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George J. Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
> 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman

> Back to the golden marshes
> Comes summer at full tide
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html

Quite excellent.....

George J. Dance wrote:
>
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
> 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman

> Back to the golden marshes
> Comes summer at full tide
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html

Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.

The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.

🙂

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
> > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
>
> > Back to the golden marshes
> > Comes summer at full tide
> > [...]
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
> Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.

Wrong, Donkey.  He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia.

To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known.

> The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.

Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery is well-spoken for an illiterate, sub-moronic pissbum."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton

Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.

Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> 
> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> 

We've been over this before, Donkey.

"His first published book of poetry, Let Us Compare Mythologies (1956), was published by Dudek as the first book in the McGill Poetry Series the year after Cohen's graduation. The book contained poems written largely when Cohen was between the ages of 15 and 20, and Cohen dedicated the book to his late father.[11] The well-known Canadian literary critic Northrop Frye wrote a review of the book in which he gave Cohen 'restrained praise'.[11]...In 1966 Cohen also published Parasites of Heaven, a book of poems. Both Beautiful Losers and Parasites of Heaven received mixed reviews and sold few copies.[11]...And yet, despite his 'disappointing' career, and before ever publishing a song, Cohen was the subject of a 44-minute-long short documentary from the National Film Board called Ladies and Gentlemen... Mr. Leonard Cohen...It was not until 1984 that Cohen published his next book of poems, Book of Mercy, which won him the Canadian Authors Association Literary Award for Poetry." 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen#Poetry_and_novels

Try to remember it, so I don't have to explain things to you a third time.

Yes, we went through this at least once before.

Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.

As the article you quoted shows.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:25:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> > 
> > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> >
> We've been over this before, Donkey. 
> 
> "His first published book of poetry, Let Us Compare Mythologies (1956), was published by Dudek as the first book in the McGill Poetry Series the year after Cohen's graduation. The book contained poems written largely when Cohen was between the ages of 15 and 20, and Cohen dedicated the book to his late father.[11] The well-known Canadian literary critic Northrop Frye wrote a review of the book in which he gave Cohen 'restrained praise'.[11]...In 1966 Cohen also published Parasites of Heaven, a book of poems. Both Beautiful Losers and Parasites of Heaven received mixed reviews and sold few copies.[11]...And yet, despite his 'disappointing' career, and before ever publishing a song, Cohen was the subject of a 44-minute-long short documentary from the National Film Board called Ladies and Gentlemen... Mr. Leonard Cohen...It was not until 1984 that Cohen published his next book of poems, Book of Mercy, which won him the Canadian Authors Association Literary Award for Poetry." 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen#Poetry_and_novels 
> 
> Try to remember it, so I don't have to explain things to you a third time.
   "His poetry books "Spice box of Earth" and "Flowers for Hitler" were also published before his music career started...

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:42:40 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:25:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
>
> > > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> > > 
> > > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> > > 
> > We've been over this before, Donkey. 
> > 
> > "His first published book of poetry, Let Us Compare Mythologies (1956), was published by Dudek as the first book in the McGill Poetry Series the year after Cohen's graduation. The book contained poems written largely when Cohen was between the ages of 15 and 20, and Cohen dedicated the book to his late father.[11] The well-known Canadian literary critic Northrop Frye wrote a review of the book in which he gave Cohen 'restrained praise'.[11]...In 1966 Cohen also published Parasites of Heaven, a book of poems. Both Beautiful Losers and Parasites of Heaven received mixed reviews and sold few copies.[11]...And yet, despite his 'disappointing' career, and before ever publishing a song, Cohen was the subject of a 44-minute-long short documentary from the National Film Board called Ladies and Gentlemen... Mr. Leonard Cohen...It was not until 1984 that Cohen published his next book of poems, Book of Mercy, which won him the Canadian Authors Association Literary Award for Poetry." 
> > 
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen#Poetry_and_novels 
> > 
> > Try to remember it, so I don't have to explain things to you a third time.
> "His poetry books "Spice box of Earth" and "Flowers for Hitler" were also published before his music career started...

Exactly.

Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:47:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:42:40 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:25:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > 
> > > > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> > > > 
> > > > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> > > > 
> > > We've been over this before, Donkey. 
> > > 
> > > "His first published book of poetry, Let Us Compare Mythologies (1956), was published by Dudek as the first book in the McGill Poetry Series the year after Cohen's graduation. The book contained poems written largely when Cohen was between the ages of 15 and 20, and Cohen dedicated the book to his late father.[11] The well-known Canadian literary critic Northrop Frye wrote a review of the book in which he gave Cohen 'restrained praise'.[11]...In 1966 Cohen also published Parasites of Heaven, a book of poems. Both Beautiful Losers and Parasites of Heaven received mixed reviews and sold few copies.[11]...And yet, despite his 'disappointing' career, and before ever publishing a song, Cohen was the subject of a 44-minute-long short documentary from the National Film Board called Ladies and Gentlemen... Mr. Leonard Cohen...It was not until 1984 that Cohen published his next book of poems, Book of Mercy, which won him the Canadian Authors Association Literary Award for Poetry." 
> > > 
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen#Poetry_and_novels 
> > > 
> > > Try to remember it, so I don't have to explain things to you a third time. 
> > "His poetry books "Spice box of Earth" and "Flowers for Hitler" were also published before his music career started...
> Exactly. 
> 
> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.
  and a novelist

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:47:52 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:47:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:42:40 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:25:18 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:11:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> > > > > 
> > > > We've been over this before, Donkey. 
> > > > 
> > > > "His first published book of poetry, Let Us Compare Mythologies (1956), was published by Dudek as the first book in the McGill Poetry Series the year after Cohen's graduation. The book contained poems written largely when Cohen was between the ages of 15 and 20, and Cohen dedicated the book to his late father.[11] The well-known Canadian literary critic Northrop Frye wrote a review of the book in which he gave Cohen 'restrained praise'.[11]...In 1966 Cohen also published Parasites of Heaven, a book of poems. Both Beautiful Losers and Parasites of Heaven received mixed reviews and sold few copies.[11]...And yet, despite his 'disappointing' career, and before ever publishing a song, Cohen was the subject of a 44-minute-long short documentary from the National Film Board called Ladies and Gentlemen... Mr. Leonard Cohen...It was not until 1984 that Cohen published his next book of poems, Book of Mercy, which won him the Canadian Authors Association Literary Award for Poetry." 
> > > > 
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen#Poetry_and_novels 
> > > > 
> > > > Try to remember it, so I don't have to explain things to you a third time. 
> > > "His poetry books "Spice box of Earth" and "Flowers for Hitler" were also published before his music career started... 
> > Exactly. 
> > 
> > Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.
> and a novelist

Two great novels, correct:

Beautiful Losers

and

The Favorite Game.

On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
>
> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>

Indeed he was.

"In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]

> HTH and HAND.

He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

On 2022-05-31 12:58 a.m., George J. Dance wrote:
> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
>>
>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock
>> singer.
>>
>
> Indeed he was.
>
> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
>
>> HTH and HAND.
>
> He's better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

I decided to edit out "probably" - I don't think there's any doubt that
Cohen's songwriting is better known than his poetry.

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Yes, we went through this at least once before. 
> 
> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> 
> As the article you quoted shows. 

No one is disputing that he was a poet before he became a folk singer.  The point is that he became a *successful* folk singer long before he found any *success* as a poet.

As with other folk-singer-cum-poets, his success in the latter field is based entirely upon his success in the former.


Michael Pendragon
"I don't think, I am."
(Quod non Cogito, ergo sum.)
-- Will Donkey refuting René Descartes.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:58:37 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> >
> > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> >
> Indeed he was.
>
> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
>

You're cherry picking, George.  The same article notes that even 5 years later, his career as a poet was still "disappointing."

>
> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

Your having dropped the "successful" from Donkey's statement is noted.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 8:43:18 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:58:37 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> > >
> > > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> > >
> > Indeed he was.
> >
> > "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> > Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> > 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> > also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> > Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> > finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> > found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> > poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
> >
> You're cherry picking, George. The same article notes that even 5 years later, his career as a poet was still "disappointing."

Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer, so at least you know now that you're wrong.

> >
> > He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> > learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.
> Your having dropped the "successful" from Donkey's statement is noted.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:05:03 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-05-31 12:58 a.m., George J. Dance wrote: 
> > On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote: 
>
> >> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> >> 
> >> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock 
> >> singer. 
> >> 
> > 
> > Indeed he was. 
> > 
> > "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The 
> > Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its 
> > 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book 
> > also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in 
> > Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the 
> > finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver 
> > found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young 
> > poet in English Canada right now.'"[13] 
> > 
> >> HTH and HAND. 
> >
> > He's better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> > learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.
> I decided to edit out "probably" - I don't think there's any doubt that 
> Cohen's songwriting is better known than his poetry.

No argument with that.

🙂

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Yes, we went through this at least once before.
>
> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>
> As the article you quoted shows.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Now that you're no longer claiming he was a "successful poet" first, I have no problem with your otherwise inane donkeychatter.

Michael Pendragon
"I do go in for the childish name-calling."
-- Will Dockery in a rare moment of self-acknowledgement

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > George J. Dance wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog: 
> > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman 
> > 
> > > Back to the golden marshes 
> > > Comes summer at full tide 
> > > [...] 
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html 
> > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
> Wrong, Donkey. He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia. 
> 
> To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known.
> > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
> Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass. 

As George Dance corrected you, Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer and songwriter, you shit slinging little monkey.

Glad to see you later admitted that.

HTH and HAND.

> 
> 
> Michael Pendragon 
> "Will Dockery is well-spoken for an illiterate, sub-moronic pissbum." 
> -- Ahmos Zu-Bolton

This is a forgery, Ahmos Zu-Bolton never said that, you shit slinging little monkey.

🙂

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:58:37 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> >
> > Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> >
> Indeed he was.
>
> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
>
> > HTH and HAND.
>
> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

Again, you nailed it.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
> > > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
> > >
> > > > Back to the golden marshes
> > > > Comes summer at full tide
> > > > [...]
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
> > > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
> > Wrong, Donkey. He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia.
> >
> > To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known.
> > > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
> > Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass.
> As George Dance corrected you, Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer and songwriter, you shit slinging little monkey.
>

But he wasn't *successful* as a poet until 1984 -- long after his success as a folk singer.

Don't try to change your story mid-thread.  One can always scroll up and catch you in your duplicity.


Michael Pendragon
"No, there's no time limit, no explanation date, on Usenet threads."
-- Will Dockery on why he refuses to explain any of his unintelligible sentences

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:12:12 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > George J. Dance wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog: 
> > > > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman 
> > > > 
> > > > > Back to the golden marshes 
> > > > > Comes summer at full tide 
> > > > > [...] 
> > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html 
> > > > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S. 
> > > Wrong, Donkey. He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia. 
> > > 
> > > To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known. 
> > > > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen. 
> > > Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass. 
> > As George Dance corrected you, Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer and songwriter, you shit slinging little monkey. 
> >
> But he wasn't *successful* as a poet until 1984 -- long after his success as a folk singer. 

Leonard Cohen was a critical success in poetry.

Have George Dance explain it to you.

🙂

> 
> Don't try to change your story mid-thread. One can always scroll up and catch you in your duplicity. 
> 
> 
> Michael Pendragon 
> "No, there's no time limit, no explanation date, on Usenet threads." 
> -- Will Dockery on why he refuses to explain any of his unintelligible sentences

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:16:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:12:12 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
> > > > > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
> > > > >
> > > > > > Back to the golden marshes
> > > > > > Comes summer at full tide
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
> > > > > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
> > > > Wrong, Donkey. He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia.
> > > >
> > > > To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known.
> > > > > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
> > > > Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass.
> > > As George Dance corrected you, Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer and songwriter, you shit slinging little monkey.
> > >
> > But he wasn't *successful* as a poet until 1984 -- long after his success as a folk singer.
> Leonard Cohen was a critical success in poetry.
>
> Have George Dance explain it to you.

The article doesn't confirm that, Donkey.

It shows that he'd achieved *some* critical success (it's a vast improvement over a Perky, but he would still have qualified for an "obscure" categorization).


Michael Pendragon
"I would posit 13/14 as being an area where rational consent is possible, but anything younger while possible, is not advisable."
-- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering [attempting to justify Ginsberg's having had sex with 14-year old boys]

On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote: 
> > 
> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog: 
> > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman 
> 
> > Back to the golden marshes 
> > Comes summer at full tide 
> > [...] 
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
> Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S. 
> 
> The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen. 
> 
> 🙂

I'd say Robert Service, though I've nothing against Leonard Cohen.

On 2022-05-31 2:59 p.m., Karen Tellefsen wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>
>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
>>> 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
>>
>>> Back to the golden marshes
>>> Comes summer at full tide
>>> [...]
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
>> Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
>>
>> The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
>>
>> 🙂
>
> I'd say Robert Service, though I've nothing against Leonard Cohen.

Hi, Karen; I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see you still
reading the group. Service is a good candidate, and I can think of
anecdotal evidence to support him -- from all my years on the group, I
only remember one person (a poet from Australia) who didn't know of "The
Cremation of Sam McGee".

By coincidence, I was thinking of Service and Cohen last night. Service
is known for those 2 poems in /Songs of a Sourdough/ -- but while
/Songs/ brought him world fame, it didn't give him the income to live
comfortably on just his writing. He solved that by writing a novel, 'The
Trail of '98/ -- a trashy melodrama, IMO, but a big bestseller that
cemented his reputation and audience.

Cohen first tried the same path: after the success of /Spice Box/, he
tried the same gambit by writing a novel, /The Favourite Game/, a sort
of loose biography. But it sold poorly, as did its follow-up, /Beautiful
Losers/. That's when Cohen decided he needed to try something else, and
it was only then (in late '65 or early '66) that he settled on being a
singer/songwriter.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
>>
>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>>

> Indeed he was.

> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]

>> HTH and HAND.

> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha.

Karen Tellefsen wrote:

> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> George J. Dance wrote:
>> >
>> > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
>> > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
>>
>> > Back to the golden marshes
>> > Comes summer at full tide
>> > [...]
>> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
>> Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
>>
>> The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
>>
>> 🙂

> I'd say Robert Service, though I've nothing against Leonard Cohen.

Good call Ktell, Robert W. Service is an old fave of mine from my youth, up North....

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:30:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> 
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> >> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> >> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> >> > > George J. Dance wrote: 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog: 
> >> > > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman 
> >> > > 
> >> > > > Back to the golden marshes 
> >> > > > Comes summer at full tide 
> >> > > > [...] 
> >> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html 
> >> > > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S. 
> >> > Wrong, Donkey. He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia. 
> >> > 
> >> > To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known. 
> >> > > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen. 
> >> > Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass. 
> >> As George Dance corrected you, Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer and songwriter, you shit slinging little monkey. 
> >> 
> 
> > But he wasn't *successful* as a poet until 1984
> Not true, Leonard Cohen had critical success with his poetry from the very start, years before he bagan his song-writing era. 
> 
> Look it up.

I've looked it up, Donkey -- and posted the proof.

Having some good reviews and a prize does not equate to "critical success."  Poe had several good reviews and a couple of prizes, but he was not a critically successful poet during his lifetime.

Of course anyone who thinks a "Perky" is a sign of critical success must think that Cohen's minor plaudits were astounding.

Michael Pendragon
"I stink, therefore I am."
(fœtor, ergo sum.)
-- Stinky George Sulzbach stinking up a famous quotation by René Descartes.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 4:35:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, we went through this at least once before.
> >>
> >> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> >>
> >> As the article you quoted shows.
>
> > No one is disputing that he was a poet before he became a folk singer
> Okay, you seemed to be saying that, Pendragon.

You need to work on your reading comprehension, Donkey.

Michael Pendragon
"I know an obsessed teollisuuden Wien I see one."
-- Will Dockery, dry drunk.

Stop lying, Pendragon.

You tried to say Leonard Cohen was a a folk singer, not a poet.

You were corrected.

HTH and HAND.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:55:28 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
>> > > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
>> > >
>> > > > Back to the golden marshes
>> > > > Comes summer at full tide
>> > > > [...]
>> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
>> > > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
>> > Wrong, Donkey. He's somewhat obscure in Shitholeville, Georgia.
>> >
>> > To those of us with a 5th grade education, or higher, he's extremely well known.
>> > > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
>> > Cohen was a folk singer, you jackass.
>> As George Dance corrected you, Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a singer and songwriter, you shit slinging little monkey.
>>

> But he wasn't *successful* as a poet until 1984

Not true, Leonard Cohen had critical success with his poetry from the very start, years before he bagan his song-writing era.

Look it up.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 10:25:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Stop lying, Pendragon. 
> 
> You tried to say Leonard Cohen was a a folk singer, not a poet. 
> 
> You were corrected. 
> 
> HTH and HAND.

Let's scroll up and see:

WILL DONKEY: Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.

MMP: We've been over this before, Donkey.

"His first published book of poetry, Let Us Compare Mythologies (1956), was published by Dudek as the first book in the McGill Poetry Series the year after Cohen's graduation. The book contained poems written largely when Cohen was between the ages of 15 and 20, and Cohen dedicated the book to his late father.[11] The well-known Canadian literary critic Northrop Frye wrote a review of the book in which he gave Cohen 'restrained praise'.[11]...In 1966 Cohen also published Parasites of Heaven, a book of poems. Both Beautiful Losers and Parasites of Heaven received mixed reviews and sold few copies.[11]...And yet, despite his 'disappointing' career, and before ever publishing a song, Cohen was the subject of a 44-minute-long short documentary from the National Film Board called Ladies and Gentlemen... Mr. Leonard Cohen...It was not until 1984 that Cohen published his next book of poems, Book of Mercy, which won him the Canadian Authors Association Literary Award for Poetry."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Cohen#Poetry_and_novels

Try to remember it, so I don't have to explain things to you a third time.

[END QUOTE]

See how easy it is to set the record straight?  All it takes is some irrefutable evidence.

Michael Pendragon
" [Will Dockery] has admitted that before and he's done so with many others here.  Their writings, performances and appearances began to get his adverse review once they opined that his poetry was unspeakable shit."
-- Rafael Corazon

So we agree, then, that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.

🙂

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Yes, we went through this at least once before.
>>
>> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>>
>> As the article you quoted shows.

> No one is disputing that he was a poet before he became a folk singer

Okay, you seemed to be saying that, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-05-31 2:59 p.m., Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog:
>>>> 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman
>>>
>>>> Back to the golden marshes
>>>> Comes summer at full tide
>>>> [...]
>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html
>>> Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S.
>>>
>>> The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen.
>>>
>>> 🙂
>>
>> I'd say Robert Service, though I've nothing against Leonard Cohen.

> Hi, Karen; I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see you still
> reading the group. Service is a good candidate, and I can think of
> anecdotal evidence to support him -- from all my years on the group, I
> only remember one person (a poet from Australia) who didn't know of "The
> Cremation of Sam McGee".

> By coincidence, I was thinking of Service and Cohen last night. Service
> is known for those 2 poems in /Songs of a Sourdough/ -- but while
> /Songs/ brought him world fame, it didn't give him the income to live
> comfortably on just his writing. He solved that by writing a novel, 'The
> Trail of '98/ -- a trashy melodrama, IMO, but a big bestseller that
> cemented his reputation and audience.

> Cohen first tried the same path: after the success of /Spice Box/, he
> tried the same gambit by writing a novel, /The Favourite Game/, a sort
> of loose biography. But it sold poorly, as did its follow-up, /Beautiful
> Losers/. That's when Cohen decided he needed to try something else, and
> it was only then (in late '65 or early '66) that he settled on being a
> singer/songwriter.



Of interest... I have never read "The Trail of '98"....

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > George J. Dance wrote:
>
> >> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> >>>
> >>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> >>>
>
> >> Indeed he was.
>
> >> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> >> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> >> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> >> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> >> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> >> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> >> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> >> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
>
> >>> HTH and HAND.
>
> >> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> >> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.
>
> > Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha.
> Pendragon finally seems to have stopped playing stupid and has accepted that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.

Learn to read, Donkey.

What I said was that he was a successful folksinger/songwriter who parlayed his singing fame into a career as a "poet."

I'm sure that you take heart in knowing that a songwriter can be considered (by some) to be a poet, but you're no Leonard Cohen.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:40:16 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, we went through this at least once before.
> >>
> >> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> >>
> >> As the article you quoted shows.
>
> > No one is disputing that he was a poet before he became a folk singer
> Leonard Cohen was a poet before and after he also turned to singing and songwriting.
>
> Glad you agree, Pendragon.

See above, Donkey.

As always your stubbornness is wearisome.

Last jackass standing.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:25:22 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > >> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> > >>>
> > >>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> > >>>
> >
> > >> Indeed he was.
> >
> > >> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> > >> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> > >> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> > >> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> > >> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> > >> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> > >> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> > >> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
> >
> > >>> HTH and HAND.
> >
> > >> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> > >> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.
> >
> > > Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha.
> > Pendragon finally seems to have stopped playing stupid and has accepted that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.
>
>
> What I said was that he was a successful folksinger/songwriter who parlayed his singing fame into a career as a "poet."

You have it backwards, then.

Leonard Cohen was a poet long before he was a singer.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:25:22 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > >> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> > > >>>
> > >
> > > >> Indeed he was.
> > >
> > > >> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> > > >> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> > > >> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> > > >> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> > > >> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> > > >> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> > > >> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> > > >> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
> > >
> > > >>> HTH and HAND.
> > >
> > > >> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> > > >> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.
> > >
> > > > Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha.
> > > Pendragon finally seems to have stopped playing stupid and has accepted that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.
> >
> >
> > What I said was that he was a successful folksinger/songwriter who parlayed his singing fame into a career as a "poet."
> You have it backwards, then.
>
> Leonard Cohen was a poet long before he was a singer.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Potato.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
>>
>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>>

> Indeed he was.

> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]

>> HTH and HAND.

> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

Even Pendragon should have known that by now.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:25:22 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > Zod wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > George J. Dance wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > >> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > >> 
> > > > >>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon. 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> > > > >>> 
> > > > 
> > > > >> Indeed he was. 
> > > > 
> > > > >> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The 
> > > > >> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its 
> > > > >> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book 
> > > > >> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in 
> > > > >> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the 
> > > > >> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver 
> > > > >> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young 
> > > > >> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13] 
> > > > 
> > > > >>> HTH and HAND. 
> > > > 
> > > > >> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's 
> > > > >> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first. 
> > > > 
> > > > > Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha. 
> > > > Pendragon finally seems to have stopped playing stupid and has accepted that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > What I said was that he was a successful folksinger/songwriter who parlayed his singing fame into a career as a "poet." 
> > You have it backwards, then. 
> > 
> > Leonard Cohen was a poet long before he was a singer. 
> > 
> > HTH and HAND.
> Potato.

You don't have to admit I'm right, Pendragon.

Just stop playing stupid.

🙂

Zod wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:

>> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
>>>
>>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>>>

>> Indeed he was.

>> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
>> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
>> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
>> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
>> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
>> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
>> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
>> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]

>>> HTH and HAND.

>> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
>> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.

> Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha.

Pendragon finally seems to have stopped playing stupid and has accepted that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.

HTH and HAND.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Yes, we went through this at least once before.
>>
>> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
>>
>> As the article you quoted shows.

> No one is disputing that he was a poet before he became a folk singer

Leonard Cohen was a poet before and after he also turned to singing and songwriting.

Glad you agree, Pendragon.

🙂

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:59:56 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:53:16 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:51:01 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:25:22 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 11:30:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Zod wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> On 2022-05-30 10:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> Your ignorance is showing again, Pendragon.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Leonard Cohen was a successful poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Indeed he was.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> "In 1961, McClelland & Stewart published Cohen's 2nd collection, The
> > > > > >> Spice-Box of Earth (1961), which received rave reviews and sold out its
> > > > > >> 1st printing. The book made him a public figure in Canada.[12] The book
> > > > > >> also helped Cohen gain critical recognition as an important new voice in
> > > > > >> Canadian poetry. Cohen biographer Ira Nadel stated that "reaction to the
> > > > > >> finished book was enthusiastic and admiring.... The critic Robert Weaver
> > > > > >> found it powerful and declared that Cohen was 'probably the best young
> > > > > >> poet in English Canada right now.'"[13]
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> HTH and HAND.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> He's probably better known as a singer/songwriter, but anyone who's
> > > > > >> learned anything about Cohen knows that he was a poet first.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now try and get that across to the stupid V.D. Boy, the ignorant poetry bigot... ha ha.
> > > > > Pendragon finally seems to have stopped playing stupid and has accepted that Leonard Cohen was a poet years before becoming a singer-songwriter.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What I said was that he was a successful folksinger/songwriter who parlayed his singing fame into a career as a "poet."
> > > You have it backwards, then.
> > >
> > > Leonard Cohen was a poet long before he was a singer.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > Potato.
> You don't have to admit I'm right, Pendragon.
>
> Just stop playing stupid.

*yawn*



Michael Pendragon
"... it was written in a real boilerplate time of my life."
-- Will Dockery, on the lack of unoriginality of his youthful literary endeavors.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 2:59:16 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:35:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Today's poem on Penny's Poetry blog: 
> > > 'Tis May Now in New England, by Bliss Carman 
> > 
> > > Back to the golden marshes 
> > > Comes summer at full tide 
> > > [...] 
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/05/tis-may-now-in-new-england-bliss-carman.html 
> > Perhaps we'll known in Canada, Bliss Carman is definitely somewhat obscure here in the U.S. 
> > 
> > The most famous Canadian poet here would have to be Leonard Cohen. 
> > 
> > 🙂
> I'd say Robert Service, though I've nothing against Leonard Cohen.

Good morning, Karen, good to see you.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:20:16 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > 
> >> Yes, we went through this at least once before. 
> >> 
> >> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer. 
> >> 
> >> As the article you quoted shows. 
> >>
> >> HTH and HAND. 
> 
> > Now that you're no longer claiming he was a "successful poet" first 
> 
> Leonard Cohen was well received by poetry readers and critics, which was a success.

Like I said, it was several steps up from the Perky.

However, as George Dance has stated, because Cohen found little success as a poet, he attempted to write some novels (another failure), then turned to folk music.  The folk music made him famous and he used his success as a singer-songwriter to advance his career as a poet.

Or are you going to disagree with George on this as well?

Michael Pendragon
"Since Zod has lived in his own tent (a piece of discarded tarp hung over a tree branch) for a couple of years now, technically he isn't homeless."
-- Will Dockery, on the many uses of discarded tarp.

I'm very familiar with the life and work of Leonard Cohen.

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:36:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I'm very familiar with the life and work of Leonard Cohen.

What do you want... a cookie?


Michael Pendrgon
"I do have a poem that appeared in my first chapbook, summer 1983, that blew it all out of the water, as the poem describes me 'going down' on a girl I knew while we were riding to work one morning, and I used the word for vagina that starts with a 'p' in the poem, one line in the poem states that I ate it as she drove... my wife of course read it. We split up for months, but I just now had it dawn on me that it might have been this poem, 'Jo Cairo', depicting an event that did not happen with us, as almost always it was me getting the head, since most of the time I was driving.... My first son, Clay, was only five years old in 1983, but of course he would soon read my poetry book, and wonder 'Did dad eat a cat?'" 

From "Will Dockery: The Atlanta Years -- (1980/1983)."

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 1:30:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Now that it's been established that Leonard Cohen was a poet as well as a folk singer, I'm happy to have set the record straight.
>

He was a folk singer who published poetry.  That doesn't make him a poet.

When people speak of Leonard Cohen, they say "Leonard Cohen the folk singer."  They don't say "Leonard Cohen the poet."

Bob Dylan, Jim Morrison and others have published poetry -- but they will always remain musicians.



Michael Pendragon
"I can from this make an educated guess that you are not Adolf Hitler."
-- Ilya Shambat

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 10:39:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Yes, we went through this at least once before.
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>> Leonard Cohen was a poet years before he became a Folk Rock singer.
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>> As the article you quoted shows.
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>> HTH and HAND.

> Now that you're no longer claiming he was a "successful poet" first

Leonard Cohen was well received by poetry readers and critics, which was a success.

Now that it's been established that Leonard Cohen was a poet as well as a folk singer, I'm happy to have set the record straight.

HTH and HAND.