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saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote:


>Did anyone besides me see or hear about this article in the Boston Globe's
>Sports Section. Dan Shaughness was extending his anti-Cowboy's rant to include
>the city of Dallas, all of Texas, and the PEOPLE of Texas.  Sheesh! It is
>common for those who don't understand something or are jealous of something to
>"lash out" at it in desperation.  This guy's article was a prime example.  He
>ran out of anti-Cowboy ammo so he just decided to take a shot at the good
>people of Texas.  It amazes me that people up North are still so ignorant of
>Texas. Do they not have the money to travel?  Are they snowed in?  I've lived
>all over the U.S. (and in two other countries).  Believe me folks, I've seen
>more examples of "White Trash" in housing projects in New England or on the
>street in New York than I'll ever see in Dallas.   They seem to think that
>Dallas is some little ghost town in the wild West and all the people are
>hillbilly inbreds.  To paraphrase the words of The Hammer from the Ticket
>1310.  "We should fly him down here and take him out to North Main Barbeque
>and then swing on over to Club Legends for a little deviltry".  I'm sure it
>would change his little mind.  Hell, if it's in March he could probably wear
>shorts while his fellow New Englanders are still building snowmen.
>Shaughnessy states "Dallas folks are damn proud of this blue-chip football
>team.  And who can blame 'em?  In their shallow, prairie wasteland, the
>Cowboys serve as a substitute for culture and intelligent thought".  Well
>Danny boy, I'll take my "shallow prairie wasteland" along with the most
>beautiful girls in the world!  You take your snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen
>attitude along with your dog-faced Women who would look like pale, bloated
>whale sub-species if they were to ever try and wear a bikini!   Anyway...whew,
> that article just pushed the wrong buttons for me.  If you wanna check it out
>go to http://www.boston.com/globe and follow the Sports links..... Go Cowboys!

I also found it ironic that three days after his little rant ran in
the Globe, there's an article entitled "Dallas fans deliver a gift of
love - a van - for Roy" talking about the $40,000 raised at Star's
games for the injured BU hockey player Travis Roy. I've never read any
of Shaughnessy's stuff before this, but he reminds me of the shrill
and annoying Skip Bayless we had here in Dallas for too many years.  I
guess covering the Pats will do that to you.

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In article <terino-2301961005300001@vanadium.icd.teradyne.com>,
terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) wrote:

: > saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote:
: >
: >
: > >Did anyone besides me see or hear about this article in the Boston
Globe's
: > >Sports Section. Dan Shaughness was extending his anti-Cowboy's rant to
: include

[snip snip ... a lot of accurate stuff]

: Hey!  I live in Boston and I'm a cowboy fan.  Do you have to group me in
: with the "snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen attitudes?"
:
: Seriously though, I can't blame you for those remarks since the Globe
: article certainly didn't show any respect for you.  I've gotten into
: numerous arguements with people around here over that article.  A lot of
: them absolutely loved it.  Basically people (not just in New England) are
: sick of the cowboys.  I thought the article was a prime example of how
: insanely jealous most people are of the cowboys.  What else would make a
: professional journalist completely slander and stereotype an entire
region
: of people?  It's only a game... isn't it?
:
: Anyway, please don't make the same mistake that Dan did by slandering and
: stereotyping all of New England.

This Globe article went beyond Dallas, the Cowboys and NFL Football.  Dan
Shaughnessy, the man with no chin, dislikes anything that's not from Boston
and is not related to ML baseball.  He refers to most cities outside of
Boston as "yahoo" towns.  If you look up the definition of "homer" in your
Webster, you'll no doubt see a picture of this dolt along with these simple
words, "Shaughnessy, Dan".  He is, without a doubt, the most parochial
minded sportswriter I have ever read.  His columns have no real sport
content, but are usually just his forum for cynicism and sarcasm.  The
world would not miss this guy.

Other than that, I have no opinion.  :)

A Bear fan in New England.

--
Rich

In article <DLLCs8.9no@iex.iex.com>, stahl@iex.com (Kevin Stahl) wrote:

> I also found it ironic that three days after his little rant ran in
> the Globe, there's an article entitled "Dallas fans deliver a gift of
> love - a van - for Roy" talking about the $40,000 raised at Star's
> games for the injured BU hockey player Travis Roy. I've never read any
> of Shaughnessy's stuff before this, but he reminds me of the shrill
> and annoying Skip Bayless we had here in Dallas for too many years.  I
> guess covering the Pats will do that to you.

I heard this too...Dan Shaughnessy is your typical, cynical, arrogant, know-
it-all sports writer, excuse me, COLUMNIST/prick. He is also very provincial,
very old-age New Englandish-afraid of change. He IS a good writer...but still
a serious prick, IMO.

> saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) wrote:
>
>
> >Did anyone besides me see or hear about this article in the Boston Globe's
> >Sports Section. Dan Shaughness was extending his anti-Cowboy's rant to
include
> >the city of Dallas, all of Texas, and the PEOPLE of Texas.  Sheesh! It is
> >common for those who don't understand something or are jealous of
something to
> >"lash out" at it in desperation.  This guy's article was a prime
example.  He
> >ran out of anti-Cowboy ammo so he just decided to take a shot at the good
> >people of Texas.  It amazes me that people up North are still so ignorant of
> >Texas. Do they not have the money to travel?  Are they snowed in?  I've
lived
> >all over the U.S. (and in two other countries).  Believe me folks, I've seen
> >more examples of "White Trash" in housing projects in New England or on the
> >street in New York than I'll ever see in Dallas.   They seem to think that
> >Dallas is some little ghost town in the wild West and all the people are
> >hillbilly inbreds.  To paraphrase the words of The Hammer from the Ticket
> >1310.  "We should fly him down here and take him out to North Main Barbeque
> >and then swing on over to Club Legends for a little deviltry".  I'm sure it
> >would change his little mind.  Hell, if it's in March he could probably wear
> >shorts while his fellow New Englanders are still building snowmen.
> >Shaughnessy states "Dallas folks are damn proud of this blue-chip football
> >team.  And who can blame 'em?  In their shallow, prairie wasteland, the
> >Cowboys serve as a substitute for culture and intelligent thought".  Well
> >Danny boy, I'll take my "shallow prairie wasteland" along with the most
> >beautiful girls in the world!  You take your snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen
> >attitude along with your dog-faced Women who would look like pale, bloated
> >whale sub-species if they were to ever try and wear a bikini!
Anyway...whew,
> > that article just pushed the wrong buttons for me.  If you wanna check
it out
> >go to http://www.boston.com/globe and follow the Sports links..... Go
Cowboys!

Hey!  I live in Boston and I'm a cowboy fan.  Do you have to group me in
with the "snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen attitudes?"

Seriously though, I can't blame you for those remarks since the Globe
article certainly didn't show any respect for you.  I've gotten into
numerous arguements with people around here over that article.  A lot of
them absolutely loved it.  Basically people (not just in New England) are
sick of the cowboys.  I thought the article was a prime example of how
insanely jealous most people are of the cowboys.  What else would make a
professional journalist completely slander and stereotype an entire region
of people?  It's only a game... isn't it?

Anyway, please don't make the same mistake that Dan did by slandering and
stereotyping all of New England.

Reno

In <terino-2301961005300001@vanadium.icd.teradyne.com>
terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) writes:
 Basically people (not just in New England) are
>sick of the cowboys.  I thought the article was a prime example of how
>insanely jealous most people are of the cowboys.  What else would make
>a professional journalist completely slander and stereotype an entire
>region of people?  It's only a game... isn't it?

Hating the Cowboys gives people a chance to get excited about football
long after their team is out of it.  It's almost like a reprieve.  Who
could pass that up?

In article <4dp8s4$50q@news.onramp.net>, saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock) writes:
|>
|>Did anyone besides me see or hear about this article in the Boston Globe's
|>Sports Section. Dan Shaughness was extending his anti-Cowboy's rant to include
|>the city of Dallas, all of Texas, and the PEOPLE of Texas.  Sheesh! It is
|>common for those who don't understand something or are jealous of something to
|>"lash out" at it in desperation.  This guy's article was a prime example.  He
|>ran out of anti-Cowboy ammo so he just decided to take a shot at the good
|>people of Texas.  It amazes me that people up North are still so ignorant of
|>Texas. Do they not have the money to travel?  Are they snowed in?  I've lived
|>all over the U.S. (and in two other countries).  Believe me folks, I've seen
|>more examples of "White Trash" in housing projects in New England or on the
|>street in New York than I'll ever see in Dallas.   They seem to think that
|>Dallas is some little ghost town in the wild West and all the people are
|>hillbilly inbreds.  To paraphrase the words of The Hammer from the Ticket
|>1310.  "We should fly him down here and take him out to North Main Barbeque
|>and then swing on over to Club Legends for a little deviltry".  I'm sure it
|>would change his little mind.  Hell, if it's in March he could probably wear
|>shorts while his fellow New Englanders are still building snowmen.
|>Shaughnessy states "Dallas folks are damn proud of this blue-chip football
|>team.  And who can blame 'em?  In their shallow, prairie wasteland, the
|>Cowboys serve as a substitute for culture and intelligent thought".  Well
|>Danny boy, I'll take my "shallow prairie wasteland" along with the most
|>beautiful girls in the world!  You take your snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen
|>attitude along with your dog-faced Women who would look like pale, bloated
|>whale sub-species if they were to ever try and wear a bikini!   Anyway...whew,
|> that article just pushed the wrong buttons for me.  If you wanna check it out
|>go to http://www.boston.com/globe and follow the Sports links..... Go Cowboys!
|>

Please don't judge all New Englanders by Dan Shaughnessy, it makes you no
better than him.  I've lived here all my life, and consider him a pompous
fool.

I may not like the 'boys, but I've got nothing against the folks of Texas.

and thanks for the Globe URL, I was not aware of it ...

Tom

In <terino-2301961005300001@vanadium.icd.teradyne.com> terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) writes:



>Hey!  I live in Boston and I'm a cowboy fan.  Do you have to group me in
>with the "snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen attitudes?"

>Seriously though, I can't blame you for those remarks since the Globe
>article certainly didn't show any respect for you.  I've gotten into
>numerous arguements with people around here over that article.  A lot of
>them absolutely loved it.  Basically people (not just in New England) are
>sick of the cowboys.  I thought the article was a prime example of how
>insanely jealous most people are of the cowboys.  What else would make a
>professional journalist completely slander and stereotype an entire region
>of people?  It's only a game... isn't it?


You don't understand.  Most people are not jealous of the cowboys.
Most people are jealous of the Chicago Bulls, for example.  They
have an incredibly great team that we wish we had, with superstar
players that we would be happy to see our kids call roll models.
We don't even turn the channel when their commercials come on.
We are not jealous of the cowboys.  We would not trade our teams'
losing seasons or shortened post-seasons to bring the cowboys to
our home states.  We value our integrity.

Being jealous of the cowboys would be like being jealous of the
kid who got to stay home from school because he caught the plague.

rfd@tiac.net (Rich D'Angelo) wrote:

>This Globe article went beyond Dallas, the Cowboys and NFL Football.  Dan
>Shaughnessy, the man with no chin, dislikes anything that's not from Boston
>and is not related to ML baseball.  He refers to most cities outside of

A Red Sox disciple... no *WONDER* he's bitter. ;-)

>Boston as "yahoo" towns.  If you look up the definition of "homer" in your
>Webster, you'll no doubt see a picture of this dolt along with these simple
>words, "Shaughnessy, Dan".  He is, without a doubt, the most parochial
>minded sportswriter I have ever read.  His columns have no real sport
>content, but are usually just his forum for cynicism and sarcasm.  The
>world would not miss this guy.

>Other than that, I have no opinion.  :)

>A Bear fan in New England.

>--
>Rich



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In article <4e2vta$efp@cloner2.ix.netcom.com>,
   kizeer@ix.netcom.com (John Kinnear) wrote:
>In <terino-2301961005300001@vanadium.icd.teradyne.com>
>terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) writes:
> Basically people (not just in New England) are
>>sick of the cowboys.  I thought the article was a prime example of how
>>insanely jealous most people are of the cowboys.  What else would make
>>a professional journalist completely slander and stereotype an entire
>>region of people?  It's only a game... isn't it?
>
>Hating the Cowboys gives people a chance to get excited about football
>long after their team is out of it.  It's almost like a reprieve.  Who
>could pass that up?
>

     Another prime example of how the Cowboy organization is a positive
factor in making the NFL the best that it can be!  ;)

                                                           GO COWBOYS SBXXX!!!
                                                            NFC CHAMPIONS!!!!

In article <4e68ub$cnr@epx.cis.umn.edu>, klinge@epx.cis.umn.edu says...
>We are not jealous of the cowboys.  We would not trade our teams'
>losing seasons or shortened post-seasons to bring the cowboys to
>our home states.

Bull, sir, and nothing more.  If whatever team you root for were to make it
to the Super Bowl, you wouldn't give a rat's ass if they cursed on national
TV, or made commercials, or wore jewelry.  Don't try to tell me differently.
If your team were as successful as the Cowboys, you would not sweat the
flash and dash.

Daniel Welch
--
Modern liberalism suffers unresolved contradictions.  It exalts individualism
and freedom, and, on its radical wing, condemns social orders as oppressive.
On the other hand, it expects government to provide materially for all, a
feat manageable only by a expansion of authority and a swollen bureaucracy.
        -- Camille Paglia, "Sexual Personae"

As a Cowboy fan (somewhat) I liked the old  Cowboys who didn't showowboat so much.  However, they
are winners and if a bunch of yankees in Boston can't field a FOOTBALL team ( we dnon't count the
Patriots) then quit YOUR whining!  Even the Houston Rockets from TEXAS showed everyone two years
in a row what sports was all about.  Snotty and classless NEWSPAPER guys are a bouunch of overpaid
fatasses who pontificate on any given subject that pops into theirr small little minds.

As a Cowboy fan (somewhat) I liked the old  Cowboys who didn't showowboat so much.  However, they
are winners and if a bunch of yankees in Boston can't field a FOOTBALL team ( we dnon't count the
Patriots) then quit YOUR whining!  Even the Houston Rockets from TEXAS showed everyone two years
in a row what sports was all about.  Snotty and classless NEWSPAPER guys are a bouunch of overpaid
fatasses who pontificate on any given subject that pops into theirr small little minds.

Eric Wheelock (saxon@onramp.net) wrote:

: Did anyone besides me see or hear about this article in the Boston Globe's
: Sports Section. Dan Shaughness was extending his anti-Cowboy's rant to include
: the city of Dallas, all of Texas, and the PEOPLE of Texas.  Sheesh! It is
: common for those who don't understand something or are jealous of something to
: "lash out" at it in desperation.  This guy's article was a prime example.  He
: ran out of anti-Cowboy ammo so he just decided to take a shot at the good

Is that possible?

: people of Texas.  It amazes me that people up North are still so ignorant of
: Texas. Do they not have the money to travel?  Are they snowed in?  I've lived
: all over the U.S. (and in two other countries).  Believe me folks, I've seen
: more examples of "White Trash" in housing projects in New England or on the
: street in New York than I'll ever see in Dallas.   They seem to think that

You must live in the Richland area...

: Dallas is some little ghost town in the wild West and all the people are
: hillbilly inbreds.  To paraphrase the words of The Hammer from the Ticket
: 1310.  "We should fly him down here and take him out to North Main Barbeque
: and then swing on over to Club Legends for a little deviltry".  I'm sure it
: would change his little mind.  Hell, if it's in March he could probably wear
: shorts while his fellow New Englanders are still building snowmen.

Wear shorts, hunh? YOU haven't been to west Texas in March.

(Oh, for the record, 5 years in Texas, one year college ball at TTU)

Mike

In article <4e6rdo$2nd@news.microsoft.com>, danwel@microsoft.com (Daniel
Welch) wrote:

> In article <4e68ub$cnr@epx.cis.umn.edu>, klinge@epx.cis.umn.edu says...
> >We are not jealous of the cowboys.  We would not trade our teams'
> >losing seasons or shortened post-seasons to bring the cowboys to
> >our home states.
>
> Bull, sir, and nothing more.  If whatever team you root for were to make it
> to the Super Bowl, you wouldn't give a rat's ass if they cursed on national
> TV, or made commercials, or wore jewelry.  Don't try to tell me differently.
> If your team were as successful as the Cowboys, you would not sweat the
> flash and dash.
>
> Daniel Welch
> --
> Modern liberalism suffers unresolved contradictions.  It exalts individualism
> and freedom, and, on its radical wing, condemns social orders as oppressive.
> On the other hand, it expects government to provide materially for all, a
> feat manageable only by a expansion of authority and a swollen bureaucracy.
>         -- Camille Paglia, "Sexual Personae"

I agree with you, Daniel.  A lot of people around here like to point out
that none of the Patriot's players show-boat or get cocky.  I think that's
because they have nothing to get cocky about.  If they had back-to-back
Super Bowl seasons and 15 probowlers, they'd do the same thing.  Not only
that, but the Patriot's fans would love it.  Of course, they deny this-
but they would LOVE it.  The point is that if the Patriots were as
successful as the Cowboys, their players and fans would be doing the same
thing.

If you really look, you'd see show-boating on every successful team. The
fact that the cowboys are on national TV every weekend just makes their
show-boating more visible.

Reno

>
>Please don't judge all New Englanders by Dan Shaughnessy, it makes you no
>better than him.  I've lived here all my life, and consider him a pompous
>fool.
>
>I may not like the 'boys, but I've got nothing against the folks of
Texas.
>
>and thanks for the Globe URL, I was not aware of it ...
>
>Tom
>


Your exactly right.  My apologies.  It just "tanned my hide"  :)
*Usenet rule #1 - Take ten deep breaths...then post.
Anyway....Go Cowboys!

Who gives a rat's ass.

James Klinge (klinge@epx.cis.umn.edu) wrote:
: In <terino-2301961005300001@vanadium.icd.teradyne.com> terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) writes:



: >Hey!  I live in Boston and I'm a cowboy fan.  Do you have to group me in
: >with the "snooty, Yankee, Liberal frozen attitudes?"

: >Seriously though, I can't blame you for those remarks since the Globe
: >article certainly didn't show any respect for you.  I've gotten into
: >numerous arguements with people around here over that article.  A lot of
: >them absolutely loved it.  Basically people (not just in New England) are
: >sick of the cowboys.  I thought the article was a prime example of how
: >insanely jealous most people are of the cowboys.  What else would make a
: >professional journalist completely slander and stereotype an entire region
: >of people?  It's only a game... isn't it?


: You don't understand.  Most people are not jealous of the cowboys.
: Most people are jealous of the Chicago Bulls, for example.  They
: have an incredibly great team that we wish we had, with superstar
: players that we would be happy to see our kids call roll models.
: We don't even turn the channel when their commercials come on.
: We are not jealous of the cowboys.  We would not trade our teams'
: losing seasons or shortened post-seasons to bring the cowboys to
: our home states.  We value our integrity.

: Being jealous of the cowboys would be like being jealous of the
: kid who got to stay home from school because he caught the plague.

--
Isn't it intreging how other NFL teams circle the Cowboy free agents like
vultures?  I wonder why?  As for role models, any kid who looks to
sports stars for role models is looking in the wrong place to begin with.
Are kids supposed to admire someone because they can play a sport better
than others?

Gary

In article <4dp8s4$50q@news.onramp.net>, saxon@onramp.net (Eric Wheelock)
writes:
|>
|> Did anyone besides me see or hear about this article in the Boston
|> Globe's
|> Sports Section. Dan Shaughness was extending his anti-Cowboy's rant to
|> include
|> the city of Dallas, all of Texas, and the PEOPLE of Texas.  Sheesh!

As soon as I saw the title of this thread (and the traffic)
I knew that Shaughnessy was at it again.  I missed the
column, but this is a very common tactic of his and
the vehement reactions show how successful it is.

When the Red Sox were in the playoffs against the Indians
he did a "Why Boston's a better city than Cleveland" column
similarly belittling Cleveland, their fans, their teams,
the midwest, you name it.  Everyone from Cleveland goes berzerk.

It's a formula.  He uses it all the time.  It gets people
to read his column.  Deal with it, then get over it.
He's not the only one.  It won't be the last time.

If you don't have the self-assurance to laugh at such
attacks, maybe it's because there's more truth in them
than you'd like to admit.

Oh, by the way, if it's escaped your attention,
the reason we hate the Cowboys is that they win.
That's why there were Celtics-haters and Yankee-haters.
It goes with success.  If you don't like it,
go back to being 1-15 and we can all be happy.

Jack

Celtic fan
Yankee hater
Cowboy hater

In article <4emgl3$21u@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>
pbreen@cs.newcastle.edu.au (Pat Breen) writes:

> If the showboaters
> acted more like Aikman rather than Irvin, most people would probably think
> of the Cowboys as talented rivals rather than talented assholes.


Well said.

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Reno (terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com) wrote:
: I agree with you, Daniel.  A lot of people around here like to point out
: that none of the Patriot's players show-boat or get cocky.  I think that's
: because they have nothing to get cocky about.  If they had back-to-back
: Super Bowl seasons and 15 probowlers, they'd do the same thing.  Not only
: that, but the Patriot's fans would love it.  Of course, they deny this-
: but they would LOVE it.  The point is that if the Patriots were as
: successful as the Cowboys, their players and fans would be doing the same
: thing.
:
: If you really look, you'd see show-boating on every successful team. The
: fact that the cowboys are on national TV every weekend just makes their
: show-boating more visible.

While I dont mind a _little_ showboating, Im afraid I would have to disagree
with you.  The Niners had plenty to boast about last year, and with the
exception of Deion, they certainly didnt act like the cowboys did this year.
Ignoring the fact that Im a redskins fan, i find it really easy to hate
the cowboys with players like Deion and Irvin (two exceptionally bad
showboaters) in their squad.  Not that they arent talented, but after
this season I was truly shocked when Irvin decided not to dance after
_every_ play he made in the superbowl, which he seemed to do in regular
season games.  I would rather have class and history behind me, than
arrogance and stupidity + an extra superbowl or two.  If the showboaters
acted more like Aikman rather than Irvin, most people would probably think
of the Cowboys as talented rivals rather than talented assholes.


Pat
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mh46 <mh46@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>As a Cowboy fan (somewhat) I liked the old  Cowboys who didn't showowboat so much.  However, they
>are winners and if a bunch of yankees in Boston can't field a FOOTBALL team ( we dnon't count the
>Patriots) then quit YOUR whining!  Even the Houston Rockets from TEXAS showed everyone two years
>in a row what sports was all about.  Snotty and classless NEWSPAPER guys are a bouunch of overpaid
>fatasses who pontificate on any given subject that pops into theirr small little minds.

 The person who wrote the above:
a) has no brain
b) has no spell checking software
c) all of the above

terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) wrote:

>In article <4e6rdo$2nd@news.microsoft.com>, danwel@microsoft.com (Daniel
>Welch) wrote:

>> In article <4e68ub$cnr@epx.cis.umn.edu>, klinge@epx.cis.umn.edu says...
>> >We are not jealous of the cowboys.  We would not trade our teams'
>> >losing seasons or shortened post-seasons to bring the cowboys to
>> >our home states.
>>
>> Bull, sir, and nothing more.  If whatever team you root for were to make it
>> to the Super Bowl, you wouldn't give a rat's ass if they cursed on national
>> TV, or made commercials, or wore jewelry.  Don't try to tell me differently.
>> If your team were as successful as the Cowboys, you would not sweat the
>> flash and dash.
>>
>> Daniel Welch
>> --
>> Modern liberalism suffers unresolved contradictions.  It exalts individualism
>> and freedom, and, on its radical wing, condemns social orders as oppressive.
>> On the other hand, it expects government to provide materially for all, a
>> feat manageable only by a expansion of authority and a swollen bureaucracy.
>>         -- Camille Paglia, "Sexual Personae"

>I agree with you, Daniel.  A lot of people around here like to point out
>that none of the Patriot's players show-boat or get cocky.  I think that's
>because they have nothing to get cocky about.  If they had back-to-back
>Super Bowl seasons and 15 probowlers, they'd do the same thing.  Not only
>that, but the Patriot's fans would love it.  Of course, they deny this-
>but they would LOVE it.  The point is that if the Patriots were as
>successful as the Cowboys, their players and fans would be doing the same
>thing.

>If you really look, you'd see show-boating on every successful team. The
>fact that the cowboys are on national TV every weekend just makes their
>show-boating more visible.

>Reno


Wrong, the Big Tuna would smack them silly if they did.

In article <4emgl3$21u@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
pbreen@cs.newcastle.edu.au (Pat Breen) wrote:

> Reno (terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com) wrote:
> : I agree with you, Daniel.  A lot of people around here like to point out
> : that none of the Patriot's players show-boat or get cocky.  I think that's
> : because they have nothing to get cocky about.  If they had back-to-back
> : Super Bowl seasons and 15 probowlers, they'd do the same thing.  Not only
> : that, but the Patriot's fans would love it.  Of course, they deny this-
> : but they would LOVE it.  The point is that if the Patriots were as
> : successful as the Cowboys, their players and fans would be doing the same
> : thing.
> :
> : If you really look, you'd see show-boating on every successful team. The
> : fact that the cowboys are on national TV every weekend just makes their
> : show-boating more visible.
>
> While I dont mind a _little_ showboating, Im afraid I would have to disagree
> with you.  The Niners had plenty to boast about last year, and with the
> exception of Deion, they certainly didnt act like the cowboys did this year.
> Ignoring the fact that Im a redskins fan, i find it really easy to hate
> the cowboys with players like Deion and Irvin (two exceptionally bad
> showboaters) in their squad.  Not that they arent talented, but after
> this season I was truly shocked when Irvin decided not to dance after
> _every_ play he made in the superbowl, which he seemed to do in regular
> season games.  I would rather have class and history behind me, than
> arrogance and stupidity + an extra superbowl or two.  If the showboaters
> acted more like Aikman rather than Irvin, most people would probably think
> of the Cowboys as talented rivals rather than talented assholes.
>
>
> Pat
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Pat,

I disagree that the Niners don't showboat.  Yes, they had Deion last
year.  They also had Ken Norton who boxes with goal posts, Merton Hanks (I
don't know what to call the dance he does with his neck), and Ricky
Watters (if you're going to knock Irvin, you have to knock Watters).  I've
also seen Brent Jones spike the ball in opponents faces a few times.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not putting down the 49ers for those things.  My
point has been that if you have a winning team with pro-bowl players, they
all are going to get cocky and showboat- and it would happen on any team.

Just out of curiosity, who else on the cowboys do you think showboats
besides Irvin and Sanders?  I know I've heard some people put Emmitt down
for taking his helmet off after he scores touchdowns.  But you also have
to admit that he hasn't once spiked a football or do a dance.  Also,
you'll notice that he almost always pats the other teams players on the
head after they tackle him- he doesn't get in anyone's face.

Here's how I see it (and I know many people disagree).  Yes, the cowboys
have Irvin and Sanders.  What can you say about these people showboating:
Jay Novacek, Kevin Williams, Leon Lett, Chad Hennings, Tony Tolbert,
Robert Jones, Dixon Edwards, Darrin Smith, Larry Brown, Brock Marion,
Darren Woodson, Charles Haley, Russell Maryland, Troy Aikman, Daryl
Johnston, Mark Tuinei, Erik Williams, Nate Newton, Derek Kennard, and
Larry Allen?  Basically, I just listed the rest of the cowboys starters
(unless I missed someone).  I don't think there are too many examples of
these guys showboating.  Do you agree?

I hope you agree, but I won't know until you respond.  But if you do
agree, then maybe the cowboys arn't a bunch of showboaters after all?  I
think that Sanders and Irvin have such loud personalities and grab so much
of the spotlight for themselves that people stereotype the entire team to
be like them.

Reno

jperry@acadia.boston.sgi.com (Jack Perry) wrote:
>
>Oh, by the way, if it's escaped your attention,
>the reason we hate the Cowboys is that they win.
>That's why there were Celtics-haters and Yankee-haters.
>It goes with success.  If you don't like it,
>go back to being 1-15 and we can all be happy.
>

No thanks, 1-15 was a little too much for most of us.  15-4 is a whole
lot more fun.  You're right though, a lot of people like to pull for an
underdog instead of a front-runner.

Mark Ponton

terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com (Reno) wrote:

[post re: other Cowboys players who don't showboat deleted]

> I hope you agree, but I won't know until you respond.  But if you do
> agree, then maybe the cowboys arn't a bunch of showboaters after all?  I
> think that Sanders and Irvin have such loud personalities and grab so much
> of the spotlight for themselves that people stereotype the entire team to
> be like them.

I think that's the point exactly.  It's not that we have the MOST
showboats, but the LOUDEST showboats, and that's what gets people's
attentions.

Raul Villaronga
raul@theboys.com
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