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In article <4emgl3$21u@seagoon.newcastle.edu.au>,
pbreen@cs.newcastle.edu.au (Pat Breen) wrote:

> Reno (terino@cesfs1.teradyne.com) wrote:
> : I agree with you, Daniel.  A lot of people around here like to point out
> : that none of the Patriot's players show-boat or get cocky.  I think that's
> : because they have nothing to get cocky about.  If they had back-to-back
> : Super Bowl seasons and 15 probowlers, they'd do the same thing.  Not only
> : that, but the Patriot's fans would love it.  Of course, they deny this-
> : but they would LOVE it.  The point is that if the Patriots were as
> : successful as the Cowboys, their players and fans would be doing the same
> : thing.
> :
> : If you really look, you'd see show-boating on every successful team. The
> : fact that the cowboys are on national TV every weekend just makes their
> : show-boating more visible.
>
> While I dont mind a _little_ showboating, Im afraid I would have to disagree
> with you.  The Niners had plenty to boast about last year, and with the
> exception of Deion, they certainly didnt act like the cowboys did this year.
> Ignoring the fact that Im a redskins fan, i find it really easy to hate
> the cowboys with players like Deion and Irvin (two exceptionally bad
> showboaters) in their squad.  Not that they arent talented, but after
> this season I was truly shocked when Irvin decided not to dance after
> _every_ play he made in the superbowl, which he seemed to do in regular
> season games.  I would rather have class and history behind me, than
> arrogance and stupidity + an extra superbowl or two.  If the showboaters
> acted more like Aikman rather than Irvin, most people would probably think
> of the Cowboys as talented rivals rather than talented assholes.
>
>
> Pat
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Pat,

I disagree that the Niners don't showboat.  Yes, they had Deion last
year.  They also had Ken Norton who boxes with goal posts, Merton Hanks (I
don't know what to call the dance he does with his neck), and Ricky
Watters (if you're going to knock Irvin, you have to knock Watters).  I've
also seen Brent Jones spike the ball in opponents faces a few times.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not putting down the 49ers for those things.  My
point has been that if you have a winning team with pro-bowl players, they
all are going to get cocky and showboat- and it would happen on any team.

Just out of curiosity, who else on the cowboys do you think showboats
besides Irvin and Sanders?  I know I've heard some people put Emmitt down
for taking his helmet off after he scores touchdowns.  But you also have
to admit that he hasn't once spiked a football or do a dance.  Also,
you'll notice that he almost always pats the other teams players on the
head after they tackle him- he doesn't get in anyone's face.

Here's how I see it (and I know many people disagree).  Yes, the cowboys
have Irvin and Sanders.  What can you say about these people showboating:
Jay Novacek, Kevin Williams, Leon Lett, Chad Hennings, Tony Tolbert,
Robert Jones, Dixon Edwards, Darrin Smith, Larry Brown, Brock Marion,
Darren Woodson, Charles Haley, Russell Maryland, Troy Aikman, Daryl
Johnston, Mark Tuinei, Erik Williams, Nate Newton, Derek Kennard, and
Larry Allen?  Basically, I just listed the rest of the cowboys starters
(unless I missed someone).  I don't think there are too many examples of
these guys showboating.  Do you agree?

I hope you agree, but I won't know until you respond.  But if you do
agree, then maybe the cowboys arn't a bunch of showboaters after all?  I
think that Sanders and Irvin have such loud personalities and grab so much
of the spotlight for themselves that people stereotype the entire team to
be like them.

Reno