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Two views of writing poetry
Author: "George J. Dance
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:42
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"Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:25
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." In reality, each is only a partial definition: The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. Poets come in both varieties. You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. Michael Pendragon "Good morning Video, keep up the great work." -- Will Dockery, a man who wants his MTV.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:44
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:44
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > Poets come in both varieties. > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > Michael Pendragon > "Good morning Victor, keep up the great work." > -- Will Dockery The above was an autocorrect typo, since corrected. ^^^^^^
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:46
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:44:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > > > Poets come in both varieties. > > > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > > > > Michael Pendragon > > "Good morning Victor, keep up the great work." > > -- Will Dockery > > The above was an autocorrect typo, since corrected. ^^^^^^ And then there's the third category...
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:51
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:51
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en Well put, George.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:57
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 12:57
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > Well put, George. We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:07
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 13:07
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > Well put, George. > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. No, I understand it perfectly. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: NancyGene
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:03
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:42:42 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en Larkin would do dozens of drafts of his poems, so he wasn't exactly abandoning them for decades. He was after quality (in his opinion) and didn't want to settle. Most of us know when our poem is done and ready to go, be it after a first or second draft or more, or postponed for a later look. We knew a painter who couldn't decide when his painting was finished.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:32
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:32
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > Well put, George. > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > No, I understand it perfectly. Obviously not. George copy/pasted two quotes. He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:36
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:36
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > Well put, George. > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > No, I understand it perfectly. > Obviously not. > > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. Sure it does. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:47
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:47
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:03:19 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 6:42:42 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > Larkin would do dozens of drafts of his poems, so he wasn't exactly abandoning them for decades. He was after quality (in his opinion) and didn't want to settle. Most of us know when our poem is done and ready to go, be it after a first or second draft or more, or postponed for a later look. > > We knew a painter who couldn't decide when his painting was finished. There's a story in Remy Charlip's "Arm in Arm," where a woman pays an artist to paint her a picture of a fish. Years pass, and the artist never produces the painting. Eventually, the woman goes to the artist and demands her painting. The artist sits down and dashes off a painting of a fish. The woman says "If it was so easy, why did you make me wait all these years?" The artist walks over to a closet, opens the door, and thousands of paintings of fish fall out.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:48
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:10:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote: > Will Dockery wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> > >> > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > >> > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > >> > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > >> > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > >> > > >> > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > >> > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > >> The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > >> > >> In reality, each is only a partial definition: > >> > >> The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > >> > >> Poets come in both varieties. > >> > >> You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > >> > >> Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > >> > >> The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > >> > >> Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > >> > >> > >> Michael Pendragon > >> "Good morning Victor, keep up the great work." > >> -- Will Dockery > > > The above was an autocorrect typo, since corrected. ^^^^^^ > When a mistake is pointed out and corrected, that should be the end of it.... The funny ones take on a life of their own. "Good morning Video" should probably be sticking around for a while.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:58
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 17:58
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:48:39 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 5:10:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote: > > Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > >> > > >> > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > >> > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > >> > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > >> > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > >> > > > >> > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > >> > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > >> The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > >> > > >> In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > >> > > >> The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > >> > > >> Poets come in both varieties. > > >> > > >> You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > >> > > >> Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > >> > > >> The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > >> > > >> Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > >> > > >> > > >> Michael Pendragon > > >> "Good morning Victor, keep up the great work." > > >> -- Will Dockery > > > > > The above was an autocorrect typo, since corrected. ^^^^^^ > > When a mistake is pointed out and corrected, that should be the end of it.... > The funny ones take on a life of their own. > > "Good morning Video" should probably be sticking around for a while. I corrected it, it was just a typo. Like when Nancy Gene referred to "John Dunne". 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:00
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en Good use of quotes, well put. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:04
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > > Well put, George. > > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > Obviously not. > > > > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > > > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > Sure it does. Well put Adjective Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. Per Wiktionary. George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put."
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:06
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:00:39 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > Good use of quotes, well put. No, Will. He actually has to say something about the quotes for it to be "well put."
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:25
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > Michael Pendragon wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > >> > > > > Well put, George. > >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. > >> > Obviously not. > >> > > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. > >> > > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > >> Sure it does. > > > Well put > > Adjective > > > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > > > Per Wiktionary. > > > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." > George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes. He was, but he didn't "put" that question forward. For something to be "well put," it has to be expressed in one's own words. You could say that his juxtaposition of copied quotes made a good point, but you cannot say that it was well put.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:28
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:25:25 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > Michael Pendragon wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > >> > > > > Well put, George. > > >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > >> > Obviously not. > > >> > > > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > >> > > > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > > >> Sure it does. > > > > > Well put > > > Adjective > > > > > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > > > > > Per Wiktionary. > > > > > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." > > George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes. > He was, but he didn't "put" that question forward. > > For something to be "well put," it has to be expressed in one's own words. > > You could say that his juxtaposition of copied quotes made a good point, but you cannot say that it was well put. Okay, it was a good point, then.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:47
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 18:47
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:28:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:25:25 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > Michael Pendragon wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > >> > > > > Well put, George. > > > >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > > >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > > >> > Obviously not. > > > >> > > > > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > > >> > > > > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > > > >> Sure it does. > > > > > > > Well put > > > > Adjective > > > > > > > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > > > > > > > Per Wiktionary. > > > > > > > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." > > > George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes. > > He was, but he didn't "put" that question forward. > > > > For something to be "well put," it has to be expressed in one's own words. > > > > You could say that his juxtaposition of copied quotes made a good point, but you cannot say that it was well put. > Okay, it was a good point, then. Not really, since I have shown that each statement is partially correct, ME's statement is equally valid with that of the article. (I'm assuming that George's "point" was an attempt to troll... er, discredit... ME.) It is, however, an interesting juxtaposition, in that it allows for a discussion of skill vs talent, formalism vs free style, etc.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:01
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:01
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:28:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:25:25 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > >> > > > > Well put, George. > > > > >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > > > >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > > > >> > Obviously not. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > > > > >> Sure it does. > > > > > > > > > Well put > > > > > Adjective > > > > > > > > > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > > > > > > > > > Per Wiktionary. > > > > > > > > > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." > > > > George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes. > > > He was, but he didn't "put" that question forward. > > > > > > For something to be "well put," it has to be expressed in one's own words. > > > > > > You could say that his juxtaposition of copied quotes made a good point, but you cannot say that it was well put. > > Okay, it was a good point, then. > Not really, In my opinion it's an excellent point. since I have shown that each statement is partially correct, ME's statement is equally valid with that of the article. > > (I'm assuming that George's "point" was an attempt to troll... er, discredit... ME.) > > It is, however, an interesting juxtaposition, in that it allows for a discussion of skill vs talent, formalism vs free style, etc.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Michael Pendrago
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:14
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:14
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 10:01:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:28:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:25:25 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > > >> > > > > Well put, George. > > > > > >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > > > > >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > > > > >> > Obviously not. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > > > > > >> Sure it does. > > > > > > > > > > > Well put > > > > > > Adjective > > > > > > > > > > > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > > > > > > > > > > > Per Wiktionary. > > > > > > > > > > > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." > > > > > George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes. > > > > He was, but he didn't "put" that question forward. > > > > > > > > For something to be "well put," it has to be expressed in one's own words. > > > > > > > > You could say that his juxtaposition of copied quotes made a good point, but you cannot say that it was well put. > > > Okay, it was a good point, then. > > Not really, > In my opinion it's an excellent point. That's why you're the Donkey.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:36
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 19:36
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 10:15:00 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 10:01:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:47:03 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:28:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:25:25 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 9:15:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > > >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > > >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > > >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > > >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > > >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > > >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > > >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > > > >> > > > > Well put, George. > > > > > > >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > > > > > >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > > > > > >> > Obviously not. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > > > > > > >> Sure it does. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well put > > > > > > > Adjective > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Per Wiktionary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." > > > > > > George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes. > > > > > He was, but he didn't "put" that question forward. > > > > > > > > > > For something to be "well put," it has to be expressed in one's own words. > > > > > > > > > > You could say that his juxtaposition of copied quotes made a good point, but you cannot say that it was well put. > > > > Okay, it was a good point, then. > > > Not really, > > In my opinion it's an excellent point. > That's why you're Says Pendragon, the shit slinging little monkey. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:01
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:01
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en There's a good Leonard Cohen quote that's similar to the point made here, which might be of interest.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Coco DeSockmonke
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:11
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:11
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 11:01:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > There's a good Leonard Cohen quote that's similar to the point made here, which might be of interest. What point do you think George was trying to make?
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:18
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 20:18
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en George's point is obvious.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Zod@news.novabbs
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 21:00
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George J. Dance wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en Good day to you G.D... quite interesting...!
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: tzod9964@gmail.c
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2022 21:07
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Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: >> >> > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades >> > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >> > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." >> > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html >> > >> > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. >> > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en >> The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." >> >> In reality, each is only a partial definition: >> >> The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. >> >> Poets come in both varieties. >> >> You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. >> >> Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. >> >> The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. >> >> Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. >> >> >> Michael Pendragon >> "Good morning Victor, keep up the great work." >> -- Will Dockery > The above was an autocorrect typo, since corrected. ^^^^^^ When a mistake is pointed out and corrected, that should be the end of it....
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: parnellos.pizza@
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Michael Pendragon wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:36:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: >> On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 8:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades >> > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >> > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." >> > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html >> > > > > > >> > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. >> > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." >> > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en >> > > > > Well put, George. >> > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. >> > > No, I understand it perfectly. >> > Obviously not. >> > >> > George copy/pasted two quotes. >> > >> > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. >> Sure it does. > Well put > Adjective > Of a point, argument, etc.: skilfully phrased. > Per Wiktionary. > George didn't phrase/argue anything in his copy/paste, so there was nothing in his post that could have been "well put." George Dance was making a definite point with the two quotes.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: HC
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 03:00
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > Poets come in both varieties. > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > Michael Pendragon > "Good morning Video, keep up the great work." > -- Will Dockery, a man who wants his MTV. How much, if any, consideration should a reader give to how long it takes a writer to write a poem, relative to the message of the poem? How is one to know how long it takes to write a poem, and why does it matter?
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: "Edward Rocheste
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 04:40
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:00:16 AM UTC-4, HC wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > > > Poets come in both varieties. > > > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > > > > Michael Pendragon > > "Good morning Video, keep up the great work." > > -- Will Dockery, a man who wants his MTV. > > How much, if any, consideration should a reader give to how long it > takes a writer to write a poem, relative to the message of the poem? > > How is one to know how long it takes > to write a poem, and why does it matter? Some sit on a clean toilet, perhaps read the news, take some time, others dig a hole in the woods, dump and bury, some just depend on Depends. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: NancyGene
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 04:51
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 12:32:30 AM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > Well put, George. > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > No, I understand it perfectly. > Obviously not. > > George copy/pasted two quotes. Not only that, but he copied the quote that we found, and that we posted in another thread, and presented it as his own find. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post. Perhaps ME can school him on how to do that. > > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. If anything, ME and our comments were "well put," and we did explain what we meant.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: "Edward Rocheste
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 05:00
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 05:00
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:51:48 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 12:32:30 AM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 4:07:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:57:08 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:51:20 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > > Well put, George. > > > > We can now add "well put" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will Donkey refuses to understand. > > > No, I understand it perfectly. > > Obviously not. > > > > George copy/pasted two quotes. > Not only that, but he copied the quote that we found, and that we posted in another thread, and presented it as his own find. > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ > > He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post. Perhaps ME can school him on how to do that. > > > > He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > If anything, ME and our comments were "well put," and we did explain what we meant. Dance rides The Donkey, The Donkey rides Dance.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: HC
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 05:19
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 05:19
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:40:22 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:00:16 AM UTC-4, HC wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > > > > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > > > > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > > > > > Poets come in both varieties. > > > > > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > > > > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > > > > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > > > > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon > > > "Good morning Video, keep up the great work." > > > -- Will Dockery, a man who wants his MTV. > > > > How much, if any, consideration should a reader give to how long it > > takes a writer to write a poem, relative to the message of the poem? > > > > How is one to know how long it takes > > to write a poem, and why does it matter? > Some sit on a clean toilet, perhaps read the news, take some time, others dig a hole in the woods, dump and bury, some just depend on Depends. > > The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Exactly. For example, I spent some thirty plus years as a caregiver, not to mention countless hours writing, and rewriting what I’ve recently condensed into a single, one hundred page book of rhymes dedicated to caregivers and caregiving. It represents a lot of my time and effort, but readers don’t really care what all went into its writing if the book itself isn’t an enjoyable read. People seem to have liked it well enough.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Ash Wurthing
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 05:35
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 05:35
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I doesn't see me mentioned... I rage therefor I write... I write despite the slings and arrows, still I will write to spite the slights. I do both approaches. One thing not mentioned: reality. (Dylan)/songwriters can't put their work away till they can finish it later-- they must produce and therefor end up with the best they can produce on a schedule.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: HC
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:22
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 07:22
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote: > I doesn't see me mentioned... > > I rage therefor I write... I write despite the slings and arrows, still I will write to spite the slights. > > I do both approaches. > One thing not mentioned: reality. (Dylan)/songwriters can't put their work away till they can finish it later-- they must produce and therefor end up with the best they can produce on a schedule. Very good. Writing for self-satisfaction isn’t the same as writing to create a marketable product.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Zod
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 08:43
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 08:43
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:40:22 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:00:16 AM UTC-4, HC wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > > > > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > > > > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > > > > > Poets come in both varieties. > > > > > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > > > > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > > > > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > > > > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon > > > "Good morning Video, keep up the great work." > > > -- Will Dockery, a man who wants his MTV. > > > > How much, if any, consideration should a reader give to how long it > > takes a writer to write a poem, relative to the message of the poem? > > > > How is one to know how long it takes > > to write a poem, and why does it matter? > Some sit on a clean toilet, perhaps read the news, take some time, others dig a hole in the woods, dump and bury, some just depend on Depends. > > The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Depends are expensive and not good for the environment. I shit my drawers then take a "swim" in the Chattahoochee, in true dharma bum fashion. Free your mind!
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: NancyGene
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 08:48
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 08:48
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:35:19 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: > NancyGene wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > >> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > >> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > >> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > >> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > >> > > > > > >> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > >> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > >> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ > > > He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post > George probably wanted to give the entire thread, for context. Bull shit. > Why did you leave out our sentence and link to our original comment? George Dance did not "give the entire thread, for context" so show where his first quote came from? "Not only that, but he copied the quote that we found, and that we posted in another thread, and presented it as his own find. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ" > "He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. If anything, ME and our comments were "well put," and we did explain what we meant."
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: HC
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:42
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:42
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:35:19 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: > > NancyGene wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > >> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > >> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > >> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > >> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > >> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ > > > > > He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post > > George probably wanted to give the entire thread, for context. > Bull shit. > > > > Why did you leave out our sentence and link to our original comment? George Dance did not "give the entire thread, for context" so show where his first quote came from? > "Not only that, but he copied the quote that we found, and that we posted in another thread, and presented it as his own find. > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ" > > "He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > If anything, ME and our comments were "well put," and we did explain what we meant." Another promising thread marked as unnavigable crap. Thanks a lot.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: ME
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:53
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 09:53
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On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 11:48:06 UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:35:19 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: > > NancyGene wrote: > > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > >> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > >> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > >> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > >> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > >> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ > > > > > He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post > > George probably wanted to give the entire thread, for context. > Bull shit. > > > > Why did you leave out our sentence and link to our original comment? George Dance did not "give the entire thread, for context" so show where his first quote came from? > "Not only that, but he copied the quote that we found, and that we posted in another thread, and presented it as his own find. > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ" > > "He didn't *write/explain* anything, so your "well put" would not apply. > If anything, ME and our comments were "well put," and we did explain what we meant." NG, it’s just dance acting like a petty little cunt. He tries to be clever but usually fails at it. Like this proves.
Forgery and Identity Theft flagged (Was: Re: Two views of writing poetry)
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 10:02
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 10:02
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 11:43:06 AM UTC-4, fake Zod wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 7:40:22 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote: > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 6:00:16 AM UTC-4, HC wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 3:25:36 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > The two views only appear to cancel one another out when uses them as exclusive definitions of "poet." > > > > > > > > In reality, each is only a partial definition: > > > > > > > > The first statement pertains to devotion to one's craft; the second, to natural talent. > > > > > > > > Poets come in both varieties. > > > > > > > > You, PJR and Gwyneth fall under the first category, Jim, NancyGene and myself under the second. > > > > > > > > Nor are these partial definitions mutually exclusive. Natural poets can possess a great deal of devoted craftsmanship, and craftsmen can possess their share of talent. It's simply a matter of which type is dominant. > > > > > > > > The first type are formalists: interested in composing specific poetry forms, meters, etc. The second group has an informal approach which can span from traditional rhyme/meter to free verse. > > > > > > > > Both groups have the potential to produce quality poetry. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Pendragon > > > > "Good morning Video, keep up the great work." > > > > -- Will Dockery, a man who wants his MTV. > > > > > > How much, if any, consideration should a reader give to how long it > > > takes a writer to write a poem, relative to the message of the poem? > > > > > > How is one to know how long it takes > > > to write a poem, and why does it matter? > > Some sit on a clean toilet, perhaps read the news, take some time, others dig a hole in the woods, dump and bury, some just depend on Depends. > > > > The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. > Depends are expensive and not good for the environment. I shit my drawers then take a "swim" in the Chattahoochee, in true dharma bum fashion. Free your mind! Obvious forgery noted and flagged ^^^^^^^^^^^
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:06
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:06
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On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en And, lest we forget: "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ And so it goes. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: ME
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:11
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:11
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On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > And, lest we forget: > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ > > And so it goes. > YOu and dance are really desparate for a flame war, aren’t you?
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:14
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:14
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > And, lest we forget: > > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ > > > > And so it goes. > > > YOu and dance are really desparate for a flame war, aren’t you? Not really. I'd prefer a truce. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: will.dockery@gma
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:35
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NancyGene wrote: > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades >> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." >> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html >> > > > > >> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. >> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." >> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ > He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post George probably wanted to give the entire thread, for context. HTH and HAND.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: ME
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:37
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:37
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On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:14:46 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > And, lest we forget: > > > > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ > > > > > > And so it goes. > > > > > YOu and dance are really desparate for a flame war, aren’t you? > Not really. > > I'd prefer a truce. > That is a lie!!! You don’t want to nor can you, get along with others here. All you bring to the table is antagonistic behavior and contant drama. You are unable to contribute intellegent, rational comments to any conversation.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:41
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 13:41
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:37:35 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:14:46 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > > > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > And, lest we forget: > > > > > > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ > > > > > > > > And so it goes. > > > > > > > YOu and dance are really desparate for a flame war, aren’t you? > > Not really. > > > > I'd prefer a truce. > > > That is a lie!!! No, it's not. > You are unable to contribute intellegent, rational comments to any conversation. As if you do? 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: parnellos.pizza@
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:34
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2022 16:34
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NancyGene wrote: > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 1:35:19 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote: >> NancyGene wrote: >> >> > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: >> > >> >> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades >> >> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >> >> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." >> >> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. >> >> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." >> >> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en >> > >> > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/-bFKGJLZdFc/m/s1b3V2taCQAJ >> >> > He also didn't correctly copy the link to ME's comment. He posted the link to the thread but not to the post >> George probably wanted to give the entire thread, for context. > Bull shit <Nancy Gene's bullshit snipped> Not really, the link provides the quote in context. HTH and HAND.
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 14:18
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 14:18
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:37:35 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:14:46 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > > > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > > > And, lest we forget: > > > > > > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" > > > > > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ > > > > > > > > And so it goes. > > > > > > > YOu and dance are really desparate >. ^^^^^^^^^^^ > > to contribute intellegent > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Nancy Gene, where are you when your friends need your proof-reading expertise? HTH and HAND. 🙂
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: ME
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:02
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:02
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On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:11:38 UTC-4, ME wrote: > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html > > > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en > > And, lest we forget: > > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" > > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ > > > > And so it goes. > > > YOu and dance are really desparate for a flame war, aren’t you? OMG I made a typo
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: ME
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:04
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:04
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On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:37:35 UTC-4, ME wrote:
> On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:14:46 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en
> > > > And, lest we forget:
> > > >
> > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME"
> > > >
> > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ
> > > >
> > > > And so it goes.
> > > >
> > > YOu and dance are really desparate for a flame war, aren’t you?
> > Not really.
> >
> > I'd prefer a truce.
> >
> That is a lie!!!
> You don’t want to nor can you, get along with others here.
> All you bring to the table is antagonistic behavior and contant drama. You are unable to contribute intellegent, rational comments to any conversation.
OMFG
I made another typo..
Just slap ME and call ME Judy......
Re: Two views of writing poetry
Author: Will Dockery
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:19
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 16:19
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On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:37:35 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:14:46 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: >> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 4:11:38 PM UTC-4, ME wrote: >> > On Saturday, 23 July 2022 at 16:06:54 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: >> > > On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> > > > > "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades >> > > > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >> > > > > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." >> > > > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html >> > > > > >> > > > > "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think. >> > > > > In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." >> > > > > https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en >> > > > And, lest we forget: >> > > > >> > > > "Truth be told, I really don’t like poetry that much." -"ME" >> > > > >> > > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/MCQ8uk0Il10/aoJ1qmfWCAAJ >> > > > >> > > > And so it goes. >> > > > >> > > YOu and dance are really desparate > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > to contribute intellegent > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Like I said, Nancy Gene, where are you when your friends need your proof-reading expertise? Just curious. 🙂
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