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On 2022-05-05 11:03 a.m., Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Were you asleep in the 1990s-2000s, Pendragon?
>>
>> Love it or hate it, the hip-hop and rap influence on the current poetry scene is real.
>>
>> Look it up.
>
> We were discussing the change from traditional to modern poetry, Donkey, and the subsequent redefinition of poetry (abandonment of rhymed-metered verse).

No, we'd moved on from that and were talking about the rediscovery of
rhyme (beginning in the 1980s).

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 >> I learned to begin to embrace rhyme, meter and form, et cetera, in these
 >> later years.

 > I won't claim any credit, since you were using rhymes before I got on
 > the group. But I do think that being on aapc was probably a big
 > influence on your doing that.

I think perhaps the [advent] of HIP HOP spoken word poetry helped bring
on the changes as well.....
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Will, of course, was talking about himself and his own discovery of
rhyme. Zod was pointing out that the former didn't happen in a vacuum;
Will's pesonal evolution was happening in, and reflective of, a general
popular trend in poetry post-1980.
>
> 1) Hip-hop and rap did not appear until long after the change had taken place.
> 2) Hip-hop and rap rely heavily on rhyme and meter, and would represent a popular movement to restore traditional poetry.

Exactly what Zod was saying. The hip-hop movement didn't occur in a
vacuum, though; there were other factors behind the rediscovery of
rhyme. The most important, academically, was the rise of New Formalism,
which was a movement of poetics as much as poetry.

But the biggest influence, I'd say, was as always the internet. Suddenly
(over 25 or so years, or just the blink of an eye in terms of the
tradition), public domain poetry went from a few dusty books in
second-hand shelves, that hardly anyone even noticed much less bought,
to being seen and read by millions.

> You and your Stink are obviously unaware of both the history of modern poetry and of the history of poetry in general.
>

No, that looks like a case of misunderstanding.