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In article <gs86is$s6$1@news.motzarella.org>, David
<david.park@tesco.net> scribeth thus
>My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect The
>Pulse in West Yorkshire?
>

Http://radiotoday.co.uk/news.php?extend.4631


Looks like it. It won't be the last this year. Some of the smaller
stations have their hands tied behind their backs with very low
transmitter powers and can't get the coverage they need to be viable.
--
Tony Sayer

In article <KVahrVD1A75JFwmm@bancom.co.uk>,
   tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>  Some of the smaller
> stations have their hands tied behind their backs with very low
> transmitter powers and can't get the coverage they need to be viable.

If neighbouring stations both up their power to reach a larger audience,
they'll then be competing for the same audience where this overlaps?

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"David" <david.park@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect
> The Pulse in West Yorkshire?

Dunno. Better check.

http://www.womensheart.org/content/Stroke/pulse_check.asp

Bill

Jerry wrote:

> > They might.. But its surprising that there are parts of the UK where
> > commercial radio coverage is non existent or very poor.
> >
> > For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
> > Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
> > Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..
>
> Some would suggest that would be a definite bonus point in any Estate
> Agents adverts, "This property lies within a ILR free zone"!


If the output of these stations is anything to go by, I doubt anybody
is listening in the areas were they can receive ILR.

Also suggests Tony's car radio is either deaf or his aerial is rubbish.

tony sayer wrote:

> > > My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect The
> > > Pulse in West Yorkshire?
> >
> > I remember Centre Radio in Leicester going bust (late 70s?), have
> > there been others go bust between these 2?
>
> Very few compared to what's being going on recently.
>
> Still you need the official "receiver" to hear bankrupt radio stations ;)..
>
> Course they might just be going "bust" with the present company to get rid of
> any debt and if Ofcom play ball and let them take the licence to a new debt
> free firm and ruin it carefully .. they might "just" stay going ..


I think five stations have gone bust since the start of 2009.

David wrote:

> > For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
> > Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
> > Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..
> > --
>
> I have the impression the IR stations are not connected to each other on the RDS system.
> They only have RDS to switch within their area if they have more than one frequency,
> but not set to transfer to other IR when you drive across country.


One of the original intentions of RDS was for ILR to be connected in such a way
that a driver could continue to listen to a ILR station while on the move and gain
the latest traffic information. It never happened due to demise of the IBA were
each ILR station became independent and gained full control over the running of
there own equipment.

David wrote:
> My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect
> The Pulse in West Yorkshire?

No. Pennine Radio's name was adopted by the Huddersfield ILR station
originally called Home FM.

Nothing to do with the original Bradford station from the 1970s, that is now
called The Pulse.


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On Apr 17, 2:39 pm, "Bill Wright" <insertmybusinessn...@f2s.com>
wrote:
> "tony sayer" <t...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:s7wIArDQpF6JFw5o@bancom.co.uk...
>
> > In article <15udnYKEQphaynXUnZ2dnUVZ8mydn...@bt.com>, South Downs
> > <?@?.?> scribeth thus
> >>Also suggests Tony's car radio is either deaf or his aerial is rubbish.
>
> > Volvo fitted unit .. seems fine otherwise, not the best aerial agreed
> > but certainly no worse than those on most cars..
>
> Our Volvo's radio won't tune these low class stations either. You need a
> Ford Focus or something to hear them.
>
> Bill

Don't you have a 'DX' button these days, to scan with a lower signal
threshold level?

J

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:04:17 +0100, "David" <david.park@tesco.net>
wrote:

>My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect The
>Pulse in West Yorkshire?

I remember Centre Radio in Leicester going bust (late 70s?), have
there been others go bust between these 2?

In article <504d1b75b3dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> scribeth thus
>In article <KVahrVD1A75JFwmm@bancom.co.uk>,
>   tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>>  Some of the smaller
>> stations have their hands tied behind their backs with very low
>> transmitter powers and can't get the coverage they need to be viable.
>
>If neighbouring stations both up their power to reach a larger audience,
>they'll then be competing for the same audience where this overlaps?
>

They might.. But its surprising that there are parts of the UK where
commercial radio coverage is non existent or very poor.

For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..
--
Tony Sayer

In article <ntfgu4ti4qm6kpjmdoa22l8r6hk5jl77vi@4ax.com>, CD <no@way.ok>
scribeth thus
>On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:04:17 +0100, "David" <david.park@tesco.net>
>wrote:
>
>>My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect The
>>Pulse in West Yorkshire?
>
>I remember Centre Radio in Leicester going bust (late 70s?), have
>there been others go bust between these 2?

Very few compared to what's being going on recently.

Still you need the official "receiver" to hear bankrupt radio stations ;)..

Course they might just be going "bust" with the present company to get rid of
any debt and if Ofcom play ball and let them take the licence to a new debt
free firm and ruin it carefully .. they might "just" stay going ..
--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
<snip>
>
> They might.. But its surprising that there are parts of the UK where
> commercial radio coverage is non existent or very poor.
>
> For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
> Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
> Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..

Some would suggest that would be a definite bonus point in any Estate
Agents adverts, "This property lies within a ILR free zone"!

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"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <504d1b75b3dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
>
> For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
> Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
> Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..
> --

I have the impression the IR stations are not connected to each other on the
RDS system.
They only have RDS to switch within their area if they have more than one
frequency, but not set to transfer to other IR when you drive across
country.

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David

FREESAT HD  as it is now it is a joke.

In article <gs9i43$ob3$1@news.motzarella.org>, Jerry <mapson.scarts@btin
ternet.com.INVALID> scribeth thus
>tony sayer wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> They might.. But its surprising that there are parts of the UK where
>> commercial radio coverage is non existent or very poor.
>>
>> For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
>> Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
>> Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..
>
>Some would suggest that would be a definite bonus point in any Estate
>Agents adverts, "This property lies within a ILR free zone"!
>

Some would .. but OTOH they do have listeners so they must be doing
something right .. and it does keep some people in jobs;)...
--
Tony Sayer

In article <15udnYKEQphaynXUnZ2dnUVZ8mydnZ2d@bt.com>, South Downs
<?@?.?> scribeth thus
>Jerry wrote:
>
>> > They might.. But its surprising that there are parts of the UK where
>> > commercial radio coverage is non existent or very poor.
>> >
>> > For instance we can drive from Cambridge to London and just South of the
>> > Cambs border to around just north of Harlow the scan on the radio in the
>> > Volvo will only stop on BBC nationals!..
>>
>> Some would suggest that would be a definite bonus point in any Estate
>> Agents adverts, "This property lies within a ILR free zone"!
>
>
>If the output of these stations is anything to go by, I doubt anybody
>is listening in the areas were they can receive ILR.
>
>Also suggests Tony's car radio is either deaf or his aerial is rubbish.

Volvo fitted unit .. seems fine otherwise, not the best aerial agreed
but certainly no worse than those on most cars..
--
Tony Sayer

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:27:46 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

> if Ofcom play ball and let them take the licence to a new debt
> free firm and ruin it carefully .. they might "just" stay going ..

Why would they want to stay going if they've just taken all that trouble
to ruin something?

"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
news:s7wIArDQpF6JFw5o@bancom.co.uk...
> In article <15udnYKEQphaynXUnZ2dnUVZ8mydnZ2d@bt.com>, South Downs
> <?@?.?> scribeth thus
>>Also suggests Tony's car radio is either deaf or his aerial is rubbish.
>
> Volvo fitted unit .. seems fine otherwise, not the best aerial agreed
> but certainly no worse than those on most cars..

Our Volvo's radio won't tune these low class stations either. You need a
Ford Focus or something to hear them.

Bill

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:19:51 -0500, South Downs wrote:

>> Some would suggest that would be a definite bonus point in any Estate
>> Agents adverts, "This property lies within a ILR free zone"!
>
> Also suggests Tony's car radio is either deaf or his aerial is rubbish.

Naa, there are quite large areas with very little to no relevant ILR
coverage. We can get just about get CFM but that's it and it's output is
not particularly relevant.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:21:32 -0500, South Downs wrote:

> I think five stations have gone bust since the start of 2009.

The Radio Today article previously linked said that but is that "bust" as
in no longer any transmissions and the licence up for grabs. Or, has
already been suggested, "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an
"all new station" on the same frequency, with the same kit, staff and
directors?

--
Cheers
Dave.

In article <02124271-546d-49c1-a447-26762fe2f684@t11g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
	no-reply-john@ntlworld.com wrote:
> On Apr 17, 2:39 pm, "Bill Wright" <insertmybusinessn...@f2s.com>
> wrote:
>> "tony sayer" <t...@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
>>
>> news:s7wIArDQpF6JFw5o@bancom.co.uk...
>>
>> > In article <15udnYKEQphaynXUnZ2dnUVZ8mydn...@bt.com>, South Downs
>> > <?@?.?> scribeth thus
>> >>Also suggests Tony's car radio is either deaf or his aerial is rubbish.
>>
>> > Volvo fitted unit .. seems fine otherwise, not the best aerial agreed
>> > but certainly no worse than those on most cars..
>>
>> Our Volvo's radio won't tune these low class stations either. You need a
>> Ford Focus or something to hear them.

> Don't you have a 'DX' button these days, to scan with a lower signal
> threshold level?

They don't often fit that sort of button, as the Burberry pattern
clashes with the rest of the trim.

--
Paul Martin <pm@nowster.org.uk>

"CD" <no@way.ok> wrote in message
news:ntfgu4ti4qm6kpjmdoa22l8r6hk5jl77vi@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:04:17 +0100, "David" <david.park@tesco.net>
> wrote:
>
> >My wife said it was on TV news Pennine Radio gone bust, does this effect
The
> >Pulse in West Yorkshire?
>
> I remember Centre Radio in Leicester going bust (late 70s?), have
> there been others go bust between these 2?

Been a few, the one I remember most here in Manchester was when Sunset 102
went bust - quite spectacularly.

In article <nyyfbegfubjuvyypbz.ki9idl1.pminews@srv1.howhill.net>, Dave
Liquorice <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> scribeth thus
>On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:21:32 -0500, South Downs wrote:
>
>> I think five stations have gone bust since the start of 2009.
>
>The Radio Today article previously linked said that but is that "bust" as
>in no longer any transmissions and the licence up for grabs. Or, has
>already been suggested, "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an
>"all new station" on the same frequency, with the same kit, staff and
>directors?
>

We'll have to wait and see. A lot of stations fail with sustainable debt
levels., Somehow they rarely get run as small businesses which they are
and no different to a small plumbing and heating firm for instance.

Seems as there're meedija then there in a different class;!...
--
Tony Sayer

In article <slrnguh4v5.p9k.abuse@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> scribeth thus
>On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:27:46 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> if Ofcom play ball and let them take the licence to a new debt
>> free firm and ruin it carefully .. they might "just" stay going ..
>
>Why would they want to stay going if they've just taken all that trouble
>to ruin something?

Well it seems the former owners might have ruined it by excessive debt
levels, and if run more carefully then they might just stay afloat.

So if you can get -rid- of the debt....
--
Tony Sayer

South Downs wrote:

> One of the original intentions of RDS was for ILR to be connected in such a way
> that a driver could continue to listen to a ILR station while on the move and gain
> the latest traffic information. It never happened due to demise of the IBA were
> each ILR station became independent and gained full control over the running of
> there own equipment.

Yes, the plan was for them all to have a C*86 PI Code, and be generically
linked with the REG function. The idea died a death with the IBA. Even before
that happened the idea didn't work too well, because ISTR both Capital and LBC
with their identical service areas both had '86 codes.

Some stations did link in later years, but not for long, Reading's Radio 210,
Southampton's Ocean Sound, and Bournemouth's 2CR for instance.

--
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In article <_OWdnWwIPpdsKHXUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
	Mikeapollo wrote:

> Been a few, the one I remember most here in Manchester was when Sunset 102
> went bust - quite spectacularly.

Cut off by NORWEB, decamped to a different site (I was told that it was
a former church), arranged a new SHF link with the IBA, ran from there
for a few weeks, then presumably fell to bits a little later.

--
Paul Martin <pm@nowster.org.uk>

tony sayer wrote:

> >> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on the
> >> same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?
> >
> > Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?
>
> Seem to remember that it depends on how its done..
>
> And what you are actually doing..



SBS (Tx manufacturer) somehow managed it, I think they have
gone bust twice.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:32:09 +0100 (BST), Dave Liquorice
<allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> wrote:

> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on the
> same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?

Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:01:29 +0100, Mikeapollo <usenet@.> wrote:

> Been a few, the one I remember most here in Manchester was when Sunset 102
> went bust - quite spectacularly.

What, a lovely shade of orange or something like that?
A supernova perhaps?

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:03:55 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:

>>> if Ofcom play ball and let them take the licence to a new debt
>>> free firm and ruin it carefully .. they might "just" stay going ..
>>
>>Why would they want to stay going if they've just taken all that trouble
>>to ruin something?
>
> Well it seems the former owners might have ruined it by excessive debt
> levels, and if run more carefully then they might just stay afloat.

I think this is where I put in one of these:

<whoosh>

I wish I hadn't bothered now.

In article <slrngujhcs.rf6.abuse@news.pr.network>, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> scribeth thus
>On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:32:09 +0100 (BST), Dave Liquorice
><allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> wrote:
>
>> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on the
>> same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?
>
>Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?

Seem to remember that it depends on how its done..

And what you are actually doing..
--
Tony Sayer

"Paul Martin" <pm@nowster.org.uk> wrote in message
news:slrnguhig5.qv5.pm@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk...
> In article <_OWdnWwIPpdsKHXUnZ2dnUVZ8gidnZ2d@posted.plusnet>,
> Mikeapollo wrote:
>
> > Been a few, the one I remember most here in Manchester was when Sunset
102
> > went bust - quite spectacularly.
>
> Cut off by NORWEB, decamped to a different site (I was told that it was
> a former church), arranged a new SHF link with the IBA, ran from there
> for a few weeks, then presumably fell to bits a little later.

Well, Mike Shaft (who set up Sunset) has a very good couple of pages about
it's origins, setup and demise at
http://www.mikeshaft.com/08Sunset%20Radio%201.html

and Radio Now carries the stories of this and other stations that went bust
(and why) at
http://www.radio-now.co.uk/stations_off_air.htm


Sunset Radio went into liquidation in October 1993.

In May 1993 the Radio Authority made a decision to prematurely terminate
Sunset's licence, apparently accusing the station of providing inaccurate
information about its financial and management affairs.

In June 1993, The landlords of the building locked staff out and
subsequently NORWEB cut off the power to the facilities for non-payment.The
TX remained on broadcasting dead air. The station popped up again a few
weeks later in July from it's "backup" site.

In August 1993 the station reportedly had its transmission facilities
withdrawn by NTL for non-payment. Following a brief return to the air the
liquidator was called in and Sunset's frequency finally fell silent.

The liquidator was later to re-apply on behalf of Sunset Radio for its
re-advertised licence. Faze FM won the re-advertised licence for Manchester.

Like Sunrise, Faze FM broadcast dance music, licencing the brand name Kiss
from London station Kiss 100FM. The station launched as Kiss 102, but has
since been bought by Chrysalis Radio. The station is now part of the
successful Galaxy network.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:20:44 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:

>> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on the
>>  same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?
>
> Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?

Nope. One company folds, the assets are bought(*) by another company and
off you go. There are a number of freelancers out there ATM who are not
very happy about a company that stopped trading fairly recently.

(*) For some definition of "bought".

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:20:44 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
>
>>> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on the
>>>  same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?
>> Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?
>
> Nope. One company folds, the assets are bought(*) by another company and
> off you go. There are a number of freelancers out there ATM who are not
> very happy about a company that stopped trading fairly recently.
>
> (*) For some definition of "bought".
>

That is not true were *directors* are concerned.

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:54:26 +0100, Jerry wrote:

>>>> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on
>>>> the same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?
>>>
>>> Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?
>>
>> Nope. One company folds, the assets are bought(*) by another company
>> and off you go.
>>
>> (*) For some definition of "bought".
>
> That is not true were *directors* are concerned.

Any director of a Limited Company that leaves their assets exposed to the
debts of that limited company is a bit daft IMHO. Pretty sure a creditor
could only pursue the directors of a bust company with any hope of success
at getting anything back would be if the directors had been doing
something illegal and the creditor can prove it. This "protection from
debt" is the whole point of Limited Companies.

--
Cheers
Dave.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:54:26 +0100, Jerry wrote:
>
>>>>> "bust" to free themselves of debt and start an "all new station" on
>>>>> the same frequency, with the same kit, staff and directors?
>>>> Wasn't that sort of scam made illegal some years ago?
>>> Nope. One company folds, the assets are bought(*) by another company
>>> and off you go.
>>>
>>> (*) For some definition of "bought".
>> That is not true were *directors* are concerned.
>
> Any director of a Limited Company that leaves their assets exposed to the
> debts of that limited company is a bit daft IMHO. Pretty sure a creditor
> could only pursue the directors of a bust company with any hope of success
> at getting anything back would be if the directors had been doing
> something illegal and the creditor can prove it. This "protection from
> debt" is the whole point of Limited Companies.
>

AIUI directors of bankrupt companies are prevented by law from taking
a directorship in any company [1] formed out of the assets of the
bankrupted company, it *used* to be the case that a director could in
effect walk away from his or her creditors by putting the company into
receivership and then buying it back off the receiver and thus carry
on as before less the debt. No one is doubting that the assets can be
bought by *someone else* and the company carry on trading.

[1] might even be any holding directorship

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On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:07:19 +0100, Jerry wrote:

> AIUI directors of bankrupt companies are prevented by law from taking
> a directorship in any company [1] formed out of the assets of the
> bankrupted company,

"Bankrupt" has a special legal meaning. A company ceasing to trade, even
one with lots of debt, is not necessarily "bankrupt". You file for
bankruptcy and once declared you do have all manner of restrictions placed
upon you, not being a company director is one of them. Thinking about it
I'm not sure than bankruptcy would actually be all that relevant to a Ltd
Co as that doesn't need money to buy food, housing, warmth etc...

> No one is doubting that the assets can be bought by *someone else* and
> the company carry on trading.

Remember that another Ltd Co. is "someone else" in this context. There may
have to be fiddling of job titles of the directors of the new company
versus the old one. Maybe an old director becomes the secretary of the new
and vice versa...

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