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"Bill Wright" <insertmybusinessname@f2s.com> wrote in message
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>I didn't know it was called this, but it happened to someone I used to
>know. Her husband (who turned out to be a real bad egg but at the time
>seemed really nice) was having an affair, and she got various clues. He
>explained it all away by saying that she was imagining things and so forth,
>and in fact she eventually believed that she was mad. The NHS did well here
>because she was referred straight away, and the clinical psychologist told
>her she wasn't bloody well mad. In the end the husband confessed, and she
>found it in her heart to forgive the adultery but not the mental torture.
>They didn't split up but ever since she has kept a slight distance. She
>says she'll never trust him and she daren't risk loving him again.
>
> He turned out to be a real bastard. Did a lot of bad things later (not to
> her). How he's kept out of jail I don't know.
>
> Bill

It occurred to me that not all contributors to this group will
have followed the "ITV and it's (sic) future" thread and might
 think your post was spurious. (Perish the thought).

Such a Hitchcockian title for a suspense movie, but the director
was George Cukor.
I suppose today it would have to be called "Dimmer-switch"

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"Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
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> Such a Hitchcockian title for a suspense movie, but the director
> was George Cukor.
> I suppose today it would have to be called "Dimmer-switch"

*lol*

Or "Hitchcocks triac based chopper circuit"...  although that either sounds
like a murder flick or a programme from one of those high-end-of-the-EPG
soft X channels I suppose ;)

"Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
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>
> It occurred to me that not all contributors to this group will
> have followed the "ITV and it's (sic) future" thread and might
> think your post was spurious. (Perish the thought).
Good grief! I hadn't thought of that. I certainly don't want people to think
I generate spurii. At least, not without some sort of containment.

> Such a Hitchcockian title for a suspense movie, but the director
> was George Cukor.
> I suppose today it would have to be called "Dimmer-switch"
Or, if the government doens't get some power stations built sharpish, it
could be called 'Candle light.'

Bill

"Mikeapollo" <usenet@.removethisbit.mikeapollo.net> wrote in message
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> Or "Hitchcocks triac based chopper circuit"...  although that either
> sounds
> like a murder flick or a programme from one of those high-end-of-the-EPG
> soft X channels I suppose ;)

I thought a chopper circuit was a tour of certain pubs looking for something
specific.

Bill

"Bill Wright" <insertmybusinessname@f2s.com> wrote in message
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> if the government doens't get some power stations built sharpish, it
> could be called 'Candle light.'

Surely it would be "brownout" first though...?

"Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
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> Such a Hitchcockian title for a suspense movie, but the director
> was George Cukor.
> I suppose today it would have to be called "Dimmer-switch"

"Dimmer-switch" wouldn't work as a title. What used to happen with gaslights
is, that when an extra one was lit anywhere in the house, it would cause the
others to dim.
Thus the "gaslighter", after pretending to go out to his workplace was,
amongst other tricks, deliberately dimming the lights by way of the main gas
tap, to make his victim think there was somebody else in the house, and then
sympathetically telling her she was going mad when she later reacted to what
she'd seen.

"jamie powell" <jamie_p84@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
> news:gpem8s$sft$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>> Such a Hitchcockian title for a suspense movie, but the director
>> was George Cukor.
>> I suppose today it would have to be called "Dimmer-switch"
>
> "Dimmer-switch" wouldn't work as a title. What used to happen with
> gaslights is, that when an extra one was lit anywhere in the house, it
> would cause the others to dim.
> Thus the "gaslighter", after pretending to go out to his workplace was,
> amongst other tricks, deliberately dimming the lights by way of the main
> gas tap, to make his victim think there was somebody else in the house,
> and then sympathetically telling her she was going mad when she later
> reacted to what she'd seen.

I wonder if the govoner on a modern gas supply would eliminate that
effect?
 By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s

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"Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
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>
> By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
> fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s
>
> --
IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into the 1960s, I
was led to believe that this was because they had signed some kind of deal
with the gas companies decades before to purchase gas at a fixed rate.

"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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:
<snip>
: IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into
the 1960s, I
: was led to believe that this was because they had signed some
kind of deal
: with the gas companies decades before to purchase gas at a
fixed rate.
:

I think you mean into the 1970s, many of the inner/outer suburban
commuter stations on the line out of Kings Cross still had gas
lighting as late as 1975, not only that but most of those gas
lights still needed a man with a pole to open the gas valve to
the mantle! I suspect that a more logical reason for not
modernising such stations was the disruption that would be
caused, providing electricity to platforms that sit in the middle
of a busy 24/7 mainline railway is not as simple as it first
seems...
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"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote in message
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> I suspect that a more logical reason for not
> modernising such stations was the disruption that would be
> caused, providing electricity to platforms that sit in the middle
> of a busy 24/7 mainline railway is not as simple as it first
> seems...

This is all before my time, but I thought the usual conversion procedure was
simply to feed the electrical wires through the disused gas pipes,
essentially using them as conduits?

The message <gph9td$4n2$1@news.motzarella.org>
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> I think you mean into the 1970s, many of the inner/outer suburban
> commuter stations on the line out of Kings Cross still had gas
> lighting as late as 1975, not only that but most of those gas
> lights still needed a man with a pole to open the gas valve to
> the mantle! I suspect that a more logical reason for not
> modernising such stations was the disruption that would be
> caused, providing electricity to platforms that sit in the middle
> of a busy 24/7 mainline railway is not as simple as it first
> seems...
> --


I would have thought the gas-pipe would have made an ideal conduit to
run the cable through to the light fitting.

In article <gpgjec$lq8$1@news.motzarella.org>,
   Graham. <me@privicy.com> wrote:
>  By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
> fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s

I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.

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In article <gphe24$5r8$1@aioe.org>,
   jamie powell <jamie_p84@excite.com> wrote:
> This is all before my time, but I thought the usual conversion procedure
> was simply to feed the electrical wires through the disused gas pipes,
> essentially using them as conduits?

You might be able to for the final run, but electrical conduit usually has
'inspection' elbows etc to ease the installation of cable whereas gas iron
barrel obviously doesn't. Would take more time to do as the gas would have
to be disconnected first leaving you without light. It would also be
unusual to convert fittings unless they were very special - so in general
it would be easier to just run in new conduit - or MI cable - and rip out
the old. Or just leave it 'dead' of course.

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<snip>
:
: I would have thought the gas-pipe would have made an ideal
conduit to
: run the cable through to the light fitting.

Err, so you shut the station until the work is complete, that
assumes that one would actually get such a cable through the
various elbows that would have been used during he installation
of the gas-pipe?... Duh!

These day, of course, there are all types of 'robot' small-bore
tunnelling machines that could be used.
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Jerry wrote:

> "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into
>> the 1960s
>
> I think you mean into the 1970s

There's a pub here (in Leicester) that still has it.

In article <503c56eeb8dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> scribeth thus
>In article <gpgjec$lq8$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>   Graham. <me@privicy.com> wrote:
>>  By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
>> fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s
>
>I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
>owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
>when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.
>

Barrow road in Cambridge a few streets away from here, still has Gas
lights and has no intention of changing them until they can't get the
mantel's anymore!..

But I expect some who live down there could afford to buy the gas mantel
factory just for the fun of it all;!...


http://www.flickr.com/photos/8050359@N07/2924600567

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"Andy Burns" <usenet.nov2008@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Jerry wrote:
>
>> "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into the 1960s
>>
>> I think you mean into the 1970s
>
> There's a pub here (in Leicester) that still has it.
>

During the 1970s three day week when there were frequent power cuts, a
Bristol pub I used to frequent managed to resurrect some ancient gas
fittings that hadn't been used for generations (god knows where they got the
mantles from.. I wonder if they are still being manufactured?) I have to say
though that the whole atmosphere seemed so much more pleasant and relaxed,
perhaps it was just the novelty value, or maybe the softer type of
illumination that gaslight gives is preferable to the harsher glare of
electric.

In article <gpijvu$je7$1@news.motzarella.org>, Ivan
<ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> scribeth thus
>
>"Andy Burns" <usenet.nov2008@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:TI6dnfwU1f3vUyHUnZ2dnUVZ8j6WnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> Jerry wrote:
>>
>>> "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into the 1960s
>>>
>>> I think you mean into the 1970s
>>
>> There's a pub here (in Leicester) that still has it.
>>
>
>During the 1970s three day week when there were frequent power cuts, a
>Bristol pub I used to frequent managed to resurrect some ancient gas
>fittings that hadn't been used for generations (god knows where they got the
>mantles from.. I wonder if they are still being manufactured?) I have to say
>though that the whole atmosphere seemed so much more pleasant and relaxed,
>perhaps it was just the novelty value, or maybe the softer type of
>illumination that gaslight gives is preferable to the harsher glare of
>electric.
>

Perhaps it was the fumes from the burnt gas;!...
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"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Barrow road in Cambridge a few streets away from here, still has Gas
> lights and has no intention of changing them until they can't get the
> mantel's anymore!..

Last time I was in London they still had gaslights along the footpath in
Green Park too.. It's the only place I've seen them in real life with the
exception of MOSI.

"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <gpijvu$je7$1@news.motzarella.org>, Ivan
> <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> scribeth thus
>>
>>"Andy Burns" <usenet.nov2008@adslpipe.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:TI6dnfwU1f3vUyHUnZ2dnUVZ8j6WnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>> Jerry wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into the
>>>>> 1960s
>>>>
>>>> I think you mean into the 1970s
>>>
>>> There's a pub here (in Leicester) that still has it.
>>>
>>
>>During the 1970s three day week when there were frequent power cuts, a
>>Bristol pub I used to frequent managed to resurrect some ancient gas
>>fittings that hadn't been used for generations (god knows where they got
>>the
>>mantles from.. I wonder if they are still being manufactured?) I have to
>>say
>>though that the whole atmosphere seemed so much more pleasant and relaxed,
>>perhaps it was just the novelty value, or maybe the softer type of
>>illumination that gaslight gives is preferable to the harsher glare of
>>electric.
>>
>
> Perhaps it was the fumes from the burnt gas;...

  Or the smoke from the open fire... well at least I think it was from the
fire!

On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:06:43 -0000, Ivan wrote:

> (god knows where they got the  mantles from.. I wonder if they are still
> being manufactured?)

Any decent camping/outdoors shop will have gas mantles. Gas or pressurised
paraffin lamps still are the best source of long run time, decent level,
light.

May have to mess about with size/fit but until they are first burnt off
that isn't a problem.

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> "NOSPAM" <nospam@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> <snip>
> :
> : I would have thought the gas-pipe would have made an ideal
> conduit to
> : run the cable through to the light fitting.

> Err, so you shut the station until the work is complete, that
> assumes that one would actually get such a cable through the
> various elbows that would have been used during he installation
> of the gas-pipe?... Duh!

> These day, of course, there are all types of 'robot' small-bore
> tunnelling machines that could be used.



Can't they rig temporary lighting?

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<snip>:
: Can't they rig temporary lighting?

How would they power them?!

Remember that we were talking about technology that was around no
later than the mid 1970s whilst these location had trains passing
at between 50 and 100mph. They could have strung an armoured
cable along the wrought-iron footbridge but even to do that would
have required a full engineering possession of the line which
would have meant that all trains from anywhere between Aberdeen
and London would have terminated a good 40 miles short of the
Capital - as I said, providing electricity to platforms that sit
in the middle of a busy 24/7 mainline railway is not as simple as
it first seems...

Most of these stations (the ones that were not rebuilt/closed)
eventually got electric light when extensive engineering works
were carried out for the lines electrification in the mid '70s.
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"Jerry" <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote in message
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>
> "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:gph63o$1lk$1@news.motzarella.org...
> :
> <snip>
> : IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into
> the 1960s, I
> : was led to believe that this was because they had signed some
> kind of deal
> : with the gas companies decades before to purchase gas at a
> fixed rate.
> :
>
> I think you mean into the 1970s, many of the inner/outer suburban
> commuter stations on the line out of Kings Cross still had gas
> lighting as late as 1975, not only that but most of those gas
> lights still needed a man with a pole to open the gas valve to
> the mantle! I suspect that a more logical reason for not
> modernising such stations was the disruption that would be
> caused, providing electricity to platforms that sit in the middle
> of a busy 24/7 mainline railway is not as simple as it first
> seems...
> --

Many places have underground ducts for all services. Even really old places.

Bill

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <gpgjec$lq8$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>   Graham. <me@privicy.com> wrote:
>>  By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
>> fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s
>
> I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
> owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
> when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.

My gran had gas lights until she moved house in 1953. I used to stand on the
back of the sofa and reach up to poke the mantle, which then collapsed.

Bill

"Bill Wright" <insertmybusinessname@f2s.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:503c56eeb8dave@davenoise.co.uk...
>> In article <gpgjec$lq8$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>>   Graham. <me@privicy.com> wrote:
>>>  By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
>>> fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s
>>
>> I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
>> owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
>> when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.
>
> My gran had gas lights until she moved house in 1953. I used to stand on
> the back of the sofa and reach up to poke the mantle, which then
> collapsed.
>
>

 I presume that you never looked at the fireplace when poking the mantle...
or summat like that anyway!

>
>

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <gphe24$5r8$1@aioe.org>,
> You might be able to for the final run, but electrical conduit usually has
> 'inspection' elbows etc to ease the installation of cable whereas gas iron
> barrel obviously doesn't. Would take more time to do as the gas would have
> to be disconnected first leaving you without light. It would also be
> unusual to convert fittings unless they were very special

A lot of electric lamp posts are converted ex-gas fittings - hence the two
horizontal ladder support poles sticking out near the top.

In article <gpj3ib$rmm$1@aioe.org>,
   jamie powell <jamie_p84@excite.com> wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:503c57bcc7dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <gphe24$5r8$1@aioe.org>, You might be able to for the final
> > run, but electrical conduit usually has 'inspection' elbows etc to
> > ease the installation of cable whereas gas iron barrel obviously
> > doesn't. Would take more time to do as the gas would have to be
> > disconnected first leaving you without light. It would also be unusual
> > to convert fittings unless they were very special

> A lot of electric lamp posts are converted ex-gas fittings - hence the
> two horizontal ladder support poles sticking out near the top.

Oh indeed - and rightly so if it suits the area. However lamp posts are
needed where there is no other place to fit a lamp - like in a street -
but not so in a railway station where a more sensible place is suspended
from the roof. And of course electric lamps require less maintenance.

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On 15 Mar,
     "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <gpgjec$lq8$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>    Graham. <me@privicy.com> wrote:
> >  By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
> > fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s
>
> I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
> owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
> when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.
>
My parents had a gas light in the lounge up until 1965. My dad didn't want it
removing when the house was electrified in the 30s as he wanted an
alternative during power cuts.

My sister's cellar had batswing gas lights in the cellar up until conversion
to North sea gas. She never used them but they still worked when we checked.

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"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> My gran had gas lights until she moved house in 1953. I used to stand on
>> the back of the sofa and reach up to poke the mantle, which then
>> collapsed.
>>
>>
>
> I presume that you never looked at the fireplace when poking the mantle...
> or summat like that anyway!

Ha!

Bill

>> >  By the way, I am pretty sure I remember the trade-mark gas light
>> > fittings in the Cheetham Hill Woolworths store in the late '50s
>>
>> I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
>> owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
>> when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.
>>
> My parents had a gas light in the lounge up until 1965. My dad didn't want
> it
> removing when the house was electrified in the 30s as he wanted an
> alternative during power cuts.
>
> My sister's cellar had batswing gas lights in the cellar up until
> conversion
> to North sea gas. She never used them but they still worked when we
> checked.

When residential property gets converted for retail use, the fixtures
and fittings often get "frozen in time". My work takes me into high-
street pharmacies, and I often see ancient plumbing and gas fittings,
including the remnants of light fittings.

No pictures unfortunately, but I did take this one in a working pharmacy
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox.jpg
and yes, frighteningly it's still in use.
Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg

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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:24:15 -0000, Graham. wrote:

> No pictures unfortunately, but I did take this one in a working pharmacy
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox.jpg
> and yes, frighteningly it's still in use.

With the cover closed it looks fine even has a hook and screw to keep it
closed. Can't comment on the condition of the cables mind. But what is
frightening is the used of a bit of foil instead or a proper fusewire
carrier.

> Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg

Yes, it hasn't been filled in to show what the three fuses are for.

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"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> wrote in
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: On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:24:15 -0000, Graham. wrote:
:
: > No pictures unfortunately, but I did take this one in a
working pharmacy
: > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox.jpg
: > and yes, frighteningly it's still in use.

Must admit that the use of a hard wood box is a bit out of the
"Ark" but many such fuse boxes must still be in use as they were
very common in the '50s and even into the '60s!

:
: With the cover closed it looks fine even has a hook and screw
to keep it
: closed. Can't comment on the condition of the cables mind.

You can see that they are PVC, or at least the red wire is, what
is more of a concern is that the cable looks like it's *lead*
sheathed, if so I would be more concerned about the cables in the
building than what the fuse board is contained within.

 But what is
: frightening is the used of a bit of foil instead or a proper
fusewire
: carrier.

That's not foil, it's actually far more dangerous (in another
way), it's a bit of woven white asbestos cloth used as a
flash-over/molten copper retardant, more modern industrial fuses
still used a similar (non-asbestos) cloth into the 1980s at
least.

"Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:24:15 -0000, Graham. wrote:
>
>> No pictures unfortunately, but I did take this one in a working pharmacy
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox.jpg
>> and yes, frighteningly it's still in use.
>
> With the cover closed it looks fine even has a hook and screw to keep it
> closed. Can't comment on the condition of the cables mind. But what is
> frightening is the used of a bit of foil instead or a proper fusewire
> carrier.

I'm not sure that isn't a trick of the light, I didn't notiice any foil
when I took the picture, there seems to be a step in the ceramic
above the lower contact that is visable

>> Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
>> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg
>
> Yes, it hasn't been filled in to show what the three fuses are for.

12SWG0 amps? you might as well use a 6 inch nail!


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On 15 Mar,
     "Dave Liquorice" <allsortsnotthisbit@howhill.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:24:15 -0000, Graham. wrote:
>
> > No pictures unfortunately, but I did take this one in a working pharmacy
> > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox.jpg
> > and yes, frighteningly it's still in use.
>
> With the cover closed it looks fine even has a hook and screw to keep it
> closed. Can't comment on the condition of the cables mind. But what is
> frightening is the used of a bit of foil instead or a proper fusewire
> carrier.

No. That's a bit of pristine asbestos without any signs of a fuse having
blown. What size is the fuse?

>
> > Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
> > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg
>
> Yes, it hasn't been filled in to show what the three fuses are for.
>
Very true!


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"Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
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>
> No pictures unfortunately, but I did take this one in a working pharmacy
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox.jpg
> and yes, frighteningly it's still in use.
> Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg

Nothing can go wrong with those dovetailed joints.

Bill

In message <gph9td$4n2$1@news.motzarella.org>, Jerry
<mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> writes
>
>"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>:
><snip>
>: IIRC British railways kept their gas lighting going right into
>the 1960s, I
>: was led to believe that this was because they had signed some
>kind of deal
>: with the gas companies decades before to purchase gas at a
>fixed rate.
>:
>
>I think you mean into the 1970s, many of the inner/outer suburban
>commuter stations on the line out of Kings Cross still had gas
>lighting as late as 1975, not only that but most of those gas
>lights still needed a man with a pole to open the gas valve to
>the mantle! I suspect that a more logical reason for not
>modernising such stations was the disruption that would be
>caused, providing electricity to platforms that sit in the middle
>of a busy 24/7 mainline railway is not as simple as it first
>seems...

I believe the last gas-lit station was Brading on the Isle of Wight,
still with gas lamps in 1988.
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:56:21 -0000, Graham. wrote:

> I'm not sure that isn't a trick of the light, I didn't notiice any foil
> when I took the picture, there seems to be a step in the ceramic
> above the lower contact that is visable

Fairy nuff. Just looked like a bit of folded foil poked in with a finger.

> 12SWG0 amps? you might as well use a 6 inch nail!

Naw 6" nails are about 1/4" dia, 12SWG is about 1/10" dia. Remember that a
wire fuse will carry its rated current pretty much indefinately. To get a
fuse to blow in anything like a short period of time (seconds to minutes)
it has to be carrying several times it's rated current.

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<snip>
:
: > 12SWG0 amps? you might as well use a 6 inch nail!
:
: Naw 6" nails are about 1/4" dia, 12SWG is about 1/10" dia.
Remember that a
: wire fuse will carry its rated current pretty much
indefinately. To get a
: fuse to blow in anything like a short period of time (seconds
to minutes)
: it has to be carrying several times it's rated current.
:

Which, I think, was the point being made! Hence why for most
modern applications a MCB type breaker is now the preferred
method of protection, far quicker to detect and protect, OTOH
there are still some applications were the old fashioned wire
fuse (possibly with a inline with a earth leakage RCD) is still
preferred.
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In article <gpl3m1$i31$1@news.motzarella.org>,
   Jerry <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:
> Which, I think, was the point being made! Hence why for most
> modern applications a MCB type breaker is now the preferred
> method of protection, far quicker to detect and protect, OTOH
> there are still some applications were the old fashioned wire
> fuse (possibly with a inline with a earth leakage RCD) is still
> preferred.

Since changing to RCDs they trip each time a bulb fails. Never happened
with fuses. And they are 'C' types.

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Mikeapollo wrote:
> "tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:vDOIuYB$GNvJFwzo@bancom.co.uk...
>
>
>>Barrow road in Cambridge a few streets away from here, still has Gas
>>lights and has no intention of changing them until they can't get the
>>mantel's anymore!..
>
>
> Last time I was in London they still had gaslights along the footpath in
> Green Park too.. It's the only place I've seen them in real life with the
> exception of MOSI.
>
>

Still got them in Langley Street Covent Garden.
Look like recently re-furbished as the gas pipes up the wall to the
fitting looks repaired.
Was there the other week and one lit in daylight so guess the gaspowered
timeswitches they later installed had failed.

Round our way (Ealing) there is a big fuss cos the many times
re-furbished and converted to leccy lamp standards are being removed and
new /motorway style' ones installed,
After much pressure, some of the old ones are being re-furbished yet
again to have new EEC standard fittings.
This has meant making them taller, adding a bit at the bottom to enable
a safety cutout to be installed (they never had one before so if the
cast iron post got hit, it could become live) and fitting new lamp bits.
Whether they will keep some of the 'ladder hooks' still there is yet to
be seen - doubt it tho

Mike

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <gpl3m1$i31$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>    Jerry <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>Which, I think, was the point being made! Hence why for most
>>modern applications a MCB type breaker is now the preferred
>>method of protection, far quicker to detect and protect, OTOH
>>there are still some applications were the old fashioned wire
>>fuse (possibly with a inline with a earth leakage RCD) is still
>>preferred.
>
>
> Since changing to RCDs they trip each time a bulb fails. Never happened
> with fuses. And they are 'C' types.
>

Thats one reason why the STUPID new regulations requiring RCDs
EVERYWHERE state two circuits so at least some lights stay on to enable
re-setting the breakers.
When I did my house originally, I put the light in the cupboard where
the breakers were (Waylex plug-in breakers that fitted the existing fuse
holders!!) on a different circuit so there was always light to see what
had tripped - doubt that is legal now

(now we have to have sockets half way up the wall so they show and all
the wires drooping everywhere show, switches almost on the skirting
board so that tall people like me have to bend down to reach them and no
sockets in a kitchen within about 20ft of water. My cousin's kitchen
area was so small that he was told he couldn't have asocket in tehre for
the kettle/microwave and that they would have to be in the living room -
stupid or what)

Mike

In article <503cde472ddave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <gpl3m1$i31$1@news.motzarella.org>,
>    Jerry <mapson.scarts@btinternet.com.INVALID> wrote:
> > Which, I think, was the point being made! Hence why for most
> > modern applications a MCB type breaker is now the preferred
> > method of protection, far quicker to detect and protect, OTOH
> > there are still some applications were the old fashioned wire
> > fuse (possibly with a inline with a earth leakage RCD) is still
> > preferred.

> Since changing to RCDs they trip each time a bulb fails. Never happened
> with fuses. And they are 'C' types.

Brain fart - should have written MCBs.

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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:12:18 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
> owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
> when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.

When on the snooker in the mid eighties, I very briefly stayed in a hotel
in Sheffield that had gas lighting.  Apparently, this was to satisfy the
fire regulations, as the mains electricity and the gas gave them 'two
independent means of illumination'.  The place reeked of that odourant
they used in the gas and I soon left to find another dig.

G.

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In article <pan.2009.03.16.22.09.57.413992@127.0.0.1>, Gareth
<gareth-see-sig-block@127.0.0.1> writes
>On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 09:12:18 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> I'd guess so - there was a terrace of houses in Aberdeen, presumably all
>> owned by the same landlord, still lit by gas in the late '50s. Past them
>> when going to school. They weren't tucked away either but on a main road.
>
>When on the snooker in the mid eighties, I very briefly stayed in a hotel
>in Sheffield that had gas lighting.  Apparently, this was to satisfy the
>fire regulations, as the mains electricity and the gas gave them 'two
>independent means of illumination'.  The place reeked of that odourant
>they used in the gas and I soon left to find another dig.

I recorded the gas lights at Bristol Hippodrome for radio drama FX in
the mid 1980s. The lights themselves were still in use at least until
about three years ago, I guess for the same reason you mention.

There are still a few gas street lights along the Back Of Kingsdown
Parade in central Bristol.



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In article <pan.2009.03.16.22.09.57.413992@127.0.0.1>, Gareth wrote:
> When on the snooker in the mid eighties, I very briefly stayed in a hotel
> in Sheffield that had gas lighting.  Apparently, this was to satisfy the
> fire regulations, as the mains electricity and the gas gave them 'two
> independent means of illumination'.  The place reeked of that odourant
> they used in the gas and I soon left to find another dig.

Perhaps eventually the regulators saw the irony of a fire regulation that
required a flame?

Rod.
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"Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
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> >> Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
> >> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg
> >
> > Yes, it hasn't been filled in to show what the three fuses are for.
>
> 12SWG0 amps? you might as well use a 6 inch nail!

Nah... They give up at 150A after about 1 min :)

I've seen (from great distance fortunately) steel UPS cabinet door
accidentally short out the 3 phase in-bound busbars on the UPS rack in an
OLO hostel ... which was quite impressive.

It popped the OCB from the grid (with possibly the biggest bang you've ever
heard - taking quite a bit of Salford off-grid with it) and then pretty much
vapourised to thousands of white-hot ball bearings when the generator kicked
in (before that tripped off too)... The bits that weren't vapourised were
pretty much welded into place.

The bizarre thing in that situation is that about 30 seconds later, the
local OCB on the genny supply did as it was supposed to do and reset itself
and everything powered up and worked fine... the cause of the short didn't
exist anymore other than all over the ceiling and floor of the basement in
the utility area of the exchange.

Although I'm not an electrician and not officially trained - a display like
that helps you develop a healthy respect for why the likes of people like me
aren't allowed near those *big* PSU cabinets and gubbins... but also it
makes you wonder about the contractors that turn the power back on without
checking they've hung the door back into place and not left it on the top
across the busbars (which apparently is a standard way to ensure that the
circuit is isolated and remains isolated before working on the HV switch
kit - like a shorting bar).

>Although I'm not an electrician and not officially trained - a display like
>that helps you develop a healthy respect for why the likes of people like me
>aren't allowed near those *big* PSU cabinets and gubbins... but also it
>makes you wonder about the contractors that turn the power back on without
>checking they've hung the door back into place and not left it on the top
>across the busbars (which apparently is a standard way to ensure that the
>circuit is isolated and remains isolated before working on the HV switch
>kit - like a shorting bar).
>
>

Good idea that .. I did a similar thing many years ago when the idiot
son of the boss I was working for switched everything back on just
because he wanted to use the kettle and took sod all noticed of the tape
across where the fuses went in and it never occurred to the prat why the
fuses were out in the first place..

Still the bang was at his end as I'd wrapped a load of bare wire around
the cable we were working on!...
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<snip>
:
: Good idea that .. I did a similar thing many years ago when the
idiot
: son of the boss I was working for switched everything back on
just
: because he wanted to use the kettle and took sod all noticed of
the tape
: across where the fuses went in and it never occurred to the
prat why the
: fuses were out in the first place..
:

Been in your situation myself and got the tea-shirt!

ALWAYS put the fuses in your pocket, failing that (some fuses can
be quite large...) in your tool box or in some other way keep
them with you. If working with MCB/RCD breakers or switch boxes
then use the appropriate locking devices that manufactures offer
and keep the key with you.
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"Mikeapollo" <usenet@.removethisbit.mikeapollo.net> wrote in message
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> "Graham." <me@privicy.com> wrote in message
> news:gpk4j6$rr1$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>> >> Even more frightening is the table of wire sizes in the door
>> >> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/infoweb/fusebox2.jpg
>> >
>> > Yes, it hasn't been filled in to show what the three fuses are for.
>>
>> 12SWG0 amps? you might as well use a 6 inch nail!
>
> Nah... They give up at 150A after about 1 min :)
>
> I've seen (from great distance fortunately) steel UPS cabinet door
> accidentally short out the 3 phase in-bound busbars on the UPS rack in an
> OLO hostel ... which was quite impressive.
>
> It popped the OCB from the grid (with possibly the biggest bang you've
> ever
> heard - taking quite a bit of Salford off-grid with it) and then pretty
> much
> vapourised to thousands of white-hot ball bearings when the generator
> kicked
> in (before that tripped off too)... The bits that weren't vapourised were
> pretty much welded into place.
>
> The bizarre thing in that situation is that about 30 seconds later, the
> local OCB on the genny supply did as it was supposed to do and reset
> itself
> and everything powered up and worked fine... the cause of the short didn't
> exist anymore other than all over the ceiling and floor of the basement in
> the utility area of the exchange.
>
> Although I'm not an electrician and not officially trained - a display
> like
> that helps you develop a healthy respect for why the likes of people like
> me
> aren't allowed near those *big* PSU cabinets and gubbins... but also it
> makes you wonder about the contractors that turn the power back on without
> checking they've hung the door back into place and not left it on the top
> across the busbars (which apparently is a standard way to ensure that the
> circuit is isolated and remains isolated before working on the HV switch
> kit - like a shorting bar).

The isolation and shorting-bar are as separate as belt and braces.
Those of us above a certain age will remember this:

http://www.zen77094.zen.co.uk/vintagebroadcasting/audio/135.mp3

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