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Do you have any car washes near you? I have a whole bunch of Self Wash
Car washes around me. And the preasure washers have a warm water
function where they spray warm water instead of cold and that will keep
you from freezing.

Avanti wrote:
> I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming off
> and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
> which gives a nice foam.

I never use anything detergent, just plain water from the hose pipe,
and a bucket of hot water.

This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
 Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
have to wait until it warms up :-(

I can't remember it being this bad last year.

DervMan wrote:
> <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > I never use anything detergent, just plain water from the hose pipe,
> > and a bucket of hot water.
>
> I thought you looked after your car?

I do, I don't like the soapy things though, water works great!

> > This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> > my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> > driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
>
> "Aw diddums" springs to mind.  Don't use the hose pipe then.  Use a bucket
> and sponge, minimises the loss.

Yeah, but I can't do it properly.  I like to get the jet on the
underside of the car, and around the wheel arches.

> > Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> > have to wait until it warms up :-(
> >
> > I can't remember it being this bad last year.
>
> Pah.  Can you remember this time last month?

I think there was only one week in the past where I couldn't wash it
due to the cold conditions.

DervMan wrote:
> <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1132511550.628481.210360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> > DervMan wrote:
> >>
> >> I thought you looked after your car?
> >
> > I do, I don't like the soapy things though, water works great!
> >
> >
> > Yeah, but I can't do it properly.  I like to get the jet on the
> > underside of the car, and around the wheel arches.
>
> Yes you can, it just requires more effort.  But it won't annoy the
> neighbours or the local water board so much.
>
> Besides, do you have to do every square inch each and every time you wash
> it?  Not really.

I usually do, but when the roads get salty it'll be more important for
me to wash every inch.

btw, the 'rust' on my car doesn't seem to be getting any worse, and
I've decided to keep my car for at least another year.  I went to my
local Fiat dealer to look at a Panda, but they don't do Fiats now :-(.
Hopefully when I want/need to replace my car in the future there will
be some better small cars on the market.  Manufacturers just don't seem
to want to make fast, economical and practical small cars these days
:-(.

"Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming off
> and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?

Wear woolen fingerless gloves...

> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
> which gives a nice foam.



--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

Avanti <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote:

> I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming off
> and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
> which gives a nice foam.
> Thanks in advance.

Flash car wash kit.

You don't have to dip your hands in a bucket of water. The soap sprays
on, you wipe the car over with a sponge then rinse it down. Works really
well, and takes about 15 mins to do an average sized car.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

<petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Avanti wrote:
> > I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> > want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> > even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> > I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming off
> > and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> > I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
> > which gives a nice foam.
>
> I never use anything detergent, just plain water from the hose pipe,
> and a bucket of hot water.
>
> This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
>  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> have to wait until it warms up :-(
>
> I can't remember it being this bad last year.

Oh, ffs!

Words fail me.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1h6c0x3.1sf3tr92k70u0N%steve@italiancar.co.uk...
> <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Avanti wrote:
> > > I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt
etc, I
> > > want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me
and
> > > even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> > > I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming
off
> > > and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> > > I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high
pressure
> > > which gives a nice foam.
> >
> > I never use anything detergent, just plain water from the hose pipe,
> > and a bucket of hot water.
> >
> > This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> > my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> > driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
> >  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> > have to wait until it warms up :-(
> >
> > I can't remember it being this bad last year.
>
> Oh, ffs!
>
> Words fail me.
> --

lol

In article <1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
   <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
>  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> have to wait until it warms up :-(

Put some salt in the water. This will help stop it freezing.

--
*Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things?

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4dccdc2626dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> In article <1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>    <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> > my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> > driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
> >  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> > have to wait until it warms up :-(
>
> Put some salt in the water. This will help stop it freezing.

So does using detergent in the water and not rinsing. Ok you end up with a
slightly streaky car but you'll still have to scrape the ice off the car
windows tomorrow morning and that gets rid of streaks on the glass.

Chris

<petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Avanti wrote:
>> I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
>> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
>> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
>> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming
>> off
>> and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
>> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
>> which gives a nice foam.
>
> I never use anything detergent, just plain water from the hose pipe,
> and a bucket of hot water.

I thought you looked after your car?

> This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.

"Aw diddums" springs to mind.  Don't use the hose pipe then.  Use a bucket
and sponge, minimises the loss.

> Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> have to wait until it warms up :-(
>
> I can't remember it being this bad last year.

Pah.  Can you remember this time last month?

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

In article <Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
 "Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote:

> I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.

I have a pair of neoprene gloves similar to what divers wear.  I've had
them years and don't recall where I got them from (never dived in my
life), but I use those and my hands never get cold unlike the rest of me.

cheers,
Paul
--
paul@spamcop.net

Chris Dugan <chrisdotdugan@bloodyobvious.co.uk> wrote:

> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:4dccdc2626dave@davenoise.co.uk...
> > In article <1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >    <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> > > my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> > > driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
> > >  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> > > have to wait until it warms up :-(
> >
> > Put some salt in the water. This will help stop it freezing.
>
> So does using detergent in the water and not rinsing. Ok you end up with a
> slightly streaky car but you'll still have to scrape the ice off the car
> windows tomorrow morning and that gets rid of streaks on the glass.

You don't get streaks if you use a Flash kit.

--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

<petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132511550.628481.210360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> DervMan wrote:
>> <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > I never use anything detergent, just plain water from the hose pipe,
>> > and a bucket of hot water.
>>
>> I thought you looked after your car?
>
> I do, I don't like the soapy things though, water works great!
>
>> > This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
>> > my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
>> > driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
>>
>> "Aw diddums" springs to mind.  Don't use the hose pipe then.  Use a
>> bucket
>> and sponge, minimises the loss.
>
> Yeah, but I can't do it properly.  I like to get the jet on the
> underside of the car, and around the wheel arches.

Yes you can, it just requires more effort.  But it won't annoy the
neighbours or the local water board so much.

Besides, do you have to do every square inch each and every time you wash
it?  Not really.

>> > Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
>> > have to wait until it warms up :-(
>> >
>> > I can't remember it being this bad last year.
>>
>> Pah.  Can you remember this time last month?
>
> I think there was only one week in the past where I couldn't wash it
> due to the cold conditions.

Pah.

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

<petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Besides, do you have to do every square inch each and every time you wash
> > it?  Not really.
>
> I usually do, but when the roads get salty it'll be more important for
> me to wash every inch.
>
> btw, the 'rust' on my car doesn't seem to be getting any worse, and
> I've decided to keep my car for at least another year.  I went to my
> local Fiat dealer to look at a Panda, but they don't do Fiats now :-(.
> Hopefully when I want/need to replace my car in the future there will
> be some better small cars on the market.  Manufacturers just don't seem
> to want to make fast, economical and practical small cars these days
> :-(.

<using Peter's likely definition of fast and small>

Apart from:

Panda, Ka, Arosa, Lupo, Smart 4-2, lots of funny little Japanese things,
the Daewoo Matiz etc, etc..... oh, and don't forget the new Peuyotron
C107ygo.
--
Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 2.0 TSpark Lusso - Fiat Marea 20v HLX -  COSOC KOTL
BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1h6c0x3.1sf3tr92k70u0N%steve@italiancar.co.uk...
> <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Avanti wrote:
[snip]


> >
> > I can't remember it being this bad last year.
>
> Oh, ffs!
>
> Words fail me.


The poster has a point, just one episode of snow which didn't stick and I
rarely remember having to get ice off the car, definately not this side of
Xmas, February perhaps...perhaps the weather folk are gonna be right this
year....

petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote on 20 Nov 2005 11:01:53 -0800:
> btw, the 'rust' on my car doesn't seem to be getting any worse, and
> I've decided to keep my car for at least another year.  I went to my
> local Fiat dealer to look at a Panda, but they don't do Fiats now :-(.

It's doubtful that they're your local Fiat dealer, then.

--
David Taylor

"Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote


> Put some salt in the water. This will help stop it freezing.



As well as stripping all of the wax from the car. For the same reason you
shouldn't use washing up liquid.



--
Regards, Vince

www.TruckDrivingInRussia.co.uk

"Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming off
> and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
> which gives a nice foam.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
I have the solution. Don't wash if it's freezing.

--
Malc

"How dare you take advantage of MY blithering idiot!"

The message <R86gf.12411$Lw5.4590@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
from "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> contains these words:

> I have the solution. Don't wash if it's freezing.

I prefer my solution. Don't wash.

--
Skipweasel
Never knowingly understood. (Ivor Cutler)

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:30:41 GMT, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The message <R86gf.12411$Lw5.4590@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
>from "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> contains these words:
>
>> I have the solution. Don't wash if it's freezing.
>
>I prefer my solution. Don't wash.

Here here!

Erm... We're still talking about cars, aren't we?

Cheers,

Colin.

On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:01:53 +0000, Colin Stamp
<col.dustbin@stamp.plus.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:30:41 GMT, Guy King <guy.king@zetnet.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>The message <R86gf.12411$Lw5.4590@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>
>>from "Malc" <malunspamwhhite@lightindigooverthere.co.uk> contains these words:
>>
>>> I have the solution. Don't wash if it's freezing.
>>
>>I prefer my solution. Don't wash.
>
>Here here!
>
>Erm... We're still talking about cars, aren't we?
>

Yebbut - yer bum don't rot if you get salt stuck up it.
--

Ian

The message <6362o1drmbjqv1uktpu8htkq277rbadsvo@4ax.com>
from Ian Dalziel <iandalziel@lineone.net> contains these words:

> Yebbut - yer bum don't rot if you get salt stuck up it.

Personal experience or supposition. Or suppository.

--
Skipweasel
Never knowingly understood. (Ivor Cutler)

petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:
> This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
>  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> have to wait until it warms up :-(

Sell the flippin' thing, start travelling by bus, and subscribe to
uk.rec.knitting instead of here.

"Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming off
> and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high pressure
> which gives a nice foam.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>

take it to a car wash, you can even leave the engine running
so its nice n warm inside.

KJ

"Chris Bacon" <chrispbacon@thai.com> wrote in message
news:4381bab9$1_2@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com wrote:
> > This weather is bad though, I don't know what to do.  I haven't washed
> > my car for a week, at the driveway is still frosty.  If I wash it the
> > driveway (and possibly parts of my car) will become icy, and dangerous.
> >  Some of the water usually runs into the road too.  I think I'll just
> > have to wait until it warms up :-(
>
> Sell the flippin' thing, start travelling by bus, and subscribe to
> uk.rec.knitting instead of here.

lol @ chris :o)

"Kirk Johnson" <kj@fist.com> wrote in message
news:1132583009.42325.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
>
> "Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> >I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
> > want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
> > even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
> > I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge coming
off
> > and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the winter?
> > I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high
pressure
> > which gives a nice foam.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
>
> take it to a car wash, you can even leave the engine running
> so its nice n warm inside.

The car wash brushes leaves light scratches on the car......

Avanti wrote:
> "Kirk Johnson" <kj@fist.com> wrote in message
> news:1132583009.42325.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
>>
>> "Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>> I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt
>>> etc, I want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is
>>> against me and even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
>>> I was thinking of using a Sponge mop, bit wary about the sponge
>>> coming off and scratching the car, any tips on washing through the
>>> winter?
>>> I have a pressure washer but it does not apply detergent at high
>>> pressure which gives a nice foam.
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> take it to a car wash, you can even leave the engine running
>> so its nice n warm inside.
>
> The car wash brushes leaves light scratches on the car......

Do what I do - buy a car with light and not-so-light scratches already. Car
wash? no problem. Country lane scrape on a hedge - no problem. Bit of a bash
from a supermarket trolley - so what?

It's only metal. get over it!

> Flash car wash kit.
>
Morrisons in Coventry - reduced to 14.99

"PC Paul" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:1vudnW1f7NTKth_eRVnygA@brightview.com...

>>>
>>> take it to a car wash, you can even leave the engine running
>>> so its nice n warm inside.
>>
>> The car wash brushes leaves light scratches on the car......
>
> Do what I do - buy a car with light and not-so-light scratches already.
> Car wash? no problem. Country lane scrape on a hedge - no problem. Bit of
> a bash from a supermarket trolley - so what?
>
> It's only metal. get over it!
>
That's the spirit. The bloody things depreciate so flaming rapidly that it's
hardly worth keeping them pristine. Rust free yes, scratch and dent free sod
that.

--
Malc

"How dare you take advantage of MY blithering idiot!"

"PC Paul" <me@home.com> wrote in message
news:1vudnW1f7NTKth_eRVnygA@brightview.com...
> Avanti wrote:

[snip]

> > The car wash brushes leaves light scratches on the car......
>
> Do what I do - buy a car with light and not-so-light scratches already.
Car
> wash? no problem.

The car was purchased brand new so I would not have been chuffed if it was
delievered with scratches, it is my 1st ever new car , I only wish to keep
it looking brand new as long as possible.

Avanti (martin.collins@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

>> Do what I do - buy a car with light and not-so-light scratches
>> already. Car wash? no problem.

> The car was purchased brand new so I would not have been chuffed if it
> was delievered with scratches, it is my 1st ever new car ,

A fool and his money...

> I only wish to keep it looking brand new as long as possible.

Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any kind
of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor 'ickle thing
is?

In article <1132500448.228188.24390@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...
>I never use anything detergent,
>
So you have never washed your car then, just thrown a bit of water
arround.
Bit like rain really.
--
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
Homepage: http://www.bouncing-czechs.com

In article <1h6c9rb.41h3ssu7jybhN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>,
steve@italiancar.co.uk says...
>You don't get streaks if you use a Flash kit.
>
Or proper car shampoo and a chammy afterwards, aren't a big soft girl.
--
Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
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In article <1132513313.867048.161770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...
>Manufacturers just don't seem
>to want to make fast, economical and practical small cars these days
>:-(.
>
>
Peter unless you have stupid ammounts of money to spend in the first
place, you are looking at a 2 from 3 compromise.
For normal money you can have
fast and economical
fast and practical
economical and practical
in a small car, but not all three.
BTW, in terms of fast I'm talking 0-60 sub 7 seconds, top speed 110-130.
practical seats 4 and luggage
economical at least 35-40 to the gallon on a cruise.
And not be a diesel.
Not many economical to buy cars pass those tests.


--
Carl Robson
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In article <Ka%ff.42294$375.17692@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
martin.collins@btinternet.com says...
>I usually handwash my car, as winter is here and frost , road salt etc, I
>want to stay on top of a weekly wash, however the cold is against me and
>even using rubber gloves , my hands are freezing.
>
Do it a few times and you get used to it.
My car usually gets a wash, wax and service at new year.
Sometimes even new years day. It is something to do while the hangover
goes away.

If it is really cold, use marigolds. If it is actually sub zero, leave
it until the first melt day.

Oh and don't wash it weekly, monthly is fine. Wax it 3 monthly. Polish
it 6 monthly, but only if it is starting to dull.

Works for me.
If you worry about salt and road spray underneath, go to a jet wash
weekly, stick in a token and blast the underside and the inner arches.
Much quicker and more efficient than trying to hose and brush under
there.
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Carl Robson
Car PC Build starts again. http://smallr.com/rz
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"Avanti" <martin.collins@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> take it to a car wash, you can even leave the engine running
>> so its nice n warm inside.
>
> The car wash brushes leaves light scratches on the car......

Not if you take it to a Hand wash.

In news:1132513313.867048.161770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> decided to enlighten
our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
> DervMan wrote:
>> <petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1132511550.628481.210360@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>> DervMan wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I thought you looked after your car?
>>>
>>> I do, I don't like the soapy things though, water works great!
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, but I can't do it properly.  I like to get the jet on the
>>> underside of the car, and around the wheel arches.
>>
>> Yes you can, it just requires more effort.  But it won't annoy the
>> neighbours or the local water board so much.
>>
>> Besides, do you have to do every square inch each and every time you
>> wash it?  Not really.
>
> I usually do, but when the roads get salty it'll be more important for
> me to wash every inch.
>
> btw, the 'rust' on my car doesn't seem to be getting any worse, and
> I've decided to keep my car for at least another year.  I went to my
> local Fiat dealer to look at a Panda, but they don't do Fiats now :-(.
> Hopefully when I want/need to replace my car in the future there will
> be some better small cars on the market.  Manufacturers just don't
> seem to want to make fast, economical and practical small cars these
> days :-(.

Are you sure they're not just telling you that?

I think they're still Fiat dealers, they just don't want a halfwitted,
know-nothing numbskull wandering round their showroom carpet looking at the
coffee machine and complaining that "The decaf is pinking" and "This Punto
is too big".

You appear to have failed repeatedly to understand anything to do with cars,
or indeed life itself.

You seem to want a car the size of a postage stamp that uses no fuel, has
the interior space of the tardis, will carry 41 people with luggage at 200
mph, with a list price of £0.41.

It ain't gonna happen, so fuck off and leave people who enjoy cars to enjoy
'em.


--
Pete M

Alfa 155
Ford Capri (still broked)
Porsche 911 3.2 (For Sale - ebay soon)
COSOC #5, OMF#9
Scouse Git extraordinaire. Liverpool, Great Britain

"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9716526C852C4adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
> Avanti (martin.collins@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
>>> Do what I do - buy a car with light and not-so-light scratches
>>> already. Car wash? no problem.
>
>> The car was purchased brand new so I would not have been chuffed if it
>> was delievered with scratches, it is my 1st ever new car ,
>
> A fool and his money...
>
>> I only wish to keep it looking brand new as long as possible.
>
> Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any kind
> of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor 'ickle thing
> is?

Fiat Siecento?

As you were...

--
The DervMan
www.dervman.com

DervMan (dervman@ntlworld.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying :

>> Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any
>> kind of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor
>> 'ickle thing is?

> Fiat Siecento?
>
> As you were...

<grin> Like I said - it's not going to make any difference...

But my reply was to Avanti who, IIRC, has blown a shitload of folding on a
new Golf. Hence the "fool and his money" comment...

"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9716526C852C4adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
> Avanti (martin.collins@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
> >> Do what I do - buy a car with light and not-so-light scratches
> >> already. Car wash? no problem.
>
> > The car was purchased brand new so I would not have been chuffed if it
> > was delievered with scratches, it is my 1st ever new car ,
>
> A fool and his money...

Work hard play hard , no point having the money in the bank for someone else
to enjoy when I pass away ;-p

> > I only wish to keep it looking brand new as long as possible.
>
> Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any kind
> of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor 'ickle thing
> is?

Whether a week or 2 it will still need washing eventually, it's a VW so I
doubt it is fickle judging on my previous examples.

On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:34:50 GMT, "DervMan" <dervman@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns9716526C852C4adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

>> Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any kind
>> of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor 'ickle thing
>> is?
>
>Fiat Siecento?

Fragile they may appear, but chuck away the unnecessary bits (like glass
and interior) and they blow away everything else in class on an
autograss circuit!
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Avanti (martin.collins@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

>> Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any
>> kind of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor
>> 'ickle thing is?

> Whether a week or 2 it will still need washing eventually, it's a VW
> so I doubt it is fickle judging on my previous examples.

Right. So wash it when it's fucking filthy and the weather's decent again.
NO point in washing it when it'll get just as bad as soon as you take it
out again.

I had a Mk3 Golf GTi as a long-term rental. Got it with next-to-nothing on
the clock. Ran it through winter. Shoved it through the petrol station
carwash 10 mins before the rental company took it back. With 12,000 miles
on it. Lo, it was back to white again.

*Horrible* car, it was.

NeedforSwede2 wrote:
> In article <1132513313.867048.161770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com says...
> >Manufacturers just don't seem
> >to want to make fast, economical and practical small cars these days
> >:-(.
> >
> >
> Peter unless you have stupid ammounts of money to spend in the first
> place, you are looking at a 2 from 3 compromise.

Well, there is one car I like, but it's a kit car, and would probably
cost over £20,000, or a little more if it's prebuilt.  However, normal
manufacturers don't make anything like this.

> For normal money you can have
> fast and economical
> fast and practical
> economical and practical
> in a small car, but not all three.

Oh.  A Fiat Seicento with a 1.2 16v would suit me, but they never built
them with that engine.  In my opinion this would be fast, economical,
and practical.

> BTW, in terms of fast I'm talking 0-60 sub 7 seconds, top speed 110-130.

lol, fast for me would be 0-60 in around 10s, I would consider less
than 7 seconds to be 'very fast', and I wouldn't want it would be a
waste on public roads (I don't want to argue about this btw, it's an
opinion, I'm not stating it as a fact).

> practical seats 4 and luggage

2 seats and luggage would be enough for me.

> economical at least 35-40 to the gallon on a cruise.
> And not be a diesel.

economical for me would be at least 40mpg, but I genereally prefer a
bit higher than that.

> Not many economical to buy cars pass those tests.

I wasn't thinking about 'economical to buy', I was thinking about any
car.

"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9716CF0ABAA54adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
> Avanti (martin.collins@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
> like they were saying :
>
> >> Get real - not washing it for a week or two is NOT going to make any
> >> kind of long-lasting difference. How fragile do you think the poor
> >> 'ickle thing is?
>
> > Whether a week or 2 it will still need washing eventually, it's a VW
> > so I doubt it is fickle judging on my previous examples.
>
> Right. So wash it when it's fucking filthy and the weather's decent again.
> NO point in washing it when it'll get just as bad as soon as you take it
> out again.

 I may as well not  put fuel in it then, it will only need topping up later
on ;-p

Avanti (martin.collins@btinternet.com) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

>> Right. So wash it when it's fucking filthy and the weather's decent
>> again. NO point in washing it when it'll get just as bad as soon as
>> you take it out again.

> I may as well not  put fuel in it then, it will only need topping up
> later on ;-p

Yeh, you're right. Dirty cars don't actually work, do they?

 (petermcmillan_uk@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying :

> Well, there is one car I like, but it's a kit car, and would probably
> cost over £20,000, or a little more if it's prebuilt.  However, normal
> manufacturers don't make anything like this.

And it is?

> Oh.  A Fiat Seicento with a 1.2 16v would suit me, but they never built
> them with that engine.  In my opinion this would be fast

<boggle>

> I wasn't thinking about 'economical to buy', I was thinking about any
> car.

Sounds like you need an Elise.

"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns971767EF2258Fadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...

>> Oh.  A Fiat Seicento with a 1.2 16v would suit me, but they never built
>> them with that engine.  In my opinion this would be fast
>
> <boggle>

No, he's not being unreasonable here. Fast is relative. Somebody else posted
a requirement of sub-7sec 0-60 for fast. But that's tortoise slow compared
to a decent bike. It's all just labels.

Or you could think of it this way : Would you want Peter driving anything
you consider fast?

cheers,
clive

In message <43844aff$0$82663$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Clive
George <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns971767EF2258Fadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
>
>>> Oh.  A Fiat Seicento with a 1.2 16v would suit me, but they never built
>>> them with that engine.  In my opinion this would be fast
>>
>> <boggle>
>
>No, he's not being unreasonable here. Fast is relative. Somebody else posted
>a requirement of sub-7sec 0-60 for fast. But that's tortoise slow compared
>to a decent bike. It's all just labels.

It is, but what a 1.2 Seicento would do hasn't been fast for a car for a
long time. That wouldn't be  well into the realms of "slow" by most
people's definition.

< 10s to sixty is where "not slow" begins, IMO.

>Or you could think of it this way : Would you want Peter driving anything
>you consider fast?

Would it make any difference?

--
Steve Walker

"Steve Walker" <steve@otolith.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:IE03HkMuJFhDFwOv@otolith.demon.co.uk...
> In message <43844aff$0$82663$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>, Clive
> George <clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>>"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:Xns971767EF2258Fadrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.244.170...
>>
>>>> Oh.  A Fiat Seicento with a 1.2 16v would suit me, but they never built
>>>> them with that engine.  In my opinion this would be fast
>>>
>>> <boggle>
>>
>>No, he's not being unreasonable here. Fast is relative. Somebody else
>>posted
>>a requirement of sub-7sec 0-60 for fast. But that's tortoise slow compared
>>to a decent bike. It's all just labels.
>
> It is, but what a 1.2 Seicento would do hasn't been fast for a car for a
> long time. That wouldn't be  well into the realms of "slow" by most
> people's definition.
>
> < 10s to sixty is where "not slow" begins, IMO.

Tee hee - why do you accept that it's just labels, then dispute it
immediately?

I don't have a personal universal definition of 'fast' or 'not slow' - but
then I'm not racing.

(eg I think that a top speed of 88mph is actually incredibly fast, a totally
impressive feat).

cheers,
clive