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"Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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> "Don Pearce" <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
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>
>> You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
>> chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.
>>
>> d
>>
> He already has:-)
>
> Interesting. As soon as something is no longer available,
> everyone wants it.  He told me there were some 50 commission
> bids, about the same number of telephone bids, and more than
> 100 people in the room.
>
> From a British record catalogue I see that the original LP was priced
> at 4s11p.  So, if now sold at UKP200, it has "risen" in value 800
> times.
> I wonder if anyone will pay UKP12,000 for a CD in the year 2054?

So much for your false claim that he

"...bought the vinyl for the sheer musical enjoyment"

He bought and sold it as a financial gambit, unless you define buying and
selling collectables as "sheer musical enjoyment".

IOW, thanks Ian for contradicting yourself within about 3 posts!

LOL!.

"Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> So much for your false claim that he
>>
>> "...bought the vinyl for the sheer musical enjoyment"
>>
>> He bought and sold it as a financial gambit, unless you define
>> buying and selling collectables as "sheer musical enjoyment".
>
>
> Arny. Please read again. He bought it, but *did not/will not*  sell
> it. He did indeed acquire it for the sheer musical enjoyment.

No Ian, now you are trying to cover up the fact that you can't write
clearly.

"Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> "Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
>> news:cpk4be$kel$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
>>> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>> news:XaidnXiJo9JQDyDcRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
>>>> So much for your false claim that he
>>>>
>>>> "...bought the vinyl for the sheer musical enjoyment"
>>>>
>>>> He bought and sold it as a financial gambit, unless you define
>>>> buying and selling collectables as "sheer musical enjoyment".
>>>
>>>
>>> Arny. Please read again. He bought it, but *did not/will not*  sell
>>> it. He did indeed acquire it for the sheer musical enjoyment.
>>
>> No Ian, now you are trying to cover up the fact that you can't write
>> clearly.
>
> I think the meaning of my message was totally clear.

Of course you do. You probably can't separate what you wrote from what you
were thinking. They are often two different things, you know!

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:44:32 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
<tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote:

>I recorded a jazz concert earlier this week.
>A Swedish tenor saxophone player in the
>band, a guy in his early 30's,
>told me that he had just come back
>from an auction in Berlin,  where he had
>bought a sealed vinyl pressing of
>"DUKE ELLINGTON LIVE AT NEWPORT"
>(the legendary concert recorded in 1956
>where Paul Gonsalves played an astounding
>27 chorus solo in "Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue")
>
>He bought the album in auction and paid Euro286
>that's UKP200.  It was a sealed review copy.
>
>He told me also that he has the double CD (Euro23)
>with lots of previously unreleased material, which he
>bought as a tool to enable him to learn and evaluate the
>construction of the Gonsalves solo, being able to stop,
>start and loop the CD player as and when required.
>
>He grinned and added, " But I bought the vinyl for
>the sheer musical enjoyment"
>
>Iain
>

You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:03:07 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
<tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote:

>
>"Don Pearce" <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
>news:41bd5708.5326046@212.159.2.87...
>
>> You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
>> chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.
>>
>> d
>>
>He already has:-)
>
>Interesting. As soon as something is no longer available,
>everyone wants it.  He told me there were some 50 commission
>bids, about the same number of telephone bids, and more than
>100 people in the room.
>
>From a British record catalogue I see that the original LP was priced
>at 4s11p.  So, if now sold at UKP200, it has "risen" in value 800 times.
>
>I wonder if anyone will pay UKP12,000 for a CD in the year 2054?
>
>:-)
>
>Iain
>
>

I'm shocked! As for future value for CDs, that is really hard to say.
It is quite possible that all the source material is going to remain
in essentially perfect condition, just circulating round the Internet
like he flying dutchman. So if anybody is going to pay huge bucks for
a CD, it won't be on the basis of wanting the music, but out of
nostalgia for the physical object.

I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
the CD with all its printing.

Sometimes I might even listen to it!

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:03:07 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
>
> I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
> from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
> and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
> hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
> the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
> the CD with all its printing.
>
> Sometimes I might even listen to it!
>
> d
>
> Pearce Consulting
> http://www.pearce.uk.com

I have to agree. I have been known to downloaded an album while I was
waiting for CDWOW to deliver it to me from Hong Kong (or wherever they
are!). That's what I don't understand about all this MP3 stuff, the pleasure
of flipping through a pile of CD's, turning them over and looking what
tracks are on them, physically loading the player and pressing play is a
dying pleasure I feel!

Keep well,

Will

--
Will Reeve

"Don Pearce" <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
news:41bd5708.5326046@212.159.2.87...

> You really think he's going to break the seal on that record? Not a
> chance! That is going to be sold again in a few years just as it is.
>
> d
>
He already has:-)

Interesting. As soon as something is no longer available,
everyone wants it.  He told me there were some 50 commission
bids, about the same number of telephone bids, and more than
100 people in the room.

>From a British record catalogue I see that the original LP was priced
at 4s11p.  So, if now sold at UKP200, it has "risen" in value 800 times.

I wonder if anyone will pay UKP12,000 for a CD in the year 2054?

:-)

Iain

"Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> "Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
>> news:cpk5hp$n9k$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
>>> I think the meaning of my message was totally clear.
>>
>> Of course you do. You probably can't separate what you wrote from
>> what you were thinking. They are often two different things, you
>> know!
> Well. we got there in the end:-)
>
> Everyone else seemed to understand my meaning -
> including the chap who wrote to me off-group to see if he
> could buy the album (that's how I know that the new proud
> owner is not willing to sell it:-)

Iain, I'm very sure that at least several hundred people read this forum. In
the absence of a corresponding number of confirming posts, I know that your
word is not to be taken at face value.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:22:20 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
<tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote:

>
>"Don Pearce" <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
>news:41be5e32.7159875@212.159.2.87...
>> I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
>> from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
>> and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
>> hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
>> the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
>> the CD with all its printing.
>>
>> Sometimes I might even listen to it!
>>
>> d
>
>For many, that is an added attraction of boxed vinyl sets.
>I have both the vinyl and CD versions of "My Ladye Neville's Booke"
>early keyboard music by William Byrd published in 1591.
>
>The vinyl set (8 sides) includes a wonderful 11.5x11.5 inch
>22 page book, including a colour facsimile of the original.
>
>The CD, also has a tiny, barely readable booklet,
>which pales in comparison.
>
>Perhaps I should listen to the CD, and look at the vinyl:-)
>
>Cordially,
>
>Iain
>
>
>
An argument for boxed vinyl, certainly, but ordinary vinyl comes with
just what they can fit on the back cover, which is never much. The CD
booklet beats that every time - even when as usual it is printed in
red on a slightly lighter shade of red.

Good idea in the last para, though!

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
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>
> "Don Pearce" <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
> news:41be5e32.7159875@212.159.2.87...
>> I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
>> from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
>> and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
>> hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
>> the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
>> the CD with all its printing.
>>
>> Sometimes I might even listen to it!
>>
>> d
>
> For many, that is an added attraction of boxed vinyl sets.
> I have both the vinyl and CD versions of "My Ladye Neville's Booke"
> early keyboard music by William Byrd published in 1591.
>
> The vinyl set (8 sides) includes a wonderful 11.5x11.5 inch
> 22 page book, including a colour facsimile of the original.
>
> The CD, also has a tiny, barely readable booklet,
> which pales in comparison.
>
> Perhaps I should listen to the CD, and look at the vinyl:-)
>
> Cordially,
>
> Iain
>
>
>
>

Iain, the CD booklet must be read digitally. You extend a digit* to scan
just underneath the text you are reading.

* Digital Pinky (-;

Mike

"Don Pearce" <donald@pearce.uk.com> wrote in message
news:41be5e32.7159875@212.159.2.87...
> I even get that about new stuff - I know I can get any music I want
> from the Internet, and I could ask friends to make copies of stuff,
> and they would be perfect. But I want the CD. I want to spend half an
> hour breaking through the shrink wrap. I want to feel the weight of
> the booklet, and read all the words for no good reason. I want to see
> the CD with all its printing.
>
> Sometimes I might even listen to it!
>
> d

For many, that is an added attraction of boxed vinyl sets.
I have both the vinyl and CD versions of "My Ladye Neville's Booke"
early keyboard music by William Byrd published in 1591.

The vinyl set (8 sides) includes a wonderful 11.5x11.5 inch
22 page book, including a colour facsimile of the original.

The CD, also has a tiny, barely readable booklet,
which pales in comparison.

Perhaps I should listen to the CD, and look at the vinyl:-)

Cordially,

Iain

"Mike Gilmour" <mike@tfjazz.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:WPWdnW1KH9nyFSDcRVn-uA@nildram.net...

> Iain, the CD booklet must be read digitally. You extend a digit* to scan
> just underneath the text you are reading.
>
> * Digital Pinky (-;
>
> Mike


Ahaa!  thanks for the tip Mike. I put the booklet
under my bench magnifier while holding it in my hand,
and got sidetracked by my manicure,
or lack of one:-)

Iain

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:XaidnXiJo9JQDyDcRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> So much for your false claim that he
>
> "...bought the vinyl for the sheer musical enjoyment"
>
> He bought and sold it as a financial gambit, unless you define buying and
> selling collectables as "sheer musical enjoyment".


Arny. Please read again. He bought it, but *did not/will not*  sell it.
He did indeed acquire it for the sheer musical enjoyment.
>
> IOW, thanks Ian for contradicting yourself within about 3 posts!
I did not contradict myself, and my name is not written Ian. I can
see better with two i's :-)

Anything else? :-))

Cordially,

Iain

Iain M Churches wrote:

> I recorded a jazz concert earlier this week.
> A Swedish tenor saxophone player in the
> band, a guy in his early 30's,
> told me that he had just come back
> from an auction in Berlin,  where he had
> bought a sealed vinyl pressing of
> "DUKE ELLINGTON LIVE AT NEWPORT"
> (the legendary concert recorded in 1956
> where Paul Gonsalves played an astounding
> 27 chorus solo in "Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue")
>
> He bought the album in auction and paid Euro286
> that's UKP200.  It was a sealed review copy.
>
> He told me also that he has the double CD (Euro23)
> with lots of previously unreleased material, which he
> bought as a tool to enable him to learn and evaluate the
> construction of the Gonsalves solo, being able to stop,
> start and loop the CD player as and when required.
>
> He grinned and added, " But I bought the vinyl for
> the sheer musical enjoyment"
>
> Iain

Coleus

Ian
--
Ian Bell

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
> news:cpk4be$kel$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
>> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>> news:XaidnXiJo9JQDyDcRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
>>> So much for your false claim that he
>>>
>>> "...bought the vinyl for the sheer musical enjoyment"
>>>
>>> He bought and sold it as a financial gambit, unless you define
>>> buying and selling collectables as "sheer musical enjoyment".
>>
>>
>> Arny. Please read again. He bought it, but *did not/will not*  sell
>> it. He did indeed acquire it for the sheer musical enjoyment.
>
> No Ian, now you are trying to cover up the fact that you can't write
> clearly.

I think the meaning of my message was totally clear.
Can I rephrase it for you in any other way, to clarify that he bought but
did not/will not  sell the LP?

Can I also send you a number of "i" vowels so that you can insert them
first in upper and then in lower case respectively
as the first and third letters of my name?

Cordially,

Iain

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
> news:cpk5hp$n9k$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
>> I think the meaning of my message was totally clear.
>
> Of course you do. You probably can't separate what you wrote from what you
> were thinking. They are often two different things, you know!
Well. we got there in the end:-)

 Everyone else seemed to understand my meaning -
including the chap who wrote to me off-group to see if he
could buy the album (that's how I know that the new proud
owner is not willing to sell it:-)

Iain

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:09:06 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
wrote:

>"Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
>news:cpkefh$96u$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
>> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>> news:692dnR480-TeASDcRVn-pw@comcast.com...
>>> "Iain M Churches" <tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote in message
>>> news:cpk5hp$n9k$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi
>>>> I think the meaning of my message was totally clear.
>>>
>>> Of course you do. You probably can't separate what you wrote from
>>> what you were thinking. They are often two different things, you
>>> know!
>> Well. we got there in the end:-)
>>
>> Everyone else seemed to understand my meaning -
>> including the chap who wrote to me off-group to see if he
>> could buy the album (that's how I know that the new proud
>> owner is not willing to sell it:-)
>
>Iain, I'm very sure that at least several hundred people read this forum. In
>the absence of a corresponding number of confirming posts, I know that your
>word is not to be taken at face value.

Take this as a confirming post. It was clearly stated that the guy
broke the seal on the record, thereby wiping off a *lot* of the
'collector' value. The only possible reason for this is 'musical
enjoyment'.  I might not agree with the general musical principle, but
Iain was perfectly clear in his statement of what happened, and
monetary gain could not possibly have been a motivation here.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> Iain, I'm very sure that at least several hundred people read this forum.
> In the absence of a corresponding number of confirming posts, I know that
> your word is not to be taken at face value.
Please your self Arny:-)
But you were the only one that misconstrued what I wrote, so we
must assume that as the other several hundred did not complain
they understood perfectly.

Please also make allowances for the fact that English is no
longer my first language.

There was also one chap who made contact by phone wanting to
buy the album. I didn't really catch his name, it was a bad line,
and he had a strong Scottish accent. Stewart... something or other:-))

Cordially,

Iain

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

> Take this as a confirming post. It was clearly stated that the guy
> broke the seal on the record, thereby wiping off a *lot* of the
> 'collector' value. The only possible reason for this is 'musical
> enjoyment'.  I might not agree with the general musical principle, but
> Iain was perfectly clear in his statement of what happened, and
> monetary gain could not possibly have been a motivation here.

Agreed. He might be a vomit-inducing goody two-shoes, but at least he wasn't
an ambiguous vomit-inducing goody two-shoes...


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com
www.wally.myby.co.uk

"Wally" <cedar_bucket@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3266kvF3i8pm7U1@individual.net...

> Agreed. He might be a vomit-inducing goody two-shoes, but at least he
> wasn't
> an ambiguous vomit-inducing goody two-shoes...

Thanks Wally, it's nice to be appreciated:-)
I make my living as a music recording engineer.
I try to be professional, and courteous.
My clients seem to appreciate this, and
invariably book me again.

Me? ambiguous? Well, yes and no:-)

Iain

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
>
> Take this as a confirming post. It was clearly stated that the guy
> broke the seal on the record, thereby wiping off a *lot* of the
> 'collector' value. The only possible reason for this is 'musical
> enjoyment'.  I might not agree with the general musical principle, but
> Iain was perfectly clear in his statement of what happened, and
> monetary gain could not possibly have been a motivation here.

...and please take this as another confirming post.  SP's understanding of
your meaning exactly matched mine

"Stimpy" <stimpy1997uk@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
>>
>> Take this as a confirming post. It was clearly stated that the guy
>> broke the seal on the record, thereby wiping off a *lot* of the
>> 'collector' value. The only possible reason for this is 'musical
>> enjoyment'.  I might not agree with the general musical principle, but
>> Iain was perfectly clear in his statement of what happened, and
>> monetary gain could not possibly have been a motivation here.
>
> ...and please take this as another confirming post.  SP's understanding of
> your meaning exactly matched mine


I think there was no hesitation on his part.  He went to the auction to buy
the album to listen to, not to resell at a profit.  (I must say I admire
him)
As he said, he would have bought Nokia shares if he wanted to invest.

He also bought a bottle of vintage port dated 1916.  I am not sure whether
he plans to drink that, or keep it as an investment.  I have suggested that
he
invites a few people round to sip the port and listen to the Ellington.
I wait for my invitation:-)

Iain