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Started by Simon Parker
Fri, 30 May 2025 10:53
Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Simon Parker
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:53
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:53
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I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page. Regards S.P.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Jon Ribbens
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:44
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:44
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On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: > The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> writes: >> On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote: >>> I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load >>> any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the >>> summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page. >>> Regards >>> S.P. >> >> The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time. > > Can you reach the public queue page? > > https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm/queue > > Currently, I can see both it and the moderation UI just fine... Sort of. Both that page and the moderation UI are varying between loading very, very slowly and timing out completely. I imagine 'top' on chiark would show something interesting.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: The Todal
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:23
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:23
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On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote: > I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load any > content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the summary > of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page. > > Regards > > S.P. The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time. Whitelisted posters can still post successfully if they avoid trigger words.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Jon Ribbens
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:31
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:31
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On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: > Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> writes: > >> On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: >>> The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> writes: >>>> On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote: >>>>> I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load >>>>> any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the >>>>> summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page. >>>>> Regards >>>>> S.P. >>>> >>>> The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time. >>> >>> Can you reach the public queue page? >>> >>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm/queue >>> >>> Currently, I can see both it and the moderation UI just fine... >> >> Sort of. Both that page and the moderation UI are varying between >> loading very, very slowly and timing out completely. > > Do you see this on _just_ the ULM bits, or also the front page > https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ ? That URL also fails. The web server's completely borked no matter where I try connecting from, I don't understand how it could possibly be working for you.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Matthew Vernon
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:42
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:42
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The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> writes:
> On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote:
>> I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load
>> any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the
>> summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page.
>> Regards
>> S.P.
>
> The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time.
Can you reach the public queue page?
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm/queue
Currently, I can see both it and the moderation UI just fine...
Matthew
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Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Matthew Vernon
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:49
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 11:49
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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> writes:
> On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote:
>> The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> writes:
>>> On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote:
>>>> I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load
>>>> any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the
>>>> summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page.
>>>> Regards
>>>> S.P.
>>>
>>> The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time.
>>
>> Can you reach the public queue page?
>>
>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm/queue
>>
>> Currently, I can see both it and the moderation UI just fine...
>
> Sort of. Both that page and the moderation UI are varying between
> loading very, very slowly and timing out completely.
Do you see this on _just_ the ULM bits, or also the front page
https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ ?
It all seems Just Fine from here (which I appreciate is no use to you,
but I'm trying to narrow down what the problem might be)
> I imagine 'top' on chiark would show something interesting.
Not currently; I don't have access to the webserver logs myself, but
I've pinged someone who does.
Matthew
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Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Roger Hayter
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:18
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:18
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On 30 May 2025 at 12:51:18 BST, "Theo" <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote: >> On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: >>> Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> writes: >>> >>>> On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: >>>>> The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> writes: >>>>>> On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote: >>>>>>> I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load >>>>>>> any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the >>>>>>> summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> S.P. >>>>>> >>>>>> The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time. >>>>> >>>>> Can you reach the public queue page? >>>>> >>>>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm/queue >>>>> >>>>> Currently, I can see both it and the moderation UI just fine... >>>> >>>> Sort of. Both that page and the moderation UI are varying between >>>> loading very, very slowly and timing out completely. >>> >>> Do you see this on _just_ the ULM bits, or also the front page >>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ ? >> >> That URL also fails. The web server's completely borked no matter >> where I try connecting from, I don't understand how it could possibly >> be working for you. > > chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been spamming > the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / > cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some > effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come up with > new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( > > All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, which I > suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web requests are > slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). > > Meanwhile I'm typing this into an SSH terminal on chiark and that's > absolutely fine with no latency issues. I suppose the webserver must have > some kind of rate limit that's making it slow to respond to other traffic. > There are certainly a lot of open http(s) connections: > > $ ss -t | grep http | wc -l > 2569 > > Theo No problems at all with the public pages or the modbot for another group here. Zen is my ISP. -- Roger Hayter
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Jon Ribbens
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:33
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:33
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On 2025-05-30, Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote: > On 30/05/2025 13:18, Roger Hayter wrote: >> No problems at all with the public pages or the modbot for another >> group here. Zen is my ISP. > > Same here with Zen. The page at ><https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm> appears > immediately with a time of 13:0x BST for the top message. Yeah it's working now.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Theo
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:51
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 12:51
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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote: > On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: > > Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> writes: > > > >> On 2025-05-30, Matthew Vernon <matthew@debian.org> wrote: > >>> The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> writes: > >>>> On 30/05/2025 10:53, Simon Parker wrote: > >>>>> I am receiving a connection timeout error when attempting to load > >>>>> any content from Chiark including the moderation queue for ULM, the > >>>>> summary of rejection reasons for ULM and the "Recent Activity" page. > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> S.P. > >>>> > >>>> The moderation queue is still not accessible as at the present time. > >>> > >>> Can you reach the public queue page? > >>> > >>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm/queue > >>> > >>> Currently, I can see both it and the moderation UI just fine... > >> > >> Sort of. Both that page and the moderation UI are varying between > >> loading very, very slowly and timing out completely. > > > > Do you see this on _just_ the ULM bits, or also the front page > > https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ ? > > That URL also fails. The web server's completely borked no matter > where I try connecting from, I don't understand how it could possibly > be working for you. chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been spamming the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come up with new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, which I suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web requests are slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). Meanwhile I'm typing this into an SSH terminal on chiark and that's absolutely fine with no latency issues. I suppose the webserver must have some kind of rate limit that's making it slow to respond to other traffic. There are certainly a lot of open http(s) connections: $ ss -t | grep http | wc -l 2569 Theo
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Jeff Layman
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 13:22
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 13:22
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On 30/05/2025 13:18, Roger Hayter wrote: > > No problems at all with the public pages or the modbot for another group here. > Zen is my ISP. Same here with Zen. The page at <https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/ucgi/~webstump/l.ulm> appears immediately with a time of 13:0x BST for the top message. -- Jeff
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Mark Goodge
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 14:32
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 14:32
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On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been spamming >the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / >cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some >effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come up with >new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( > >All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, which I >suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web requests are >slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the server from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs Mark
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: The Todal
Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 18:25
Date: Sat, 31 May 2025 18:25
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On 30/05/2025 14:32, Mark Goodge wrote: > On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo > <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > >> >> chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been spamming >> the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / >> cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some >> effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come up with >> new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( >> >> All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, which I >> suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web requests are >> slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). > > Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the server > from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: > > https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs > > Mark At the present time, the modbot seems excessively sluggish again, after previously perking up and beginning to take solid food again.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Simon Parker
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2025 09:01
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2025 09:01
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On 31/05/2025 18:25, The Todal wrote: > On 30/05/2025 14:32, Mark Goodge wrote: >> On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo >> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> >>> chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been >>> spamming >>> the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / >>> cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some >>> effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come >>> up with >>> new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( >>> >>> All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, which I >>> suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web >>> requests are >>> slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). >> >> Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the server >> from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: >> >> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs >> >> Mark > > At the present time, the modbot seems excessively sluggish again, after > previously perking up and beginning to take solid food again. Same again this morning, I am sorry to say. Regards S.P.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: The Todal
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 08:33
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 08:33
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On 01/06/2025 09:01, Simon Parker wrote: > On 31/05/2025 18:25, The Todal wrote: >> On 30/05/2025 14:32, Mark Goodge wrote: >>> On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo >>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been >>>> spamming >>>> the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / >>>> cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some >>>> effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come >>>> up with >>>> new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( >>>> >>>> All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, >>>> which I >>>> suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web >>>> requests are >>>> slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). >>> >>> Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the >>> server >>> from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: >>> >>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs >>> >>> Mark >> >> At the present time, the modbot seems excessively sluggish again, >> after previously perking up and beginning to take solid food again. > > Same again this morning, I am sorry to say. > > Same again this morning (Monday) - the modbot seems to be timing out and we can't action posts.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: The Todal
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 11:32
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 11:32
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On 02/06/2025 08:33, The Todal wrote: > On 01/06/2025 09:01, Simon Parker wrote: >> On 31/05/2025 18:25, The Todal wrote: >>> On 30/05/2025 14:32, Mark Goodge wrote: >>>> On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo >>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been >>>>> spamming >>>>> the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in gitweb / >>>>> cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). Some >>>>> effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers come >>>>> up with >>>>> new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( >>>>> >>>>> All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitweb, >>>>> which I >>>>> suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web >>>>> requests are >>>>> slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). >>>> >>>> Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the >>>> server >>>> from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: >>>> >>>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs >>>> >>>> Mark >>> >>> At the present time, the modbot seems excessively sluggish again, >>> after previously perking up and beginning to take solid food again. >> >> Same again this morning, I am sorry to say. >> >> > > Same again this morning (Monday) - the modbot seems to be timing out and > we can't action posts. Currently now working okay - hope the problem has been permanently fixed!
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Jon Ribbens
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 22:18
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 22:18
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On 2025-06-02, Simon Parker <simonparkerulm@gmail.com> wrote: > On 02/06/2025 11:32, The Todal wrote: >> On 02/06/2025 08:33, The Todal wrote: >>> On 01/06/2025 09:01, Simon Parker wrote: >>>> On 31/05/2025 18:25, The Todal wrote: >>>>> On 30/05/2025 14:32, Mark Goodge wrote: >>>>>> On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo >>>>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been >>>>>>> spamming >>>>>>> the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in >>>>>>> gitweb / >>>>>>> cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). >>>>>>> Some >>>>>>> effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers >>>>>>> come up with >>>>>>> new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitwe >>>>>>> which I >>>>>>> suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web >>>>>>> requests are >>>>>>> slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). >>>>>> >>>>>> Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the >>>>>> server >>>>>> from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> At the present time, the modbot seems excessively sluggish again, >>>>> after previously perking up and beginning to take solid food again. >>>> >>>> Same again this morning, I am sorry to say. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Same again this morning (Monday) - the modbot seems to be timing out >>> and we can't action posts. >> >> >> Currently now working okay - hope the problem has been permanently fixed! > > It hasn't. It is back to timing out (both at the modbot and related > pages, and at the chiark home page). :-( It's the bots that feed "AI" systems apparently, trying to download the entire Internet regardless of permission of propriety, to feed it into their databases.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Simon Parker
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 23:10
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 23:10
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On 02/06/2025 11:32, The Todal wrote: > On 02/06/2025 08:33, The Todal wrote: >> On 01/06/2025 09:01, Simon Parker wrote: >>> On 31/05/2025 18:25, The Todal wrote: >>>> On 30/05/2025 14:32, Mark Goodge wrote: >>>>> On 30 May 2025 12:51:18 +0100 (BST), Theo >>>>> <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> chiark has been affected a lot lately by AI scrapers who have been >>>>>> spamming >>>>>> the webserver with requests trying to follow all the links in >>>>>> gitweb / >>>>>> cvsweb (an impossible game since they're dynamically generated). >>>>>> Some >>>>>> effort was made recently to minimise this, but the AI spammers >>>>>> come up with >>>>>> new and inventive ways of causing trouble :( >>>>>> >>>>>> All I can see on 'top' is about 20% of CPU time spent in gitwe >>>>>> which I >>>>>> suppose could be affecting website response times. For me web >>>>>> requests are >>>>>> slow but do respond eventually (10-15 seconds). >>>>> >>>>> Something appears to have been generating considerable load on the >>>>> server >>>>> from Thursday afternoon to Friday morning: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/chiark/graphs >>>>> >>>>> Mark >>>> >>>> At the present time, the modbot seems excessively sluggish again, >>>> after previously perking up and beginning to take solid food again. >>> >>> Same again this morning, I am sorry to say. >>> >>> >> >> Same again this morning (Monday) - the modbot seems to be timing out >> and we can't action posts. > > > Currently now working okay - hope the problem has been permanently fixed! It hasn't. It is back to timing out (both at the modbot and related pages, and at the chiark home page). :-( Regards S.P.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Theo
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2025 12:58
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2025 12:58
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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote: > It's the bots that feed "AI" systems apparently, trying to download > the entire Internet regardless of permission of propriety, to feed it > into their databases. Yes: 999) "AI" slop slurpers continue to cause web trouble. (1.6.2025) chiark's webserver hs still being attacked by criminal gangs conducting DoSses (because they want to hoover up the contents of our websites (especially gitweb) to so their "AI" can regurgitate it at random). I have further reduced the gitweb concurrency limit. Please let me know if problems recur.
Re: Timeout Error on Chiark Web Pages
Author: Jon Ribbens
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2025 08:09
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On 2025-06-03, Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.eu> wrote: >> It's the bots that feed "AI" systems apparently, trying to download >> the entire Internet regardless of permission of propriety, to feed it >> into their databases. > > Yes: > > 999) "AI" slop slurpers continue to cause web trouble. (1.6.2025) > > chiark's webserver hs still being attacked by criminal gangs conducting > DoSses (because they want to hoover up the contents of our websites > (especially gitweb) to so their "AI" can regurgitate it at random). > > I have further reduced the gitweb concurrency limit. Please let me > know if problems recur. It's down again.
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