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> Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
> competely disappeared.
Quite. Selfish, spiteful and ***stupid*** with it. How to go about keeping
Caroline well-disposed towards her - *not*.

> I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
> quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
> them with people who care more about their customers and less about
> themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
> accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.

Fallon will be fine - she'll hit the big time, and be raking in the dosh
before long, so she can offer her poor homeless Ma a roof over her head.

Will she take Sid too, I wonder? Or will he have to go and throw himself of
Lucy's mercy?

Anne B

Stephen wrote:

> Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
> competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
> quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
> them with people who care more about their customers and less about
> themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
> accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.

Well, yes and no.

Caroline has dropped Sid and Jolene in it. She could - and should IMO - have
handled the whole thing more carefully.  Though I understand why she didn't.
She's very focused on the whole GG deal. Jolene may have done everyone a
favour since Peggy will probably come to see the possible consequences of
the sale more clearly. As Serena, I think, said Jack will not be happy if it
results in massive changes. Maybe she will relent on the tight time scale.

--

SB

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, Stephen wrote:

> Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
> competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
> quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
> them with people who care more about their customers and less about
> themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
> accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.

Can't agree.

Caroline is treating Sid and Jolene awfully. She's treating them exactly as
Piggy is treating her. Is that fair ?

How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton

According to the opalescent prose of Hugh Jampton <me@privacy.net> :

>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>> competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>> quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>> them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>> themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>> accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
>Can't agree.
>
>Caroline is treating Sid and Jolene awfully. She's treating them exactly as
>Piggy is treating her. Is that fair ?

What choice does she have?

>How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
>interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??

I hope that I would be constructive rather than destructive.  How does
Jolene benefit from throwing her toys out of the pram?

And there's still the issue of the ludicrous accent.

--
Stephen                     <http://wenlock.blogspot.com/>

Into my heart an air that kills from yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills, what spires, what farms are those?
That is the land of lost content, I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went and cannot come again.

Stephen wrote...
>I hope that I would be constructive rather than destructive.  How does
>Jolene benefit from throwing her toys out of the pram?
>
>And there's still the issue of the ludicrous accent.

What? Jolêné?
--
Martin

Hugh Jampton wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, Stephen wrote:
>
>
>>Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>>competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>>quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>>them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>>themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>>accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
>
> Can't agree.
>
> Caroline is treating Sid and Jolene awfully. She's treating them exactly as
> Piggy is treating her. Is that fair ?
>
Apart from perhaps having warned them *immediately* she realized she was
going to have to sell her share of the Bull in order to put in an offer
to buy GG, how else could she have behaved, in her circs? As others have
said, to make it worth her own while, she would have to have sold them
the controlling 2 per cent interest at a price way beyond their bank
manager's pockets.
> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
> interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??

It wasn't pleasant at the time, but some good came out of it. Not so
much, but some ;-) We did what we could to salvage the situation, given
the circumstances. In other words, we dealt with it, because we had to.
On the grounds of what goes around comes around, we still (10 years on
(yes, husbad was fired the day dorter was born)) hope the person who did
this is sitting somewhere else in the world in v deep s*it. We know that
he got fired unexpectedly himself a couple of years later.

--
Tout de bonbon,
Anne, Gumrat - Never unknowingly double entendred.

Steve Brooks wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>
>
>>Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>>competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>>quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>>them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>>themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>>accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
>
> Well, yes and no.
>
> Caroline has dropped Sid and Jolene in it. She could - and should IMO - have
> handled the whole thing more carefully.

I don't really see how given the constraints she was under - explain
please ?

> Though I understand why she didn't.
> She's very focused on the whole GG deal. Jolene may have done everyone a
> favour since Peggy will probably come to see the possible consequences of
> the sale more clearly. As Serena, I think, said Jack will not be happy if it
> results in massive changes. Maybe she will relent on the tight time scale.
>
This is the real source of the problem...

Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer ^W^W^W^W uk.media.radio.archers,
Hugh Jampton said ...
>
> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
> interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??
>
Welcome to Real Life.
--
Fenny

Giles: Grave robbing? That's new. Interesting.
Buffy: I know you meant to say gross and disturbing.
Giles: Yes, yes, yes of course. Uh, terrible thing. Must- must put a stop
to it. Damn it.

Hugh Jampton <me@privacy.net> writes:

> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, Stephen wrote:
>
> > Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
> > competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
> > quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
> > them with people who care more about their customers and less about
> > themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
> > accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
> Can't agree.
>
> Caroline is treating Sid and Jolene awfully. She's treating them exactly as
> Piggy is treating her. Is that fair ?
>
> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
> interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??
> --

You mean like Piggy?*  I'd think they were acting rationally.  Sid did
insist on knowing why this was happening, and Jolene has gone off like
a firework.  But it's Peggy who's the root cause of all of this, and
for no rational reason.  There's no reason that Jack couldn't carry
back a mortgage on GG themselves, other than being the "mcguffin".

73, doug

* I don't usually use or like the derogatory names often used in UMRA,
  but in this case....

While spitting out some home-made cheese,  I heard Fenny
<umrat@onetel.com> say

>Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer ^W^W^W^W uk.media.radio.archers,
>Hugh Jampton said ...
>>
>> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
>> interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??
>>
>Welcome to Real Life.

How true.  I heard of someone who divided the world into three groups
of people:

Group 1:  people who were out to get him, and would go to quite a lot
of trouble to screw him.

Group 2:  people with no particular grudge but who would probably
screw him in passing, so to speak, while following their own
self-interest.

Group 3:  people who would never screw him.

The only person in group 3 was himself!



Tony Gardner
N.B. Return E-mail address is spamtrapped.
Replace "spambin" with "tony" and "nospam" with "gardner"

Linda Fox wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2006 19:31:30 GMT, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>
>
> >not me, if i had anything i wanted to keep secret.  but i don't, so i
> >would do business with them, for the pleasure of acting camp in
> >meetings...
>
> ???I didn't think you knew how to. How long have I known you?


I am glad you questioned this....... I didn't dare :-)

--
Btms
aka the other Linda

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:14:23 +0000, Hugh Jampton wrote:

> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
> interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??

Umm - the person who seems best to meet that description at the moment
is Jolene.  She has absolutely no interest in Caroline's rights or
interests at all.  Caroline does seem to have some interest and concern
for Sid and Jolene's interests but, quite reasonably, IMO, she has more
concern for her own.

--
Cheers, Serena
The male is a domestic animal which, if treated with firmness and
kindness, can be trained to do most things. (Jilly Cooper)

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:14:23 +0000, Hugh Jampton wrote:

> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by someone
> interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??
>
Er - such as, if you were a young wife and mother, happily married to
a pub landlord, and found that another woman was trying to steal your
husband from you?


Tony Gardner
N.B. Return E-mail address is spamtrapped.
Replace "spambin" with "tony" and "nospam" with "gardner"

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:14:23 +0000 Hugh Jampton wrote :
> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by
> someone interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??

This question only arises because business and relationships have
become mixed up which is usually a recipe for trouble. When Peggy
decided to sell the Bull Sid (& Kathy) were only able to get a share
in it because Caroline was prepared to step in and buy a 51% share.
Now they are of the view that she should either sell to them on
favourable terms or not sell at all and I am less than sure why,
emotion apart, they feel she owes them anything. To be brutal it's a
business that is OK but fails to generate a proper return on the
capital employed: if it did S&J would be able to finance a bank loan.

--
Tony Bryer

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, stephenbowden@yahoo.com (Stephen)
wrote:

>Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.

Can I OP that Caroline fails to purchase GG, but she is so p*ssed off
with Sid and Jolene, she goes ahead and sells her interest in The Bull
anyway. Who would want to do business with these people who can't
respect confidentiality?

--
al
LSM
Licensed to flame

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:39:01 +0000, Al Menzies wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, stephenbowden@yahoo.com (Stephen)
> wrote:
>
>>Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>>competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>>quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>>them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>>themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>>accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
> Can I OP that Caroline fails to purchase GG, but she is so p*ssed off
> with Sid and Jolene, she goes ahead and sells her interest in The Bull
> anyway. Who would want to do business with these people who can't
> respect confidentiality?

Well, a couple of us have already suggested that but I don't think
anyone has actually made it an OP, so...

--
Cheers, Serena
For everything you have missed you have gained something else; and for
everything you gain, you lose something else. (Ralph Waldo Emerson)

In message <dqefpn$msf$3@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, Anne
Burgess <anne.andesite@btinternet.com> writes
>> Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>> competely disappeared.
>Quite. Selfish, spiteful and ***stupid*** with it. How to go about keeping
>Caroline well-disposed towards her - *not*.
>
>> I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>> quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>> them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>> themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>> accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
>Fallon will be fine - she'll hit the big time, and be raking in the dosh
 >
Well, she's been mighty quiet about what she's done since that gig where
Jazzer blew it.  And if that's all she's done since graduating, that's
hardly successful.

ITWSBT about Fallon.

Sincerely Chris

--
Chris McMillan
http://www.chinavision.org.uk/

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:03:41 GMT, Tony Bryer wrote:

> On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:14:23 +0000 Hugh Jampton wrote :
>> How would you feel if your way of life was being threatened by
>> someone interested in only *their* future - no interest in yours ??
>
> This question only arises because business and relationships have
> become mixed up which is usually a recipe for trouble. When Peggy
> decided to sell the Bull Sid (& Kathy) were only able to get a share
> in it because Caroline was prepared to step in and buy a 51% share.
> Now they are of the view that she should either sell to them on
> favourable terms or not sell at all and I am less than sure why,
> emotion apart, they feel she owes them anything. To be brutal it's a
> business that is OK but fails to generate a proper return on the
> capital employed: if it did S&J would be able to finance a bank loan.

They've also made it abundantly clear, in the past, that they don't even
think she should have any right to influence the way the pub is run.
They have always very much resented any "interference" in the business.
I think they could be in for a big shock if/when Caroline sells her
share; they'll be very lucky if they find another partner who is happy
to leave them alone to run the pub as they want.  For example, I suspect
that Lilian (who seems to me to be the most likely local purchaser)
would want far more involvement in the day to day running of the
business than Caroline has.

--
Cheers, Serena
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible
warning. (Catherine Aird)

 Al Menzies <al@betterwords.co.uk> writes:
>On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:19:27 GMT, stephenbowden@yahoo.com (Stephen)
>wrote:
>>Any sympathy I might ever have had for that selfish spiteful woman has
>>competely disappeared.  I hope that Caroline sells out to somebody who
>>quickly kicks out the raddled hag and her bigoted husband and replaces
>>them with people who care more about their customers and less about
>>themselves.  And preferably a landlady with a slightly less ludicrous
>>accent.  It's Fallon I feel sorry for.
>
>Can I OP that Caroline fails to purchase GG, but she is so p*ssed off
>with Sid and Jolene, she goes ahead and sells her interest in The Bull
>anyway.

more likely, i imagine, that she's found a buyer and _can't_ pull out
of selling the bull.

> Who would want to do business with these people who can't
>respect confidentiality?

not me, if i had anything i wanted to keep secret.  but i don't, so i
would do business with them, for the pleasure of acting camp in
meetings...
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

Serena Blanchflower wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:03:41 GMT, Tony Bryer wrote:

>>This question only arises because business and relationships have
>>become mixed up which is usually a recipe for trouble. When Peggy
>>decided to sell the Bull Sid (& Kathy) were only able to get a share
>>in it because Caroline was prepared to step in and buy a 51% share.
>>Now they are of the view that she should either sell to them on
>>favourable terms or not sell at all and I am less than sure why,
>>emotion apart, they feel she owes them anything. To be brutal it's a
>>business that is OK but fails to generate a proper return on the
>>capital employed: if it did S&J would be able to finance a bank loan.
>
>
> They've also made it abundantly clear, in the past, that they don't even
> think she should have any right to influence the way the pub is run.
> They have always very much resented any "interference" in the business.
> I think they could be in for a big shock if/when Caroline sells her
> share; they'll be very lucky if they find another partner who is happy
> to leave them alone to run the pub as they want.  For example, I suspect
> that Lilian (who seems to me to be the most likely local purchaser)
> would want far more involvement in the day to day running of the
> business than Caroline has.
>
Yet again, Serena, you've encapsulated what I was thinking but was
lazily waiting for someone else to say better than I :-)

--
Tout de bonbon,
Anne, Gumrat - Never unknowingly double entendred.

On 16 Jan 2006 19:31:30 GMT, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:


>not me, if i had anything i wanted to keep secret.  but i don't, so i
>would do business with them, for the pleasure of acting camp in
>meetings...

???I didn't think you knew how to. How long have I known you?

lff

 Linda Fox <linda.ff@ntlworld.com> writes:
>On 16 Jan 2006 19:31:30 GMT, rf@cl.cam.ac.uk (Robin Fairbairns) wrote:
>>not me, if i had anything i wanted to keep secret.  but i don't, so i
>>would do business with them, for the pleasure of acting camp in
>>meetings...
>
>???I didn't think you knew how to. How long have I known you?

you're the actor, m'dear: i'm sure you could teach me in time for my
first business meeting with them.
--
Robin Fairbairns, Cambridge

Seems I'm in a minority of one on this subject :-(

I refuse to change my mind on this. Jolene has got big whatsits and
therefore she *must* be correct !!!!!

I rest my case :-)
--
Regards,

Hugh Jampton