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>"Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:

>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>are a joke. They are right.

>Sorry

If we ignore crap like this, it WILL go away.  Let this "thread" die.
                                                                                                           Barney

Peter Petts wrote:

> > If the "joke" refers to your literary competency, you're right.
> >
> > Bill Mayers
>
> The literary joke is on you; there is no such word as 'competency'.

Really? Then why is it in the Oxford English Dictionary?
I just looked it up.

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Mr. Eyes Wide Open <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote in article
<32EF29D6.1654@theworld.org>...
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry
>

Can you give me some examples of non-shit countries for comparison purposes

rdf.

Lance Bell wrote:
>
> Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
> >
> > I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> > are a joke. They are right.
> >
> > Sorry
>
> If you were a real American you would love your country. You should show
> respect for those who died to protect your country rather than pissing
> on their graves.
>
> Besides , whats this got to do with Japanese culture ng

This thread was probably started by done dumb-ass kid wanting to start
another STUPID discussion.

So?

Guys, this person is obviously trying to stir up shit.  Don't let him.  He
probably laughs at every patriotic post he sees.  Don't waste your time.

Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry

That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.

In <32EF29D6.1654@theworld.org> "Mr. Eyes Wide Open"
<seriousshit@theworld.org> writes:
>
>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>are a joke. They are right.
>
>Sorry

If the "joke" refers to your literary competency, you're right.

Bill Mayers

Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry

I ponder your prolific writing and the depth of your explorations.
Now I understand how a person with your mental magnitude could come up
with a title for your treatise "America is Shit".

Herman

In <32EF29D6.1654@theworld.org> "Mr. Eyes Wide Open"
<seriousshit@theworld.org> writes:
>
>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>are a joke. They are right.
>
>Sorry

Then do us a favor and leave the country and denounce your citizenship.

Gee, America must not be that bad any more!

I hate it when someone just spouts a lot of unsubstantiated hot air.
Back it up with something!

Dr/Q

William Mayers wrote:
>
> In <32EF29D6.1654@theworld.org> "Mr. Eyes Wide Open"
> <seriousshit@theworld.org> writes:
> >
> >I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> >are a joke. They are right.
> >
> >Sorry
>
> If the "joke" refers to your literary competency, you're right.
>
> Bill Mayers

The literary joke is on you; there is no such word as 'competency'.

Peter

In <32EF8A19.33C2@virgin.net> Peter Petts <peter.petts@virgin.net>
writes:
>
>William Mayers wrote:
>>
>> In <32EF29D6.1654@theworld.org> "Mr. Eyes Wide Open"
>> <seriousshit@theworld.org> writes:
>> >
>> >I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks
we
>> >are a joke. They are right.
>> >
>> >Sorry
>>
>> If the "joke" refers to your literary competency, you're right.
>>
>> Bill Mayers
>
>The literary joke is on you; there is no such word as 'competency'.
>
>Peter


Well, I'll be an incompetent slob - the dude's still an illiterate
fuck-up.

Bill Mayers

William Mayers wrote:
>
> In <32F00DDA.51E5@rell.com> Doug Barnes <dwb@rell.com> writes:
> >
> >Lance Bell wrote:
> >>
> >> Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks
> we
> >> > are a joke. They are right.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry
> >>
> >> If you were a real American you would love your country. You should
> show
> >> respect for those who died to protect your country rather than
> pissing
> >> on their graves.
> >>
> >> Besides , whats this got to do with Japanese culture ng
> >
> >This thread was probably started by done dumb-ass kid wanting to start
> >another STUPID discussion.
>
> And if we were to discuss degrees of stupidity, who's the worst - the
> "dumb-ass kid" or those who respond to his troll?
AMERICAN WITH DIRTY WORDS, VERY TYPICAL. LIKE FATHER, LIKE SON

ryoko wrote:
>
> "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
> >I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> >are a joke. They are right.
>
> I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke...but I think you
> are.
>
> Ryoko...

I AM in a world of shit.

Chad
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<Be Sure to Stay at Holiday Inn>

Once asked whether they believed in God, Laibach answered, "Yes, we
believe in God, but unlike Americans we do not trust him."

"A generation which ignores history has no past--and no future"
"If you don't like yourself, you cant like other people"
"A brute kills for pleasure. A fool kills from hate."
"You live and learn. Or you don't live long."
"Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny."
"The greatest productive force is human selfishness."
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."
"In a society in which it is a moral offense to be different from your
neighbor your only escape is never to let
them find out."
"Man can be chained, but he cannot be domesticated. "
"No intelligent man has any respect for an unjust law"
"Progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. "
"If you pray hard enough, water will run uphill. How hard? Why, hard
enough to make water run uphill, of course! "
"Yield to temptation; it may not pass your way again. "

--Robert A Heinlein

"Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>are a joke. They are right.
>
>Sorry

The thing that really irks me about "Americans" like you (and I use that
term loosely) is that no matter how well you have it, all you can do is
complain.
If you think another country is better than this one, then by all means,
MOVE!!!
I don't think anyone in the U.S. of A is going to try real hard to stop
you.

In <32F00DDA.51E5@rell.com> Doug Barnes <dwb@rell.com> writes:
>
>Lance Bell wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>> >
>> > I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks
we
>> > are a joke. They are right.
>> >
>> > Sorry
>>
>> If you were a real American you would love your country. You should
show
>> respect for those who died to protect your country rather than
pissing
>> on their graves.
>>
>> Besides , whats this got to do with Japanese culture ng
>
>This thread was probably started by done dumb-ass kid wanting to start
>another STUPID discussion.

And if we were to discuss degrees of stupidity, who's the worst - the
"dumb-ass kid" or those who respond to his troll?

Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry


If you were a real American you would love your country. You should show
respect for those who died to protect your country rather than pissing
on their graves.

Besides , whats this got to do with Japanese culture ng

Peter Petts <peter.petts@virgin.net> wrote:

>> If the "joke" refers to your literary competency, you're right.
>>
>> Bill Mayers
>
>The literary joke is on you; there is no such word as 'competency'.
>
>Peter

I think the joke is on you Peter...there is such a word as "competency"
..look under "competence" in your dictionary, not under "competent".

Ryoko

"Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>are a joke. They are right.


I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke...but I think you
are.

Ryoko...

Peter Petts <peter.petts@virgin.net> wrote:

>> If the "joke" refers to your literary competency, you're right.
>>
>> Bill Mayers
>
>The literary joke is on you; there is no such word as 'competency'.
>
>Peter

I think the joke is on you Peter...there is such a word as "competency"
..look under "competence" in your dictionary, not under "competent".

Ryoko

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:

> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:43:34 -0500
> From: "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org>
> Reply-To: post@newsgroup.net
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe, soc.couples, rec.autos, alt.skinheads,
>     talk.rape, soc.culture.jewish, alt.stupidity, soc.men,
>     soc.culture.israel, alt.skinhead, alt.activism, soc.women,
>     alt.politics.radical-left, alt.society.revolution, talk.politics.misc,
>     soc.culture.japan, soc.culture.african.american, soc.culture.usa,
>     soc.culture.british, soc.culture.europe, alt.religion.christian,
>     soc.culture.asian.american, alt.atheism, sci.skeptic, sci.med,
>     sci.classics
> Subject: America is Shit
>
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry
>
>
Please stop traveling! no reason to give them living proof.

Thomas K. Koger wrote:
>
> "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
> >I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> >are a joke. They are right.
> >
> >Sorry
>
> The thing that really irks me about "Americans" like you (and I use that
> term loosely) is that no matter how well you have it, all you can do is
> complain.
> If you think another country is better than this one, then by all means,
> MOVE!!!
> I don't think anyone in the U.S. of A is going to try real hard to stop
> you.

As we say in Texas, highway 6 goes both ways.

ryoko posted the following to alt.atheism,

>"Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
>>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>>are a joke. They are right.

>I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke...but I think you
>are.

I'm an Australian too, and I think America is one fine place. Sure, it's
got waaaaaaaay too many bleaters and it spawns idiots like Mr. Eyes Glued
Shut, but other than that it's pretty cool. :)


Stix
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
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SkyRider wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:43:34 -0500
> > From: "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org>
> > Reply-To: post@newsgroup.net
> > Newsgroups: soc.culture.europe, soc.couples, rec.autos, alt.skinheads,
> >     talk.rape, soc.culture.jewish, alt.stupidity, soc.men,
> >     soc.culture.israel, alt.skinhead, alt.activism, soc.women,
> >     alt.politics.radical-left, alt.society.revolution, talk.politics.misc,
> >     soc.culture.japan, soc.culture.african.american, soc.culture.usa,
> >     soc.culture.british, soc.culture.europe, alt.religion.christian,
> >     soc.culture.asian.american, alt.atheism, sci.skeptic, sci.med,
> >     sci.classics
> > Subject: America is Shit
> >
> > I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> > are a joke. They are right.
> >
> > Sorry
> >
> >
> Please stop traveling! no reason to give them living proof.Skyrider,

Couldn't have said it better!!

sparky

Mia Wong <mwong@sgrdor.ent.com> wrote:

>Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>>
>> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>> are a joke. They are right.
>>
>> Sorry
>
>That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.
Well you can count me out on that, I'm English and am quite content
not to go to America.

Tom.

In <Pine.BSF.3.95.970131153243.10876A-100000@web2.calweb.com> SkyRider
<gwbrown@calweb.com> writes:
>
>On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 05:43:34 -0500
>> From: "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org>
>> Reply-To: post@newsgroup.net

>> Subject: America is Shit
>>
>> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks
we
>> are a joke. They are right.
>>
>> Sorry

I doubt that you have travelled anywhere, certainly not to any Third
World countries, and you have certainly never lived anywhere else.  I
doubt that anyone who is well read would title their post as you did,
either.

If you had travelled anywhere further than your back yard you might
have noticed that there are an awful lot of people trying to get into
America and it's not to live in a joke.  If America is the
laughingstock of the world, then how do you explain the riots and
protest marches in Mexico City when the US attempts to restrict
immigration?  According to your view, those Mexicans should be glad
that nobody will get sucked into the big joke.

You might also notice that poor Cubans are setting sail in innertubes
to reach the US.  Do you think that they are putting their lives at
risk for a joke?

It seems that you are another pathetic American traitor who, ignorant
of the sad real lives of the rest of the world, whose loyalty can be
rocked by a magazine article.  I recommend that you voyage out to the
Third World and get a taste of their lives.  Right now you are simply
screaming your ignorance.

Steve

Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry

    No.  The world thinks that Americans like you are a joke.  Maybe you
should find somewhere else to live.  As proof of this you cross-posted
your dribble in sci.med, which has absolutely nothing to do with your
subject.  It's people like you who give the very impression you're
complaining about.
    Please...find something constructive to do with your computer.
That, or give it away.
--
                                 Bill
+--------------------------------------------------------------+
�If everything possible, then it is impossible to know anything�
�with a substantial degree of confidence worth building upon.  �
+--------------------------------------------------------------+

Doug Barnes <dwb@rell.com> wrote:

:This thread was probably started by done dumb-ass kid wanting to start
:another STUPID discussion.
  
That is a classic example of why people think America is shit.

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ryoko <ryoko@enternet.com.au> wrote:

:"Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
:>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we 
:>are a joke. They are right.
:
:
:I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke...but I think you 
:are.
:
:Ryoko...
  
I don't think you are an Australian with a name like that.
  
Some individual Americans may be OK but American society and standards
are a joke.
 

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jwwright wrote:
>
> Thomas K. Koger wrote:
> >
> > "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
> > >I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> > >are a joke. They are right.
> > >
> > >Sorry
> >
> > The thing that really irks me about "Americans" like you (and I use that
> > term loosely) is that no matter how well you have it, all you can do is
> > complain.
> > If you think another country is better than this one, then by all means,
> > MOVE!!!
> > I don't think anyone in the U.S. of A is going to try real hard to stop
> > you.
>
> As we say in Texas, highway 6 goes both ways.
> It is the same in every country. Some complain about everything, what I say is If your're not happy where you are get the hell out. If people
travelled a little more they would find out that the U.S. is great.

ryoko wrote:

> I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke.

I've heard Australia is much like the middle latitudes of the US,
reasonably nice area to live at. :)

In <32f4152a.4460678@news.fastlink.com.au> barryo*@*fastlink.com.au
(Barry O'Grady) writes:
>
>ryoko <ryoko@enternet.com.au> wrote:
>
>:"Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
>:>I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks
we
>:>are a joke. They are right.
>:
>:
>:I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke...but I think
you
>:are.
>:
>:Ryoko...
>
>I don't think you are an Australian with a name like that.

How do you think he got that .au extension on his email address,
bonehead?

>Some individual Americans may be OK but American society and standards
>are a joke.

American standards like eating three meals a day, free speech, the
pursuit of happiness, and liberty and justice for all?  There are
billions who love to live under our standards, you America-hating
bastard.

Steve

In <32f415e2.4644733@news.fastlink.com.au> barryo*@*fastlink.com.au
(Barry O'Grady) writes:
>
>Doug Barnes <dwb@rell.com> wrote:
>
>:This thread was probably started by done dumb-ass kid wanting to
start
>:another STUPID discussion.
>
>That is a classic example of why people think America is shit.

If you said the same thing in China or Burma or North Korea, you would
be slapped into prison if you were lucky.  Or shot.

I advise you to move to one of these countries immediately.

Steve

"John P. Boatwright" <salad@mail.teleport.com> wrote:
>ryoko wrote:
>
>> I'm an Australian and I don't think America is a joke.
>
>I've heard Australia is much like the middle latitudes of the US,
>reasonably nice area to live at. :)

Want to swap?

Ryoko...

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:08:49 -0700, Mia Wong <mwong@sgrdor.ent.com>
wrote:

>Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>>
>> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>> are a joke. They are right.
>>
>> Sorry
>
>That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.

That's wrong.

Stefan

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Xowyne wrote:
>
> Mia Wong <mwong@sgrdor.ent.com> wrote:
>
> >Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
> >>
> >> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> >> are a joke. They are right.
> >>
> >> Sorry
> >
> >That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.
> Well you can count me out on that, I'm English and am quite content
> not to go to America.
>
> Tom.

	takes alot to live in America, it's a country not ment for the weak.
Besides we Americans have a bad habit of killing tourist ^_^ j/k .

				Sam

Xowyne wrote:
>
> Mia Wong <mwong@sgrdor.ent.com> wrote:
>
> >Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
> >>
> >> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> >> are a joke. They are right.
> >>
> >> Sorry
> >
> >That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.
> Well you can count me out on that, I'm English and am quite content
> not to go to America.
>
> Tom.
fuck the skin head shit men

Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
>
> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> are a joke. They are right.
>
> Sorry

Mr. New York City (who tries to hide behind forged headers),

	Sorry, you are the joke.  Too damned bad you're an idiot too.

Bob
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jwwright <jwwright@ghgcorp.com> wrote :
The thing that really irks me about "Americans" like you (and I use that
> term loosely) is that no matter how well you have it, all you can do is
> complain.
> If you think another country is better than this one, then by all means,
> MOVE!!!
> I don't think anyone in the U.S. of A is going to try real hard to stop
> you.

As we say in Texas, highway 6 goes both ways.


this is backwards... this country was founded by people who didn't just
move because they didn't like it here.  Most countries are founded by
people like that.  Most people can't move if they don't like it here.  T
The concept of a democracy, whether you like it (the democracy) here or
not, gives you (and i, and him and her) the right and the responsibility
to not only complain but to do something about it.  It is writen into the
declaration of independce, and explicit in the constitution.  There are many
problems with america, this is no utopia, and it is you job and our right
to change and fix those problems.  Moving out of the country isn't a solution, in fact it would be one of the most selfish things you could do.

...J

> > "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:

> > >I am an American.
> > >Well read and a world explorer.

"World explorer"? Who are you anyway, Marco Polo? Where are you off to
next? "Shooting tigers in India?" Ho ho!

> > >The world thinks we
> > >are a joke.

Ah, so what? France holds Jerry Lewis in godlike esteem, and they eat
stinky cheese; I think that's pretty funny. I also think it's pretty
funny that the English still pay tax dollars to keep the monarchy going.
The following line was written by an Englishman: "Elizabeth of Mayhem,
you are one in a field of one/As the flashbulbs pop, at the premier
stop, on your nowhere agenda." Canadians? Bunch of hockey players eating
fat bacon.

Seriously, I think it's funny that "the world thinks we are a joke"
until they need something from the U.S. Like food. Or being rescued. Or
cash.

The U.S. is partially a joke, but so are most countries that are halfway
decent to live in. It's the countries that aren't funny at all, that you
want to avoid. I used to have a neighbor from Denmark; he lived here for
20 years and he moved back. I never asked him why he moved back. If he
likes it better there, great! I personally have no desire to move to
anywhere else. Good medical care here. Plus, we have an entire aisle of
breakfast cereals, for starters.

> > >They are right.

No, they've been reading too many issues of The Sun.

> > >Sorry

No apologies necessary.

On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Neal C. Wickham wrote:
> And there are places in Europe not safe for Americans.  ...Naples
> comes to mind.
>
>
> Neal C. Wickham


I was just their a last September and I loved it! Have you ever been
their?

I am a young woman and I was traveling alone, throughout Italy.  I found
the people in Naples extemely helpful and kind.  When I lost my camera and
guidebook in a taxi, I figured is was gone for good.  The police said that
I would never get them back. So I started talking to a group of drivers
just hanging out in the Piazza.

They insisted that I should not lose my camera on vacation so two drivers
and I jumped into a cab and we drove around Naples over and over until we
found the right cab and one of the guys got out, went over to the other
driver and retrieved my stuff for me. Then they drove me to the train
station, making sure I went to the right one. I tried to pay them but they
insisted that they were doing their duty.
What chivalry!

>> >> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
>> >> are a joke. They are right.

>> >That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.

>> Well you can count me out on that, I'm English and am quite content
>> not to go to America.

>	takes alot to live in America, it's a country not ment for the weak.
>Besides we Americans have a bad habit of killing tourist ^_^ j/k .

Geese... America is just America and it is a big place.  I grew up in
a town where people don't lock their houses and leave car keys in
their cars.  We do pretty well considering that we are a melting pot
of nearly every culture of the World.  And we've had a drug problem
here due in part to our fun-loving affluence which spawned a ruthless
black-market and a drug subculture.  But there is not near the crime
in the US that there is in most South and Central American countries.
And there are places in Europe not safe for Americans.  ...Naples
comes to mind.

It was just over 50 years ago that we came to Europe to crush fascism,
a trendy little phenomena that killed 50 million people.  And there
was virtually no rape or pillaging by the Americans and we rebuilt
those lands we conquered treating our former enemies with dignity and
respect.

And the computer revolution we are a part of here is without question
based right here in America.  ...leading the way into the future
again!

Name a country and I can pick it apart.  It is not a perfect world and
America has it�s problems along with any country.



Neal C. Wickham

"Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."
--Emo Phillips

Barry O'Grady wrote:
> 
> Souriyaphon Chaleusouk <vegeta@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> :Xowyne wrote:
> :>
> :> Mia Wong <mwong@sgrdor.ent.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> >Mr. Eyes Wide Open wrote:
> :> >>
> :> >> I am an American. Well read and a world explorer. The world thinks we
> :> >> are a joke. They are right.
> :> >>
> :> >> Sorry
> :> >
> :> >That's why everyone on Earth wants to come to America.
> :> Well you can count me out on that, I'm English and am quite content
> :> not to go to America.
> :>
> :> Tom.
> :
> :       takes alot to live in America, it's a country not ment for the weak.
> :Besides we Americans have a bad habit of killing tourist ^_^ j/k .
> 
> You Americans have already killed the english language.
> It doesn't take "alot" to do anything because there is no such word as alot.
> 
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  Ok, so we don't speak Brit English, who gives a shit? Do you dog the
Australians for talking a lil' bit different?  No I don't think so.  I
think a lot of you British folk got a chip on your shoulders. I think
your ashamed that a couple of your colonies are now the most powerful
nation on Earth. Am I getting warm here?  I think so. We whooped your
asses in 1812, we saved your butts in 1941, and now your pissed 'cause
your little brother can kick the shit out of you anytime he wants to.
God, you are pathetic. I'll just say this, I hope my kin over in
Scotland grow some balls and break off from you pussies. You are
jealous, no doubt about it.

					Smoky  ( | )

Marcelo Bruno wrote:
>
> In article <5d3vf4$h7h@sjx-ixn3.ix.netcom.com>, smgregg@ix.netcom.com (Steve GREGG) writes:
> |> In <32f4152a.4460678@news.fastlink.com.au> barryo*@*fastlink.com.au
> |> (Barry O'Grady) writes:
> |> >
> |>
> |> American standards like eating three meals a day, free speech, the
> |> pursuit of happiness, and liberty and justice for all?  There are
> |> billions who love to live under our standards, you America-hating
> |> bastard.
> |>
> |> Steve
> |>
>
>  Steve,
>
>
>  I don't think "America is shit", but I must add most Western Europeans eat 3
> meals a day (you Americans eat only two, since your lunch does not qualify as
> a meal by European standards). Besides, all Western Europeans live under
> democratic regimes and enjoy personal freedom and free speech. Quite frankly,
> I've been in the US for 3 years as a temporary resident and don't see
> any reason to assume that the average American has more freedom than the
> average Western European. Quite the contrary, I tend to think democracy is
> much more solid nowadays in countries like the UK, France or Germany than
> in the US.
>
>  Just compare voter's turnout here and in Europe or compare your
> bipolar party system, dominated by big business and special interests, with
> the highly ideological, meaningful and disciplined parties found in most
> European parliamentary democracies. In a typical German, French or British
> election campaign, fundamental issues are discussed in greater depth than in
> the US, where the electorate is apathic and party conventions and speeches
> have turned into "infommercials" scripted by pollsters. In Canada and
> Australia, the level of public debate is also much higher than in the US.
>
>   Marcelo Bruno
>  ---------------

A good natured criticism, but many Western European countries' breakfast
doesn't qualify under our criterion of a meal.


But some of what you say in the rest of your post is true.  Multiparty
democracy has its problems (governments that last eight months, disloyal
coalitions, etc.) but I'm not sure that, overall, I think the two-party
system is the best one.  And I've seen British debates, and there's some
merit to your point.  But I've also seen the British House of Commons
and I must say our Congress enacts laws in a more orderly and less
contentious fashion.

Stan Collins

darrin@demon.ac.uk wrote:
>
> The problem with the Americans is that they they believe that they have
> the best lifestyle this world has to offer. Over 2 million US citizens
> behind bars and a murder rate of several tens of thousands per year. That
> is a way of life I would like to avoid.


Oh but also the muder problem isn't as bad as it seems.  The average
American's chances of being murdered are extremely close to zero.

Stan Collins

Marcelo Bruno wrote:
>
> In article <32F9EB51.5D3F@mitre.org>, "Wesley H. Wilson" <wwilson@mitre.org> writes:
> |> > > "Mr. Eyes Wide Open" <seriousshit@theworld.org> wrote:
> |>
> |> Seriously, I think it's funny that "the world thinks we are a joke"
> |> until they need something from the U.S. Like food. Or being rescued. Or
> |> cash.
> |>
>
>      Like cash? Maybe you are unaware of the fact that the US has the highest
> foreign debt in the world in absolute terms. Have you ever considered what
> percentage of US treasury securities, i.e, what percentage of US debt, is
> actually owned by foreigners? During the 80's, at the peak of Reagan's
> irresponsible governments, America survived borrowing money from foreign
> investors (mostly Japanese and British) at high interest rates,in order
> to finance its internal imbalances. Productivity in the US economy is
> growing very slowly and Americans continue to spend more than they can earn,
> reducing the savings rate and, consequently, the potential long-term growth
> of the economy.
>
>  The US is not a joke, but it has a very serious problem: its people and
> leaders continue to hold on to a completely old-fashioned image of the US as
> the world's only superpower. Instead, they should wake up to the reality that
> the world is now multipolar, the US represents only 20-25 % of the world
> economy and can no longer dictate its will without the support of the
> European Union and Japan. Even in Latin America, American influence is now
> being eroded.
>
>  What makes Americans "hated" is not envy, but precisely this imperial
> arrogant tone many Americans use when referring to other countries, in
> particular the silly assumption that no one in the world has more freedom
> than the citizens of the US.
>
> |> want to avoid. I used to have a neighbor from Denmark; he lived here for
> |> 20 years and he moved back. I never asked him why he moved back. If he
> |> likes it better there, great! I personally have no desire to move to
> |> anywhere else. Good medical care here. Plus, we have an entire aisle of
> |> breakfast cereals, for starters.
> |>
>
>  Good medical care, yes! But only for those who can afford it. In Denmark,
> there are quality public health care for all citizens and even foreigners,
> like in virtually all Western democracies except the US. And the public
> schools there are much, much better. Perhaps that's why your neighbor
> decided to move back. And for the breakfast cereals, not everybody in the
> world has the same dietary habits as the Americans, but I personally think the
> food in this country (the US) is very bad compared to the gourmet choices
> one has in Europe.
>
>  Regards,
>
>    Marcelo Bruno
>   ---------------
  The problem with that statement is this:  the reason why the U.S. has
the best food in the world is that the U.S. has no (traditional) food of
its own.  We thus tend to have a much better selection of international
food styles in our restaurants.  We don't have more traditional food
items like kidney pie, fish and chips, or flan to bind us down (if we
happen not to like those dishes).  We choose from most commonly Mexican,
Italian, Chinese, and French, but you can also go to any town and find
Indian, Thai, Japanese, Vietnamese, and the like.  Not that these don't
exist in Europe, but they're easier to find in America.

Stan Collins

darrin@demon.ac.uk wrote:
>
> The problem with the Americans is that they they believe that they have
> the best lifestyle this world has to offer. Over 2 million US citizens
> behind bars and a murder rate of several tens of thousands per year. That
> is a way of life I would like to avoid.


Unfortunately, the way of life for white American tends to be much
better than for black Americans.  If we could raise the standard of
living of the average black person to that of the average white person,
that standard of life would be something to brag about.

Stamn Collins

"R. Estes" <estes@u.washington.edu> wrote:



>On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Neal C. Wickham wrote:
>> And there are places in Europe not safe for Americans.  ...Naples
>> comes to mind.

>I was just their a last September and I loved it! Have you ever been
>their?

...last spring, the end of April.   And our tour-guide (a private one
we hired at the Termini in Rome) said that it is not as dangerous as
it was several years ago but that there were still a lot of killers in
Napoli (Naples) and we probably should not go there unescorted.

>I am a young woman and I was traveling alone, throughout Italy.  I found
>the people in Naples extemely helpful and kind.  When I lost my camera and
>guidebook in a taxi, I figured is was gone for good.  The police said that
>I would never get them back. So I started talking to a group of drivers
>just hanging out in the Piazza.
>
>They insisted that I should not lose my camera on vacation so two drivers
>and I jumped into a cab and we drove around Naples over and over until we
>found the right cab and one of the guys got out, went over to the other
>driver and retrieved my stuff for me. Then they drove me to the train
>station, making sure I went to the right one. I tried to pay them but they
>insisted that they were doing their duty.
>What chivalry!

I love Italy.  I too have stories to tell about the friendly people
there.  But not everyone was friendly.  I got a very threatening look
from a man in a returant becuase he thought I was looking at his woman
which I was not.  He looked like he wanted to kill me.  And there are
a lot of killers in Naples and I heard a few years ago that travel
agents were recomeding that Americans not go there and Sandro, our
guide, confirmed that.  We only drove by Naples on our way to Pompeii,
Salerno, and Paestum. We talked about going into Napoli and Sandro
said we'd be OK if the people saw that we were with him but that
Americans were still not safe in Napoli.  Sure, nothing happened to
you but that dosn't mean it's not dangerous.

And BTW, almost everywhere we went, Sandro ask a local if is was safe
to park the rent-a-car.  It being broken into was of major concern
wherever we went:  Rome, Tivoli, Florence, Sienna, Pompeii, Paestum.
He was constantly checking the car and moving it to a safer location.

I love Italy.  I hope to spend an entire summer there someday.  But it
is not perfect.  It has its problems like anywhere else.


Neal

>Name a country and I can pick it apart.  It is not a perfect world and
>America has it�s problems along with any country.
>Neal C. Wickham


True, but if we stopped treating the rest of the world like they are
maggots we might get some respect.

AFTER TWO YEARS OF READING USENET I CAN SEE AMERICA IS BY FAR THE MOST
HATED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

but I still don't believe that "There All Jealous of Us" bull because it
is not true.

The Docktor