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"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote:

> 'GROZNY CAMPAIGN OVER'
>
> Moscow, Feb. 6 (DPA) - Acting President Vladimir Putin
> today declared the Russian military campaign in the
> Chechen capital Grozny had ended, Interfax news agency
> reported.
>
> ``A short time ago the last nest of rebel resistance in
> the Savodksi district was captured, the Russian flag is
> flying over one of the administration buildings,''
> Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.
>
> (Sniped for Space)

I'll wait for further confirmation on this by Non Russian Sources. BUT
if true GOD/Allah MAY be against the Chechen's this time See texts
bellow..

[Great Seal logo] Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1998

                  Eurasia Overview

[Blue Bar]

In Russia, several prominent local officials were killed and some US and

Russian citizens were kidnapped in Chechnya and the North Caucasus
region.
At least some of the killings appeared politically motivated, including
the
assassination of Russian State Duma deputy Galina Starovoytova and
Shadid
Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad. Some Chechen
insurgents have links to terrorist Usama Bin Ladin.

Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze survived an assassination attempt
by
supporters of a former president in 1998. The arrest of some of his
attackers provoked further incidents and led to Russian cooperation in
the
arrest and extradition of an individual alleged to have conspired in
planning the attack. The breakaway region of Abkhazia witnessed the
abduction of four UN military observers in July and the ambush and
wounding
of UN observers in September.


          [Damage to engine in assassination attempt, 9 February]


The Kazakhstan Government averted a potential threat to the US Embassy
in
Almaty by arresting and expelling three Iranian Government agents for
illegal activities. Four members of a United Nations mission of
observers
to Tajikistan were killed while on patrol 150 kilometers outside of
Dushanbe. Of the various terrorist incidents that occurred in Tajikistan
in
1998, this was of greatest concern to the international community.

Armenia
(iirelevent data)

Georgia
Supporters of deceased former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia,
known
as "Zviadists," and ethnic Chechen mercenaries attempted to assassinate
Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze on 9 February. The assailants
launched a well-organized attack against Shevardnadze's motorcade late
in
the evening using rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons.
Shevardnadze survived the attack--the second against him in three
years--but it almost succeeded. Two officers of Shevardnadze's
protective
service and one of the attackers, an ethnic Chechen, died in the ensuing

gunfight. The government arrested 11 of the assailants within days of
the
attack.

Subsequently, some 15 of Shevardnadze's assailants kidnapped four United

Nations observers from their compound in Zugdidi, western Georgia, to
ensure the assailants' escape and their colleagues' release. The
hostages
escaped or were released following a dialogue between the Shevardnadze
government and former members of Gamsakhurdia's faction. Some of the
hostage takers surrendered, but Gocha Esebua, the Zviadist leader of the

assassination team, escaped. According to press reports, Georgian police

killed Esebua in a shootout on 31 March after they tracked him to a
house
in western Georgia.

Georgian officials also apprehended former Gamsakhurdia government
Finance
Minister Guram Absandze, the alleged mastermind of the assassination
attempt. Russian security authorities detained Absandze in Smolensk,
Russia, on 16 March and extradited him to Georgia three days later,
where
he was formally arrested.

Violence in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia accounted for several

incidents that involved foreign personnel. In July four UN military
observers were taken hostage. On 21 September three UN military
observers
and their Abkhaz driver were wounded in Sukhumi during an ambush on a
clearly marked UN vehicle, according to press reporting. Two of the
injured
were military observers from Bangladesh, and the third victim was a UN
employee from Nigeria.

Kazakhstan
(iirelevent data)

Kyrgyzstan
(iirelevent data)

Russia
The assassination on 20 November of noted reformist and Russian State
Duma
deputy Galina Starovoytova by unidentified assailants--possibly a
politically motivated contract killing--highlights both the terrorist
tactics used by domestic antagonists to influence Russian politics and
Moscow's inability to curb this violence. Chechen militants assassinated

Shadid Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad, on 25
October
in reaction to widely publicized antikidnapping operations in Chechnya's

capital, Groznyy. No one claimed responsibility for an explosive device
that detonated under Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov's car in June.
Maskhadov escaped without injury, but four others were killed in the
attack.

At least three US citizens were kidnapped in Russia for financial gain
in
1998. On 18 March unknown assailants abducted two US missionaries in
Saratov, Russia, took their money and bank cards, and released them on
22
March. No ransom appears to have been paid. On 11 November in
Makhachkala,
Dagestan, unidentified assailants kidnapped US citizen Herbert Gregg, a
member of a nondenominational Protestant organization based in Illinois.

Russian authorities continue to investigate the incident.

Numerous abductions occurred in Russia's North Caucasus region during
1998.
Most involved ransom demands, although political motives cannot be
excluded. Some Chechen groups in 1998 used kidnapping to raise money,
and
hostages could be sold and resold among various Chechen kidnapping
groups,
according to Russian officials. Several foreigners and hundreds of
Russian
civilians and soldiers kidnapped in the region still are missing. On 20
January, Vincent Cochetel, a French citizen who led the United Nations
Human Rights Commission's North Caucasus office, was abducted. He
finally
was released on 12 December. Four British employees of Granger Telecom
were
kidnapped in early October and on 8 December were found murdered. On 1
May,
Valentin Vlasov, President Boris Yeltsin's representative to Chechnya,
was
kidnapped by unknown assailants. He was released on 13 November.

Mujahidin with extensive links to Middle Eastern and Southwest Asian
terrorists aided Chechen insurgents with equipment and training. The
insurgents were led by Habib Abdul Rahman, alias Ibn al-Khattab, an Arab

mujahidin commander with links to Usama Bin Ladin. Khattab's forces
launched attacks against Russian military targets, but their activities
in
Russia were localized in the North Caucasus region.

Tajikistan
(irrelevant data)

[end of text]

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Well folks I think that says it all for the Russian side. It gives Good
enough reason for the United States to NOT get involved and Do to these
actions and the connections to people or  groups named  above and bellow
the following Executive Order may apply.


[Image] [Executive Orders]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                       The White House Briefing Room

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     August 22, 1998

     EXECUTIVE ORDER

                                    THE WHITE HOUSE

                             Office of the Press Secretary
                          (Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts)
       ___________________________________________________________
       For Immediate Release                        August 22, 1998

                                    EXECUTIVE ORDER

                                     - - - - - - -

         PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO
DISRUPT THE
                               MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS

          By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the
       laws of the United States of America, including the International

       Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the
National
       Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and section 301 of
title 3,
       United States Code,

          I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of
America, in
       order to take additional steps with respect to grave acts of
violence
       committed by foreign terrorists that disrupt the Middle East
peace
       process and the national emergency described and declared in
Executive
       Order 12947 of January 23, 1995, hereby order:

          Section 1. The title of the Annex to Executive Order 12947 of
January
       23, 1995, is revised to read "TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO DISRUPT
THE
       MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS."

          Sec. 2. The Annex to Executive Order 12947 of January 23,
1995, is
       amended by adding thereto the following persons in appropriate
       alphabetical order:

          Usama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Ladin (a.k.a. Usama bin Ladin)

          Islamic Army (a.k.a. Al-Qaida, Islamic Salvation Foundation,
The
       Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, The World
Islamic
       Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, and The Group for the

       Preservation of the Holy Sites)
          Abu Hafs al-Masri

          Rifa'i Ahmad Taha Musa

          Sec. 3. Nothing contained in this order shall create any right
or
       benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any party
against the
       United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its officers or

       employees, or any other person.

          Sec. 4. (a) This order is effective at 12:01 a.m., eastern
daylight
       time on August 21, 1998.

          (b)  This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and
published in
       the Federal Register.

                                   WILLIAM J. CLINTON

       THE WHITE HOUSE,
       August 20, 1998.

                                         # # #

"Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote:

> 'GROZNY CAMPAIGN OVER'
>
> Moscow, Feb. 6 (DPA) - Acting President Vladimir Putin
> today declared the Russian military campaign in the
> Chechen capital Grozny had ended, Interfax news agency
> reported.
>
> ``A short time ago the last nest of rebel resistance in
> the Savodksi district was captured, the Russian flag is
> flying over one of the administration buildings,''
> Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.
>
> (Sniped for Space)

I'll wait for further confirmation on this by Non Russian Sources. BUT
if true GOD/Allah MAY be against the Chechen's this time See texts
bellow.. Any Chechen or Mujahdeen supporters wish to reply???
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[Great Seal logo] Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1998

                  Eurasia Overview

[Blue Bar]

In Russia, several prominent local officials were killed and some US and

Russian citizens were kidnapped in Chechnya and the North Caucasus
region.
At least some of the killings appeared politically motivated, including
the
assassination of Russian State Duma deputy Galina Starovoytova and
Shadid
Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad. Some Chechen
insurgents have links to terrorist Usama Bin Ladin.

Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze survived an assassination attempt
by
supporters of a former president in 1998. The arrest of some of his
attackers provoked further incidents and led to Russian cooperation in
the
arrest and extradition of an individual alleged to have conspired in
planning the attack. The breakaway region of Abkhazia witnessed the
abduction of four UN military observers in July and the ambush and
wounding
of UN observers in September.


          [Damage to engine in assassination attempt, 9 February]


The Kazakhstan Government averted a potential threat to the US Embassy
in
Almaty by arresting and expelling three Iranian Government agents for
illegal activities. Four members of a United Nations mission of
observers
to Tajikistan were killed while on patrol 150 kilometers outside of
Dushanbe. Of the various terrorist incidents that occurred in Tajikistan
in
1998, this was of greatest concern to the international community.

Armenia
(iirelevent data)

Georgia
Supporters of deceased former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia,
known
as "Zviadists," and ethnic Chechen mercenaries attempted to assassinate
Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze on 9 February. The assailants
launched a well-organized attack against Shevardnadze's motorcade late
in
the evening using rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons.
Shevardnadze survived the attack--the second against him in three
years--but it almost succeeded. Two officers of Shevardnadze's
protective
service and one of the attackers, an ethnic Chechen, died in the ensuing

gunfight. The government arrested 11 of the assailants within days of
the
attack.

Subsequently, some 15 of Shevardnadze's assailants kidnapped four United

Nations observers from their compound in Zugdidi, western Georgia, to
ensure the assailants' escape and their colleagues' release. The
hostages
escaped or were released following a dialogue between the Shevardnadze
government and former members of Gamsakhurdia's faction. Some of the
hostage takers surrendered, but Gocha Esebua, the Zviadist leader of the

assassination team, escaped. According to press reports, Georgian police

killed Esebua in a shootout on 31 March after they tracked him to a
house
in western Georgia.

Georgian officials also apprehended former Gamsakhurdia government
Finance
Minister Guram Absandze, the alleged mastermind of the assassination
attempt. Russian security authorities detained Absandze in Smolensk,
Russia, on 16 March and extradited him to Georgia three days later,
where
he was formally arrested.

Violence in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia accounted for several

incidents that involved foreign personnel. In July four UN military
observers were taken hostage. On 21 September three UN military
observers
and their Abkhaz driver were wounded in Sukhumi during an ambush on a
clearly marked UN vehicle, according to press reporting. Two of the
injured
were military observers from Bangladesh, and the third victim was a UN
employee from Nigeria.

Kazakhstan
(iirelevent data)

Kyrgyzstan
(iirelevent data)

Russia
The assassination on 20 November of noted reformist and Russian State
Duma
deputy Galina Starovoytova by unidentified assailants--possibly a
politically motivated contract killing--highlights both the terrorist
tactics used by domestic antagonists to influence Russian politics and
Moscow's inability to curb this violence. Chechen militants assassinated

Shadid Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad, on 25
October
in reaction to widely publicized antikidnapping operations in Chechnya's

capital, Groznyy. No one claimed responsibility for an explosive device
that detonated under Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov's car in June.
Maskhadov escaped without injury, but four others were killed in the
attack.

At least three US citizens were kidnapped in Russia for financial gain
in
1998. On 18 March unknown assailants abducted two US missionaries in
Saratov, Russia, took their money and bank cards, and released them on
22
March. No ransom appears to have been paid. On 11 November in
Makhachkala,
Dagestan, unidentified assailants kidnapped US citizen Herbert Gregg, a
member of a nondenominational Protestant organization based in Illinois.

Russian authorities continue to investigate the incident.

Numerous abductions occurred in Russia's North Caucasus region during
1998.
Most involved ransom demands, although political motives cannot be
excluded. Some Chechen groups in 1998 used kidnapping to raise money,
and
hostages could be sold and resold among various Chechen kidnapping
groups,
according to Russian officials. Several foreigners and hundreds of
Russian
civilians and soldiers kidnapped in the region still are missing. On 20
January, Vincent Cochetel, a French citizen who led the United Nations
Human Rights Commission's North Caucasus office, was abducted. He
finally
was released on 12 December. Four British employees of Granger Telecom
were
kidnapped in early October and on 8 December were found murdered. On 1
May,
Valentin Vlasov, President Boris Yeltsin's representative to Chechnya,
was
kidnapped by unknown assailants. He was released on 13 November.

Mujahidin with extensive links to Middle Eastern and Southwest Asian
terrorists aided Chechen insurgents with equipment and training. The
insurgents were led by Habib Abdul Rahman, alias Ibn al-Khattab, an Arab

mujahidin commander with links to Usama Bin Ladin. Khattab's forces
launched attacks against Russian military targets, but their activities
in
Russia were localized in the North Caucasus region.

Tajikistan
(irrelevant data)

[end of text]

[Blue Bar]

                   Patterns of Global Terrorism Contents
                         Counterterrorism Home Page
                         State Department Home Page


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well folks I think that says it all for the Russian side. It also gives
good enough reason for the United States to NOT get involved and Do to
these actions and the connections to people or  groups named  above and
bellow the following Executive Order may apply.

Ike

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[Image] [Executive Orders]

------------------------------------------------------------------------

                       The White House Briefing Room

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     August 22, 1998

     EXECUTIVE ORDER

                                    THE WHITE HOUSE

                             Office of the Press Secretary
                          (Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts)
       ___________________________________________________________
       For Immediate Release                        August 22, 1998

                                    EXECUTIVE ORDER

                                     - - - - - - -

         PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO
DISRUPT THE
                               MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS

          By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
and the
       laws of the United States of America, including the International

       Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the
National
       Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and section 301 of
title 3,
       United States Code,

          I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of
America, in
       order to take additional steps with respect to grave acts of
violence
       committed by foreign terrorists that disrupt the Middle East
peace
       process and the national emergency described and declared in
Executive
       Order 12947 of January 23, 1995, hereby order:

          Section 1. The title of the Annex to Executive Order 12947 of
January
       23, 1995, is revised to read "TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO DISRUPT
THE
       MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS."

          Sec. 2. The Annex to Executive Order 12947 of January 23,
1995, is
       amended by adding thereto the following persons in appropriate
       alphabetical order:

          Usama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Ladin (a.k.a. Usama bin Ladin)

          Islamic Army (a.k.a. Al-Qaida, Islamic Salvation Foundation,
The
       Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, The World
Islamic
       Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, and The Group for the

       Preservation of the Holy Sites)
          Abu Hafs al-Masri

          Rifa'i Ahmad Taha Musa

          Sec. 3. Nothing contained in this order shall create any right
or
       benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any party
against the
       United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its officers or

       employees, or any other person.

          Sec. 4. (a) This order is effective at 12:01 a.m., eastern
daylight
       time on August 21, 1998.

          (b)  This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and
published in
       the Federal Register.

                                   WILLIAM J. CLINTON

       THE WHITE HOUSE,
       August 20, 1998.

                                         # # #

Well I wouldn't believe anything a proven liar and adultere says... lieing
under oath grave offence I would have thought

Lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:389DFAB2.1E368417@mindspring.com...
>
>
> "Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote:
>
> > 'GROZNY CAMPAIGN OVER'
> >
> > Moscow, Feb. 6 (DPA) - Acting President Vladimir Putin
> > today declared the Russian military campaign in the
> > Chechen capital Grozny had ended, Interfax news agency
> > reported.
> >
> > ``A short time ago the last nest of rebel resistance in
> > the Savodksi district was captured, the Russian flag is
> > flying over one of the administration buildings,''
> > Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.
> >
> > (Sniped for Space)
>
> I'll wait for further confirmation on this by Non Russian Sources. BUT
> if true GOD/Allah MAY be against the Chechen's this time See texts
> bellow..
>
> [Great Seal logo] Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1998
>
>                   Eurasia Overview
>
> [Blue Bar]
>
> In Russia, several prominent local officials were killed and some US and
>
> Russian citizens were kidnapped in Chechnya and the North Caucasus
> region.
> At least some of the killings appeared politically motivated, including
> the
> assassination of Russian State Duma deputy Galina Starovoytova and
> Shadid
> Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad. Some Chechen
> insurgents have links to terrorist Usama Bin Ladin.
>
> Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze survived an assassination attempt
> by
> supporters of a former president in 1998. The arrest of some of his
> attackers provoked further incidents and led to Russian cooperation in
> the
> arrest and extradition of an individual alleged to have conspired in
> planning the attack. The breakaway region of Abkhazia witnessed the
> abduction of four UN military observers in July and the ambush and
> wounding
> of UN observers in September.
>
>
>           [Damage to engine in assassination attempt, 9 February]
>
>
> The Kazakhstan Government averted a potential threat to the US Embassy
> in
> Almaty by arresting and expelling three Iranian Government agents for
> illegal activities. Four members of a United Nations mission of
> observers
> to Tajikistan were killed while on patrol 150 kilometers outside of
> Dushanbe. Of the various terrorist incidents that occurred in Tajikistan
> in
> 1998, this was of greatest concern to the international community.
>
> Armenia
> (iirelevent data)
>
> Georgia
> Supporters of deceased former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia,
> known
> as "Zviadists," and ethnic Chechen mercenaries attempted to assassinate
> Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze on 9 February. The assailants
> launched a well-organized attack against Shevardnadze's motorcade late
> in
> the evening using rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons.
> Shevardnadze survived the attack--the second against him in three
> years--but it almost succeeded. Two officers of Shevardnadze's
> protective
> service and one of the attackers, an ethnic Chechen, died in the ensuing
>
> gunfight. The government arrested 11 of the assailants within days of
> the
> attack.
>
> Subsequently, some 15 of Shevardnadze's assailants kidnapped four United
>
> Nations observers from their compound in Zugdidi, western Georgia, to
> ensure the assailants' escape and their colleagues' release. The
> hostages
> escaped or were released following a dialogue between the Shevardnadze
> government and former members of Gamsakhurdia's faction. Some of the
> hostage takers surrendered, but Gocha Esebua, the Zviadist leader of the
>
> assassination team, escaped. According to press reports, Georgian police
>
> killed Esebua in a shootout on 31 March after they tracked him to a
> house
> in western Georgia.
>
> Georgian officials also apprehended former Gamsakhurdia government
> Finance
> Minister Guram Absandze, the alleged mastermind of the assassination
> attempt. Russian security authorities detained Absandze in Smolensk,
> Russia, on 16 March and extradited him to Georgia three days later,
> where
> he was formally arrested.
>
> Violence in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia accounted for several
>
> incidents that involved foreign personnel. In July four UN military
> observers were taken hostage. On 21 September three UN military
> observers
> and their Abkhaz driver were wounded in Sukhumi during an ambush on a
> clearly marked UN vehicle, according to press reporting. Two of the
> injured
> were military observers from Bangladesh, and the third victim was a UN
> employee from Nigeria.
>
> Kazakhstan
> (iirelevent data)
>
> Kyrgyzstan
> (iirelevent data)
>
> Russia
> The assassination on 20 November of noted reformist and Russian State
> Duma
> deputy Galina Starovoytova by unidentified assailants--possibly a
> politically motivated contract killing--highlights both the terrorist
> tactics used by domestic antagonists to influence Russian politics and
> Moscow's inability to curb this violence. Chechen militants assassinated
>
> Shadid Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad, on 25
> October
> in reaction to widely publicized antikidnapping operations in Chechnya's
>
> capital, Groznyy. No one claimed responsibility for an explosive device
> that detonated under Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov's car in June.
> Maskhadov escaped without injury, but four others were killed in the
> attack.
>
> At least three US citizens were kidnapped in Russia for financial gain
> in
> 1998. On 18 March unknown assailants abducted two US missionaries in
> Saratov, Russia, took their money and bank cards, and released them on
> 22
> March. No ransom appears to have been paid. On 11 November in
> Makhachkala,
> Dagestan, unidentified assailants kidnapped US citizen Herbert Gregg, a
> member of a nondenominational Protestant organization based in Illinois.
>
> Russian authorities continue to investigate the incident.
>
> Numerous abductions occurred in Russia's North Caucasus region during
> 1998.
> Most involved ransom demands, although political motives cannot be
> excluded. Some Chechen groups in 1998 used kidnapping to raise money,
> and
> hostages could be sold and resold among various Chechen kidnapping
> groups,
> according to Russian officials. Several foreigners and hundreds of
> Russian
> civilians and soldiers kidnapped in the region still are missing. On 20
> January, Vincent Cochetel, a French citizen who led the United Nations
> Human Rights Commission's North Caucasus office, was abducted. He
> finally
> was released on 12 December. Four British employees of Granger Telecom
> were
> kidnapped in early October and on 8 December were found murdered. On 1
> May,
> Valentin Vlasov, President Boris Yeltsin's representative to Chechnya,
> was
> kidnapped by unknown assailants. He was released on 13 November.
>
> Mujahidin with extensive links to Middle Eastern and Southwest Asian
> terrorists aided Chechen insurgents with equipment and training. The
> insurgents were led by Habib Abdul Rahman, alias Ibn al-Khattab, an Arab
>
> mujahidin commander with links to Usama Bin Ladin. Khattab's forces
> launched attacks against Russian military targets, but their activities
> in
> Russia were localized in the North Caucasus region.
>
> Tajikistan
> (irrelevant data)
>
> [end of text]
>
> [Blue Bar]
>
>                    Patterns of Global Terrorism Contents
>                          Counterterrorism Home Page
>                          State Department Home Page
>
> Well folks I think that says it all for the Russian side. It gives Good
> enough reason for the United States to NOT get involved and Do to these
> actions and the connections to people or  groups named  above and bellow
> the following Executive Order may apply.
>
>
> [Image] [Executive Orders]
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                        The White House Briefing Room
>
>      -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>      August 22, 1998
>
>      EXECUTIVE ORDER
>
>                                     THE WHITE HOUSE
>
>                              Office of the Press Secretary
>                           (Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts)
>        ___________________________________________________________
>        For Immediate Release                        August 22, 1998
>
>                                     EXECUTIVE ORDER
>
>                                      - - - - - - -
>
>          PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO
> DISRUPT THE
>                                MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS
>
>           By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
> and the
>        laws of the United States of America, including the International
>
>        Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the
> National
>        Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and section 301 of
> title 3,
>        United States Code,
>
>           I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of
> America, in
>        order to take additional steps with respect to grave acts of
> violence
>        committed by foreign terrorists that disrupt the Middle East
> peace
>        process and the national emergency described and declared in
> Executive
>        Order 12947 of January 23, 1995, hereby order:
>
>           Section 1. The title of the Annex to Executive Order 12947 of
> January
>        23, 1995, is revised to read "TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO DISRUPT
> THE
>        MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS."
>
>           Sec. 2. The Annex to Executive Order 12947 of January 23,
> 1995, is
>        amended by adding thereto the following persons in appropriate
>        alphabetical order:
>
>           Usama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Ladin (a.k.a. Usama bin Ladin)
>
>           Islamic Army (a.k.a. Al-Qaida, Islamic Salvation Foundation,
> The
>        Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, The World
> Islamic
>        Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, and The Group for the
>
>        Preservation of the Holy Sites)
>           Abu Hafs al-Masri
>
>           Rifa'i Ahmad Taha Musa
>
>           Sec. 3. Nothing contained in this order shall create any right
> or
>        benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any party
> against the
>        United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its officers or
>
>        employees, or any other person.
>
>           Sec. 4. (a) This order is effective at 12:01 a.m., eastern
> daylight
>        time on August 21, 1998.
>
>           (b)  This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and
> published in
>        the Federal Register.
>
>                                    WILLIAM J. CLINTON
>
>        THE WHITE HOUSE,
>        August 20, 1998.
>
>                                          # # #
>
>

Breakdown of IKE's illogical abuse and rambling :-

> Sane shot different pork eater. We have God/Allah on OUR side. Had you not
lied
> to the Chechen People they would have WON by now... But no you go and lead
them
> down your satanic path of dishonor and now Chechens suffer Allah's CURSE.

The Chechen's can't win on their own. What is it with you and dishonour. The
mujahadeen in Chechnya are killin Russian soldiers not women and children.
You Chechanyan / Russian / Jewish / muslim  or what ?? Lazyike sounds slavik
or somat ??

> To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's
perversions
> of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they held
> Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the News
reports
> say his people are satanic.

Abuse.. very honouable of you IKE... think you're pretty bad eh where abouts
in the states do you live ?? Chechans could never have held Grozny without
mujahadeen support - don't have manpower / supplies / weapons.

> What you do not believe me?? Then ask yourself this.
> If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist attack
like
> the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to go to
YOUR
> ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North? Now
these
> Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in
Afghanistan....Stinger
> missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in killing
> russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to them?
..

Current hijacking was done by anti Taliban Shias different sect like
Catholics and Protestants. Russia and Iran support them obviously. Chechnya
mainly Sunni muslim. And anyway you get bad apples in every people, even the
big bad US. Pretty stupid of Afghans to give their weapons up don't you
think with Russia bordering it and possible escalation of its own civil war.

>
> Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough
basic
> medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to a
"Gun
> show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not need
> cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy
enough
> guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin only
> fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings
you...You
> are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!

Can you imagine how many Russians we'd kill if we had access to IKE's gun
shop. We'd have a field day at the local school play ground. US is a sad
place where crime is everywhere. The poor be poor and the rich be very rich.

> Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet
Mohammed
> did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.

You seem to be Satan's right hand man - Satan and you have a lot in common.


lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:389F3326.7D06C5B2@mindspring.com...
>
>
> MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
>
> > The dishonourable US has even placed sanctions, via the puppet
organisation
> > the UN, on the Afghans a coutnry just recovering from 20 years of war.
> > Simply becuase they won't release bin Laden.
> >
> > The sanctions have no legal basis, its just that America don't like the
> > Taliban and are scared of Bin Laden :-
> >
> > "The Taleban say they will not turn over bin Laden because Afghan
culture
> > and tradition makes it impossible to hand over a guest to his enemies.
They
> > also argue they do not have an extradition treaty with the United
States. "
> >
> > I'm sure there are several south american states that are in the same
> > situation - don't have extradition treaties with the US.
>
> Sane shot different pork eater. We have God/Allah on OUR side. Had you not
lied
> to the Chechen People they would have WON by now... But no you go and lead
them
> down your satanic path of dishonor and now Chechens suffer Allah's CURSE.
>
> To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's
perversions
> of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they held
> Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the News
reports
> say his people are satanic. What you do not believe me?? Then ask yourself
this.
> If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist attack
like
> the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to go to
YOUR
> ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North? Now
these
> Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in
Afghanistan....Stinger
> missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in killing
> russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to them?
..
>
> Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough
basic
> medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to a
"Gun
> show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not need
> cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy
enough
> guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin only
> fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings
you...You
> are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!
>
> Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet
Mohammed
> did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.
>
> Ike
>

They're not Mujahadeen. They're Shite muslim Anti-Taliban, suported by
Russia and Iran. Do you actually think before you speak ??? I know it'll
hurt but its good to try.

Oh and I think you spell Lazyke without the i.


lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:389F2633.20508FF7@mindspring.com...
>
>
> MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
>
> > Well I wouldn't believe anything a proven liar and adultere says...
lieing
> > under oath grave offence I would have thought
>
> So is your spelling..... But that's beside the point. What I want to know
is
> why our "Buddy Terrorists went to RUSSIA and NOT Iran??? Get lost or are
the
> Mujahadin REALLY working for RUSSIA???
> Ike
>
>
>
>
>

MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:

>
> Oh and I think you spell Lazyke without the i.
>

You should do less thinking your brain is oozing out your ass... Lazy Ike is
spelled Lazyike... maybe I'll tell you about it someday... It's a nickname...

Ike

>
> lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:389F2633.20508FF7@mindspring.com...
> >
> >
> > MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
> >
> > > Well I wouldn't believe anything a proven liar and adultere says...
> lieing
> > > under oath grave offence I would have thought
> >
> > So is your spelling..... But that's beside the point. What I want to know
> is
> > why our "Buddy Terrorists went to RUSSIA and NOT Iran??? Get lost or are
> the
> > Mujahadin REALLY working for RUSSIA???
> > Ike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:

>
>
> The Chechen's can't win on their own. What is it with you and dishonour. The
> mujahadeen in Chechnya are killin Russian soldiers not women and children.
> You Chechanyan / Russian / Jewish / muslim  or what ?? Lazyike sounds slavik
> or somat ??

Fishing Lure....But I'm a mix of Irish. Scot. Dutch-German,  and A bit Cherokee
Indian.

>
>
> > To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's
> perversions
> > of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they held
> > Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the News
> reports
> > say his people are satanic.
>
> Abuse.. very honouable of you IKE... think you're pretty bad eh where abouts
> in the states do you live ?? Chechans could never have held Grozny without
> mujahadeen support - don't have manpower / supplies / weapons.
>

In The midwest where you have to be "Bad Assed" to Survive...

>
> > What you do not believe me?? Then ask yourself this.
> > If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist attack
> like
> > the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to go to
> YOUR
> > ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North? Now
> these
> > Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in
> Afghanistan....Stinger
> > missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in killing
> > russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to them?
> .
>
> Current hijacking was done by anti Taliban Shias different sect like
> Catholics and Protestants. Russia and Iran support them obviously. Chechnya
> mainly Sunni muslim. And anyway you get bad apples in every people, even the
> big bad US. Pretty stupid of Afghans to give their weapons up don't you
> think with Russia bordering it and possible escalation of its own civil war.
>

I will agree With the bad apples. Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam... they NEED
a victory in Cechnya to regain their pride. Things are so screwed up in
Afghanistan that if Russia thought it had the balls to attack. The U.S. would
wait
and see who would be worth helping. But still Chechens are at war with Russia
and Afghanistan is NOT.  So Stinger Missiles do you no good.

>
> >
> > Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough
> basic
> > medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to a
> "Gun
> > show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not need
> > cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy
> enough
> > guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin only
> > fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings
> you...You
> > are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!
>
> Can you imagine how many Russians we'd kill if we had access to IKE's gun
> shop. We'd have a field day at the local school play ground. US is a sad
> place where crime is everywhere. The poor be poor and the rich be very rich.
>

That School yard comment just cost you a lot of support and just bolsters my
point you are nothing more than a Terrorist.
And where is crime never a problem. Ok Iran maybe but there the crime lords own
the country. Hey we have our problems, some of them are in Washington DC. Most
crime here is due to The prison Industry.  Things are bad her but this could be
russia, at least here I can walk down the street at 4 am and not become a
violent crime statistic. Sometimes it gets bad though like a kid getting killed
over a pair of overpriced tennis shoes  or a jacket.  Even wearing All Red or
all blue in the wrong area can get you killed.

On the good side though is we help our own when we have too.  This about time
last year  a Palestinian family's house burned down. Their Jewish neighbors let
them stay with them long enough for them to find a new place. .

>
> > Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet
> Mohammed
> > did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.
>
> You seem to be Satan's right hand man - Satan and you have a lot in common.
>

Nope wrong again.... DUDE. When we fight a just fight we have God /Allah on our
side therefore we win overtime.
Before you say it ...Vietnam turned into an unjust cause therefore God/Allah
turned his back on us causing us to loose.


Ike

>
> lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:389F3326.7D06C5B2@mindspring.com...
> >
> >
> > MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
> >
> > > The dishonourable US has even placed sanctions, via the puppet
> organisation
> > > the UN, on the Afghans a coutnry just recovering from 20 years of war.
> > > Simply becuase they won't release bin Laden.
> > >
> > > The sanctions have no legal basis, its just that America don't like the
> > > Taliban and are scared of Bin Laden :-
> > >
> > > "The Taleban say they will not turn over bin Laden because Afghan
> culture
> > > and tradition makes it impossible to hand over a guest to his enemies.
> They
> > > also argue they do not have an extradition treaty with the United
> States. "
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are several south american states that are in the same
> > > situation - don't have extradition treaties with the US.
> >
> > Sane shot different pork eater. We have God/Allah on OUR side. Had you not
> lied
> > to the Chechen People they would have WON by now... But no you go and lead
> them
> > down your satanic path of dishonor and now Chechens suffer Allah's CURSE.
> >
> > To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's
> perversions
> > of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they held
> > Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the News
> reports
> > say his people are satanic. What you do not believe me?? Then ask yourself
> this.
> > If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist attack
> like
> > the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to go to
> YOUR
> > ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North? Now
> these
> > Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in
> Afghanistan....Stinger
> > missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in killing
> > russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to them?
> .
> >
> > Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough
> basic
> > medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to a
> "Gun
> > show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not need
> > cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy
> enough
> > guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin only
> > fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings
> you...You
> > are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!
> >
> > Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet
> Mohammed
> > did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.
> >
> > Ike
> >

The dishonourable US has even placed sanctions, via the puppet organisation
the UN, on the Afghans a coutnry just recovering from 20 years of war.
Simply becuase they won't release bin Laden.

The sanctions have no legal basis, its just that America don't like the
Taliban and are scared of Bin Laden :-

"The Taleban say they will not turn over bin Laden because Afghan culture
and tradition makes it impossible to hand over a guest to his enemies. They
also argue they do not have an extradition treaty with the United States. "

I'm sure there are several south american states that are in the same
situation - don't have extradition treaties with the US.

MOHAMMED HABIB <amo1@cwcom.net> wrote in message
news:Lvnn4.15251$M47.149174@news1-hme0...
> Well I wouldn't believe anything a proven liar and adultere says... lieing
> under oath grave offence I would have thought
>
> Lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:389DFAB2.1E368417@mindspring.com...
> >
> >
> > "Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote:
> >
> > > 'GROZNY CAMPAIGN OVER'
> > >
> > > Moscow, Feb. 6 (DPA) - Acting President Vladimir Putin
> > > today declared the Russian military campaign in the
> > > Chechen capital Grozny had ended, Interfax news agency
> > > reported.
> > >
> > > ``A short time ago the last nest of rebel resistance in
> > > the Savodksi district was captured, the Russian flag is
> > > flying over one of the administration buildings,''
> > > Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.
> > >
> > > (Sniped for Space)
> >
> > I'll wait for further confirmation on this by Non Russian Sources. BUT
> > if true GOD/Allah MAY be against the Chechen's this time See texts
> > bellow..
> >
> > [Great Seal logo] Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1998
> >
> >                   Eurasia Overview
> >
> > [Blue Bar]
> >
> > In Russia, several prominent local officials were killed and some US and
> >
> > Russian citizens were kidnapped in Chechnya and the North Caucasus
> > region.
> > At least some of the killings appeared politically motivated, including
> > the
> > assassination of Russian State Duma deputy Galina Starovoytova and
> > Shadid
> > Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad. Some Chechen
> > insurgents have links to terrorist Usama Bin Ladin.
> >
> > Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze survived an assassination attempt
> > by
> > supporters of a former president in 1998. The arrest of some of his
> > attackers provoked further incidents and led to Russian cooperation in
> > the
> > arrest and extradition of an individual alleged to have conspired in
> > planning the attack. The breakaway region of Abkhazia witnessed the
> > abduction of four UN military observers in July and the ambush and
> > wounding
> > of UN observers in September.
> >
> >
> >           [Damage to engine in assassination attempt, 9 February]
> >
> >
> > The Kazakhstan Government averted a potential threat to the US Embassy
> > in
> > Almaty by arresting and expelling three Iranian Government agents for
> > illegal activities. Four members of a United Nations mission of
> > observers
> > to Tajikistan were killed while on patrol 150 kilometers outside of
> > Dushanbe. Of the various terrorist incidents that occurred in Tajikistan
> > in
> > 1998, this was of greatest concern to the international community.
> >
> > Armenia
> > (iirelevent data)
> >
> > Georgia
> > Supporters of deceased former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia,
> > known
> > as "Zviadists," and ethnic Chechen mercenaries attempted to assassinate
> > Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze on 9 February. The assailants
> > launched a well-organized attack against Shevardnadze's motorcade late
> > in
> > the evening using rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons.
> > Shevardnadze survived the attack--the second against him in three
> > years--but it almost succeeded. Two officers of Shevardnadze's
> > protective
> > service and one of the attackers, an ethnic Chechen, died in the ensuing
> >
> > gunfight. The government arrested 11 of the assailants within days of
> > the
> > attack.
> >
> > Subsequently, some 15 of Shevardnadze's assailants kidnapped four United
> >
> > Nations observers from their compound in Zugdidi, western Georgia, to
> > ensure the assailants' escape and their colleagues' release. The
> > hostages
> > escaped or were released following a dialogue between the Shevardnadze
> > government and former members of Gamsakhurdia's faction. Some of the
> > hostage takers surrendered, but Gocha Esebua, the Zviadist leader of the
> >
> > assassination team, escaped. According to press reports, Georgian police
> >
> > killed Esebua in a shootout on 31 March after they tracked him to a
> > house
> > in western Georgia.
> >
> > Georgian officials also apprehended former Gamsakhurdia government
> > Finance
> > Minister Guram Absandze, the alleged mastermind of the assassination
> > attempt. Russian security authorities detained Absandze in Smolensk,
> > Russia, on 16 March and extradited him to Georgia three days later,
> > where
> > he was formally arrested.
> >
> > Violence in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia accounted for several
> >
> > incidents that involved foreign personnel. In July four UN military
> > observers were taken hostage. On 21 September three UN military
> > observers
> > and their Abkhaz driver were wounded in Sukhumi during an ambush on a
> > clearly marked UN vehicle, according to press reporting. Two of the
> > injured
> > were military observers from Bangladesh, and the third victim was a UN
> > employee from Nigeria.
> >
> > Kazakhstan
> > (iirelevent data)
> >
> > Kyrgyzstan
> > (iirelevent data)
> >
> > Russia
> > The assassination on 20 November of noted reformist and Russian State
> > Duma
> > deputy Galina Starovoytova by unidentified assailants--possibly a
> > politically motivated contract killing--highlights both the terrorist
> > tactics used by domestic antagonists to influence Russian politics and
> > Moscow's inability to curb this violence. Chechen militants assassinated
> >
> > Shadid Bargishev, head of the Chechen antikidnapping squad, on 25
> > October
> > in reaction to widely publicized antikidnapping operations in Chechnya's
> >
> > capital, Groznyy. No one claimed responsibility for an explosive device
> > that detonated under Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov's car in June.
> > Maskhadov escaped without injury, but four others were killed in the
> > attack.
> >
> > At least three US citizens were kidnapped in Russia for financial gain
> > in
> > 1998. On 18 March unknown assailants abducted two US missionaries in
> > Saratov, Russia, took their money and bank cards, and released them on
> > 22
> > March. No ransom appears to have been paid. On 11 November in
> > Makhachkala,
> > Dagestan, unidentified assailants kidnapped US citizen Herbert Gregg, a
> > member of a nondenominational Protestant organization based in Illinois.
> >
> > Russian authorities continue to investigate the incident.
> >
> > Numerous abductions occurred in Russia's North Caucasus region during
> > 1998.
> > Most involved ransom demands, although political motives cannot be
> > excluded. Some Chechen groups in 1998 used kidnapping to raise money,
> > and
> > hostages could be sold and resold among various Chechen kidnapping
> > groups,
> > according to Russian officials. Several foreigners and hundreds of
> > Russian
> > civilians and soldiers kidnapped in the region still are missing. On 20
> > January, Vincent Cochetel, a French citizen who led the United Nations
> > Human Rights Commission's North Caucasus office, was abducted. He
> > finally
> > was released on 12 December. Four British employees of Granger Telecom
> > were
> > kidnapped in early October and on 8 December were found murdered. On 1
> > May,
> > Valentin Vlasov, President Boris Yeltsin's representative to Chechnya,
> > was
> > kidnapped by unknown assailants. He was released on 13 November.
> >
> > Mujahidin with extensive links to Middle Eastern and Southwest Asian
> > terrorists aided Chechen insurgents with equipment and training. The
> > insurgents were led by Habib Abdul Rahman, alias Ibn al-Khattab, an Arab
> >
> > mujahidin commander with links to Usama Bin Ladin. Khattab's forces
> > launched attacks against Russian military targets, but their activities
> > in
> > Russia were localized in the North Caucasus region.
> >
> > Tajikistan
> > (irrelevant data)
> >
> > [end of text]
> >
> > [Blue Bar]
> >
> >                    Patterns of Global Terrorism Contents
> >                          Counterterrorism Home Page
> >                          State Department Home Page
> >
> > Well folks I think that says it all for the Russian side. It gives Good
> > enough reason for the United States to NOT get involved and Do to these
> > actions and the connections to people or  groups named  above and bellow
> > the following Executive Order may apply.
> >
> >
> > [Image] [Executive Orders]
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >                        The White House Briefing Room
> >
> >      -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >      August 22, 1998
> >
> >      EXECUTIVE ORDER
> >
> >                                     THE WHITE HOUSE
> >
> >                              Office of the Press Secretary
> >                           (Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts)
> >        ___________________________________________________________
> >        For Immediate Release                        August 22, 1998
> >
> >                                     EXECUTIVE ORDER
> >
> >                                      - - - - - - -
> >
> >          PROHIBITING TRANSACTIONS WITH TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO
> > DISRUPT THE
> >                                MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS
> >
> >           By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution
> > and the
> >        laws of the United States of America, including the International
> >
> >        Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the
> > National
> >        Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and section 301 of
> > title 3,
> >        United States Code,
> >
> >           I, WILLIAM J. CLINTON, President of the United States of
> > America, in
> >        order to take additional steps with respect to grave acts of
> > violence
> >        committed by foreign terrorists that disrupt the Middle East
> > peace
> >        process and the national emergency described and declared in
> > Executive
> >        Order 12947 of January 23, 1995, hereby order:
> >
> >           Section 1. The title of the Annex to Executive Order 12947 of
> > January
> >        23, 1995, is revised to read "TERRORISTS WHO THREATEN TO DISRUPT
> > THE
> >        MIDDLE EAST PEACE PROCESS."
> >
> >           Sec. 2. The Annex to Executive Order 12947 of January 23,
> > 1995, is
> >        amended by adding thereto the following persons in appropriate
> >        alphabetical order:
> >
> >           Usama bin Muhammad bin Awad bin Ladin (a.k.a. Usama bin Ladin)
> >
> >           Islamic Army (a.k.a. Al-Qaida, Islamic Salvation Foundation,
> > The
> >        Islamic Army for the Liberation of the Holy Places, The World
> > Islamic
> >        Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders, and The Group for the
> >
> >        Preservation of the Holy Sites)
> >           Abu Hafs al-Masri
> >
> >           Rifa'i Ahmad Taha Musa
> >
> >           Sec. 3. Nothing contained in this order shall create any right
> > or
> >        benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any party
> > against the
> >        United States, its agencies or instrumentalities, its officers or
> >
> >        employees, or any other person.
> >
> >           Sec. 4. (a) This order is effective at 12:01 a.m., eastern
> > daylight
> >        time on August 21, 1998.
> >
> >           (b)  This order shall be transmitted to the Congress and
> > published in
> >        the Federal Register.
> >
> >                                    WILLIAM J. CLINTON
> >
> >        THE WHITE HOUSE,
> >        August 20, 1998.
> >
> >                                          # # #
> >
> >
>
>

In article <389DFB47.59E06240@mindspring.com>,
  Lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote:
>
> > 'GROZNY CAMPAIGN OVER'
> >
> > Moscow, Feb. 6 (DPA) - Acting President Vladimir Putin
> > today declared the Russian military campaign in the
> > Chechen capital Grozny had ended, Interfax news agency
> > reported.
> >
> > ``A short time ago the last nest of rebel resistance in
> > the Savodksi district was captured, the Russian flag is
> > flying over one of the administration buildings,''
> > Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.
> >
> > (Sniped for Space)
>
> I'll wait for further confirmation on this by Non Russian Sources. BUT
> if true GOD/Allah MAY be against the Chechen's this time See texts
> bellow.. Any Chechen or Mujahdeen supporters wish to reply???

Allah, is with the Chechens, win or lose, because they are on the right
path. They do not execute civilians, kids, old people the way Russians
do. Very little known fact: Many hundreds of Russians are fighting
alongside Chechens, and many Russian refugees of Chechnia choose to
follow the Chechen fighters rather than go for Russians for help.
This temporary lull in the war  "victory" is nothing less than a
beginning in a very long guerilla war, which may ignite the powder keg
of Asia!

Chechnia belongs to Chechens, Russia belongs to Tatars!


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Nik
"Amigocabal" <amigocabal@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:87l7md$ki3$1@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <389DFB47.59E06240@mindspring.com>,
>   Lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Dr. Jai Maharaj" wrote:
> >
> > > 'GROZNY CAMPAIGN OVER'
> > >
> > > Moscow, Feb. 6 (DPA) - Acting President Vladimir Putin
> > > today declared the Russian military campaign in the
> > > Chechen capital Grozny had ended, Interfax news agency
> > > reported.
> > >
> > > ``A short time ago the last nest of rebel resistance in
> > > the Savodksi district was captured, the Russian flag is
> > > flying over one of the administration buildings,''
> > > Interfax news agency quoted Putin as saying.
> > >
> > > (Sniped for Space)
> >
> > I'll wait for further confirmation on this by Non Russian Sources. BUT
> > if true GOD/Allah MAY be against the Chechen's this time See texts
> > bellow.. Any Chechen or Mujahdeen supporters wish to reply???
>
> Allah, is with the Chechens, win or lose, because they are on the right
> path. They do not execute civilians, kids, old people the way Russians
> do. Very little known fact: Many hundreds of Russians are fighting
> alongside Chechens, and many Russian refugees of Chechnia choose to
> follow the Chechen fighters rather than go for Russians for help.
> This temporary lull in the war  "victory" is nothing less than a
> beginning in a very long guerilla war, which may ignite the powder keg
> of Asia!
>
> Chechnia belongs to Chechens, Russia belongs to Tatars!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:

> Well I wouldn't believe anything a proven liar and adultere says... lieing
> under oath grave offence I would have thought

So is your spelling..... But that's beside the point. What I want to know is
why our "Buddy Terrorists went to RUSSIA and NOT Iran??? Get lost or are the
Mujahadin REALLY working for RUSSIA???
Ike

MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:

> The dishonourable US has even placed sanctions, via the puppet organisation
> the UN, on the Afghans a coutnry just recovering from 20 years of war.
> Simply becuase they won't release bin Laden.
>
> The sanctions have no legal basis, its just that America don't like the
> Taliban and are scared of Bin Laden :-
>
> "The Taleban say they will not turn over bin Laden because Afghan culture
> and tradition makes it impossible to hand over a guest to his enemies. They
> also argue they do not have an extradition treaty with the United States. "
>
> I'm sure there are several south american states that are in the same
> situation - don't have extradition treaties with the US.

Sane shot different pork eater. We have God/Allah on OUR side. Had you not lied
to the Chechen People they would have WON by now... But no you go and lead them
down your satanic path of dishonor and now Chechens suffer Allah's CURSE.

To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's perversions
of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they held
Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the News reports
say his people are satanic. What you do not believe me?? Then ask yourself this.
If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist attack like
the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to go to YOUR
ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North? Now these
Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in Afghanistan....Stinger
missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in killing
russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to them?  .

Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough basic
medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to a "Gun
show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not need
cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy enough
guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin only
fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings you...You
are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!

Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet Mohammed
did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.

Ike

Ike, right got ye..

lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:389FABD1.D98E1EF8@mindspring.com...
>
>
> MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh and I think you spell Lazyke without the i.
> >
>
> You should do less thinking your brain is oozing out your ass... Lazy Ike
is
> spelled Lazyike... maybe I'll tell you about it someday... It's a
nickname...
>
> Ike
>
> >
> > lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:389F2633.20508FF7@mindspring.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well I wouldn't believe anything a proven liar and adultere says...
> > lieing
> > > > under oath grave offence I would have thought
> > >
> > > So is your spelling..... But that's beside the point. What I want to
know
> > is
> > > why our "Buddy Terrorists went to RUSSIA and NOT Iran??? Get lost or
are
> > the
> > > Mujahadin REALLY working for RUSSIA???
> > > Ike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>

"That School yard comment just cost you a lot of support and just bolsters
my
point you are nothing more than a Terrorist."

I was talking about the US, Lazyike and the crime that is everywhere the
guns the violence, the sex the imorrality, the adultery, the lack of family
values, the divorces etc.. etc... it may be the 'world' power but it's not
all that its cracked up to be. Any muslim, jew, christian or any other
person for that matter that shot innocent kids should be punished both in
this life and the next. I would not support such action from anyone, even
Chechan - accepting military casualities during an attack on military
targets, so cut the crap obout being terrorists. A true mulsim does not kill
willy nilly and especially without cause. Islam is not just about violence
its about a way of life. The crime in all Arab countries is very very low,
to illustrate the point .. shops can be left open during prayer time.

> Nope wrong again.... DUDE. When we fight a just fight we have God /Allah
on our
> side therefore we win overtime.
> Before you say it ...Vietnam turned into an unjust cause therefore
God/Allah
> turned his back on us causing us to loose.

Allah gives to the disbeliever in this life but will not in the next. Allah
tests those that follow him in which ever way he wishes. If you think there
is nothing after you die then you are gravely mistaken. Most of the
principles that these Western governements live by have been taken from the
time of the Caliphate... Western powers studied Arab documents brought back
from the crusades, meanwhile the Arabs / muslims became complacent with
their wealth and good fortune that Allah had bestowed on them. The Ottoman
empire was the last muslim empire ( not quite in line with the
Caliphate )... their downfall came because of the industrial revolution and
their unwillingness to change, Islam teaches change and a search for
knowledge, correct implementation of Islamic rule is both prosperous and
peacful and its sad to say that there is not a true Islamic society on this
earth Inshalla there will be one day . We have been divided by external
forces. Islam is not about me its about us. When individuals work for us the
people and not just for themselves as individuals then the people will
progress and Islamic rule will be a natural progression. Islam teaches us to
travel to the four corners of the world for knowledge but this is our
failing our quest for knowledge seems to be going nowhere.

lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:389FAB0C.5636DCAE@mindspring.com...
>
>
> MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The Chechen's can't win on their own. What is it with you and dishonour.
The
> > mujahadeen in Chechnya are killin Russian soldiers not women and
children.
> > You Chechanyan / Russian / Jewish / muslim  or what ?? Lazyike sounds
slavik
> > or somat ??
>
> Fishing Lure....But I'm a mix of Irish. Scot. Dutch-German,  and A bit
Cherokee
> Indian.
>
> >
> >
> > > To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's
> > perversions
> > > of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they
held
> > > Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the
News
> > reports
> > > say his people are satanic.
> >
> > Abuse.. very honouable of you IKE... think you're pretty bad eh where
abouts
> > in the states do you live ?? Chechans could never have held Grozny
without
> > mujahadeen support - don't have manpower / supplies / weapons.
> >
>
> In The midwest where you have to be "Bad Assed" to Survive...
>
> >
> > > What you do not believe me?? Then ask yourself this.
> > > If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist
attack
> > like
> > > the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to
go to
> > YOUR
> > > ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North?
Now
> > these
> > > Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in
> > Afghanistan....Stinger
> > > missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in
killing
> > > russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to
them?
> > .
> >
> > Current hijacking was done by anti Taliban Shias different sect like
> > Catholics and Protestants. Russia and Iran support them obviously.
Chechnya
> > mainly Sunni muslim. And anyway you get bad apples in every people, even
the
> > big bad US. Pretty stupid of Afghans to give their weapons up don't you
> > think with Russia bordering it and possible escalation of its own civil
war.
> >
>
> I will agree With the bad apples. Afghanistan was Russia's Vietnam... they
NEED
> a victory in Cechnya to regain their pride. Things are so screwed up in
> Afghanistan that if Russia thought it had the balls to attack. The U.S.
would
> wait
> and see who would be worth helping. But still Chechens are at war with
Russia
> and Afghanistan is NOT.  So Stinger Missiles do you no good.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough
> > basic
> > > medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to
a
> > "Gun
> > > show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not
need
> > > cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy
> > enough
> > > guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin
only
> > > fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings
> > you...You
> > > are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!
> >
> > Can you imagine how many Russians we'd kill if we had access to IKE's
gun
> > shop. We'd have a field day at the local school play ground. US is a sad
> > place where crime is everywhere. The poor be poor and the rich be very
rich.
> >
>
> That School yard comment just cost you a lot of support and just bolsters
my
> point you are nothing more than a Terrorist.
> And where is crime never a problem. Ok Iran maybe but there the crime
lords own
> the country. Hey we have our problems, some of them are in Washington DC.
Most
> crime here is due to The prison Industry.  Things are bad her but this
could be
> russia, at least here I can walk down the street at 4 am and not become a
> violent crime statistic. Sometimes it gets bad though like a kid getting
killed
> over a pair of overpriced tennis shoes  or a jacket.  Even wearing All Red
or
> all blue in the wrong area can get you killed.
>
> On the good side though is we help our own when we have too.  This about
time
> last year  a Palestinian family's house burned down. Their Jewish
neighbors let
> them stay with them long enough for them to find a new place. .
>
> >
> > > Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet
> > Mohammed
> > > did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.
> >
> > You seem to be Satan's right hand man - Satan and you have a lot in
common.
> >
>
> Nope wrong again.... DUDE. When we fight a just fight we have God /Allah
on our
> side therefore we win overtime.
> Before you say it ...Vietnam turned into an unjust cause therefore
God/Allah
> turned his back on us causing us to loose.
>
>
> Ike
>
> >
> > lazyike <lazyike@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > news:389F3326.7D06C5B2@mindspring.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:
> > >
> > > > The dishonourable US has even placed sanctions, via the puppet
> > organisation
> > > > the UN, on the Afghans a coutnry just recovering from 20 years of
war.
> > > > Simply becuase they won't release bin Laden.
> > > >
> > > > The sanctions have no legal basis, its just that America don't like
the
> > > > Taliban and are scared of Bin Laden :-
> > > >
> > > > "The Taleban say they will not turn over bin Laden because Afghan
> > culture
> > > > and tradition makes it impossible to hand over a guest to his
enemies.
> > They
> > > > also argue they do not have an extradition treaty with the United
> > States. "
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure there are several south american states that are in the
same
> > > > situation - don't have extradition treaties with the US.
> > >
> > > Sane shot different pork eater. We have God/Allah on OUR side. Had you
not
> > lied
> > > to the Chechen People they would have WON by now... But no you go and
lead
> > them
> > > down your satanic path of dishonor and now Chechens suffer Allah's
CURSE.
> > >
> > > To Any Honorable Chechen who even bothers reading Pig farmer Habib's
> > perversions
> > > of faith. I ask you What have the mujahadin done for you? Have they
held
> > > Grossly? Have they forced Russia to turn tail and run? NO. Even the
News
> > reports
> > > say his people are satanic. What you do not believe me?? Then ask
yourself
> > this.
> > > If Mujahadin are fighting for Checnya then why launch a terrorist
attack
> > like
> > > the current Hijacking? New ask yourself why was this plane forced to
go to
> > YOUR
> > > ENEMY RUSSIA??? Why not Iran? Why not East towards China?? Why North?
Now
> > these
> > > Satanists have the one thing that helped them win in
> > Afghanistan....Stinger
> > > missiles...approx. 3-5000 of them... These could be very useful in
killing
> > > russian Fighters, Bombers & Helicopters, so why deny you access to
them?
> > .
> > >
> > > Here in the United states Right at this very moment  I can get enough
> > basic
> > > medical supplies to fill your hospitals 2000 times over.  I can go to
a
> > "Gun
> > > show" or in Islamic terms an Arms bazaar" and get food that does not
need
> > > cooking nor refrigeration, clothing to outfit a 300,000 man Army. Buy
> > enough
> > > guns and ammo to fight forever. I can aquaria things that Mujahadin
only
> > > fantasize about. Yet do to their dishonor and the decrease it brings
> > you...You
> > > are denied these things Allah HIMSELF WANTS FOR YOU!!!!
> > >
> > > Make a choice Die dishonored in the name of Satan or do as the prophet
> > Mohammed
> > > did and cast this Satanic verse cancer away.
> > >
> > > Ike
> > >
>

Mohammed,

 I'm tired of the flame war going on here.  We are like two kids throwing rocks
at each other because someone said we should.  I don't know about you but my arm
hurts and we both have WAY too many rocks.  I think we have allot to learn
so how about we try something different.

MOHAMMED HABIB wrote:

>
> I was talking about the US, Lazyike and the crime that is everywhere the
> guns the violence, the sex the imorrality, the adultery, the lack of family
> values, the divorces etc.. etc... it may be the 'world' power but it's not
> all that its cracked up to be.

There are times that I agree, but from a liberal point. Conservatives here want
a smaller less intrusive Government. All they have done though was do the exact
opposite and then some. They want prayer in school, and God brought back in the
classroom. THis sounds good until you look hard at the agenda. How would you
feel if this was to happen at your kids school BUT they HAD to do so according
to Jewish fundamentalism. NOW this does not look so good does it???
Christian Conservatives want to force non-christians to do things THEIR way.
Would you want your kids to pray to Christ?
be forced to participate in Christian Prayer? Of course not. do to it not being
what you believe. Conservatives want the Schools to take the role of teaching
Christ centered Morality. Problem is, is that not all Kids are Christians and
those that are, are of different factions with differing views.

We also have lots of violence but little sex on T.V.  If you watch any american
Drama  you will se this ... Attractive women get killed. People having sex get
killed. People doing whatever get killed. In every show someone dies. its
usually an attractive female. If there is not a death the female is threatened
with death. Now when you look at Spanish television for example you see the
opposed. Lots of cleavage little death. It seams Sex is bad Violence is normal.
Hence we have kids killing kids. I do not believe it is lack of "Family Values".
I think it is too much conservatism. look at the Netherlands or France or even
Italy. Lots of sex and little violence... America little sex,  Lots of violence.

As for divorce when to people marry for the wrong reasons then you get divorce.
A lot of folks say Mrs. Clinton should divorce her husband. That by her staying
she is allowing her husband to do whatever with whoever. I think that giving up
on a marriage just because things go bad is wrong "For better or worse. For
richer for poorer. In sickness and health." are part of our wedding vows, but
women and men are taught to toss this away when the other person  cheats.  Thing
is the spouse cheats because the other person gives what the spouse does not.
Most cheating happens out of boredom, lack of communication, lack of sex, & the
need for different types of sex.


Any muslim, jew, christian or any other

> person for that matter that shot innocent kids should be punished both in
> this life and the next. I would not support such action from anyone, even
> Chechan - accepting military casualities during an attack on military
> targets, so cut the crap obout being terrorists. A true mulsim does not kill
> willy nilly and especially without cause. Islam is not just about violence
> its about a way of life. The crime in all Arab countries is very very low,
> to illustrate the point .. shops can be left open during prayer time.



And what about personal freedoms? We are discovering that the only safe place is
in a prison where everything is illegal and no freedom exists.  The biggest
threat to personal freedom is Christian/Jewish/Muslim Conservatives. God/Allah
gives us free will but Conservatives hate free will and love control so they
seek to eliminate it every way they can. Anything that also poses a threat to
the monetary flow is also immoral and must be controlled or banned. Is said her
that
"Your rights end where mine begin."  If you lived next to a Conservative
christian on your left and a Jewish conservative on your right would you want
them to dictate their beliefs on you and your house? Then why do the same to
them.

Here is an example. Lets say I buy an expensive ring for my girlfriend, Take her
to a movie and dinner. we then go have sex. This is legal. Now if I give her
anything of value in exchange for sex this is prostitution. Problem is In the
fist example The act of prostitution was legal because it was dating.

>
> Allah gives to the disbeliever in this life but will not in the next. Allah
> tests those that follow him in which ever way he wishes. If you think there
> is nothing after you die then you are gravely mistaken. Most of the
> principles that these Western governements live by have been taken from the
> time of the Caliphate... Western powers studied Arab documents brought back
> from the crusades, meanwhile the Arabs / muslims became complacent with
> their wealth and good fortune that Allah had bestowed on them. The Ottoman
> empire was the last muslim empire ( not quite in line with the
> Caliphate )... their downfall came because of the industrial revolution and
> their unwillingness to change, Islam teaches change and a search for
> knowledge, correct implementation of Islamic rule is both prosperous and
> peacful and its sad to say that there is not a true Islamic society on this
> earth Inshalla there will be one day . We have been divided by external
> forces. Islam is not about me its about us. When individuals work for us the
> people and not just for themselves as individuals then the people will
> progress and Islamic rule will be a natural progression. Islam teaches us to
> travel to the four corners of the world for knowledge but this is our
> failing our quest for knowledge seems to be going nowhere.

One can not learn if Conservatism forbids it.  I was taught that "Muslims are
going to hell unless they are "born Again" in Christ and accept him as their
personal savior."  In other words God hates all non Christians and everyone but
Christians are going to hell. Well being a liberal I can see the corruption in
the Church. that Church morals my not be God's morals.
For example. God Creates Adam & Eve no one else exists.  Adam & Eve walk around
naked an are sinless. Satan in the form of a snake tempts Eve by having her eat
from the tree of Truth & Knowledge.  They proceed to lie to God and begin
dictating to God morality in HIS Garden of Eden. Well God not taking kindly to
being told how things are going to be banishes them from the Garden.

Now jump to modern day...Any and all forms of nudity are immoral and perverse,
according to various Churches. So they Dictate to god that nudity is wrong and
immoral opposite to how God created man.  So we need to ask ourselves are those
who are in porn films and strip REALLY lewd and indecent or is it Satan who is
having us turn or back on true Moral behavior?

Pray on this...Ask Allah to show you what is right and wrong not "Moral" and
"Immoral". After all everyone does what they thing is "Moral" in God's eyes.
Even the russians think they are doing the "Moral" thing, but that may not be
the "Right" thing to do.

Ike

Lazyike, okay then time for understanding and moving forward :-

> They want prayer in school, and God brought back in the
> classroom. THis sounds good until you look hard at the agenda. How would
you
> feel if this was to happen at your kids school BUT they HAD to do so
according
> to Jewish fundamentalism. NOW this does not look so good does it???
> Christian Conservatives want to force non-christians to do things THEIR
way.
> Would you want your kids to pray to Christ?
> be forced to participate in Christian Prayer? Of course not. do to it not
being
> what you believe. Conservatives want the Schools to take the role of
teaching
> Christ centered Morality. Problem is, is that not all Kids are Christians
and
> those that are, are of different factions with differing views.

People cannot be forced into Islam.. the only people we detest are idol
worshippers. We do not force people to change to Islam although a tax is
required ( probably not enforced nowadays ) from non muslims living under
the protection of the Islamic state. Implying that it is better to emmigrate
to a non muslim country for non muslims. Islam does not teach us to force
our religious beliefs upon anyone else. We have a duty to inform others but
not constantly pester or force our way of life on others. In UK I think only
in last 10 years children have stopped saying the lord's prayer every
morning at school assemblies.

>
> We also have lots of violence but little sex on T.V.  If you watch any
american
> Drama  you will se this ... Attractive women get killed. People having sex
get
> killed. People doing whatever get killed. In every show someone dies. its
> usually an attractive female. If there is not a death the female is
threatened
> with death. Now when you look at Spanish television for example you see
the
> opposed. Lots of cleavage little death. It seams Sex is bad Violence is
normal.
> Hence we have kids killing kids. I do not believe it is lack of "Family
Values".
> I think it is too much conservatism. look at the Netherlands or France or
even
> Italy. Lots of sex and little violence... America little sex,  Lots of
violence.

You might enjoy watching sex and violence, but these emotions are our animal
urges and to control them is what differentiates us from the animals. By
showing more sex on TV causes more teenage pregnancies, sexual diseases,
underage sex, pornography of children etc.. etc.. Islam teaches us that half
our religion is complete when we marry and to take care of the other half.
We have also been told that Satan is happiest when a husband and wife
divorce - he be luving it over in the US then .

>
> As for divorce when to people marry for the wrong reasons then you get
divorce.
> A lot of folks say Mrs. Clinton should divorce her husband. That by her
staying
> she is allowing her husband to do whatever with whoever. I think that
giving up
> on a marriage just because things go bad is wrong "For better or worse.
For
> richer for poorer. In sickness and health." are part of our wedding vows,
but
> women and men are taught to toss this away when the other person  cheats.
Thing
> is the spouse cheats because the other person gives what the spouse does
not.
> Most cheating happens out of boredom, lack of communication, lack of sex,
& the
> need for different types of sex.

Cheating occurs because the society allows the opportunity. Lack of sex /
need for different types of sex all stem from the lack of communication and
the exposure to the opposite sex each time yo go out. A man will naturally
look at a semi naked woman and vice versa - cause of many rapes in Western
world. Islamic values and character would instill the importance of
communication and patience in a person and overall help reduce the need for
more than one partner, extra marrital affairs and / or divorces.

> And what about personal freedoms? We are discovering that the only safe
place is
> in a prison where everything is illegal and no freedom exists.  The
biggest
> threat to personal freedom is Christian/Jewish/Muslim Conservatives.
God/Allah
> gives us free will but Conservatives hate free will and love control so
they
> seek to eliminate it every way they can. Anything that also poses a threat
to
> the monetary flow is also immoral and must be controlled or banned. Is
said her
> that
> "Your rights end where mine begin."  If you lived next to a Conservative
> christian on your left and a Jewish conservative on your right would you
want
> them to dictate their beliefs on you and your house? Then why do the same
to
> them.

I would not dictate my beliefs you have a personal choice. But for any crime
you have to be punished. You have the personal freedom to commit a cime but
you will pay for it ( note, the  offender must not have been forced into
crime because of the economical situation in the country, in this case it is
the government / rulers that are at fault ). If the people are in line with
the Islamic character, crime would simply not be a problem... which is much
the case especially in the Arab world. These conservatives are what I would
call fundamentalists that want it their way or no way. They think they do
not have to protect your rights as an individual. Islam teaches individuals
to think in terms of us but goverments also have a responsibility to
individuals and need to think of the people. Much of Islamic teaching can be
seen in the West with a bit of a twist. They took what was good and learnt
from it.

> Here is an example. Lets say I buy an expensive ring for my girlfriend,
Take her
> to a movie and dinner. we then go have sex. This is legal. Now if I give
her
> anything of value in exchange for sex this is prostitution. Problem is In
the
> fist example The act of prostitution was legal because it was dating.

Why because having sex must be done without thought of material gain and
going out ( escort agency ) with someone is okay? Probably stems from fact
that sex before marriage is seen as immoral while courting is okay. Islam
does not teach this - being alone with a woman who is not related
 daughter, mother, aunt, sister etc.. ) is a sin. And sex before marriage is
a sin. Islam teaches family values. The problem above should never occur in
a muslim country.

> One can not learn if Conservatism forbids it.  I was taught that "Muslims
are
> going to hell unless they are "born Again" in Christ and accept him as
their
> personal savior."  In other words God hates all non Christians and
everyone but
> Christians are going to hell. Well being a liberal I can see the
corruption in
> the Church. that Church morals my not be God's morals.
> For example. God Creates Adam & Eve no one else exists.  Adam & Eve walk
around
> naked an are sinless. Satan in the form of a snake tempts Eve by having
her eat
> from the tree of Truth & Knowledge.  They proceed to lie to God and begin
> dictating to God morality in HIS Garden of Eden. Well God not taking
kindly to
> being told how things are going to be banishes them from the Garden.

Caused the middle ages Church outlawed learning and burnt books during this
time muslim empire was centre of learning. We do not believe that Christians
/ Jews will go to hell for God / Allah to judge. We do not accept Chirst as
son of God he was a messenger like Moses before him and Mohammed after him.
ONe God he does not beget nor is he begotten. As for God's morals he has
sent down revelation to tell us how to behave, Quran is  for all times. This
is how we can work out what Allah's morals are.

> Now jump to modern day...Any and all forms of nudity are immoral and
perverse,
> according to various Churches. So they Dictate to god that nudity is wrong
and
> immoral opposite to how God created man.  So we need to ask ourselves are
those
> who are in porn films and strip REALLY lewd and indecent or is it Satan
who is
> having us turn or back on true Moral behavior?

True moral behaviour would be running around naked in the streets shagging
every bird ( or bloke depending on your inclination ) that you saw. Nope
somehow I don't think Allah gave us a brain so that we could behave like
animals.

> Pray on this...Ask Allah to show you what is right and wrong not "Moral"
and
> "Immoral". After all everyone does what they thing is "Moral" in God's
eyes.
> Even the russians think they are doing the "Moral" thing, but that may not
be
> the "Right" thing to do.

The Russians know they are wrong, they are just being ignorant, proud,
greedy, etc.. and basically a pain in the butt. Allah tells us in clear
signs, for those that understand, what is right and what is wrong, what is
moral and what is immoral and within our hearts we know the truth, Christian
/ Muslim / Jew or any other religion or nationality -  or even  you Ike !