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Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:00
Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: donnellymb@my-de
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:00
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The Moscow Times (Saturday, February 5, 2000) Students to Learn Less, Think More By Yulia Solovyova Staff Writer For decades, entrance exams have been a rite of passage for university- bound students, who memorize mountains of information for detailed tests on the specific subject they want to study, whether literature, mathematics, physics. All that would be swept away under an Education Ministry plan to make wide-ranging changes in the educational system. The plan, which needs approval in the State Duma, would shift the traditional emphasis from testing memorized knowledge to analytical and problem-solving skills. While it's being pushed by a new, energetic education minister, the plan has opponents who say it risks shortchanging students by giving up traditional strengths of Soviet and Russian schools. Key features of the plan include: -Cutting out 20 percent of the school curriculum and spreading it over 12 years instead of 10. The reason: Too much material means kids don't really learn it well. During the last two years, students will get a chance to specialize. -Ending specific, content-focused entrance exams in favor of standardized tests emphasizing analytical skills over memorized knowledge. -Reducing the amount of math and science and increasing the time spent on humanities. -Textbooks will be rewritten to eliminate remaining ideological baggage and historical distortions from the Soviet period. After 10 years in school, where they study a heavy load of applied sciences and do a good deal of memorizing, university-bound Russian students have had to pass admission exams written by an Education Ministry commission for the different areas of study. Students often hire private tutors to meet specific requirements of their school of choice. The Education Ministry believes it is planning to change rather than water down the curriculum. One-third of high school students don't grasp the applied sciences curriculum and that's what they are going to cut, the ministry says in its draft plan. They think since there will be an opportunity to specialize during the last two years, students will catch up. Valery Pomogaibin, dean of the psychology department at the private Modern University for the Humanities, agrees. "Educational content should be reduced and maximized," he said. "We are fooling ourselves when we are trying to teach our kids all this chemistry and physics, knowing they'll surely forget it as soon as they graduate, and when we give them good marks at the exam." David Patton, head of the American Council for International Education in Moscow, said, "You can't do it all. ... A balance is not a bad idea to produce a more well-rounded student." A Russian equivalent of the American Standard Aptitude Test, aimed at evaluating the student's analytical thinking rather than accumulated knowledge, would replace admissions exams. One thing that will not change under any circumstances: Education offered by the state will remain free of charge for all students. Behind the reform is Education Minister Vladimir Filippov, the former rector of Patrice Lumumba People's Friendship University. Filippov, 48, believes the change is based on the current demographic and economic situation. According to the ministry's calculations, the number of young people in Russian high schools will decrease by one- third in the next three years. By 2009, the number of state-paid university seats will exceed the number of high school graduates by 400,000. Despite Finance Ministry objections to the cost, Filippov insists the number of seats should not be cut, giving more people a chance to go to college after school. He proposes increasing the share of the education spending from the current 3.5 percent to 6 percent of the federal budget over 15 years. "There is a term 'mass higher education' in the civilized world," Filippov was quoted as saying by the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper last month. "Let's upgrade society's level of education, since we have an opportunity, instead of throwing our kids out in the streets." Not all are convinced. A polemic between Russian and U.S. educators broke out last December on David Johnson's Russia e-mail list. It was triggered by a piece written by Andrew Miller, an American teaching in St. Petersburg. "The curriculum of most Russian universities is still prescribed by bureaucrats in Moscow. Students study most subjects using books written before Gorbachev. If you imagine that Russian kids are now hip to the lame political rap laid down by these texts and discount it, you obviously haven't talked with many," Miller wrote about his experience at St. Petersburg's prestigious Herzen State Teachers' College. Russian professors launched a counteroffensive at the American system of education, calling Miller's remarks "Neanderthal attacks" and "just another example of American cultural imperialism." "No system is perfect, but I can testify that overall Russian students are brighter, more intelligent and better educated; not only compared to students but to some American professors, too," wrote Alexander Domrin, who teaches at the Institute of Legislation and Comparative Law. Patton, of the American Council for International Education, who supports the changes, adds that Russian education remains very strong in several core areas, especially its classical foundation and applied sciences. The 1995 Third International Math and Science Study, an international assessment of student achievement, indicated that overall Russian students generally do a little better than their American counterparts. In 1995, when the test was last conducted, seventh- and eighth-grade Russians performed "slightly above average," according to Michael Martin, codirector of the study. Russia was in the top third of the 39 participating countries, doing about as well as the United States in science and better in math. But, by the end of high school, Russian students did quite well in math and physics, ranking second in advanced mathematics after France and finishing third in physics, while the Americans came in last. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "Leonid"
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:00
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:00
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Joke's on you, pal. Where most advances in biotechnology are made - the United States or Russia?:) (not that anybody would declare U.S.school education as trouble-free). Dima Klenchin <klenchin@facstaff.REMOVE_TO_REPLY.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:87kh73$80b2$2@news.doit.wisc.edu... > :The Moscow Times (Saturday, February 5, 2000) > : > :Students to Learn Less, Think More > : > :Key features of the plan include: > : > :-Cutting out 20 percent of the school curriculum and spreading it over > :12 years instead of 10. The reason: Too much material means kids don't > :really learn it well. During the last two years, students will get a > :chance to specialize. > : > :-Ending specific, content-focused entrance exams in favor of > :standardized tests emphasizing analytical skills over memorized > :knowledge. > : > :-Reducing the amount of math and science and increasing the time spent > :on humanities. > : > > All this is implemented in US. Why is then US public education so > pathetically bad? High school students take biology and learn about > the structure of DNA without ever taking chemistry and learninf a > structure of water. State university graduates have no idea about > salt hydrolysis and cannot apply Ohm's law in real life (even those > few who heard about it). Sheeesh, is *this* a future of education in > Russia? What a joke. > > - Dima >
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "firefly"
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:00
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:00
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Welcome to the US education system!!!!!!
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "Michael"
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:00
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firefly <hviezda@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:BPkn4.288$_h5.7522@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Welcome to the US education system!!!!!! > > Fly, it would be very useful for you to have at least this one:)))
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "Michael"
Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 00:00
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firefly <hviezda@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:TBon4.609$o01.19721@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Miska > > Don't wory about me, I have my education, what about you!!!!!! > > I guess I am a lucky one I do not have your education, you've taken it already:))).
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "firefly"
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:00
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Miska Don't wory about me, I have my education, what about you!!!!!!
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "Leonid"
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 00:00
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Silly boy Dima, having nothing to respond with to a rather simple question, offered some crap instead:) Here's your second chance, Dima - which country is more advanced in biotechnology, the United States or Russia? (please spare me lecture about money - what I already forgot about it, you'd never know. LOL). By the way, Dima, why all those foreign students come to the United States, not Russia? Money? How come intellectually superior Russians cannot earn it?:)) P.S. I suppose it takes "educated" Russian boy, to claim that whatever the United States achieved in science it owes to money:) Well, boychick, it does take "some" money, and no, money doesn't grow on trees in the United States. One more thing, myth about Russian intellectual superiority over Americans is just that - myth. More, we all know where that myth was born, don't we?:)) Enjoy Wisconsin till it lasts.. Dima Klenchin <klenchin@REMOVE_TO_REPLY.facstaff.wisc.edu> wrote in message news:87l1ba$9lr4$1@news.doit.wisc.edu... > "Leonid" <leonid@sprintmail.com> wrote: > :Joke's on you, pal. Where most advances in biotechnology are made - the > :United States or Russia?:) > > First, you seem to be confusing money with education. > > Second, even the current highly efficient (for the short term only) > system would fall apart without a feudal "postdoc" practice in Universities > and a constant and steady influx of graduate students and postdocs > from other countries. > > - Dima > : > :Dima Klenchin <klenchin@facstaff.REMOVE_TO_REPLY.wisc.edu> wrote in message > :news:87kh73$80b2$2@news.doit.wisc.edu... > :> :The Moscow Times (Saturday, February 5, 2000) > :> : > :> :Students to Learn Less, Think More > :> : > :> :Key features of the plan include: > :> : > :> :-Cutting out 20 percent of the school curriculum and spreading it over > :> :12 years instead of 10. The reason: Too much material means kids don't > :> :really learn it well. During the last two years, students will get a > :> :chance to specialize. > :> : > :> :-Ending specific, content-focused entrance exams in favor of > :> :standardized tests emphasizing analytical skills over memorized > :> :knowledge. > :> : > :> :-Reducing the amount of math and science and increasing the time spent > :> :on humanities. > :> : > :> > :> All this is implemented in US. Why is then US public education so > :> pathetically bad? High school students take biology and learn about > :> the structure of DNA without ever taking chemistry and learninf a > :> structure of water. State university graduates have no idea about > :> salt hydrolysis and cannot apply Ohm's law in real life (even those > :> few who heard about it). Sheeesh, is *this* a future of education in > :> Russia? What a joke. > :> > :> - Dima > :> > : > :
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "toutkewicz"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:00
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Dima Klenchin wrote in message <87kh73$80b2$2@news.doit.wisc.edu>... >:The Moscow Times (Saturday, February 5, 2000) >: >:>few who heard about it). Sheeesh, is *this* a future of education in >Russia? What a joke. > > - Dima
Re: Students to Learn Less, Think More
Author: "toutkewicz"
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:00
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Dima, you are right! Dima Klenchin wrote in message <87kh73$80b2$2@news.doit.wisc.edu>... >:The Moscow Times (Saturday, February 5, 2000) >: >:Students to Learn Less, Think More >:
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