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2 total messages Started by ferrovia@pimac2. Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:00
Advice sought for selecting a digital scope
#23
Author: ferrovia@pimac2.
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:00
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We are in the process of purchasing a new digital scope for our lab.
After looking at what was available on the market, we have focused
our attention on the following models:

Tektronix TDS784 (1 GHz, 4 ch, 4 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch)
Tektronix TDS744 (0.5 GHz, 4ch, 2 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch)
LeCroy 9370M (1 GHz, 2 ch, 2GS/s, 500 ksample/ch)
LeCroy 9350AM (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 1GS/s, 500 ksample/ch)
HP 54522A (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 2GS/s, 32 ksample/ch)

We have also been testing demo units for the TDS744, 9370M and HP54522A.

We would like to know the opinions of people who have been using some of
these scopes for a while, in order to help us making a decision. We did
not have a chance of measuring the effective bit number vs. frequency on the
demo units we had available, and there are rumours that the LeCroy's could
perform worse than the Tektronix's from this point of view.
On the other hand, the pricing here (considering also that we have no
interest in 4 channels) is much more attractive for the LeCroy
scopes (in the range of USD 20,000 both for 500 MHz and 1 GHz) than for
the Tek ones (in the range of USD 20,000 for the 500 MHz model but
of USD 40,000 (?) for the 1 GHz model).
The Tektronix scopes have a much nicer, LCD shutter, color video display,
but that is not important for our applications. On the other hand, both
the Le Croy and the HP scopes show the time stamp for each record acquired
in repetitive single-shot, which is not available on the Tektronix units.
We would like to have some feedback from users of the scopes I listed at
the beginning, in particular about the accuracy, and the actual number
of effective bits. Any other suggestion or impression is also welcome,
so that we can make a choice as informed as possible.

                                                  Thanks
                                                Massimo Macucci
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Re: Advice sought for selecting a digital scope
#43
Author: dank@barlow.cse.
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 00:00
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In article <47ocb4$16bq@serra.unipi.it> ferrovia@pimac2.iet.unipi.it (Massimo Macucci) writes:
>We are in the process of purchasing a new digital scope for our lab.

>Tektronix TDS784 (1 GHz, 4 ch, 4 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch)
>Tektronix TDS744 (0.5 GHz, 4ch, 2 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch)
>LeCroy 9370M (1 GHz, 2 ch, 2GS/s, 500 ksample/ch)
>LeCroy 9350AM (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 1GS/s, 500 ksample/ch)
>HP 54522A (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 2GS/s, 32 ksample/ch)

>We would like to know the opinions of people who have been using some of
>these scopes for a while, in order to help us making a decision. We did
>not have a chance of measuring the effective bit number vs. frequency on the
>demo units we had available, and there are rumours that the LeCroy's could
>perform worse than the Tektronix's from this point of view.
> . . . .
>We would like to have some feedback from users of the scopes I listed at
>the beginning, in particular about the accuracy, and the actual number
>of effective bits.

I have measured effective bits on both Tek 'scopes, and on 4-channel
versions of the LeCroy and HP 'scopes.  (It's part of my job to make such
measurements, since I design 'scope front-ends at Tek.)  But assuming
you don't want to take my word for it, since I am not an independent
third-party reviewer, let me suggest a way to observe the relative
acquisition accuracy of the DSOs yourself.  This can be done in a few
minutes time on demo 'scopes if you have the signal source available.

Connect to the 'scope under test a pure sine-wave.  The input frequency
should be near the top end of the frequency range for which you plan on
using the 'scope, but not a small-integer harmonic relation to the sample
rate (so that harmonics generated within the 'scope will not alias onto
the fundamental).  Adjust the input amplitude to cover most of the screen
(e.g. 90% of full-scale).  A good source for a pure sine-wave is a
frequency-synthesized signal generator followed by a low-pass or band-pass
filter to remove harmonics.  (In fact, a major reason for using a sine-wave
for the test is because it is relatively easy to generate known-pure sine-
waves in this manner.)  A high-frequency, high-amplitude sine provides the
best opportunity to look for dynamic errors within the 'scope's front-end.

Run an FFT on the acuired data (FFTs are available in all of the 'scope
models mentioned above), and observe the relative height of the fundamental
component (the true input) and all the other spurs.  Harmonic distortion
will show up at frequencies that are an integer multiple of the input, or
aliases thereof.  For 'scopes that interleave several channels to obtain
higher sample rate, interleaving errors will show up at frequencies that
are separated from DC or the fundamental by integer multiples of Fs/N, where
N channels are interleaved.  Yet other spur frequencies can result if there
is phase modulation of the sample clock (e.g. due to signal crosstalk) or
various other errors.

Keep in mind that 6 dB represents a factor of two in accuracy.  In other
words, if the spurs in one 'scope's FFT are 6 dBc higher than in another's,
the errors are twice as big.

I would be glad to provide more information on how to interpret FFTs of
sine-wave inputs in evaluating 'scope acquisition error sources, if people
are interested.  I'm not going to provide the measurements of specific
models (though I've about done them all), since this is not an appropriate
place to advertise.

- Dan Knierim
These opinions aren't worth the standard disclaimer form they're printed on!


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