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Started by ferrovia@pimac2.
Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:00
Advice sought for selecting a digital scope
Author: ferrovia@pimac2.
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:00
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 00:00
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We are in the process of purchasing a new digital scope for our lab. After looking at what was available on the market, we have focused our attention on the following models: Tektronix TDS784 (1 GHz, 4 ch, 4 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch) Tektronix TDS744 (0.5 GHz, 4ch, 2 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch) LeCroy 9370M (1 GHz, 2 ch, 2GS/s, 500 ksample/ch) LeCroy 9350AM (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 1GS/s, 500 ksample/ch) HP 54522A (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 2GS/s, 32 ksample/ch) We have also been testing demo units for the TDS744, 9370M and HP54522A. We would like to know the opinions of people who have been using some of these scopes for a while, in order to help us making a decision. We did not have a chance of measuring the effective bit number vs. frequency on the demo units we had available, and there are rumours that the LeCroy's could perform worse than the Tektronix's from this point of view. On the other hand, the pricing here (considering also that we have no interest in 4 channels) is much more attractive for the LeCroy scopes (in the range of USD 20,000 both for 500 MHz and 1 GHz) than for the Tek ones (in the range of USD 20,000 for the 500 MHz model but of USD 40,000 (?) for the 1 GHz model). The Tektronix scopes have a much nicer, LCD shutter, color video display, but that is not important for our applications. On the other hand, both the Le Croy and the HP scopes show the time stamp for each record acquired in repetitive single-shot, which is not available on the Tektronix units. We would like to have some feedback from users of the scopes I listed at the beginning, in particular about the accuracy, and the actual number of effective bits. Any other suggestion or impression is also welcome, so that we can make a choice as informed as possible. Thanks Massimo Macucci -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | macucci@pimic.iet.unipi.it | | | Dipartimento di Ingegneria dell'Informazione | Tel. +39 50 568537 | | Universita` di Pisa | | | Via Diotisalvi, 2 | | | I-56126 PISA | FAX +39 50 568522 | | Italy | | | | | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Advice sought for selecting a digital scope
Author: dank@barlow.cse.
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 00:00
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 00:00
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In article <47ocb4$16bq@serra.unipi.it> ferrovia@pimac2.iet.unipi.it (Massimo Macucci) writes: >We are in the process of purchasing a new digital scope for our lab. >Tektronix TDS784 (1 GHz, 4 ch, 4 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch) >Tektronix TDS744 (0.5 GHz, 4ch, 2 GS/s, 50 ksample/ch) >LeCroy 9370M (1 GHz, 2 ch, 2GS/s, 500 ksample/ch) >LeCroy 9350AM (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 1GS/s, 500 ksample/ch) >HP 54522A (0.5 GHz, 2ch, 2GS/s, 32 ksample/ch) >We would like to know the opinions of people who have been using some of >these scopes for a while, in order to help us making a decision. We did >not have a chance of measuring the effective bit number vs. frequency on the >demo units we had available, and there are rumours that the LeCroy's could >perform worse than the Tektronix's from this point of view. > . . . . >We would like to have some feedback from users of the scopes I listed at >the beginning, in particular about the accuracy, and the actual number >of effective bits. I have measured effective bits on both Tek 'scopes, and on 4-channel versions of the LeCroy and HP 'scopes. (It's part of my job to make such measurements, since I design 'scope front-ends at Tek.) But assuming you don't want to take my word for it, since I am not an independent third-party reviewer, let me suggest a way to observe the relative acquisition accuracy of the DSOs yourself. This can be done in a few minutes time on demo 'scopes if you have the signal source available. Connect to the 'scope under test a pure sine-wave. The input frequency should be near the top end of the frequency range for which you plan on using the 'scope, but not a small-integer harmonic relation to the sample rate (so that harmonics generated within the 'scope will not alias onto the fundamental). Adjust the input amplitude to cover most of the screen (e.g. 90% of full-scale). A good source for a pure sine-wave is a frequency-synthesized signal generator followed by a low-pass or band-pass filter to remove harmonics. (In fact, a major reason for using a sine-wave for the test is because it is relatively easy to generate known-pure sine- waves in this manner.) A high-frequency, high-amplitude sine provides the best opportunity to look for dynamic errors within the 'scope's front-end. Run an FFT on the acuired data (FFTs are available in all of the 'scope models mentioned above), and observe the relative height of the fundamental component (the true input) and all the other spurs. Harmonic distortion will show up at frequencies that are an integer multiple of the input, or aliases thereof. For 'scopes that interleave several channels to obtain higher sample rate, interleaving errors will show up at frequencies that are separated from DC or the fundamental by integer multiples of Fs/N, where N channels are interleaved. Yet other spur frequencies can result if there is phase modulation of the sample clock (e.g. due to signal crosstalk) or various other errors. Keep in mind that 6 dB represents a factor of two in accuracy. In other words, if the spurs in one 'scope's FFT are 6 dBc higher than in another's, the errors are twice as big. I would be glad to provide more information on how to interpret FFTs of sine-wave inputs in evaluating 'scope acquisition error sources, if people are interested. I'm not going to provide the measurements of specific models (though I've about done them all), since this is not an appropriate place to advertise. - Dan Knierim These opinions aren't worth the standard disclaimer form they're printed on!
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