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"Lee Olsen" <paleocity@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Val Lentz" <vlentz@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> <snip>
> >
> > I am not knowledgable about North America at all,
>
> And you will surely stay that way if you  get too much of your
> information from Mammoth Trumpet :-)

I'm not knowledgable through choice...  Just happened across the article
looking for an answer to something else.  If you'd noticed, Daryl had
already brought up and discussed the site, but I didn't realize that the
Chobot site was the same Buck Lake site he mentioned.

> > so this little report from
> > 2000 is probably old hat...
>
> So, more like old garbage...

Okay...

> What you linked to is only the an inset to the article itself, sort of
> a lead-in.
>
> > But apparently not every thing gets chewed up
> > by those glaciers:
>
> No, just a perfect example of what happens to ordinary rock that gets
> chewed up by those glaciers.

So...  Does that mean that you know how deep those glaciers dug into the
previous surface?  And if something is found middling around the center of
one of those moraines, could it be considered to have been from before the
glaciers decended?

> > http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/mt.html?a'
> >
> > "
> > Perhaps there is a new source of data that can illuminate the
pre-glacial
> > period:
>
> Perhaps.... but not likely at the Chobot's property.
>
> > Chobot Site FfPq-3. In 1983 and 1984 the Chobots investigated the
> > cobble beads.
>
> The spelling errors are probably from the scanner program, these
> errors do not appear in the original MT article.

Hmmm.  So you don't recommend the magazine, but you read it yourself? ;)

> > Moraines had formed over the cobble beads, presumably from the
> > glacial episode that closed the ice-free corridor. On top of the moraine
> > deposits they found artifacts of Clovis culture
>
> If the lone fluted artifact pictured in the Mammoth Trumpet article is
> representative of what the Chobot's are claiming as the "Clovis
> culture," then no Clovis level exists on their property, because that
> not a Clovis point.

And since you are knowlegable about these points, what is it
representative of?

> >that undoubtedly date to a
> > period after 14,000 years ago, when the climate had improved and
burgeoning
> > vegetation could have supported animal life. But they also found
artifacts
> > under the moraines.
>
> Kanzi is making better quality artifacts than those shown in the
> article, i.e., those labeled "under the moraines." The artifacts that
> are not geofacts and found at higher levels at the site are probably
> in the 10k range or younger.

I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying here.  What would it
matter that someone today can make better artifacts than what was found?
Those labeled "under the moraines" would probably be older than the 10 ky
you have given for dates of those found "at higher levels" wouldn't they?
;)

> > What is more astonishing, they have found two layers of
> > cultural soils under the cobble beds. It would appear that humans have
> > subsisted here, or at least passed through on their search for better
> > climes, well before Clovis."
>
> What is really astonishing is that MT would link their name to a site
> like this in the first place.
>
> Mammoth Trumpet is a news magazine, not a peer-reviewed journal and
> this was the first issue by a new editor, maybe that is their excuse.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here either...  So they are a news
magazine.  Why is it so astonishing that they would report on an
interesting, controversial site?  Sounds to me like a way to draw attention
to themselves... :)

Val