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Article #98027

Re: Bluefish Cave Site

#98027
From: paleocity@hotmai
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:54
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"Val Lentz" <vlentz@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<ozzfc.129780$Ig.92682@pd7tw2no>...
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>
> I am not knowledgable about North America at all,

And you will surely stay that way if you  get too much of your
information from Mammoth Trumpet :-)

> so this little report from
> 2000 is probably old hat...

So, more like old garbage...

What you linked to is only the an inset to the article itself, sort of
a lead-in.

> But apparently not every thing gets chewed up
> by those glaciers:

No, just a perfect example of what happens to ordinary rock that gets
chewed up by those glaciers.

>
> http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/mt.html?a'
>
> "
> Perhaps there is a new source of data that can illuminate the pre-glacial
> period:

Perhaps.... but not likely at the Chobot's property.

> Chobot Site FfPq-3. In 1983 and 1984 the Chobots investigated the
> cobble beads.

The spelling errors are probably from the scanner program, these
errors do not appear in the original MT article.

> Moraines had formed over the cobble beads, presumably from the
> glacial episode that closed the ice-free corridor. On top of the moraine
> deposits they found artifacts of Clovis culture

If the lone fluted artifact pictured in the Mammoth Trumpet article is
representative of what the Chobot's are claiming as the "Clovis
culture," then no Clovis level exists on their property, because that
not a Clovis point.

>that undoubtedly date to a
> period after 14,000 years ago, when the climate had improved and burgeoning
> vegetation could have supported animal life. But they also found artifacts
> under the moraines.

Kanzi is making better quality artifacts than those shown in the
article, i.e., those labeled "under the moraines." The artifacts that
are not geofacts and found at higher levels at the site are probably
in the 10k range or younger.

> What is more astonishing, they have found two layers of
> cultural soils under the cobble beds. It would appear that humans have
> subsisted here, or at least passed through on their search for better
> climes, well before Clovis."

What is really astonishing is that MT would link their name to a site
like this in the first place.

Mammoth Trumpet is a news magazine, not a peer-reviewed journal and
this was the first issue by a new editor, maybe that is their excuse.

>
>
> Val


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