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On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:12:34 +0000, darius wrote:

> If I contact the same VIP using Twitter, Facebook, Telegram and 4
> accounts on Zangi messanger, telling me on Twitter about his AI chat
> technology implemented, I can call him to verify if he is trying to fool
> me in live chats.
>
> But how to identify Chat Robot Poster on usenet ?
>
> Do you have any idea ?
>
> I makes no sense to join threads initated by Chat Robots.

We would need several examples with full headers.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:56:16 +0000, darius wrote:

> I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
> and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.
>
> I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
> marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
> servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.
>
> If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
> they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
> interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.
>
> Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
> response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
> can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.

Some of us have created filters for bots in one particular use a while
back, which seemed to work ok. The point is that we need to see what
they're doing first (what criteria to use to filter). They're not all the
same.

> Ok, users on Usenet can be redirected to pass "I am not a robot" test
> first (Twitter and others)

How would that work? Most Usenet users do not use a web interface, and
certainly an automated bot has much better ways to post than to worry about
a captcha. I certainly have no plans to add a captcha beyond what is used
to register.

I really don't think Usenet users want to mimic Google Groups, Twitter,
Facebook, etc. We're doing fine without doing that.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 21:21:23 +0000, darius wrote:

> captcha is an old, low-tech technology solution
>
> What matters are global internet vip-s, flooding the world with
> multi-instances of chat bots.
>
> I am in touch with No.1 global vip and he clearly advised me to use AI
> chat technology on the internet,
> so I must be smarter than he, not wasting my time on his AI chat bot
> experiments.
>
> My solution is to replace live chat with live call, since voice chat
> bots are still under development.
>
> But I need solutions for Usenet, not to follow threads originated by
> chat bots, since making voice call is not supported by Usenet

Are you seeing this problem on Usenet currently, and on a regular basis? Or
is this something you fear for the future?

Btw, I'm not a bot :) - Sure, that's exactly what a bot would say!

I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.

I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.

If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.

Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.

Ok, users on Usenet can be redirected to pass "I am not a robot" test
first (Twitter and others)

captcha is an old, low-tech technology solution

What matters are global internet vip-s, flooding the world with
multi-instances of chat bots.

I am in touch with No.1 global vip and he clearly advised me to use AI
chat technology on the internet,
so I must be smarter than he, not wasting my time on his AI chat bot
experiments.

My solution is to replace live chat with live call, since voice chat
bots are still under development.

But I need solutions for Usenet, not to follow threads originated by
chat bots, since making voice call is not supported by Usenet

We need smarter solutions to identify AI chat bots, since VIPs invest
$Bs in the development of AI technologies to fool us with delusional
live chats by bots.

"are you bot or human ?

"I am human VIP

2/2

I chat with Elon Musk every day

He lives on X, Facebook, Telegramm, Whatsapp, TikTok, Zangi ....
at the same time

It's virtually not possible for a human to talk the whole day on tens of
internet accounts.

So some or all of his accounts are served by chat robots since voice
calls are not picked up.

But Elon calls me his friend, me too, but life is for real
and I have founded #ForeverYoung Longevity Institute in Saudi Arabia
and discuss Natural Photodynamic Therapy to save lives of millions of
women diagnosed with breast cancer world-wide.

So I need tools to let me identify chat robots on Usenet to not waste my
time since
Elon is my test bed for chat robots.

Can you help me ?

On Tue, 1 Oct 2024 23:22:58 +0000, darius wrote:

> 2/2
>
> I chat with Elon Musk every day
>
> He lives on X, Facebook, Telegramm, Whatsapp, TikTok, Zangi ....
> at the same time
>
> It's virtually not possible for a human to talk the whole day on tens of
> internet accounts.
>
> So some or all of his accounts are served by chat robots since voice
> calls are not picked up.
>
> But Elon calls me his friend, me too, but life is for real
> and I have founded #ForeverYoung Longevity Institute in Saudi Arabia
> and discuss Natural Photodynamic Therapy to save lives of millions of
> women diagnosed with breast cancer world-wide.
>
> So I need tools to let me identify chat robots on Usenet to not waste my
> time since
> Elon is my test bed for chat robots.

?

>
> Can you help me ?

I don't think I can.

I am sure, you can.
You are the best.

Elon once told me he was using AI and sent me from X to Zangi Messenger
to talk to him, and then there were 4 accounts on Zangi, and then
Telegram, Whatsapp, etc. etc.
Elon is the Number 1 Media Director in the world.

But I studied interactive media at MIT, Media Department 30 years ago
and I always told my students to limit social media activity, because
life is for real and social media are virtual worlds and only stimulate
the mind to hyperactivity, pinging it hundreds of times a day.

And this is very harmful to the nervous system, because it overclocks
the brain waves from a relaxed state to an alert state, leading to
extreme intellectual exhaustion.

Here, social media works similarly to infrasound, the infrasound
vibrations generated by industrial wind farms. And infrasound vibrations
are transmitted through the ground kilometers away from the wind turbine
tower and vibrate the foundations of buildings, walls, ceilings,
windows, sleeping beds, and people subjected to prolonged exposure to
infrasound vibrations suffer extreme exhaustion as they are subjected to
insomnia on a daily basis, leading to extreme exhaustion syndrome, heart
attack, paralysis, Parkinson's and rapid death due to Chronic Fatigue
Syndrome.

Elon has lived on social media for years, and very actively, with 100
Facebook pages and 24-hour permanent chatting, constant intense activity
that can lead to extreme exhaustion and depression.

That's why it's so important to identify smart chat bots on usenet and
suggest that Elon switch to chat bots and stop exhausting himself on
social media every day.

Because I talk to him for about an hour once a day, and after all, he
has millions of friends, fans all over the world, he has a family, he
has children, he has a house, he has his own private acitivities, home,
company, office, and he should save himself and limit his time spent on
social media so that he doesn't exhaust himself to the extreme
intellectually in a future.

He is No.1 in the media worlds today

Please help me.
Please help Elon.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

Finally,

AI chatbox by Elon

Elon Musk
@elonmusk
·
Obserwuj
Groooook
xAI
@xai
Announcing Grok!

Grok is an AI modeled after the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, so
intended to answer almost anything and, far harder, even suggest what
questions to ask!

Grok is designed to answer questions with a bit of wit and has a
rebellious streak, so please don’t use…

__

I need your help in getting to know if AI chatbox by Elon, called Grok,
is in use on Usenet

On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 12:58:06 +0000
manta103g@gmail.com (darius) wrote:

> I am sure, you can.
> You are the best.
>
> Elon once told me he was using AI and sent me from X to Zangi
> Messenger to talk to him, and then there were 4 accounts on Zangi,
> and then Telegram, Whatsapp, etc. etc.
> Elon is the Number 1 Media Director in the world.
>
> But I studied interactive media at MIT, Media Department 30 years ago
> and I always told my students to limit social media activity, because
> life is for real and social media are virtual worlds and only
> stimulate the mind to hyperactivity, pinging it hundreds of times a
> day.
>
> And this is very harmful to the nervous system, because it overclocks
> the brain waves from a relaxed state to an alert state, leading to
> extreme intellectual exhaustion.
>
> Here, social media works similarly to infrasound, the infrasound
> vibrations generated by industrial wind farms. And infrasound
> vibrations are transmitted through the ground kilometers away from
> the wind turbine tower and vibrate the foundations of buildings,
> walls, ceilings, windows, sleeping beds, and people subjected to
> prolonged exposure to infrasound vibrations suffer extreme exhaustion
> as they are subjected to insomnia on a daily basis, leading to
> extreme exhaustion syndrome, heart attack, paralysis, Parkinson's and
> rapid death due to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
>
> Elon has lived on social media for years, and very actively, with 100
> Facebook pages and 24-hour permanent chatting, constant intense
> activity that can lead to extreme exhaustion and depression.
>
> That's why it's so important to identify smart chat bots on usenet and
> suggest that Elon switch to chat bots and stop exhausting himself on
> social media every day.
>
> Because I talk to him for about an hour once a day, and after all, he
> has millions of friends, fans all over the world, he has a family, he
> has children, he has a house, he has his own private acitivities,
> home, company, office, and he should save himself and limit his time
> spent on social media so that he doesn't exhaust himself to the
> extreme intellectually in a future.
>
> He is No.1 in the media worlds today
>
> Please help me.
> Please help Elon.
>
> Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

This seems like concern trolling for building a false narrative
ahead of planned censorship. This looks like a astro-turfed perception
management discussion. Ostensibly someone is posting unwanted opinions
and another someone is scheming a way to 'legitimately' censor them by
accusing them of spamming with a bot. But the real goal is shutting
down the opinion of the target author.

Meanwhile all the other bots that have been spamming for 15+ years go
ignored and even assisted by the same system operators who play in
these little pantomimes and shell games.

Every so often the same censorship apparatchiks try to start these kind
of discussions in the news.admin groups. Of late they haven't been able
to gain traction. But they keep trying. They can't name the target they
want to censor so they try the sledgehammer approach of accusing the
system operator, trying to get the whole server de-peered.

It works on fediverse, facebook, twitter, reddit, hackernews, etc., and
they want to make it work here. Fediverse has perverts spamming
pictures of naked women of questionable legal age, and absolutely
nothing is done about that. But if you question the darwin award death
jab, you are branded a disinformation troll requiring immediate
censorship. If you deny that trans genocide is happening everywhere
they can't delete your account fast enough.

When they can't get their way they spin up more copies of their own AI
spam bots to annoy and harass the people they wish to censor. The added
benefit from their point of view is the sowing of mass confusion to
dilute every message except the ones their paymasters advertise.

Bastard is as bastard does, hell spawn yawn, tweedle dee and tweedle
dumb and all that.

My suggestion is for 'darius' to stop posting off-topic in this group.
There are other groups for this kind of matter.

ok, thanks,
which usenet group, supported by NovaBBS do you suggest ?

Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:

> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:56:16 +0000, darius wrote:
>
>> I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
>> and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.
>>
>> I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
>> marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
>> servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.
>>
>> If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
>> they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
>> interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.
>>
>> Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
>> response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
>> can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.
>
> Some of us have created filters for bots in one particular use a while
> back, which seemed to work ok. The point is that we need to see what
> they're doing first (what criteria to use to filter). They're not all the
> same.

I'm pretty sure the guy is talking not about simple spam bots, but about
actual AI, spmething like ChatGPT. Unfortunately, it is very possible
to create fake "netizen", read messages from Usenet servers, feed them
to ChatGPT, and send his replies back. I'm pretty sure something like
that is already going on on platforms like Twitter.

One obvious way to deal with it would be using Web of Trust. We all
would be signing our messages with our PGP keys, and we read only
messages that we trust were created by real human. Retro Guy believes
that I'm a human, so he signed my certificate. I believe that darius is
human, so I signed his certificate. This way Retro Guy can see messages
from darius. However, if he don't believe that darius is human (and
there is a big change he's not, considering the way he writes) and he is
is starting to believe I'm a bad actor introducing AI bots to real human
discussions, he can revoke his signature from my certificate, and he and
everyone who trust him will stop seeing messages from both me and
darius.

Hopefully there are still few years before we have to deal with this
problem in Usenet, but it seems to be inevitable.

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 20:21:17 +0000, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:

> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:56:16 +0000, darius wrote:
>>
>>> I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
>>> and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.
>>>
>>> I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
>>> marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
>>> servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.
>>>
>>> If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
>>> they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
>>> interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.
>>>
>>> Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
>>> response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
>>> can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.
>>
>> Some of us have created filters for bots in one particular use a while
>> back, which seemed to work ok. The point is that we need to see what
>> they're doing first (what criteria to use to filter). They're not all
>> the
>> same.
>
> I'm pretty sure the guy is talking not about simple spam bots, but about
> actual AI, spmething like ChatGPT.

I believe he is also, and so was I. There is (are) a bot in the de.
hierarchy that at least two admins are catching now, and have been for a
while. We both issue NoCeM for the articles.

> One obvious way to deal with it would be using Web of Trust. We all
> would be signing our messages with our PGP keys, and we read only
> messages that we trust were created by real human. Retro Guy believes
> that I'm a human, so he signed my certificate. I believe that darius is
> human, so I signed his certificate. This way Retro Guy can see messages
> from darius. However, if he don't believe that darius is human (and
> there is a big change he's not, considering the way he writes) and he is
> is starting to believe I'm a bad actor introducing AI bots to real human
> discussions, he can revoke his signature from my certificate, and he and
> everyone who trust him will stop seeing messages from both me and
> darius.

This is somewhat how FMS works in Freenet. You can read some of the
groups here: https://www.rocksolidbbs.com/fms/

The problem I see with WoT is the high cost to entry, and judging by
FMS, the absolute obsession with trust lists. There's a paranoia about
who's trust list to trust, how much, etc. It really takes away from the
discussion, and really limits the number of contributors. I hope Usenet
never goes the direction of FMS.

--
Retro Guy

Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:

> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 20:21:17 +0000, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:
>
>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:56:16 +0000, darius wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
>>>> and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
>>>> marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
>>>> servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.
>>>>
>>>> If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
>>>> they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
>>>> interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.
>>>>
>>>> Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
>>>> response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
>>>> can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.
>>>
>>> Some of us have created filters for bots in one particular use a while
>>> back, which seemed to work ok. The point is that we need to see what
>>> they're doing first (what criteria to use to filter). They're not all
>>> the
>>> same.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the guy is talking not about simple spam bots, but about
>> actual AI, spmething like ChatGPT.
>
> I believe he is also, and so was I. There is (are) a bot in the de.
> hierarchy that at least two admins are catching now, and have been for a
> while. We both issue NoCeM for the articles.

Can you provide some Message-IDs? I would like to take a look at it.

>> One obvious way to deal with it would be using Web of Trust. We all
>> would be signing our messages with our PGP keys, and we read only
>> messages that we trust were created by real human. Retro Guy believes
>> that I'm a human, so he signed my certificate. I believe that darius is
>> human, so I signed his certificate. This way Retro Guy can see messages
>> from darius. However, if he don't believe that darius is human (and
>> there is a big change he's not, considering the way he writes) and he is
>> is starting to believe I'm a bad actor introducing AI bots to real human
>> discussions, he can revoke his signature from my certificate, and he and
>> everyone who trust him will stop seeing messages from both me and
>> darius.
>
> This is somewhat how FMS works in Freenet. You can read some of the
> groups here: https://www.rocksolidbbs.com/fms/
>
> The problem I see with WoT is the high cost to entry, and judging by
> FMS, the absolute obsession with trust lists. There's a paranoia about
> who's trust list to trust, how much, etc. It really takes away from the
> discussion, and really limits the number of contributors. I hope Usenet
> never goes the direction of FMS.

I hope so too.

On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 6:20:03 +0000, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:

> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 20:21:17 +0000, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:
>>
>>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:56:16 +0000, darius wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
>>>>> and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
>>>>> marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
>>>>> servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.
>>>>>
>>>>> If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
>>>>> they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
>>>>> interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
>>>>> response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
>>>>> can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.
>>>>
>>>> Some of us have created filters for bots in one particular use a while
>>>> back, which seemed to work ok. The point is that we need to see what
>>>> they're doing first (what criteria to use to filter). They're not all
>>>> the
>>>> same.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the guy is talking not about simple spam bots, but about
>>> actual AI, spmething like ChatGPT.
>>
>> I believe he is also, and so was I. There is (are) a bot in the de.
>> hierarchy that at least two admins are catching now, and have been for a
>> while. We both issue NoCeM for the articles.
>
> Can you provide some Message-IDs? I would like to take a look at it.

Take a look in news.lists.filters for NoCeM by i2pn2 and
eternal-september that list an above average number of posts. Here's an
example:
<bot-spam-ddfbac20f3b8413e@nocem.i2pn2.org>

These lists provide all the Message-IDs.

--
Retro Guy

Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:

> On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 6:20:03 +0000, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:
>
>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 20:21:17 +0000, Schlomo Goldberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 16:56:16 +0000, darius wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had long chats with a VIP, as described above
>>>>>> and my friends warned me not to talk to chat robots on the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have real examples from the usenet right now, but recall
>>>>>> marketing spam traffic in early months of 2024, generated by some
>>>>>> servers, flooding Google Groups with Ts of ads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If VIPs can use multi-accounts on Zangi messanger in parallel,
>>>>>> they can start flooding Usenet groups, generating never-ending
>>>>>> interactive traffic one day, making real, live Usenet to die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat robots are smart today in live chat, but if I get multi-lines
>>>>>> response within just few seconds on Zangi messanger, I am sure, a human
>>>>>> can't type text so fast, in just few seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us have created filters for bots in one particular use a while
>>>>> back, which seemed to work ok. The point is that we need to see what
>>>>> they're doing first (what criteria to use to filter). They're not all
>>>>> the
>>>>> same.
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure the guy is talking not about simple spam bots, but about
>>>> actual AI, spmething like ChatGPT.
>>>
>>> I believe he is also, and so was I. There is (are) a bot in the de.
>>> hierarchy that at least two admins are catching now, and have been for a
>>> while. We both issue NoCeM for the articles.
>>
>> Can you provide some Message-IDs? I would like to take a look at it.
>
> Take a look in news.lists.filters for NoCeM by i2pn2 and
> eternal-september that list an above average number of posts. Here's an
> example:
> <bot-spam-ddfbac20f3b8413e@nocem.i2pn2.org>
>
> These lists provide all the Message-IDs.

Thank you.