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kop@netaccess.co.nz (Peter Haase) wrote:

>Apparantly a British tabloid has stated that because Bath won all the
>rucks and mauls and scored a couple of pushover tries that Union is a
>far better game than League.

>How come Wigan scored two of the best tries in English Rugby for a
>long time and did win the League by 76 points while only lost the
>Rugby by 25.

>It seems to me that the press are anti League. If the English Rugby
>team had Rugby forwards and a League backline not only would they win
>more games but maybe play attractive Rugby that the public want to
>see.

It would also need to be RL Halfbacks as well - to use the backs you
need someone who will give them the ball!

Paul

J.K.Thomson@ncl.ac.uk wrote:

: It should be interesting to see what (if any) replies I get. If I get
: anything worth posting on here, I will.

Why bother?  We can read them on r.s.r.union.

: Should get a few rah-rah's backs up.

Right.  And what's the point of that exactly?

All the best
--
John

This last message from kop@netaccess.co.nz has been posted by myself onto
the newsgroup known as

rec.sport.rugby.union


It should be interesting to see what (if any) replies I get. If I get
anything worth posting on here, I will.



The message that I posted reads as follows


kop@netaccess.co.nz (Peter Haase) wrote:
>Apparantly a British tabloid has stated that because Bath won all the
>rucks and mauls and scored a couple of pushover tries that Union is a
>far better game than League.
>
>How come Wigan scored two of the best tries in English Rugby for a
>long time and did win the League by 76 points while only lost the
>Rugby by 25.
>
>It seems to me that the press are anti League. If the English Rugby
>team had Rugby forwards and a League backline not only would they win
>more games but maybe play attractive Rugby that the public want to
>see.
>
>


Should get a few rah-rah's backs up.

tommo

J.K.Thomson@ncl.ac.uk wrote:

>>
>>: Should get a few rah-rah's backs up.
>>
>>Right.  And what's the point of that exactly?
>>
>No point at all. Its just to piss them off.

Are you really that sad? Why not use the bandwidth to talk about
Rugby? Also if you actually bothered to follow r.s.r.u  you'd pretty
soon discover that like *most* of the discussions of cross-code on
this group its pretty sensible, and fair minded.


Regards Ralph Buckley

________________________________________________________________________

Standard Disclaimer: These are my comments; not the views of IBM.

>
>: Should get a few rah-rah's backs up.
>
>Right.  And what's the point of that exactly?
>
No point at all. Its just to piss them off.

J.K.Thomson@ncl.ac.uk wrote:

: No point at all. Its just to piss them off.

I didn't know you could study the eleven plus at University.
--
John

marsland@liverpool.ac.uk (Dr J.S. Marsland) wrote:
>J.K.Thomson@ncl.ac.uk wrote:
>
>: No point at all. Its just to piss them off.
>
>I didn't know you could study the eleven plus at University.
>--
>John

Well I guess you now stand corrected don't you!

Cross-posted to rec.sport.rugby.league

Why do some people posting to rec.sport.rugby.union have this
fascination with drawing comparisons with Rugby League?

Bill Taylor (mathwft@math.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
: thigham@waikato.ac.nz (Tom Higham) writes:

: |>   The State of Origin series was something I looked forward to
: |> each year but in the wake of Super-12 its time has clearly come.
: |> Stop-start, rumble it up, tackle, 6 times, kick it. ... Predictable.

: Interesting! My son said almost exactly the same thing, and he is (was) quite
: a fan.  (For myself, I've never been avble to watch the stupid game.)

Well the weight of evidence is clearly building in your favour.  I would
say you only need a few more 'me too's and it becomes established fact.

: I tend to agree with all those saying that league is being shunted aside
: in popularity, (especially chronic here where the Orcland Warriors are
: turning out to be the Dorkland Horrors).

Lets have some facts here please.  Give me attendance figures or viewing
figures; not just hear-say.

: It won't disappear,

Rugby League will never disappear - even if the administrators bow to
media pressure and merge with Union they will force a split with the
vast majority of British amateur Rugby League clubs and a significant
number of British professional Rugby League clubs and a large number
of people will still watch it even if a far greater number watch something
else.  I guess the same may be true outside of England.

: though; what
: is bound to happen is that even more media-mogul pressure goes onto them to
: tart up the game with a massive rule-tweak.

                               /\
Interestingly in the sentence above it's implied that 'rule-tweak' = bad
whereas in the one below the implication is that 'rule-tweak' = good.
                    \/

: And on the subject of tweaking the rules, I think the latest pottle of union
: tweaks is great, as I said before. In spite of the moaning minnies, it has

[snipped something that actually was on topis for r.s.r.union]

: |> 2-3 tries is a try fest is league.

: Yes indeed.

Or maybe not.  Never harms to look at the facts I say.  It is quite possible
that more tries are scored per match in Super 12 than in the Winfield/Optus
cup.  However looking at last season's 'European Superleague' ignoring all
Cup matches then 954 tries were scored in 110 matches.  What are the
comparable figures for Super 12 or the Optus Cup?  As Terry Fiztpatrick
(a Union supporter if I'm not mistaken) wrote about 4 or 5 articles back
in this thread League tends to be higher scoring than Union.  Of course
he was generalising form the Northern Hemisphere and you are generalising
from the Southern Hemisphere.

[snip]

: >   It is a different game, one where
: > contunuity and flow are vital to the ability to score points. You have the
: > ball, you MUST retain it and you must score points when you have it.
: > ... Scotland shared this philosophy and were rewarded with points.

: Exactly!  Very well put.

I wonder did you watch Wigan playing Rugby Union?

[snip]

: However; here in StAlbans, Christchurch, we are die-hard conspiracy
: theorists.  Contrary to popular belief Murdoch *does* love the union game,
: and has cleverly found a diabolically ingenious way to kill off league...

I reckon you lot planted Maurice Lindsay as a sleeper many years ago and
activated him sometime last year.  He won't be able to suppress his rich
plummy home counties accent under that nasal northern whine much longer.

I kid you not
John

In article <DtD0n8.4Br@liverpool.ac.uk>, marsland@liverpool.ac.uk (Dr J.S.
Marsland) wrote:

ion with drawing comparisons with Rugby League?
>
> Bill Taylor (mathwft@math.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
> : thigham@waikato.ac.nz (Tom Higham) writes:
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<Incidentally, I (TH) did not write one word of what goes below, please
edit the real material... but I do agree with most of what Bill writes!>


>
> : |>   The State of Origin series was something I looked forward to
> : |> each year but in the wake of Super-12 its time has clearly come.
> : |> Stop-start, rumble it up, tackle, 6 times, kick it. ... Predictable.
>
> : Interesting! My son said almost exactly the same thing, and he is
(was) quite
> : a fan.  (For myself, I've never been avble to watch the stupid game.)
>
> Well the weight of evidence is clearly building in your favour.  I would
> say you only need a few more 'me too's and it becomes established fact.

Hey, calm down, we're just expressing our opinion. Clearly 30000
Queenslanders thought it was the cats pyjamas as a game, some of us
thought that up until the last 2 minutes it was very boring, but then
we've been spoilt by non-stop action, fluid running and tries of late.
Just opinion I think.


>
> : I tend to agree with all those saying that league is being shunted aside
> : in popularity, (especially chronic here where the Orcland Warriors are
> : turning out to be the Dorkland Horrors).
>
> Lets have some facts here please.  Give me attendance figures or viewing
> figures; not just hear-say.

This is a classic response on Usenet, if someone ventures a view which is
the opposite of the posters, they just demand figures, references,
examples, come on, come on!!! Now !!!! I think figures would be available
for the home games of the Warriors this year and compared with last year,
they are apparently down. But, John, you're right, I don't have the exact
figures. I don't know about Bill, maybe he'll surprise me! Anyway, my
analysis is based on complete objectivity:

----Scanning the stadium during matches to see how many empty seats there
are! (always a good indicator!).
----Listening to the radio talk back to hear how many league supporters
are on saying "Screw the warriors, they're losers, I've sent back my
season ticket! And so have 3 of my best mates"!
----Hearing commentators saying the attendances have been down this year
(probably my most objective method to date!).

Cheers from objectivity central,

--
Dr Thomas Higham,                       Email:Thigham@waikato.ac.nz
Radiocarbon Dating Laboratory,          Phone: +(64) 07 838 4278
University of Waikato,                       WWW server
Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND.                http://www2.waikato.ac.nz/c14/

Tom Higham (thigham@waikato.ac.nz) wrote:
: In article <DtD0n8.4Br@liverpool.ac.uk>, marsland@liverpool.ac.uk (Dr J.S.
: Marsland) wrote:

: ion with drawing comparisons with Rugby League?
: >
: > Bill Taylor (mathwft@math.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
: > : thigham@waikato.ac.nz (Tom Higham) writes:
:     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: <Incidentally, I (TH) did not write one word of what goes below, please
: edit the real material... but I do agree with most of what Bill writes!>

Tom,
     Someone must be forging posts in your name.  The attributed text (the
three lines that immediately follow) was posted on Thursday, 20 June, 12.20
with subject   <Wigan v Bath and Rugby better game>    and message-id
<thigham-2006961220470001@thigham.sciservices.waikato.ac.nz>

: > : |>   The State of Origin series was something I looked forward to
: > : |> each year but in the wake of Super-12 its time has clearly come.
: > : |> Stop-start, rumble it up, tackle, 6 times, kick it. ... Predictable.
: >
: > : Interesting! My son said almost exactly the same thing, and he is
: (was) quite
: > : a fan.  (For myself, I've never been avble to watch the stupid game.)
: >
: > Well the weight of evidence is clearly building in your favour.  I would
: > say you only need a few more 'me too's and it becomes established fact.

: Hey, calm down, we're just expressing our opinion. Clearly 30000
: Queenslanders thought it was the cats pyjamas as a game, some of us
: thought that up until the last 2 minutes it was very boring, but then
: we've been spoilt by non-stop action, fluid running and tries of late.
: Just opinion I think.

I over did the sarcasm somewhat - a hangover from another post.  You
are welcome to your opinion.

: > : I tend to agree with all those saying that league is being shunted aside
: > : in popularity, (especially chronic here where the Orcland Warriors are
: > : turning out to be the Dorkland Horrors).
: >
: > Lets have some facts here please.  Give me attendance figures or viewing
: > figures; not just hear-say.

: This is a classic response on Usenet, if someone ventures a view which is
: the opposite of the posters, they just demand figures, references,
: examples, come on, come on!!! Now !!!!

Yes indeed.  Does that make it wrong?  Are facts unimportant?

: I think figures would be available
: for the home games of the Warriors this year

From 5 home games average is 20,597

: and compared with last year, they are apparently down.

I don't have the figures but don't dispute that given the current bad
press re. ARL v. Superleague.  However what I feel needs to be justified
is Bill's assertion that 'league is being shunted aside in popularity'.
Your examples have some objectivity but they relate to the decreasing
attendence, not to the relative performance of the Warriors versus
something else.

All the best
--
John
The Yorkshire motto updated:  Hear all, see all, say nowt;
Eat all, sup all, pay nowt; Read all, lurk all, post nowt;
And if tha'ever do's owt for nowt allus do it for thi'sen.