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In <1995Aug4.193208.28390@engr.washington.edu> eliot@u.washington.edu (eliot) writes:

>gee, hill doesn't have a contract with williams next year.  unless he
>really wants to leave williams, why would he want to let a newcomer
>upstage him?  in fact, even if he wants to leave williams you think
>he'll go around bragging that he's "only" 1/2 second faster than
>JV?

>how does it help his cause by being slower, or rather not putting in
>100% into the testing times?

>i read in the london times report that during the first day afternoon
>session, JV was faster than hill throughout and it was only towards the
>end that hill came back with a fast lap.


Oh for fuck sake get a life! Hill is there to do a job not to play
around and try and get a poll. If you want to adopt a tabloid attitude
to what you read (ok, the times isn't a tabloid) then you can read all
sorts of things into F1. Christ, JJ Lehto started *gaining* on Schumacher
in one race last year, doesn't mean he's as quick does it ? If you
take a small sample you'll get bad info, then apply some rules like
Hill was just running round trying to match him, and you can have a
field day. If you take a specific race and judge drivers on it then you
could come up with some bizzare conclusions, but we're more intelligent
than that aren't we ?

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norm@netmart.com wrote:

> Thus, we see that the boy has incredible talent.


YEEEEEEHAAAAAA!  GO JACQUES!!!!!!!!!!

<:)

Joe

norm@netmart.com wrote:

: Just heard on the radio that Villenueve has the fastest time in
: the morning session, .2 seconds faster than Coulthard. Will update
: as soon as I hear the afternoon results. By the way, for you people
: who keep saying "hey didn't Tracy go really fast with Benetton, what's
: the big deal", well, he went well but not outstanding like jacques. From
: my old issues of On Track, Tracy finished 2.5 seconds off of Schumacher's
: time. And this was in Schu's car. In Verstappen's car we was some 4 seconds
: off. Everyone said that he had gone as well as expected for a first time
: out. The Villeneuve entourage were expecting a him to be some 2 seconds off
: the pace as well. Thus, we see that the boy has incredible talent.



Don't want to rain on the JV parade...but comparing how fast Tracy went
WRT Schu and how fast JV went WRT to Hill is too much like comparing
apples and oranges to me.  I'm not even convinced Hill (or Schu for that
matter) really pushed hard during these practice sessions. Surely it makes
 more sense for them to be focusing on the cars' setup etc.  Even
comparing the actual track qualifying times for the race is not really
kosher...different days/conditions can have dramatic effects on performance.



Mike.

g055837@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca (michael dobbs (micro bio)) wrote:

>Don't want to rain on the JV parade...

As if you know everything about it and can make it rain?

> but comparing how fast Tracy went
>WRT Schu and how fast JV went WRT to Hill is too much like comparing
>apples and oranges to me.

No, it would be like comparing how fast Tracy went WRT Schu and how fast
JV went WRT to Hill !


> I'm not even convinced Hill (or Schu for that matter) really pushed hard
> during these practice sessions.

I'm not conviced that they didn't push hard... isn't it their job to drive
fast?

> Surely it makes more sense for them to be focusing on the cars' setup

Wel, by focusing on setup and testing that setup, they shouldn't be
piddling around the track at slow speeds.  If they don't test hard, and
the other teams do, come race day they'll lag behind.  That's life.

> etc.  Even comparing the actual track qualifying times for the race is
> not really kosher...different days/conditions can have dramatic effects
>  on performance.

Sure, and they're all using the same track, under the same conditions.
How can we say for sure that Villeneuve was pushing as hard as he really
could, or that Hill or Coulthard were?  We can't.  We can only read the
times, and make judgements based on that.

I think the point worht making here is that - here we have a guy who's
never driven an F-1 car before, a completely different car to drive, and
he steps into it after driving a gruelling 500 mile race 2 days prrior,
right off a red-eye flight to England, and he goes FAST, faster relative
to others who have done it in the past from Indy.

That's enough for me.  Villeneuve is the clas of Indy, right now because
of his style, skills, intelligence and ability to take opportunity when
it's there, and know when he should hold back and keep the car alive until
the finish line.  He'll do very well in F-1, and I'm sure Hill and
Coulthard didn't expect what they saw, nor Frank Williams.

Joe

In article <3vtgne$be8@csi0.csi.uottawa.ca>,
michael dobbs (micro bio) <g055837@labsun1.med.uottawa.ca> wrote:

>I'm not even convinced Hill (or Schu for that
>matter) really pushed hard during these practice sessions.


gee, hill doesn't have a contract with williams next year.  unless he
really wants to leave williams, why would he want to let a newcomer
upstage him?  in fact, even if he wants to leave williams you think
he'll go around bragging that he's "only" 1/2 second faster than
JV?

how does it help his cause by being slower, or rather not putting in
100% into the testing times?

i read in the london times report that during the first day afternoon
session, JV was faster than hill throughout and it was only towards the
end that hill came back with a fast lap.


eliot

steven@abekrd.co.uk (Steven Glenister) wrote:

>Oh for fuck sake get a life! Hill is there to do a job not to play
>around and try and get a poll.

Err, that's "pole", not "poll", Steve.  :)

Joe