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"Pee Pee Firefighter" <pp@phirephighter.org> wrote in message
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> <POSSIBLE SPOILERS>
>
> Let me say that I didn't have big expectations for Chronicles and so I
> wasn't too disappointed. The action sequences were entertaining and I
> would guess they were written first and the storyline followed as an
> excuse to advance us from one action sequence to the next, little
> coherency is found beyond that. Chronicles feels rushed, as if the movie
> were an hour longer and edited severely, there are too many loose ends and
> the plot takes leaps without explanation...
>
> One minute the Lord Marshall is more than a man, returned from the
> underverse changed then we learn he is the 6th Lord Marshall.

He was simply the sixth Lord Marshall. This doesn't necessarily imply that
his five predecessors made the same journey that he did.
>
> What is the Lord Marshall's relationship with Aereon? We can guess they
> are both elementals and that the Lord Marshall's underverse given power is
> really part of his nature as an elemental but we are given only
> tantalizing hints and nothing is explained.

I didn't take it that way.  I interpreted his *power* as being the ability
to remove his soul/essence from his body for brief periods of time.

>
> Why does Jack change her name? Besides the obvious that Jack is a crappy
> name for a heroine. The only explanation was that 'Jack was weak'.

Most likely, Jack being a teenage boy/girl in prison, he/she got the living
sh*t raped out of him/her while in Crematoria.  The development of a new
personality is a natural defense mechanism for sexually abused persons
(especially kids).  Though Kyra wasn't exactly a new personality, I think
the name change suggested that this might have been the case.  Since we
already know from PB that Jack/Jackie was experiencing some sexual identity
issues, I don't think this is a huge leap in logic.

>
> Why does Riddick have to be a Furion? This part of the plot sounded too
> much like The Scorpion King. The final scene is Conan in the 24th century.

Yes, extremeley lame.

>
> My biggest gripe is about Crematoria, which is very similiar to Mercury in
> our solar system. A planet so close to it's sun, with a dayside
> temperature of 700 degrees (Fahrenheit, Celsius, or kelvin?) is no place
> to take a casual stroll. What was that stuff falling on the nightside, ash
> or snow?

Ash.  But what is your gripe?

> The casting was well done and the acting on par for a B movie. The
> grandiose CGI sets were interesting although I'm not sure they were
> appropriate for a religion based on dealing death.

How so?

Pee Pee Firefighter wrote:

> My biggest gripe is about Crematoria, which is very similiar to Mercury in
> our solar system. A planet so close to it's sun, with a dayside
> temperature of 700 degrees (Fahrenheit, Celsius, or kelvin?) is no place
> to take a casual stroll. What was that stuff falling on the nightside, ash
> or snow?

It was ash.

The characters were running in the twilight zone between the extreme heat of
the starlight and the extreme cold of the night.  The effect is rather like
being in the partial shadow of the penumbra of an eclipse.  In fact, it's
exactly like that, except that the eclipsing body was the planet on which
they were running, and that they were being heated (apparently) by the
star's corona (that was a pretty neat touch that I wouldn't've thought of.

Nah.  Crematoria was one of my favourite parts of the movie, even if they
did take some liberties here and there.  My problem with the film were
clumsy pacing, liberal sprinkling of bad actors and the total embracing of
magic and mysticism, a thing that was missing entirely from its prequel.

--
  -JC
  http://www.jc-news.com/coding/freedom/

John Cholewa <usenet@jc-newsREMOVECAPITALS.com> said:

> Pee Pee Firefighter wrote:
>> My biggest gripe is about Crematoria, which is very similiar to
>> Mercury in our solar system. A planet so close to it's sun, with a
>> dayside temperature of 700 degrees (Fahrenheit, Celsius, or kelvin?)
>> is no place to take a casual stroll. What was that stuff falling on
>> the nightside, ash or snow?
>
> It was ash.

Ash seems almost as unlikely as snow. What is burning in so prodigious
amounts?

> The characters were running in the twilight zone between the extreme
> heat of the starlight and the extreme cold of the night.  The effect
> is rather like being in the partial shadow of the penumbra of an
> eclipse.  In fact, it's exactly like that, except that the eclipsing
> body was the planet on which they were running, and that they were
> being heated (apparently) by the star's corona (that was a pretty
> neat touch that I wouldn't've thought of.

Yeah but they were running in the twilight of a planet that should have
no breathable atmosphere, or any atmosphere for that matter, and if not
fried by radiation, they should have been frozen solid by the extreme
cold. It was sloppy in a destractable way. Pitch Black's lack of a
viable ecosystem was a forgivable blunder, but Crematoria was a joke.

> Nah.  Crematoria was one of my favourite parts of the movie, even if
> they did take some liberties here and there.  My problem with the
> film were clumsy pacing, liberal sprinkling of bad actors and the
> total embracing of magic and mysticism, a thing that was missing
> entirely from its prequel.

I agree, although I think the acting suffered more from poor direction
than lack of ability.


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"Ulysses" <ulysses@nospam.com> said:

> "Pee Pee Firefighter" <pp@phirephighter.org> wrote in message
>> One minute the Lord Marshall is more than a man, returned from the
>> underverse changed then we learn he is the 6th Lord Marshall.
>
> He was simply the sixth Lord Marshall. This doesn't necessarily imply
> that his five predecessors made the same journey that he did.

I guess I was left with the impression from the early explanations that
he was the founder of the religion, since he was the only one who had
been to Underverse.

>> What is the Lord Marshall's relationship with Aereon? We can guess
>> they are both elementals and that the Lord Marshall's underverse
>> given power is really part of his nature as an elemental but we are
>> given only tantalizing hints and nothing is explained.
>
> I didn't take it that way.  I interpreted his *power* as being the
> ability to remove his soul/essence from his body for brief periods of
> time.

I thought that way in the beginning, but after learning he was the sixth
Lord Marshall and that he interacted with the elemental in a peculiar
way, as verified by Vaako and his Dame, it hints to me that he is a
poser like many religious figures. We know almost nothing about
elementals and their types, except for Aereon, and the Lord Marshall did
have a different relationship with her than with other captives.

>> Why does Jack change her name? Besides the obvious that Jack is a
>> crappy name for a heroine. The only explanation was that 'Jack was
>> weak'.
>
> Most likely, Jack being a teenage boy/girl in prison, he/she got the
> living sh*t raped out of him/her while in Crematoria. The
> development of a new personality is a natural defense mechanism for
> sexually abused persons (especially kids).

Actually it happened before that, after Jack signed up with the mercs,
the mercs slaved her out. She asks Riddick if he knows what that does to
a person, so this would seem to support your postulation that Kyra was a
multiple personality born of sexual abuse; however, the new personality
Kyra also seems to be loyal to Riddick and have many of the same traits
as the former personality, Jack.

>> My biggest gripe is about Crematoria, which is very similiar to
>> Mercury in our solar system. A planet so close to it's sun, with a
>> dayside temperature of 700 degrees (Fahrenheit, Celsius, or kelvin?)
>> is no place to take a casual stroll. What was that stuff falling on
>> the nightside, ash or snow?
>
> Ash.  But what is your gripe?

I'm no expert on planetology but I suspect the chances of Crematoria
having a survivable climate are zero. There would be no atmosphere, the
temperatures on any side of the planet would be too extreme for exposed
skin and the radiation level on a planet that close to a star would
probably fry you in minutes, if not seconds.

What is burning that produces so much ash? The planet has presumably
been there for billions of years, I would imagine that anything
flammable would have long ago been burned away.

>> The casting was well done and the acting on par for a B movie. The
>> grandiose CGI sets were interesting although I'm not sure they were
>> appropriate for a religion based on dealing death.
>
> How so?

The Necromonger's architecture gives me the impression of a powerful
Romanesque civilization, while the name and purpose of the Necromonger
religion gives me the impression of something foul. It's just my
impression though.
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Pee Pee Firefighter

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"Pee Pee Firefighter" <pp@phirephighter.org> wrote in message
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> "Ulysses" <ulysses@nospam.com> said:
>
> > "Pee Pee Firefighter" <pp@phirephighter.org> wrote in message
> >> One minute the Lord Marshall is more than a man, returned from the
> >> underverse changed then we learn he is the 6th Lord Marshall.
> >
> > He was simply the sixth Lord Marshall. This doesn't necessarily imply
> > that his five predecessors made the same journey that he did.
>
> I guess I was left with the impression from the early explanations that
> he was the founder of the religion, since he was the only one who had
> been to Underverse.

Not sure where you got this impression, since they never said that this was
the case.
>
> >> What is the Lord Marshall's relationship with Aereon? We can guess
> >> they are both elementals and that the Lord Marshall's underverse
> >> given power is really part of his nature as an elemental but we are
> >> given only tantalizing hints and nothing is explained.
> >
> > I didn't take it that way.  I interpreted his *power* as being the
> > ability to remove his soul/essence from his body for brief periods of
> > time.
>
> I thought that way in the beginning, but after learning he was the sixth
> Lord Marshall and that he interacted with the elemental in a peculiar
> way, as verified by Vaako and his Dame, it hints to me that he is a
> poser like many religious figures. We know almost nothing about
> elementals and their types, except for Aereon, and the Lord Marshall did
> have a different relationship with her than with other captives.

This was because she had information that was of use to him.  She was
essentially his "mirror, mirror on the wall."  His powers/abilities were
quite different from hers.

>
> >> Why does Jack change her name? Besides the obvious that Jack is a
> >> crappy name for a heroine. The only explanation was that 'Jack was
> >> weak'.
> >
> > Most likely, Jack being a teenage boy/girl in prison, he/she got the
> > living sh*t raped out of him/her while in Crematoria. The
> > development of a new personality is a natural defense mechanism for
> > sexually abused persons (especially kids).
>
> Actually it happened before that, after Jack signed up with the mercs,
> the mercs slaved her out. She asks Riddick if he knows what that does to
> a person, so this would seem to support your postulation that Kyra was a
> multiple personality born of sexual abuse; however, the new personality
> Kyra also seems to be loyal to Riddick and have many of the same traits
> as the former personality, Jack.

Regardless of when or where it happened, it still happened --- I think you
get the picture.  Personality change doesn't necessarily imply that her
loyalties would change.

>
> >> My biggest gripe is about Crematoria, which is very similiar to
> >> Mercury in our solar system. A planet so close to it's sun, with a
> >> dayside temperature of 700 degrees (Fahrenheit, Celsius, or kelvin?)
> >> is no place to take a casual stroll. What was that stuff falling on
> >> the nightside, ash or snow?
> >
> > Ash.  But what is your gripe?
>
> I'm no expert on planetology but I suspect the chances of Crematoria
> having a survivable climate are zero. There would be no atmosphere, the
> temperatures on any side of the planet would be too extreme for exposed
> skin and the radiation level on a planet that close to a star would
> probably fry you in minutes, if not seconds.
>
> What is burning that produces so much ash? The planet has presumably
> been there for billions of years, I would imagine that anything
> flammable would have long ago been burned away.

Who cares!?!?  Honestly, of all of the liberties that the movie took, are
you going to worry about what could and could not turn into ash?
>
> >> The casting was well done and the acting on par for a B movie. The
> >> grandiose CGI sets were interesting although I'm not sure they were
> >> appropriate for a religion based on dealing death.
> >
> > How so?
>
> The Necromonger's architecture gives me the impression of a powerful
> Romanesque civilization, while the name and purpose of the Necromonger
> religion gives me the impression of something foul. It's just my
> impression though.

To me, the Necromongers paralleled that Catholic church at various points in
history.  'Nuff said there.

> Not sure where you got this impression, since they never said that this
was
> the case.

It's explicitly stated by Judi Dench in the film... "Only one man has seen
the Underverse."

"Ulysses" <ulysses@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<uG%yc.89196$DG4.20493@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...

> > Why does Riddick have to be a Furion? This part of the plot sounded too
> > much like The Scorpion King. The final scene is Conan in the 24th century.
>
> Yes, extremeley lame.

Because the film is a sci-fi version of Macbeth. In Macbeth the guy
who's coming to kill him (McDuff) is not quite human. It's foretold
that "no man of woman born" shall kill Macbeth, it turns out that
McDuff (like Riddick) is an infanticide gone wrong. That's why they
played up the "more than human" aspect of Riddick.

The final scene sets up a sequel that's as much Julius Caesar as it is
King Conan. Could be interesting to watch.

- Jordan

lundj@earthlink.net (Jordan Lund) said:

> Because the film is a sci-fi version of Macbeth. In Macbeth the guy
> who's coming to kill him (McDuff) is not quite human. It's foretold
> that "no man of woman born" shall kill Macbeth, it turns out that
> McDuff (like Riddick) is an infanticide gone wrong. That's why they
> played up the "more than human" aspect of Riddick.
>
> The final scene sets up a sequel that's as much Julius Caesar as it is
> King Conan. Could be interesting to watch.

Interesting, I guess I should have paid more attention in English Lit. If
they manage a sequel, I hope Twohy doesn't write or direct it.
--
Mac Cool