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"choral reef" <symphonicsea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7b98c3ee.0406101034.5d73dfbf@posting.google.com...

> for all i know, moore might have some good ideas and legitimate gripes
> against corporations and republicans. but, the problem is his style,
> or his personality.

Gee, Gaza, somebody who may have good points but, because of his extremely
odious personality, turns off as many people as possible? I wonder who THAT
sounds like? You hate him, clearly, because he reminds you of yourself - or,
rather, what you would be if you weren't a pathetic, attention-grabbing Usenet
bottom feeder.

Now, excuse me while I go fix my irony-o-meter.

Kevin "Clementine" Cogliano

> but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
> self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.

See I see Moore as a funny, fair-minded, compassionate, talented,
calm, intelligent-in-an-earthy-way kind of guy.

Eye of the beholder I guess

choral reef wrote:

> i saw roger and me.
> i saw and enjoyed parts of bowling for columbine but the offensiveness
> overtook whatever was funny. made me sick.
>
> for all i know, moore might have some good ideas and legitimate gripes
> against corporations and republicans. but, the problem is his style,
> or his personality.

I happen to agree with you.  But, I also I don't think any
documentary should be overshadowed by its maker's celebrity.  His
messages have been lost by his personal penchant for the spotlight.
  Take Fahrenheit 9/11, for example.  Every bit of publicity about
this film has been about Michael Moore's trials and tribulations.  I
really don't give a rat's ass one way or another about Michael Moore
but I am interested in reading about what specifically is in that
film and its quality as a well researched documentary.  I'm
skeptical, frankly.  I'm beginning to think that diverting attention
to the filmmaker instead of focusing on the content of the film, is
that the film itself might not be any good.

Anyone know a good place to read about the content of the
documentary, and the quality of the film, without reading someone's
opinion, pro or con, of Moore?  And without Moore talking about
himself instead of exactly what's in the film or how it was made?

Laura

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In article <40c99f82$0$3028$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, laura capozzola
<lauracap@erols.com> wrote:

> choral reef wrote:
>
> > i saw roger and me.
> > i saw and enjoyed parts of bowling for columbine but the offensiveness
> > overtook whatever was funny. made me sick.
> >
> > for all i know, moore might have some good ideas and legitimate gripes
> > against corporations and republicans. but, the problem is his style,
> > or his personality.
>
> I happen to agree with you.  But, I also I don't think any
> documentary should be overshadowed by its maker's celebrity.  His
> messages have been lost by his personal penchant for the spotlight.
>   Take Fahrenheit 9/11, for example.  Every bit of publicity about
> this film has been about Michael Moore's trials and tribulations.  I
> really don't give a rat's ass one way or another about Michael Moore
> but I am interested in reading about what specifically is in that
> film and its quality as a well researched documentary.  I'm
> skeptical, frankly.  I'm beginning to think that diverting attention
> to the filmmaker instead of focusing on the content of the film, is
> that the film itself might not be any good.
>
> Anyone know a good place to read about the content of the
> documentary, and the quality of the film, without reading someone's
> opinion, pro or con, of Moore?  And without Moore talking about
> himself instead of exactly what's in the film or how it was made?
>
> Laura
>

What was his first "documentary" called?

Roger and ME (emphasis added).

It's ALL always been about Moore himself. That's why he thinks nothing
about distorting facts, leaving things out (like the waiting period on
the gun/bank thing in Columbine).

And since in Hollywood and with celebrities it's all always about THEM,
they resonate with him completely. Just as they do in France.

Don't light a match - there's a gasbag in the room!

laura capozzola wrote:

> choral reef wrote:
>
>> i saw roger and me. i saw and enjoyed parts of bowling for columbine
>> but the offensiveness
>> overtook whatever was funny. made me sick.
>>
>> for all i know, moore might have some good ideas and legitimate gripes
>> against corporations and republicans. but, the problem is his style,
>> or his personality.
>
>
> I happen to agree with you.  But, I also I don't think any documentary
> should be overshadowed by its maker's celebrity.  His messages have been
> lost by his personal penchant for the spotlight.  Take Fahrenheit 9/11,
> for example.  Every bit of publicity about this film has been about
> Michael Moore's trials and tribulations.  I really don't give a rat's
> ass one way or another about Michael Moore but I am interested in
> reading about what specifically is in that film and its quality as a
> well researched documentary.  I'm skeptical, frankly.  I'm beginning to
> think that diverting attention to the filmmaker instead of focusing on
> the content of the film, is that the film itself might not be any good.
>
> Anyone know a good place to read about the content of the documentary,
> and the quality of the film, without reading someone's opinion, pro or
> con, of Moore?  And without Moore talking about himself instead of
> exactly what's in the film or how it was made?
>
> Laura
>

A couple of the reviews from Caan were pretty good.  The impression I
got was that the movie has two really compelling segments and a couple
of fairly long lulls.  The lulls are documentary-type voice over
segments where Moore is narrating a massive amount of factual
information over images on screen.  The most compelling segment,
according to the reviewers, consists of the on-the-ground film smuggled
out from Iraq.  I think they stated the next most compelling segment is
the following of a mother of a soldier killed in Iraq as she continues
her life absent her son.

Miles "Opening Day" Long

Skipper wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> In article <40c99f82$0$3028$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, laura capozzola
> <lauracap@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>>choral reef wrote:
>>
>>
>>>i saw roger and me.
>>>i saw and enjoyed parts of bowling for columbine but the offensiveness
>>>overtook whatever was funny. made me sick.
>>>
>>>for all i know, moore might have some good ideas and legitimate gripes
>>>against corporations and republicans. but, the problem is his style,
>>>or his personality.
>>
>>I happen to agree with you.  But, I also I don't think any
>>documentary should be overshadowed by its maker's celebrity.  His
>>messages have been lost by his personal penchant for the spotlight.
>>  Take Fahrenheit 9/11, for example.  Every bit of publicity about
>>this film has been about Michael Moore's trials and tribulations.  I
>>really don't give a rat's ass one way or another about Michael Moore
>>but I am interested in reading about what specifically is in that
>>film and its quality as a well researched documentary.  I'm
>>skeptical, frankly.  I'm beginning to think that diverting attention
>>to the filmmaker instead of focusing on the content of the film, is
>>that the film itself might not be any good.
>>
>>Anyone know a good place to read about the content of the
>>documentary, and the quality of the film, without reading someone's
>>opinion, pro or con, of Moore?  And without Moore talking about
>>himself instead of exactly what's in the film or how it was made?
>>
>>Laura
>>
>
>
> What was his first "documentary" called?
>
> Roger and ME (emphasis added).
>
> It's ALL always been about Moore himself. That's why he thinks nothing
> about distorting facts, leaving things out (like the waiting period on
> the gun/bank thing in Columbine).


Wait, are you saying that the waiting period would have dispelled the
irony of HANDING OUT THE VERY INSTRUMENT THAT'S USED TO ROB BANKS IN A
BANK?  Do you wash your hair in the toilet bowl, btw, because you really
seem that dumb.


> And since in Hollywood and with celebrities it's all always about THEM,
> they resonate with him completely. Just as they do in France.


I challenge anyone to make sense of those two sentences.


> Don't light a match - there's a gasbag in the room!


Glue sniffing gives off flammable fumes, too.

..is that his/her shift keys are broken.

shrub@whitehouse.gov (FauxPrez) wrote in news:2ive30Frjq8rU4@uni-berlin.de:

> ..is that his/her shift keys are broken.
>

    They were removed at the same
time as his frontal lobes........

In article <10cnjj3i7g4q4b5@corp.supernews.com>,
peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org says...
>
> On 11-Jun-2004, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:
>
> > > but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
> > > self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.
> >
> > See I see Moore as a funny, fair-minded, compassionate, talented,
> > calm, intelligent-in-an-earthy-way kind of guy.
> >
> > Eye of the beholder I guess
>
> So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated to
> say the least, but that's not a negative.

Yeah, nasty, abusive lies appeal to you lefty types.  Negativity and
destruction of this country are what you're all about.  Power at any
cost.

No wonder moore appeals to you guys.  Sickening.

In article <10cnqeca01tch3b@corp.supernews.com>,
peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org says...
>
> On 12-Jun-2004, Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated
> > > to
> > > say the least, but that's not a negative.
> >
> > Yeah, nasty, abusive lies appeal to you lefty types.  Negativity and
> > destruction of this country are what you're all about.  Power at any
> > cost.
> >
> > No wonder moore appeals to you guys.  Sickening.
>
> Uhhh..dude. I'm just a working guy. I have no power. I don't want any power.
> I just want to live my life, raise my kids to be decent human beings and
> retire. Moore's success or failure doesn't affect me at all. If he helps
> defeat Bush it won't increase my power one wit. It will let me live my life
> again as an American, and it will go towards assuring me my children will
> have a future and that's all I really want.
>
> I don't condon lying. Lying is different from having opinions. Lying is
> different from having erroneous opinions. You don't have to tell me about
> lying. I recognize it every time I see someone from the Bush Administration
> open their mouth. They don't even hide it anymore.
>
> I see a lot of Liberals on here accusing people like you of lying. I don't
> really think you are lying. Not knowingly. I think you really believe the
> lies you are told by the Bush Administration. And you cling to them
> desperately, because if you don't you have to admit that all your beliefs
> have been lies. You have to admit you were duped. That's a terrible thing to
> face. I'm sorry for you, Jason. I truly am.

What the hell are you tlaking about?  There are no 'lies'.  There was
intelligence data that may or may not turn out to be true.  There were
no promises of anything.

You leftist types just don't know what you even think are lies.  By
default it's 'everything the other side says'.

Real nice point of view.  That's why you idiots picked up kerry (hahah),
a complete loser with no personality or appeal to anyone.  He has no
'base' except that he isn't Bush.  Unfortunate for you guys..

If Bush loses, your chances of being killed by a WMD terrorist attack,
anthrax, chemical, even nuclear now with Iran/NK with certain abilities,
is *greatly* higher.  You don't even know who the correct side is to
save yourself.

Now for that, I feel very sorry for you.

On 11-Jun-2004, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:

> > but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
> > self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.
>
> See I see Moore as a funny, fair-minded, compassionate, talented,
> calm, intelligent-in-an-earthy-way kind of guy.
>
> Eye of the beholder I guess

So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated to
say the least, but that's not a negative.

Eric

--
"The big elephant sitting in the corner is that George W. Bush is
simply unqualified for the job... What's his accomplishment? That he's
no longer an obnoxious drunk?" [Ron Reagan, Jr. during the 2000 GOP
convention]

On 12-Jun-2004, Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:

> > So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated
> > to
> > say the least, but that's not a negative.
>
> Yeah, nasty, abusive lies appeal to you lefty types.  Negativity and
> destruction of this country are what you're all about.  Power at any
> cost.
>
> No wonder moore appeals to you guys.  Sickening.

Uhhh..dude. I'm just a working guy. I have no power. I don't want any power.
I just want to live my life, raise my kids to be decent human beings and
retire. Moore's success or failure doesn't affect me at all. If he helps
defeat Bush it won't increase my power one wit. It will let me live my life
again as an American, and it will go towards assuring me my children will
have a future and that's all I really want.

I don't condon lying. Lying is different from having opinions. Lying is
different from having erroneous opinions. You don't have to tell me about
lying. I recognize it every time I see someone from the Bush Administration
open their mouth. They don't even hide it anymore.

I see a lot of Liberals on here accusing people like you of lying. I don't
really think you are lying. Not knowingly. I think you really believe the
lies you are told by the Bush Administration. And you cling to them
desperately, because if you don't you have to admit that all your beliefs
have been lies. You have to admit you were duped. That's a terrible thing to
face. I'm sorry for you, Jason. I truly am.

Eric

--
"The big elephant sitting in the corner is that George W. Bush is
simply unqualified for the job... What's his accomplishment? That he's
no longer an obnoxious drunk?" [Ron Reagan, Jr. during the 2000 GOP
convention]

In article <MPG.1b35ab77f5e1759d98973a@news-40.giganews.com>,
 Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:

> If Bush loses, your chances of being killed by a WMD terrorist attack,
> anthrax, chemical, even nuclear now with Iran/NK with certain abilities,
> is *greatly* higher.  You don't even know who the correct side is to
> save yourself.

Look at the video taken of Bush "standing down" at Booker Elementary and
tell those whose loved-ones perished at the WTC and the Pentagon that
Bush made them safer.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:44:41 GMT, peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org wrote:

>You don't have to tell me about lying. I recognize it every time I see someone from the Bush Administration
>open their mouth. They don't even hide it anymore.

The lie here is the one you're telling yourself.

Righteous Nation wrote:
> In article <MPG.1b35ab77f5e1759d98973a@news-40.giganews.com>,
>  Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> If Bush loses, your chances of being killed by a WMD terrorist
>> attack, anthrax, chemical, even nuclear now with Iran/NK with
>> certain abilities, is *greatly* higher.  You don't even know who the
>> correct side is to save yourself.
>
> Look at the video taken of Bush "standing down" at Booker Elementary
> and tell those whose loved-ones perished at the WTC and the Pentagon
> that Bush made them safer.

Isn't that request a little disingenuous, given that it was the attack
on the WTC and Pentagon that prompted all this?

--
Kal Alexander
--
The difference between Democrats
and Republicans is the same as
between the bottom side and top
side of a cow plop.

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In article <p83rc0l3skn3p1pacbjd97eatnnaack4q3@4ax.com>, America wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:50:02 GMT, peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org wrote:
>
> >On 12-Jun-2004, Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> What the hell are you tlaking about?  [...]
> >
> >There is something you obviously don't understand, but I'll give you and all
> >the right wingers on this newsgroup a HUGE tip. Most of us just want to
> >defeat Bush. You can tell us all about Kerry's faults until you are blue in
> >the face and it won't matter one bit. Because this election is only
> >incidentally about Kerry. It is primarily about defeating Bush and we need
> >someone to stick in his place when he is gone. Anyone. A dead guy. A space
> >alien. A different chimp. Even another fucking Republican! ANYBODY. That's
> >what most of us are all about, Jason. I like Kerry. I have for 20 years. But
> >I'm making contributions to Kerry's Campaign and Liberal pacs to DUMP BUSH.
> >THAT is the goal.
> >
> >So here's a tip. For your own sake, quit wasting time Kerry bashing because
> >it is totally irrelevant and unproductive for you. We don't care what
> >Kerry's faults are if he can beat Bush. Instead, tell us why we should vote
> >for Bush. Tell us why you are voting for Bush. Give us facts or we will
> >fucking bury Bush. Lie to us and he loses. Because defeating Bush is our
> >only real objective and your success depends on turning that tide, not
> >attacking Kerry. Pretty simple, isn't it? Think you are up to it?
> >
> >Eric
>
> Bravo.

How about we dig up Joe Stalin and clone him and put him in place in
bayofgoats person's tiny apartment prior to putting him in place in the
presidency? Even his corpse would be mor alive than Kerry.

I do agree that you waste your time talking to most of these yapping
parrots about Lurch, however, because they're simply unable to think.
Their entire lives depend on flailing emotions to keep their brain cell
(singular) alive.

On 12-Jun-2004, Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:

> What the hell are you tlaking about?  There are no 'lies'.  There was
> intelligence data that may or may not turn out to be true.  There were
> no promises of anything.
>
> You leftist types just don't know what you even think are lies.  By
> default it's 'everything the other side says'.
>
> Real nice point of view.  That's why you idiots picked up kerry (hahah),
> a complete loser with no personality or appeal to anyone.  He has no
> 'base' except that he isn't Bush.  Unfortunate for you guys..
>
> If Bush loses, your chances of being killed by a WMD terrorist attack,
> anthrax, chemical, even nuclear now with Iran/NK with certain abilities,
> is *greatly* higher.  You don't even know who the correct side is to
> save yourself.
>
> Now for that, I feel very sorry for you.

There is something you obviously don't understand, but I'll give you and all
the right wingers on this newsgroup a HUGE tip. Most of us just want to
defeat Bush. You can tell us all about Kerry's faults until you are blue in
the face and it won't matter one bit. Because this election is only
incidentally about Kerry. It is primarily about defeating Bush and we need
someone to stick in his place when he is gone. Anyone. A dead guy. A space
alien. A different chimp. Even another fucking Republican! ANYBODY. That's
what most of us are all about, Jason. I like Kerry. I have for 20 years. But
I'm making contributions to Kerry's Campaign and Liberal pacs to DUMP BUSH.
THAT is the goal.

So here's a tip. For your own sake, quit wasting time Kerry bashing because
it is totally irrelevant and unproductive for you. We don't care what
Kerry's faults are if he can beat Bush. Instead, tell us why we should vote
for Bush. Tell us why you are voting for Bush. Give us facts or we will
fucking bury Bush. Lie to us and he loses. Because defeating Bush is our
only real objective and your success depends on turning that tide, not
attacking Kerry. Pretty simple, isn't it? Think you are up to it?

Eric

--
"The big elephant sitting in the corner is that George W. Bush is
simply unqualified for the job... What's his accomplishment? That he's
no longer an obnoxious drunk?" [Ron Reagan, Jr. during the 2000 GOP
convention]

On 13-Jun-2004, George Peatty <pttyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote:

> >You don't have to tell me about lying. I recognize it every time I see
> >someone from the Bush Administration
> >open their mouth. They don't even hide it anymore.
>
> The lie here is the one you're telling yourself.

The number of documented lies from Bush would fill a book. In fact, several.
I recommend as a start, "Worse than Watergate". I'd like to see you refute
the lies in Dean's book. Being so well informed, I'm sure you have read it.

Eric

--
"The big elephant sitting in the corner is that George W. Bush is
simply unqualified for the job... What's his accomplishment? That he's
no longer an obnoxious drunk?" [Ron Reagan, Jr. during the 2000 GOP
convention]

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> >How about we dig up Joe Stalin ...
>
> Your fondness for him, as for the fascist Bush, is misplaced, at best.

Nice try, but I have no fondness for him at all. You parrots can't spin
very well any more. That's because you're tired and all you can do is
squawk the same old yap - "fascist blah blah blah."

In reality you have the mentality of a killer like Joseph Stalin and
your entire life is eaten up with hate. So let's just dig up Stalin and
clone him and put the "anything else" in place in your tiny apartment
as a try-out before putting him in political office like you want.

Cheers!

symphonicsea@hotmail.com  (choral reef) wrote:

>i think when leftists and rightists embrace moore or limbaugh based on
>the notion that the obnoxious enemy of your enemy is your friend, they
>are shitting on public debate and acting like a bunch of stupid
>loutish assholes.

Michael Moore is the price the right has to pay for tolerating, nay embracing
the Limbaughs and the Savages. The world gets dumber every time Moore writes a
book or makes a movie, but it's too late for the right to start throwing
stones.

--Norbert

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:50:02 GMT, peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org wrote:

>On 12-Jun-2004, Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
>> What the hell are you tlaking about?  [...]
>
>There is something you obviously don't understand, but I'll give you and all
>the right wingers on this newsgroup a HUGE tip. Most of us just want to
>defeat Bush. You can tell us all about Kerry's faults until you are blue in
>the face and it won't matter one bit. Because this election is only
>incidentally about Kerry. It is primarily about defeating Bush and we need
>someone to stick in his place when he is gone. Anyone. A dead guy. A space
>alien. A different chimp. Even another fucking Republican! ANYBODY. That's
>what most of us are all about, Jason. I like Kerry. I have for 20 years. But
>I'm making contributions to Kerry's Campaign and Liberal pacs to DUMP BUSH.
>THAT is the goal.
>
>So here's a tip. For your own sake, quit wasting time Kerry bashing because
>it is totally irrelevant and unproductive for you. We don't care what
>Kerry's faults are if he can beat Bush. Instead, tell us why we should vote
>for Bush. Tell us why you are voting for Bush. Give us facts or we will
>fucking bury Bush. Lie to us and he loses. Because defeating Bush is our
>only real objective and your success depends on turning that tide, not
>attacking Kerry. Pretty simple, isn't it? Think you are up to it?
>
>Eric

Bravo.

just in case you don't already know...

Michael Moore isn't the only one who has recently made a good and
useful movie-
In case you don't already know- "Control room" is a very good
documentary about propaganda in the Iraqi invasion. It was released
earlier this year and is very good - especially for those who want
more insight on what's going on!

-

"...Egyptian-American Jehane Noujaim focuses her documentary cameras
on the news floor of al Jazeera's studios and the press room of
Centcom, the U.S. central command center in Qatar. Obviously, the
title refers not only to the control booth of the TV station but also,
the spinners of the news. What we discover is that information is not
the enemy so much as lack of information or disinformation is. The al
Jazeera producers and reporters are, by and large, BBC-trained and
advocate the "fair and balanced" sort of reporting that we once
respected before Fox News tarnished that particular phrase..."

From:  http://www.auschron.com/gbase/Calendar/Film?Film=oid%3A214831


Interview with the director:
http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/winter2004/features/counter_programming.html

--------------------

"the question of who is controlling the truth goes to the very heart
of her film, which follows events at Al Jazeera, the largest Arab news
network, during the war in Iraq. At once a clear-eyed document of the
war, an inquiry into the way events are filtered into "news," and a
complex, surprising portrait of the personalities behind the
scenes...."

From
http://worldfilm.about.com/cs/documentarie1/fr/controlroom.htm

========

Many don't know that Al Jazeera is manned by many former BBC people -
and that it is a free and independent source for news:

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

=========

The truth - about the horrors of war will set us free from war. The
truth about the decadence of political and big business tyrants (ie:
war profiteers) will set us free from them too.

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:12:49 -0700, Skipper <skipspamless@charter.net> wrote:

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>How about we dig up Joe Stalin ...

Your fondness for him, as for the fascist Bush, is misplaced, at best.

Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b358c07221dbca0989738@news-40.giganews.com>...
> In article <10cnjj3i7g4q4b5@corp.supernews.com>,
> peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org says...
> >
> > On 11-Jun-2004, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:
> >
> > > > but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
> > > > self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.
> > >
> > > See I see Moore as a funny, fair-minded, compassionate, talented,
> > > calm, intelligent-in-an-earthy-way kind of guy.
> > >
> > > Eye of the beholder I guess
> >
> > So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated to
> > say the least, but that's not a negative.
>
> Yeah, nasty, abusive lies appeal to you lefty types.  Negativity and
> destruction of this country are what you're all about.  Power at any
> cost.

The left is about power at any cost - oh man I havent had such a good
laugh in a long time. Side splitting, absolutley side splitting

On 14 Jun 2004 10:06:27 -0700, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:

>... about power at any cost ...

You can't afford your bushworship and want everyone else to pay for it.

Skipper wrote:
> X-No-archive: yes
>
> In article <p83rc0l3skn3p1pacbjd97eatnnaack4q3@4ax.com>, America wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:50:02 GMT, peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 12-Jun-2004, Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What the hell are you tlaking about?  [...]
>>>
>>>There is something you obviously don't understand, but I'll give you and all
>>>the right wingers on this newsgroup a HUGE tip. Most of us just want to
>>>defeat Bush. You can tell us all about Kerry's faults until you are blue in
>>>the face and it won't matter one bit. Because this election is only
>>>incidentally about Kerry. It is primarily about defeating Bush and we need
>>>someone to stick in his place when he is gone. Anyone. A dead guy. A space
>>>alien. A different chimp. Even another fucking Republican! ANYBODY. That's
>>>what most of us are all about, Jason. I like Kerry. I have for 20 years. But
>>>I'm making contributions to Kerry's Campaign and Liberal pacs to DUMP BUSH.
>>>THAT is the goal.
>>>
>>>So here's a tip. For your own sake, quit wasting time Kerry bashing because
>>>it is totally irrelevant and unproductive for you. We don't care what
>>>Kerry's faults are if he can beat Bush. Instead, tell us why we should vote
>>>for Bush. Tell us why you are voting for Bush. Give us facts or we will
>>>fucking bury Bush. Lie to us and he loses. Because defeating Bush is our
>>>only real objective and your success depends on turning that tide, not
>>>attacking Kerry. Pretty simple, isn't it? Think you are up to it?
>>>
>>>Eric
>>
>>Bravo.
>
>
> How about we dig up Joe Stalin and clone him and put him in place in
> bayofgoats person's tiny apartment prior to putting him in place in the
> presidency? Even his corpse would be mor alive than Kerry.
>
> I do agree that you waste your time talking to most of these yapping
> parrots about Lurch, however, because they're simply unable to think.
> Their entire lives depend on flailing emotions to keep their brain cell
> (singular) alive.


That is a very mean thing to say.  You should pray for yourself.

 
Michael Moore isn't the only one who has recently made a good and
useful movie 
 
In case you don't already know- "Control room" is a very good
documentary about propaganda in the Iraqi invasion. It was released
earlier this year and is very good - especially for those who want
more insight on what's going on!

"...Egyptian-American Jehane Noujaim focuses her documentary cameras
on the news floor of al Jazeera's studios and the press room of
Centcom, the U.S. central command center in Qatar. Obviously, the
title refers not only to the control booth of the TV station but also,
the spinners of the news. What we discover is that information is not
the enemy so much as lack of information or disinformation is. The al
Jazeera producers and reporters are, by and large, BBC-trained and
advocate the "fair and balanced" sort of reporting that we once
respected before Fox News tarnished that particular phrase..."

From:  http://www.auschron.com/gbase/Calendar/Film?Film=oid%3A214831


Interview with the director:
http://www.filmmakermagazine.com/winter2004/features/counter_programming.html

--------------------

"the question of who is controlling the truth goes to the very heart
of her film, which follows events at Al Jazeera, the largest Arab news
network, during the war in Iraq. At once a clear-eyed document of the
war, an inquiry into the way events are filtered into "news," and a
complex, surprising portrait of the personalities behind the
scenes...."

From
http://worldfilm.about.com/cs/documentarie1/fr/controlroom.htm

========

Many don't know that Al Jazeera is manned by many former BBC people -
and that it is a free and independent source for news. 

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

=========

The truth - about the horrors of war will set us free from it. The
truth about the decadence of political and big business tyrants (ie:
war profiteers) will set us free from them too.   

=========

"Man must change or die. There is no other course." 
The World Teacher

http://www.share-international.org

"Miles Long" <Miles@home.net> wrote in message
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> natch wrote:
>
> > Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.1b358c07221dbca0989738@news-40.giganews.com>...
> >
> >>In article <10cnjj3i7g4q4b5@corp.supernews.com>,
> >>peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org says...
> >>
> >>>On 11-Jun-2004, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
> >>>>>self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.

OK enough about Rush Limbaugh
> >>>>
>

America wrote:

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>
>>How about we dig up Joe Stalin ...
>
>
> Your fondness for him, as for the fascist Bush, is misplaced, at best.

But it lets us know where he stands.

Miles "Waste of Skin" Long

natch wrote:

> Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b358c07221dbca0989738@news-40.giganews.com>...
>
>>In article <10cnjj3i7g4q4b5@corp.supernews.com>,
>>peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org says...
>>
>>>On 11-Jun-2004, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
>>>>>self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.
>>>>
>>>>See I see Moore as a funny, fair-minded, compassionate, talented,
>>>>calm, intelligent-in-an-earthy-way kind of guy.
>>>>
>>>>Eye of the beholder I guess
>>>
>>>So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated to
>>>say the least, but that's not a negative.
>>
>>Yeah, nasty, abusive lies appeal to you lefty types.  Negativity and
>>destruction of this country are what you're all about.  Power at any
>>cost.
>
>
> The left is about power at any cost - oh man I havent had such a good
> laugh in a long time. Side splitting, absolutley side splitting

Then I'm suspecting Kerry's win in November is gonna damn near kill ya'!

Miles "Party Like It's 1999" Long

Nerdynorbert wrote:
> symphonicsea@hotmail.com  (choral reef) wrote:
>
>> i think when leftists and rightists embrace moore or limbaugh based
>> on
>> the notion that the obnoxious enemy of your enemy is your friend,
>> they
>> are shitting on public debate and acting like a bunch of stupid
>> loutish assholes.
>
> Michael Moore is the price the right has to pay for tolerating, nay
> embracing the Limbaughs and the Savages. The world gets dumber every
> time Moore writes a book or makes a movie, but it's too late for the
> right to start throwing stones.
>
> --Norbert

Well, somebody that gets it.  Vopah!  ;-)

--
Kal Alexander
--
The difference between Democrats
and Republicans is the same as
between the bottom side and top
side of a cow plop.

Miles Long <Miles@home.net> wrote in message news:<7d8d0$40ce4e0f$4069ee8e$26786@msgid.meganewsservers.com>...
> natch wrote:
>
> > Jason McNorton <jmcno@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b358c07221dbca0989738@news-40.giganews.com>...
> >
> >>In article <10cnjj3i7g4q4b5@corp.supernews.com>,
> >>peeance.freeance@bayofgoats.org says...
> >>
> >>>On 11-Jun-2004, natch@my-deja.com (natch) wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>but he's just ugly, vitrolic, hateful, crass, infantile,
> >>>>>self-righteous, obnoxious, and bullying.
> >>>>
> >>>>See I see Moore as a funny, fair-minded, compassionate, talented,
> >>>>calm, intelligent-in-an-earthy-way kind of guy.
> >>>>
> >>>>Eye of the beholder I guess
> >>>
> >>>So do I, but I'm not so sure of the fair-minded part. He's opinionated to
> >>>say the least, but that's not a negative.
> >>
> >>Yeah, nasty, abusive lies appeal to you lefty types.  Negativity and
> >>destruction of this country are what you're all about.  Power at any
> >>cost.
> >
> >
> > The left is about power at any cost - oh man I havent had such a good
> > laugh in a long time. Side splitting, absolutley side splitting
>
> Then I'm suspecting Kerry's win in November is gonna damn near kill ya'!

Everything is relative my friend - its all about comparsons. You seem
to be an "absolutist"