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"5parrowhawk" wrote ...
> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
> better groups,

In terms of what?

Translation's the only one I might comment on - but I'm not going to name
names :-P

I've come across a few translation mistakes (the Japanese doesn't mean
what they thought it meant) and a few translation decisions that I don't
agree with, but as I've never done* a fansub I'm not keen on ranking those
that have.

* And couldn't really yet do.

I've been getting Wolf's Rain from Anime-Keep, but since I don't know Japanese
I can't say whether the subtitles are accurate.  I can appreciate the fact that
you can easily read the subtitles, though.  Has anyone seen the subtitles on
the R1 release of Martian Successor Nadesico?  They use light yellow text,
making it impossible to read when a scene has a light background.  Because of
this, I had to watch the dubbed version, & it's not very good.

Tammy
Watch Cowboy Bebop Monday-Thursday on Adult Swim at 1:30 AM.
Cowboy Bebop movie coming in April, 2003 to the US.
http://jupiterjazz.cowboybebop.animeavatars.net

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0800, 5parrowhawk
<remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:

>I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
>compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
>better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?

First, "good" by my standards means that I can use the subtitles to
understand what the spoken dialog means without being distracted from
the action. So with that in mind, the better groups I've found are:

Elite-Fansubs(Kanon, Abenobashi)
NLA-Ishin-AF,AKA the Triad(Azumanga Daioh)
Hikari no Kiseki(Princess Tutu)

I also remember BakaMX and Soldats as being pretty good, although I
haven't watched any of their stuff lately. Rice Box is also okay,
although I don't think their subs flow as well as some others.

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Adam Haun
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"5parrowhawk" <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:3E36880A.9090002@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg...
> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
> better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?

I dont think it's fair to judge any of them since they're spending their own
time to do this for free just so non Japanese speaking anime fans can watch
and understand the latest series. Sure not all of them are that great but I
appreciate all of their effort.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0800, 5parrowhawk
<remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:

>I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
>compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
>better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>
>- 5parrow

Well, judging from the comments on the below page, AnimeJunkies is
supposedly among the *worst* groups out there.  Good translations,
encoding, editing, and manners sound like they're in short supply
there currently.  Evidently the only thing they have going for them is
speed and quantity.

http://www.envirosphere.com/groups.php?gs7

However, I don't use IRC myself, nor do I download multiple versions
to compare, so I can't verify this for myself.  However, given that
the 'ban people who compare subs' story is pretty consistent, I'm
going to forgo AJ releases on the basis of impoliteness.  Seeing as
how I'm on dialup anyways, I can wait for decent releases.  The good
series also get picked up by someone else, anyways.



Jonathan Fisher
who has *no* idea who has the most legible fonts, which would
otherwise be his primary criteria...
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> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
> better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>
> - 5parrow
>
>

http://thedigibrothers.com/fet/

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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:38:46 GMT, paranormalized
<cnendabeznyvmrdq@rndeguyvdax.arg> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0800, 5parrowhawk
><remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:
>
>>I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
>>compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
>>better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>>
>>- 5parrow
>
>Well, judging from the comments on the below page, AnimeJunkies is
>supposedly among the *worst* groups out there.  Good translations,
>encoding, editing, and manners sound like they're in short supply
>there currently.  Evidently the only thing they have going for them is
>speed and quantity.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Their subs are fairly readable, but you
can tell that they don't spend much time on making things sound good.
However, they are the best group currently doing Gundam Seed, so...

--
Adam Haun
ad...@infinity.idleplay.net

On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:36:11 GMT, "Dan" <lcp...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>"5parrowhawk" <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote in message
>news:3E36880A.9090002@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg...
>> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
>> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
>> better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>
>I dont think it's fair to judge any of them since they're spending their own
>time to do this for free just so non Japanese speaking anime fans can watch
>and understand the latest series. Sure not all of them are that great but I
>appreciate all of their effort.

Not everyone has a high-speed connection. Given a choice between
multi-hundred-meg files to download, sometimes it's nice to know which
groups are good and which aren't.

--
Adam Haun
ad...@infinity.idleplay.net

Let it be known that on Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:36:11 GMT, "Dan" <lcp...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>
>"5parrowhawk" <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote in message
>news:3E36880A.9090002@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg...
>> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
>> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
>> better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>
>I dont think it's fair to judge any of them since they're spending their own
>time to do this for free just so non Japanese speaking anime fans can watch
>and understand the latest series. Sure not all of them are that great but I
>appreciate all of their effort.

While I do appreciate them translating, sometimes I wish they would just do
that:  translate.  Instead too many waste time trying to out-do each other and
throw in as many fancy fonts and special effects, which makes the shows hard to
watch or just plain annoying.

5parrowhawk <remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote in message news:<3E36880...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg>...
> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
> better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>
> - 5parrow

My notes (> means "is better than", ~= means "about the same"):

nla ishin a-f >> e-a aone
hqa anbu > e-f a-e
anbu aone >> af-f
r-b > aku
r-b ~= hqa
etheria > a-k
af-f > a-kraze
ua > wizzu
chikara > ah
a-k ~= si-aoshi-ag
k-f ~= optp
solar-aoshi > keep-anbu
a-fansubs > ahaven
ahaven = bad
akupixel < uta = crap
a-j = crap
ssxanime = crap

5parrowhawk wrote:
> I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
> compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
> better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>
> - 5parrow
>

Fame??? LOL!!! The old famous fansubber - a tried and true American
icon. <chuckle>
Queso

ad...@mail.rit.edu (Adam Haun) wrote in
news:3e36e...@news.houston.sbcglobal.net:

> On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:38:46 GMT, paranormalized
><cnendabeznyvmrdq@rndeguyvdax.arg> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:39:22 +0800, 5parrowhawk
>><remove...@nathuangatsingnet.com.sg> wrote:
>>
>>>I've been watching digisubs for awhile, but never got a real chance to
>>>compare the quality of sub vs. original. Which would you consider the
>>>better groups, and which are the ones doing it solely for the fame?
>>>
>>>- 5parrow
>>
>>Well, judging from the comments on the below page, AnimeJunkies is
>>supposedly among the *worst* groups out there.  Good translations,
>>encoding, editing, and manners sound like they're in short supply
>>there currently.  Evidently the only thing they have going for them is
>>speed and quantity.
>
> Yeah, that sounds about right. Their subs are fairly readable, but you
> can tell that they don't spend much time on making things sound good.
> However, they are the best group currently doing Gundam Seed, so...
>


Only if by "best", you mean "fastest". Some of their character name
romanizations alone are awful. Raul Kuruuze? Moorer Fraga? They're only
surpassed by the ugliness of the actual Sunrise English spellings. =)

"Paul Blay" wrote:
> In which  case my 'tip of the day' is don't download "Magical Princess
Creamy
> Mami"

> Not because of the Fansub group - except that I question their judgement
in
> choosing the series in the first place.

It could be worse... Live-evil could have done
Full Moon wo Sagashite.  O_~

D-Chance.

"Adam Haun" wrote ...
>
> Not everyone has a high-speed connection. Given a choice between
> multi-hundred-meg files to download, sometimes it's nice to know which
> groups are good and which aren't.

In which  case my 'tip of the day' is don't download "Magical Princess Creamy
Mami"

Not because of the Fansub group - except that I question their judgement in
choosing the series in the first place.

On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 04:19:00 -0000, "Neo-Era"
<Guitar...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Only if by "best", you mean "fastest". Some of their character name
>romanizations alone are awful. Raul Kuruuze? Moorer Fraga? They're only
>surpassed by the ugliness of the actual Sunrise English spellings. =)

Oh yes, I loathe their romanizations. Can you recommend a better group
for Gundam Seed? Usually the fastest group is all that's in easy
reach; if I want someone else's subs I have to go digging.

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"Neo-Era" <Guitar...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Only if by "best", you mean "fastest". Some of their character name
> romanizations alone are awful. Raul Kuruuze? Moorer Fraga? They're only
> surpassed by the ugliness of the actual Sunrise English spellings. =)

I have a suspicion it's to confound the fangirls.  As one commented the
other day, "How can I write a slash fic about someone called Mwu?"

Andrew H