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In article <1992Mar10.201544.1@adcalc.fnal.gov>, mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
> Dor the individual who said you can get a 386 16 bit tandy machine for
> around 1500 some odd dollars Ha Ha Ha you can get a custom built 386 25 Mhz
> machine for the same price from almost any computer store.  Face it Tandy just
> can't compete.
> 							J. M.
From what I have seen at several discount places, you get a 386 25MHZ system
that gives a nortons rating far lower than the tandy 386 SX 25 MHZ.  Also, be
specific as to what that 386/25 system has included?  Keep in mind that the
Tandy system has aaan 85MB 1:1 11ms IDE hard disk, 70 watt power supply (the
CPU only needs 10) and that it has an overall nortons performance index of
about 15.

Also, from what I have heard, no matter what price you quote someone, they
always know where they can get it cheaper.

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In article <1992Mar10.201544.1@adcalc.fnal.gov>, mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
> Dor the individual who said you can get a 386 16 bit tandy machine for
> around 1500 some odd dollars Ha Ha Ha you can get a custom built 386 25 Mhz
> machine for the same price from almost any computer store.  Face it Tandy just
> can't compete.
> 							J. M.


If they can't compete, then how the hell did they pull of selling 250,000 2500
SX 20 systems between October and December 1991?  You figure it out.

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Sonoma State University, Rohnert Park, CA

I can also be reached on my BBS system, Color Galaxy Milky Way
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In article <1992Mar10.213418.1@vax.sonoma.edu> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>In article <1992Mar10.201544.1@adcalc.fnal.gov>, mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
>> Dor the individual who said you can get a 386 16 bit tandy machine for
>> around 1500 some odd dollars Ha Ha Ha you can get a custom built 386 25 Mhz
>> machine for the same price from almost any computer store.  Face it Tandy just
>> can't compete.
>> 							J. M.

	Someone I know just bought a computer from a local small business
computer seller.  He paid just over $1800 for a 33 Mhz 486 iwht 4 megs of
RAM, 130 meg HD, Super VGA (1024x768) with 1 meg of RAM, and a
non-interlaced Super VGA screen.  Included was DOS 5.0 and Windows.  So,
can anyone (save mail order) beat THAT price?

In article <krsbsmINN3lp@utkcs2.cs.utk.edu>, lape@cs.utk.edu (Bryon S. Lape) writes:
> In article <1992Mar10.213418.1@vax.sonoma.edu> levinson@vax.sonoma.edu writes:
>>In article <1992Mar10.201544.1@adcalc.fnal.gov>, mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
>>> Dor the individual who said you can get a 386 16 bit tandy machine for
>>> around 1500 some odd dollars Ha Ha Ha you can get a custom built 386 25 Mhz
>>> machine for the same price from almost any computer store.  Face it Tandy just
>>> can't compete.
>>> 							J. M.
>
> 	Someone I know just bought a computer from a local small business
> computer seller.  He paid just over $1800 for a 33 Mhz 486 iwht 4 megs of
> RAM, 130 meg HD, Super VGA (1024x768) with 1 meg of RAM, and a
> non-interlaced Super VGA screen.  Included was DOS 5.0 and Windows.  So,
> can anyone (save mail order) beat THAT price?

That sounds like a great price.  What was the company name and address?

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In article <1992Mar10.201544.1@adcalc.fnal.gov>, mantel@adcalc.fnal.gov writes:
|> Dor the individual who said you can get a 386 16 bit tandy machine for
|> around 1500 some odd dollars Ha Ha Ha you can get a custom built 386 25 Mhz
|> machine for the same price from almost any computer store.  Face it Tandy just
|> can't compete.
|> 							J. M.

No guy, you face it.  The other computer stores can't compete.  You have to
remember that RS is a cosumer home electronics retailer for the general public.
They don't try to underprice the computer stores.  When a RS salesperson sells
a computer to an individual, they are selling the hardware, software (if any),
and lifelong support for that machine (I know, I used to work for RS as a
computer salesperson in a high volume store).  For those of you who think that
you can't get support for your machine, you haven't gotten hold of the right
people.  One of my last sales was a total upgrade for a Tandy 3000HL (1987
sales catalogue).  It took some doing, but I found all the parts that the
customer wanted.  What computer store will still be able to support a machine that is 5 to 7 years old.

Another point I would like to make is about RS (Tandy) longevity.  Look in the
current phone book for you region.  Then look at the phone book from last year
and compare the number of computer stores that were around last year and are not
around this year.  What good is it to get a great deal on a computer if you
can't get someone to help you with it later down the line because they aren't
around anymore.

For the people who can do everything with a computer and are willing to take the
chance that nothing will go wrong, go ahead with the computer stores and mail
order.  However, it you want to ensure that you can get help when you need it,
RS is a good deal.

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mcmil-jd@osl.csc.ncsu.edu

P.S.  If you do have questions, make sure you go to a real RS and not a
franchise store.  The person's in the franchises are generally less knowledgable
about the products and can't get the things that a mall store or computer
center can.

In article <1992Mar12.215156.13007@ncsu.edu> jdmcmill@eos.ncsu.edu (JAMES D MCMILLAN) writes:
>
>For the people who can do everything with a computer and are willing to
>take the
>chance that nothing will go wrong, go ahead with the computer stores and mail
>order.  However, it you want to ensure that you can get help when you need it,
>RS is a good deal.

  Has anyone done a detailed analysis of this assumption?  My
  observations are:

  1.  If something will go wrong with a computer, it will usually
  happen early in the life cycle, while the computer is still
  covered by either the manufacturer or retailer warranty.  This is
  called infant mortality, a well known phenomenon.  Longevity of
  the company who sold the box is, in these cases, not an issue.

  2.  Is, on the average, the additional cost of a Tandy computer
  worth the support?  My experience with *many* computers (including
  clones and Tandys) is that problems are usually few and far
  between.  They are also usually no significant fraction of the
  cost of the computer to fix.  You can get a lot of repair work
  logged for the price of a comparable Tandy, particularly if you
  are willing to invest the time yourself.

  3.  Tandy support is no more or less adequate than the average.
  Most of the salesmen are buffoons when it comes to real computer
  knowledge, but that's the case wherever you go.  However, I would
  not want to pay extra money for this support when I can get far
  better advice from the guy 3 cubicles down in my office.

  4.  Tandy salesmen are pushy,pushy,pushy.  (Don't for one minute
  believe that this comment has any relevance to the topic at hand).

  My personal beef with Tandy is my 1000TX.  It's been a good box
  with no equipment failures, but it's nothing more than a glofified
  XT.  I was quite naive about computers at the time, so I believed
  Tandy's add campaign about moving into the next generation with
  the new Intel 286 microprocessor.  I believed the TX to be an AT
  clone.  Granted, the fault of the ignorance is mine, but Tandy did
  nothing to dispense with the misconception.  So now I have a brain
  damaged computer that's stuck in the limbo between current technology
  and obsolescence.

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