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29 total messages Started by "Dippy_dj dippy_ Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40
Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Dippy_dj dippy_
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40
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"Doug Cox" <toosmoky@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Couldn't fuckin' care less. Fuck off.

Until one day your wife, mother, sister or daughter is raped.

Then we'll see you change your tune.

You selfish PC arsehole.



Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Scotty"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:03
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"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> You have to wonder about the trendy PC set and how many of them would
> react to such a situation. I suspect the ones truly submerged in the
> ideology, or those simply too embarrassed to denounce it, would blame
> conservatives and social injustices (or anything else they could find)
> rather than blame the criminals. Far easier to cast the criminals as
> victims than see these attacks as hate crimes against whites.

Can I just say something here please?  None of the articles I have read
about this topic have stated the girls background.  As far as we know they
may have been muslims too...  Also I don't see how this specific case is a
hate crime...


Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Scotty"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:22
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"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:03:45 GMT, "Scotty" <scott_usenet@hotmail.com>
> wrote:

Firsly, I wasn't trying to prove or disprove your point and I don't think I
proved it at all.  The first part of my post was not even in direct reply to
your post.  It was instead a post directed to everyone who had just assumed
that the girls raped were not muslims which I decided to place under yours.
I should have made that clear, I am sorry.

> A) As far as you may want to know they may have been Muslims. However
> as far as what is known about Muslim culture for various reasons the
> girls were unlikely to be Muslim. Firstly they would have not been
> targeted if they were, secondly they probably wouldn't have come
> forward (for fear of being murdered by their own families), and
> thirdly if the information had of gotten back to the families there
> would have been a major manhunt to find and kill the individuals
> involved. Lastly, Muslim females live under severe restrictions and
> curfews, meeting and hanging out with members of the opposite sex is
> not taken so casually, let alone spending the night at a house away
> from their family.
>
> I could be completely wrong on this point but I doubt it.

As far as I want to know?  Where did you get that?  Where did I state that I
was siding with the accused on this matter?  All I said was that nowhere had
I read that the girls involved were of European decent.  I still stand by
this and still believe that judgements made about people you don't know or
don't know their entire background are wrong...

Also, I wasn't implying that they were muslims, I was implying that they
could be of any decent, not necessarily arab.  Anything at all.  Why could
they be anything?  Because none of the articles (that have been posted here
anyway) say where they are from.  So your judgement is not based on pure
facts, but assumptions.

> B) Considering that according to Muslim culture the free and easy
> lifestyle of Western women equates them with whores and the specific
> targeting of Western/white/Australian women in these crimes does
> equate with a hate crime.

Do you have any evidence to prove that this is the case?  Do you have prove
that Western women are targeted more?  Even if you did, going by what you
said about Muslim girls not reporting such incidents you yourself would have
to be very weary of such information.  Simply raping a girl that happens to
be white is not a hate crime.  It is a horendous crime that needs a very
harsh penalty I agree, but not a hate crime.

> You would be very quick to label as a hate crime a situation where
> Australian males (for example) targeted females of a specific culture
> or race for whatever reason.

Once again you are judging, this time me.  You do not know anything about
me, yet you are calling me a hyprocrite.  If you look at me original post I
did not express any personal feelings or opinions, except for the fact that
I didn't believe that from the information available about THIS SPECIFIC
case was an example of a hate crime.  I did not express any feelings about
the people who committed or the people who attacked in this crime.

Finally, I feel that we are talking about seperate issues here.  I feel that
you are talking about examples where Muslim men have targeted and raped
white Australian women simply because they were white.  Whereas I am talking
about this example where nowhere has it been stated that these girls were
raped because they were white.


Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Miss-G-"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 06:37
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It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that particular
person.

Thanks
Miss-G-


"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40:59 GMT, "Dippy_dj dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au"
> <dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> }"Doug Cox" <toosmoky@hotmail.com> wrote:
> }
> }>Couldn't fuckin' care less. Fuck off.
> }
> }Until one day your wife, mother, sister or daughter is raped.
> }
> }Then we'll see you change your tune.
> }
> }You selfish PC arsehole.
> }
>
> You have to wonder about the trendy PC set and how many of them would
> react to such a situation. I suspect the ones truly submerged in the
> ideology, or those simply too embarrassed to denounce it, would blame
> conservatives and social injustices (or anything else they could find)
> rather than blame the criminals. Far easier to cast the criminals as
> victims than see these attacks as hate crimes against whites.
>


Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "infidel"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 08:19
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That's why you are a miss
FA
I.

"Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote in message
news:MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that
particular
> person.
>
> Thanks
> Miss-G-
>
>
> "Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:q8ampvovi71fq2c92npn1kc8aog2kbrvuf@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40:59 GMT, "Dippy_dj dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au"
> > <dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > }"Doug Cox" <toosmoky@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > }
> > }>Couldn't fuckin' care less. Fuck off.
> > }
> > }Until one day your wife, mother, sister or daughter is raped.
> > }
> > }Then we'll see you change your tune.
> > }
> > }You selfish PC arsehole.
> > }
> >
> > You have to wonder about the trendy PC set and how many of them would
> > react to such a situation. I suspect the ones truly submerged in the
> > ideology, or those simply too embarrassed to denounce it, would blame
> > conservatives and social injustices (or anything else they could find)
> > rather than blame the criminals. Far easier to cast the criminals as
> > victims than see these attacks as hate crimes against whites.
> >
>
>


Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:01
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40:59 GMT, "Dippy_dj dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au"
<dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

}"Doug Cox" <toosmoky@hotmail.com> wrote:
}
}>Couldn't fuckin' care less. Fuck off.
}
}Until one day your wife, mother, sister or daughter is raped.
}
}Then we'll see you change your tune.
}
}You selfish PC arsehole.
}

You have to wonder about the trendy PC set and how many of them would
react to such a situation. I suspect the ones truly submerged in the
ideology, or those simply too embarrassed to denounce it, would blame
conservatives and social injustices (or anything else they could find)
rather than blame the criminals. Far easier to cast the criminals as
victims than see these attacks as hate crimes against whites.

Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Miss-G-"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:35
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Yes I know, we're much more specific about who we hate.

Thanks
Miss-G-

"infidel" <someone@somewhere.con> wrote in message
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> That's why you are a miss
> FA
> I.
>
> "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote in message
> news:MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that
> particular
> > person.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Miss-G-
> >
> >
> > "Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:q8ampvovi71fq2c92npn1kc8aog2kbrvuf@4ax.com...
> > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:40:59 GMT, "Dippy_dj dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au"
> > > <dippy_dj@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > }"Doug Cox" <toosmoky@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > }
> > > }>Couldn't fuckin' care less. Fuck off.
> > > }
> > > }Until one day your wife, mother, sister or daughter is raped.
> > > }
> > > }Then we'll see you change your tune.
> > > }
> > > }You selfish PC arsehole.
> > > }
> > >
> > > You have to wonder about the trendy PC set and how many of them would
> > > react to such a situation. I suspect the ones truly submerged in the
> > > ideology, or those simply too embarrassed to denounce it, would blame
> > > conservatives and social injustices (or anything else they could find)
> > > rather than blame the criminals. Far easier to cast the criminals as
> > > victims than see these attacks as hate crimes against whites.
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 13:52
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:03:45 GMT, "Scotty" <scott_usenet@hotmail.com>
wrote:

}"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
}news:q8ampvovi71fq2c92npn1kc8aog2kbrvuf@4ax.com...
}> You have to wonder about the trendy PC set and how many of them would
}> react to such a situation. I suspect the ones truly submerged in the
}> ideology, or those simply too embarrassed to denounce it, would blame
}> conservatives and social injustices (or anything else they could find)
}> rather than blame the criminals. Far easier to cast the criminals as
}> victims than see these attacks as hate crimes against whites.
}
}Can I just say something here please?  None of the articles I have read
}about this topic have stated the girls background.  As far as we know they
}may have been muslims too...  Also I don't see how this specific case is a
}hate crime...
}

Thanks Scotty for your contribution and for proving my point.

To answer your points though:

A) As far as you may want to know they may have been Muslims. However
as far as what is known about Muslim culture for various reasons the
girls were unlikely to be Muslim. Firstly they would have not been
targeted if they were, secondly they probably wouldn't have come
forward (for fear of being murdered by their own families), and
thirdly if the information had of gotten back to the families there
would have been a major manhunt to find and kill the individuals
involved. Lastly, Muslim females live under severe restrictions and
curfews, meeting and hanging out with members of the opposite sex is
not taken so casually, let alone spending the night at a house away
from their family.

I could be completely wrong on this point but I doubt it.

B) Considering that according to Muslim culture the free and easy
lifestyle of Western women equates them with whores and the specific
targeting of Western/white/Australian women in these crimes does
equate with a hate crime.

You would be very quick to label as a hate crime a situation where
Australian males (for example) targeted females of a specific culture
or race for whatever reason.
Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
#98488
Author: "Tourette's"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:58
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"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> A) As far as you may want to know they may have been Muslims. However
> as far as what is known about Muslim culture for various reasons the
> girls were unlikely to be Muslim. Firstly they would have not been
> targeted if they were, secondly they probably wouldn't have come
> forward (for fear of being murdered by their own families), and
> thirdly if the information had of gotten back to the families there
> would have been a major manhunt to find and kill the individuals
> involved.

Some of that may be true in some conservative or fundamentalist
Muslim or ethnic families, but it certainly isn't the norm.

> Lastly, Muslim females live under severe restrictions and
> curfews, meeting and hanging out with members of the opposite sex is
> not taken so casually, let alone spending the night at a house away
> from their family.
> I could be completely wrong on this point but I doubt it.

I don't - you are completely wrong.
One of my best friends in school was from a Turkish family, quite
religious but they gave her plenty of freedom. She came to virtually
all our parties, when we went to the movies, etc. and was at all
formals and deb parties. In fact, apart from often wearing the veil
(the name of it escapes me at the moment) she was no different from
any of us. She even swore like us too.

---
Tourette's



Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Tourette's"
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:59
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"infidel" <someone@somewhere.con> wrote in message
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> That's why you are a miss

And that's why you are an impote... err, infidel.

---
Tourette's



Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
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Author: Single Serving K
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30
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In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
 "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:

> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that particular
> person.

that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.
Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:11
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:03 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
<kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:

}In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
} "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:
}
}> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that particular
}> person.
}
}that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.

Of course, as we know Islam is a peaceful and loving religion and
Muslims are, by and large, warm and fuzzy people. It's just a few bad
apples that rape, loot, pillage, murder, preach hate against
non-Muslims, perform acts of terrorism killing innocent women and
children, oppress women and dissidents, support torture and mutilation
etc, etc...

Islam is just plainly misunderstood and we Australians should give it
a fair go.
Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
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Author: Single Serving K
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:05
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In article <bjqrpvci009cmmfo7gih91f4fi10fn7drm@4ax.com>,
 Thomas Jerome Newton <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:03 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
> <kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:
>
> }In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> } "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:
> }
> }> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that
> }> particular
> }> person.
> }
> }that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.
>
> Of course, as we know Islam is a peaceful and loving religion and
> Muslims are, by and large, warm and fuzzy people. It's just a few bad
> apples that rape, loot, pillage, murder, preach hate against
> non-Muslims, perform acts of terrorism killing innocent women and
> children, oppress women and dissidents, support torture and mutilation
> etc, etc...

And that behaviour is exclusive to Muslims ? dickhead.
Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:14
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:05:42 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
<kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:

}In article <bjqrpvci009cmmfo7gih91f4fi10fn7drm@4ax.com>,
} Thomas Jerome Newton <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote:
}
}> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:03 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
}> <kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:
}>
}> }In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
}> } "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:
}> }
}> }> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that
}> }> particular
}> }> person.
}> }
}> }that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.
}>
}> Of course, as we know Islam is a peaceful and loving religion and
}> Muslims are, by and large, warm and fuzzy people. It's just a few bad
}> apples that rape, loot, pillage, murder, preach hate against
}> non-Muslims, perform acts of terrorism killing innocent women and
}> children, oppress women and dissidents, support torture and mutilation
}> etc, etc...
}
}And that behaviour is exclusive to Muslims ? dickhead.

Hmmm, the part about preaching hate against non-Muslims would be a
give away wouldn't it, apologist dickhead?
Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:40
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:58:40 +1100, "Tourette's"
<emily_patt@notmail.hotmail.com> wrote:

}
}"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
}news:ldbmpv82s6nn0to86dg4r11tr1lbbndq8c@4ax.com...
}
}> A) As far as you may want to know they may have been Muslims. However
}> as far as what is known about Muslim culture for various reasons the
}> girls were unlikely to be Muslim. Firstly they would have not been
}> targeted if they were, secondly they probably wouldn't have come
}> forward (for fear of being murdered by their own families), and
}> thirdly if the information had of gotten back to the families there
}> would have been a major manhunt to find and kill the individuals
}> involved.
}
}Some of that may be true in some conservative or fundamentalist
}Muslim or ethnic families, but it certainly isn't the norm.
}

Really, and you base that on a sample of one?

}> Lastly, Muslim females live under severe restrictions and
}> curfews, meeting and hanging out with members of the opposite sex is
}> not taken so casually, let alone spending the night at a house away
}> from their family.
}> I could be completely wrong on this point but I doubt it.
}
}I don't - you are completely wrong.

What a surprise.

}One of my best friends in school was from a Turkish family, quite
}religious but they gave her plenty of freedom. She came to virtually
}all our parties, when we went to the movies, etc. and was at all
}formals and deb parties. In fact, apart from often wearing the veil
}(the name of it escapes me at the moment) she was no different from
}any of us. She even swore like us too.
}

Well that all makes the case then doesn't it? How utterly absurd.

I went to Primary/High School and was friends with Turks and Lebanese
(both Xian and Muslim). One of my accountants was Lebanese Muslim, we
even went to the same High School and he was born here. Yet he married
a Muslim girl who wore the veil and adhered to strict Islamic custom.
The Turks were overall more casual than the Lebanese about issues of
religion but in general still had contempt, if not hate, for
non-Muslims.

I bet your friend didn't marry an Aussie ,or for that fact a
non-Muslim. Being a female of that background that sort of choice
wouldn't really have been open to her, but then that wouldn't have
made for such a good story - would it?
Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:45
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 03:22:12 GMT, "Scotty" <scott_usenet@hotmail.com>
wrote:

}"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
}news:ldbmpv82s6nn0to86dg4r11tr1lbbndq8c@4ax.com...
}> On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:03:45 GMT, "Scotty" <scott_usenet@hotmail.com>
}> wrote:
}
}Firsly, I wasn't trying to prove or disprove your point and I don't think I
}proved it at all.  The first part of my post was not even in direct reply to
}your post.  It was instead a post directed to everyone who had just assumed
}that the girls raped were not muslims which I decided to place under yours.
}I should have made that clear, I am sorry.
}
}> A) As far as you may want to know they may have been Muslims. However
}> as far as what is known about Muslim culture for various reasons the
}> girls were unlikely to be Muslim. Firstly they would have not been
}> targeted if they were, secondly they probably wouldn't have come
}> forward (for fear of being murdered by their own families), and
}> thirdly if the information had of gotten back to the families there
}> would have been a major manhunt to find and kill the individuals
}> involved. Lastly, Muslim females live under severe restrictions and
}> curfews, meeting and hanging out with members of the opposite sex is
}> not taken so casually, let alone spending the night at a house away
}> from their family.
}>
}> I could be completely wrong on this point but I doubt it.
}
}As far as I want to know?  Where did you get that?  Where did I state that I
}was siding with the accused on this matter?  All I said was that nowhere had
}I read that the girls involved were of European decent.  I still stand by
}this and still believe that judgements made about people you don't know or
}don't know their entire background are wrong...
}
}Also, I wasn't implying that they were muslims, I was implying that they
}could be of any decent, not necessarily arab.  Anything at all.  Why could
}they be anything?  Because none of the articles (that have been posted here
}anyway) say where they are from.  So your judgement is not based on pure
}facts, but assumptions.
}
}> B) Considering that according to Muslim culture the free and easy
}> lifestyle of Western women equates them with whores and the specific
}> targeting of Western/white/Australian women in these crimes does
}> equate with a hate crime.
}
}Do you have any evidence to prove that this is the case?  Do you have prove
}that Western women are targeted more?  Even if you did, going by what you
}said about Muslim girls not reporting such incidents you yourself would have
}to be very weary of such information.  Simply raping a girl that happens to
}be white is not a hate crime.  It is a horendous crime that needs a very
}harsh penalty I agree, but not a hate crime.
}
}> You would be very quick to label as a hate crime a situation where
}> Australian males (for example) targeted females of a specific culture
}> or race for whatever reason.
}
}Once again you are judging, this time me.  You do not know anything about
}me, yet you are calling me a hyprocrite.  If you look at me original post I
}did not express any personal feelings or opinions, except for the fact that
}I didn't believe that from the information available about THIS SPECIFIC
}case was an example of a hate crime.  I did not express any feelings about
}the people who committed or the people who attacked in this crime.
}
}Finally, I feel that we are talking about seperate issues here.  I feel that
}you are talking about examples where Muslim men have targeted and raped
}white Australian women simply because they were white.  Whereas I am talking
}about this example where nowhere has it been stated that these girls were
}raped because they were white.
}

The benefit of the doubt 'til the last drop of blood, ey? Asian/Muslim
rape gangs and their targeting of non-Muslim females (known as
"tournante") in Western countries is a well established reality.

Suggest you do a google search on it.
Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
#99144
Author: pedro
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:24
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Single Serving Kenton wrote:

> In article <bjqrpvci009cmmfo7gih91f4fi10fn7drm@4ax.com>,
>  Thomas Jerome Newton <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:03 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
> > <kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:
> >
> > }In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> > } "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:
> > }
> > }> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that
> > }> particular
> > }> person.
> > }
> > }that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.
> >
> > Of course, as we know Islam is a peaceful and loving religion and
> > Muslims are, by and large, warm and fuzzy people. It's just a few bad
> > apples that rape, loot, pillage, murder, preach hate against
> > non-Muslims, perform acts of terrorism killing innocent women and
> > children, oppress women and dissidents, support torture and mutilation
> > etc, etc...
>
> And that behaviour is exclusive to Muslims ? dickhead.

I think we're all getting a bit pissed off by being told that Islam is a
loving and peaceful religion, when the facts would indicate otherwise. I see
that North Korea has declined a US proposal for a defence alliance (pardon
if I don't have specific details) on the basis that such an agreement would
invite terrorist activity against them. That is precisely the attitude that
OBL and his followers want. If we all think like that.. they win, we lose.


--
rgds,

Pete.
====
http://devoted.to/pedro



Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Tourette's"
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:17
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"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> }Some of that may be true in some conservative or fundamentalist
> }Muslim or ethnic families, but it certainly isn't the norm.
> Really, and you base that on a sample of one?

Well, you base your theories on a small number of examples,
I was just playing you at your own game.

> }One of my best friends in school was from a Turkish family, quite
> }religious but they gave her plenty of freedom. She came to virtually
> }all our parties, when we went to the movies, etc. and was at all
> }formals and deb parties. In fact, apart from often wearing the veil
> }(the name of it escapes me at the moment) she was no different from
> }any of us. She even swore like us too.
> Well that all makes the case then doesn't it? How utterly absurd.

It shows that it doesn't always go on and it doesn't apply to all
Muslims, which is what you and your ilk would have us believe.
Of course *some* idiot Lebanese gangs do engage in this sort of
racist vendetta, but then again so do some white gangs. It all shows
nothing except that some people are just virulently nasty.

> I went to Primary/High School and was friends with Turks and Lebanese
> (both Xian and Muslim). One of my accountants was Lebanese Muslim, we
> even went to the same High School and he was born here. Yet he married
> a Muslim girl who wore the veil and adhered to strict Islamic custom.
> The Turks were overall more casual than the Lebanese about issues of
> religion but in general still had contempt, if not hate, for
> non-Muslims.

I don't accept that at all. If their attitudes could be described as
hateful to Australians, they would have no reason for being here
in the first place. I don't doubt that many of them despite certain
things about Australian culture or values or politics or whatever,
then again that's true of my own beliefs. To suggest that all or
most go around engaging in psychological terrorism and ethnic-
inspired rape is ridiculous.

> I bet your friend didn't marry an Aussie ,or for that fact a
> non-Muslim. Being a female of that background that sort of choice
> wouldn't really have been open to her, but then that wouldn't have
> made for such a good story - would it?

My friend is single. She went to ANU and the last I heard she was
living and working in a government department in Canberra, well
away from her family, which kind of nullifies your point as well.

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Tourette's




Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
#99203
Author: "Tourette's"
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:20
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"pedro" <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote in message
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> I think we're all getting a bit pissed off by being told that Islam is a
> loving and peaceful religion, when the facts would indicate otherwise. I
see
> that North Korea has declined a US proposal for a defence alliance (pardon
> if I don't have specific details) on the basis that such an agreement
would
> invite terrorist activity against them. That is precisely the attitude
that
> OBL and his followers want. If we all think like that.. they win, we lose.

So you're basing your theories on the political maneuvoring and diplomatic
grandstanding of North Korea?!?

LOL! I have heard it all now.

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Tourette's



Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
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Author: pedro
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:17
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Tourette's wrote:

> "pedro" <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote in message
> news:3F9E35CF.FC00A6FD@bigpong.com...
>
> > I think we're all getting a bit pissed off by being told that Islam is a
> > loving and peaceful religion, when the facts would indicate otherwise. I
> see
> > that North Korea has declined a US proposal for a defence alliance (pardon
> > if I don't have specific details) on the basis that such an agreement
> would
> > invite terrorist activity against them. That is precisely the attitude
> that
> > OBL and his followers want. If we all think like that.. they win, we lose.
>
> So you're basing your theories on the political maneuvoring and diplomatic
> grandstanding of North Korea?!?
>
> LOL! I have heard it all now.
>
> ---
> Tourette's

Ever heard the expression 'case in point' ?


--
rgds,

Pete.
====
http://devoted.to/pedro




Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: pedro
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:33
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Tourette's wrote:

> "Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:au5spvghqpfodsjsm5gqgkk934jeog6ihk@4ax.com...
>
> > }Some of that may be true in some conservative or fundamentalist
> > }Muslim or ethnic families, but it certainly isn't the norm.
> > Really, and you base that on a sample of one?
>
> Well, you base your theories on a small number of examples,
> I was just playing you at your own game.
>
> > }One of my best friends in school was from a Turkish family, quite
> > }religious but they gave her plenty of freedom. She came to virtually
> > }all our parties, when we went to the movies, etc. and was at all
> > }formals and deb parties. In fact, apart from often wearing the veil
> > }(the name of it escapes me at the moment) she was no different from
> > }any of us. She even swore like us too.
> > Well that all makes the case then doesn't it? How utterly absurd.
>
> It shows that it doesn't always go on and it doesn't apply to all
> Muslims, which is what you and your ilk would have us believe.
> Of course *some* idiot Lebanese gangs do engage in this sort of
> racist vendetta, but then again so do some white gangs. It all shows
> nothing except that some people are just virulently nasty.
>
> > I went to Primary/High School and was friends with Turks and Lebanese
> > (both Xian and Muslim). One of my accountants was Lebanese Muslim, we
> > even went to the same High School and he was born here. Yet he married
> > a Muslim girl who wore the veil and adhered to strict Islamic custom.
> > The Turks were overall more casual than the Lebanese about issues of
> > religion but in general still had contempt, if not hate, for
> > non-Muslims.
>
> I don't accept that at all. If their attitudes could be described as
> hateful to Australians, they would have no reason for being here
> in the first place. I don't doubt that many of them despite certain
> things about Australian culture or values or politics or whatever,
> then again that's true of my own beliefs. To suggest that all or
> most go around engaging in psychological terrorism and ethnic-
> inspired rape is ridiculous.
>
> > I bet your friend didn't marry an Aussie ,or for that fact a
> > non-Muslim. Being a female of that background that sort of choice
> > wouldn't really have been open to her, but then that wouldn't have
> > made for such a good story - would it?
>
> My friend is single. She went to ANU and the last I heard she was
> living and working in a government department in Canberra, well
> away from her family, which kind of nullifies your point as well.
>
> ---
> Tourette's

You should see those statistics about crime in Denmark that 'The
Enlightenment' posts. I think England is going the same way as well.


--
rgds,

Pete.
====
http://devoted.to/pedro


Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: Single Serving K
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:36
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In article <Afsnb.276$%T1.8038@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>,
 "Tourette's" <emily_patt@notmail.hotmail.com> wrote:

> > I bet your friend didn't marry an Aussie ,or for that fact a
> > non-Muslim. Being a female of that background that sort of choice
> > wouldn't really have been open to her, but then that wouldn't have
> > made for such a good story - would it?
>
> My friend is single. She went to ANU and the last I heard she was
> living and working in a government department in Canberra, well
> away from her family,

Uh oh, I hope ASIO knows about this....
Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
#99297
Author: John Leister
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:56
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Thomas Jerome Newton wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:03 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
> <kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:
>
> }In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
> } "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:
> }
> }> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that particular
> }> person.
> }
> }that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.
>
> Of course, as we know Islam is a peaceful and loving religion and
> Muslims are, by and large, warm and fuzzy people. It's just a few bad
> apples that rape, loot, pillage, murder, preach hate against
> non-Muslims, perform acts of terrorism killing innocent women and
> children, oppress women and dissidents, support torture and mutilation
> etc, etc...
>
> Islam is just plainly misunderstood and we Australians should give it
> a fair go.



You forgot flying planes into buildings



Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Tourette's"
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:37
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"pedro" <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote in message
news:3F9E7016.F2940A3B@bigpong.com...

> You should see those statistics about crime in Denmark that 'The
> Enlightenment' posts. I think England is going the same way as well.

Statistics mean little because they're the end result of a lot of
intertwined and indistinguishable social processes and changes.
If Muslims commit more crime, it might meant they're more
poverty-bound and so forth. I'd much prefer to see a broader
study before swallowing a Usenet theory that just points to some
interesting but quoted-out-of-context numbers.

As for Britain, it has many immigrant-oriented problems, many
derived from eastern Europeans, Roma ('gypsies') and both
Muslims and non-Muslims from the Balkan states. I'm not sure
the problems are solely derived from Muslims or Islam alone.

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Tourette's



Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: alphakitten
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:57
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Tourette's wrote:
> "pedro" <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote in message
> news:3F9E7016.F2940A3B@bigpong.com...
>
>
>>You should see those statistics about crime in Denmark that 'The
>>Enlightenment' posts. I think England is going the same way as well.
>
>
> Statistics mean little because they're the end result of a lot of
> intertwined and indistinguishable social processes and changes.
>


And statistics provided by racist nitwits like The Enlightenment mean
even less.


                              ~Angel

Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: pedro
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:12
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alphakitten wrote:

> Tourette's wrote:
> > "pedro" <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote in message
> > news:3F9E7016.F2940A3B@bigpong.com...
> >
> >
> >>You should see those statistics about crime in Denmark that 'The
> >>Enlightenment' posts. I think England is going the same way as well.
> >
> >
> > Statistics mean little because they're the end result of a lot of
> > intertwined and indistinguishable social processes and changes.
> >
>
> And statistics provided by racist nitwits like The Enlightenment mean
> even less.

I see. The validity of statistics depends on who's quoting them. I must
remember that.


--
rgds,

Pete.
====
http://devoted.to/pedro


Re: Aussie Muslims raped by White Usenet poster
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Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:24
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:56:50 +1030, John Leister
<MuggySphere@hotmail.com> wrote:

}Thomas Jerome Newton wrote:
}
}> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:30:03 +1100, Single Serving Kenton
}> <kobNOSPAMPLEASEE@kob.id.au> wrote:
}>
}> }In article <MYJmb.165662$bo1.98577@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
}> } "Miss-G-" <astrogirl@NOSPAMcyberchiq.com> wrote:
}> }
}> }> It wouldn't make me hate all Muslims.  It would make me hate that particular
}> }> person.
}> }
}> }that's far too sensible for most people on this thread.
}>
}> Of course, as we know Islam is a peaceful and loving religion and
}> Muslims are, by and large, warm and fuzzy people. It's just a few bad
}> apples that rape, loot, pillage, murder, preach hate against
}> non-Muslims, perform acts of terrorism killing innocent women and
}> children, oppress women and dissidents, support torture and mutilation
}> etc, etc...
}>
}> Islam is just plainly misunderstood and we Australians should give it
}> a fair go.
}
}
}
}You forgot flying planes into buildings
}

Well that was only 19 guys, we should ignore the fact that it had wide
support from Muslims around the world  who celebrated the death and
destruction. Or that the name Osama shot to number in popularity for
newborn boys.

Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
#99842
Author: Thomas Jerome Ne
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:27
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:12:52 +1100, pedro <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote:

}alphakitten wrote:
}
}> Tourette's wrote:
}> > "pedro" <pedro@bigpong.com> wrote in message
}> > news:3F9E7016.F2940A3B@bigpong.com...
}> >
}> >
}> >>You should see those statistics about crime in Denmark that 'The
}> >>Enlightenment' posts. I think England is going the same way as well.
}> >
}> >
}> > Statistics mean little because they're the end result of a lot of
}> > intertwined and indistinguishable social processes and changes.
}> >
}>
}> And statistics provided by racist nitwits like The Enlightenment mean
}> even less.
}
}I see. The validity of statistics depends on who's quoting them. I must
}remember that.

Not to mention that they must support leftythink and pcthink,
otherwise they're useless fabrications.
Re: Aussie girls raped by Muslims at knifepoint
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Author: "Tourette's"
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:30
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"Thomas Jerome Newton" <tjn@KILLsubdimensionSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:jni1qv4913dcdf8av9ok0nm5kuiier300g@4ax.com...

> }I see. The validity of statistics depends on who's quoting them. I must
> }remember that.
>
> Not to mention that they must support leftythink and pcthink,
> otherwise they're useless fabrications.

Or in your case, nothink.

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Tourette's



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