🚀 go-pugleaf

Sounds like a revenuer's dream with the imaginations of the RI11CE r's going
for it yet again.  Bob Carr, you are a marvel.
SO11ID  for the GTHO owner, RR01ID for the Olympic athlete,   For the doofer
DO00OF for the computing elite LE37ER  it goes on.,........
Jock

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| athol wrote:
| ...
|  > Just heard on the radio news that NSW have
|  > just announced that they are releasing new
|  > standard issue number plates.
|  >
|  > Black on yellow plates.
|  >
|  > Letter, Letter, Number, Number, Letter, Letter.
| ...
|
| *thinks about Stupid People, and how to get money out of them*
| *calls RTA & reserves "SI11CK"*
|
|
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athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?

Oops.  Make that 2050.

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TO00OL as well :)
Jock
"Dirty Sanchez" <DS@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
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| Jock wrote:
| > Sounds like a revenuer's dream with the imaginations of the RI11CE r's
going
| > for it yet again.  Bob Carr, you are a marvel.
| > SO11ID  for the GTHO owner, RR01ID for the Olympic athlete,   For the
doofer
| > DO00OF for the computing elite LE37ER  it goes on.,........
| > Jock
|
| How about FO00OL? :-)

In article <2m62ahFiu7imU1@uni-berlin.de>, me@privacy.net says...

> They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?

Wasn't it 2050?

Considering we have 3 letters, 2 numbers and a letter available, I'm
wondering why they've bothered with these new number plates?

Cheers,
Rod.

NO. (IMHO) - they can charge a transfer vehicle to vehicle I reckon but the
plate's ID is secured at the time it was made so hands offa da wallet boyz!
Jock

Zeljko wrote:
>> These fees are only about 1 year old. If you were to get the same
>> plates today there would be an annual fee. They are not going to
>> charge any persons with the annual fee before the new pricing system
>> came into effect. The only issue, which has been discussed on this
>> group prior, is that if you were to transfer the plate to a new
>> vehicle would the annual fee then commence. Some RTA staff say no,
>> some say yes and the others just give you a stare blank.
>>
>>
>> "DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
>> news:40fe4fba$0$29270$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> I'd say the RTA just have not updated the web site yet...
>>
>> I'm Glad I don't have to pay annually for my plates...of the form
>> XXNNNN
>>
>> DKGandBH
>>
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>>
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>> "Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:40fe4cef$0$18194$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> Yes but if you choose the letters like say JIM-001, yes it is a
>>> standard plate but with their new pricing system, if you choose
>>> what letters you get charged an annual fee.
>>>
>>> Did this on their site
>>> Vehicle type: Car/Light Truck
>>> Content: JIM095
>>> Content type: Personalised
>>> Style: White
>>> Cost: $50.00 ordering fee plus annual fee of $100.00
>>>
>>> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/myPlates/olpsChoosePlates.do?action=createNew
>>> if you want to have a look.
>>>
>>> Style and content fees
>>> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/numberplates/pricelist.html
>>>
>>> Looks like you can not personalise the Black/yellow ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
>>> news:40fe4a1d$0$29262$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> If they are the std number plates, then it would only be a 1 off
>>> fee. DKGandBH
>>>
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>>>
>>
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>>>
>>> "Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
>>> news:40fdee34$0$16108$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>>> Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now.
>>>> $50 upfront then a $100 annual fee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
>>>> news:2m65urFjbmifU1@uni-berlin.de...
>>>> Forg wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
>>>> will cost more. :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Take Care.
>>>> Feral

RodP wrote:
>> In article <2m62ahFiu7imU1@uni-berlin.de>, me@privacy.net says...
>>
>>> They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?
>>
>> Wasn't it 2050?
>>
>> Considering we have 3 letters, 2 numbers and a letter available, I'm
>> wondering why they've bothered with these new number plates?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rod.

MONEY of course.
Jock

I head Scully quoting similar figures on the news tonight.

How do you get 31 million?

I get 26 x 26 x 10 x 10 x 26 x 26 which equals almost 46 million combos.

Are they not going to isssue certain letters or numbers?

"Ken Oaf" <tipsy@beerlover.com.au> wrote in message
news:v58sf0h771qsob1sp5dmam653d0bgg100s@4ax.com...
> On 21 Jul 2004 02:22:11 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Just heard on the radio news that NSW have just announced that
> > they are releasing new standard issue number plates.
> >
> > Black on yellow plates.
> >
> > Letter, Letter, Number, Number, Letter, Letter.
> >
> > They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?
>
> The 31 million possible combinations will last until 2050
>
>

athol wrote:
....
 > Just heard on the radio news that NSW have
 > just announced that they are releasing new
 > standard issue number plates.
 >
 > Black on yellow plates.
 >
 > Letter, Letter, Number, Number, Letter, Letter.
....

*thinks about Stupid People, and how to get money out of them*
*calls RTA & reserves "SI11CK"*


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Forg wrote:
> athol wrote:
> ...
>  > Just heard on the radio news that NSW have
>  > just announced that they are releasing new
>  > standard issue number plates.
>  >
>  > Black on yellow plates.
>  >
>  > Letter, Letter, Number, Number, Letter, Letter.
> ...
>
> *thinks about Stupid People, and how to get money out of them*
> *calls RTA & reserves "SI11CK"*
>
>
Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
will cost more. :-)

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Feral

Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now. $50
upfront then a $100 annual fee.



"feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
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Forg wrote:

Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
will cost more. :-)

--
Take Care.
Feral

Jock wrote:
> Sounds like a revenuer's dream with the imaginations of the RI11CE r's going
> for it yet again.  Bob Carr, you are a marvel.
> SO11ID  for the GTHO owner, RR01ID for the Olympic athlete,   For the doofer
> DO00OF for the computing elite LE37ER  it goes on.,........
> Jock

How about FO00OL? :-)

On 21 Jul 2004 02:22:11 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> Just heard on the radio news that NSW have just announced that
> they are releasing new standard issue number plates.
>
> Black on yellow plates.
>
> Letter, Letter, Number, Number, Letter, Letter.
>
> They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?

The 31 million possible combinations will last until 2050

If they are the std number plates, then it would only be a 1 off fee.
DKGandBH

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"Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
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> Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now. $50
> upfront then a $100 annual fee.
>
>
>
> "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> news:2m65urFjbmifU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Forg wrote:
>
> Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
> will cost more. :-)
>
> --
> Take Care.
> Feral
>
>

Yes but if you choose the letters like say JIM-001, yes it is a standard
plate but with their new pricing system, if you choose what letters you get
charged an annual fee.

Did this on their site
Vehicle type: Car/Light Truck
Content: JIM095
Content type: Personalised
Style: White
Cost: $50.00 ordering fee plus annual fee of $100.00

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/myPlates/olpsChoosePlates.do?action=createNew if
you want to have a look.

Style and content fees
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/numberplates/pricelist.html

Looks like you can not personalise the Black/yellow ones.



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If they are the std number plates, then it would only be a 1 off fee.
DKGandBH

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"Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
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> Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now. $50
> upfront then a $100 annual fee.
>
>
>
> "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> news:2m65urFjbmifU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Forg wrote:
>
> Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
> will cost more. :-)
>
> --
> Take Care.
> Feral
>
>

I'd say the RTA just have not updated the web site yet...

I'm Glad I don't have to pay annually for my plates...of the form XXNNNN

DKGandBH

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"Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
news:40fe4cef$0$18194$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Yes but if you choose the letters like say JIM-001, yes it is a standard
> plate but with their new pricing system, if you choose what letters you
get
> charged an annual fee.
>
> Did this on their site
> Vehicle type: Car/Light Truck
> Content: JIM095
> Content type: Personalised
> Style: White
> Cost: $50.00 ordering fee plus annual fee of $100.00
>
> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/myPlates/olpsChoosePlates.do?action=createNew if
> you want to have a look.
>
> Style and content fees
> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/numberplates/pricelist.html
>
> Looks like you can not personalise the Black/yellow ones.
>
>
>
> "DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
> news:40fe4a1d$0$29262$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> If they are the std number plates, then it would only be a 1 off fee.
> DKGandBH
>
> --
> SPAM:
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=dkgandbh
>
> "Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
> news:40fdee34$0$16108$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now. $50
> > upfront then a $100 annual fee.
> >
> >
> >
> > "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> > news:2m65urFjbmifU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Forg wrote:
> >
> > Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
> > will cost more. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Take Care.
> > Feral
> >
> >
>
>

These fees are only about 1 year old. If you were to get the same plates
today there would be an annual fee. They are not going to charge any persons
with the annual fee before the new pricing system came into effect. The only
issue, which has been discussed on this group prior, is that if you were to
transfer the plate to a new vehicle would the annual fee then commence. Some
RTA staff say no, some say yes and the others just give you a stare blank.


"DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
news:40fe4fba$0$29270$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
I'd say the RTA just have not updated the web site yet...

I'm Glad I don't have to pay annually for my plates...of the form XXNNNN

DKGandBH

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"Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
news:40fe4cef$0$18194$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Yes but if you choose the letters like say JIM-001, yes it is a standard
> plate but with their new pricing system, if you choose what letters you
get
> charged an annual fee.
>
> Did this on their site
> Vehicle type: Car/Light Truck
> Content: JIM095
> Content type: Personalised
> Style: White
> Cost: $50.00 ordering fee plus annual fee of $100.00
>
> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/myPlates/olpsChoosePlates.do?action=createNew if
> you want to have a look.
>
> Style and content fees
> http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/numberplates/pricelist.html
>
> Looks like you can not personalise the Black/yellow ones.
>
>
>
> "DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
> news:40fe4a1d$0$29262$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> If they are the std number plates, then it would only be a 1 off fee.
> DKGandBH
>
> --
> SPAM:
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=dkgandbh
>
> "Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
> news:40fdee34$0$16108$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now. $50
> > upfront then a $100 annual fee.
> >
> >
> >
> > "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> > news:2m65urFjbmifU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Forg wrote:
> >
> > Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
> > will cost more. :-)
> >
> > --
> > Take Care.
> > Feral
> >
> >
>
>

I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
throughout the range ?

DKGandBH

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"Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
news:40fe527f$0$4754$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> These fees are only about 1 year old. If you were to get the same plates
> today there would be an annual fee. They are not going to charge any
persons
> with the annual fee before the new pricing system came into effect. The
only
> issue, which has been discussed on this group prior, is that if you were
to
> transfer the plate to a new vehicle would the annual fee then commence.
Some
> RTA staff say no, some say yes and the others just give you a stare blank.
>
>
> "DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
> news:40fe4fba$0$29270$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> I'd say the RTA just have not updated the web site yet...
>
> I'm Glad I don't have to pay annually for my plates...of the form XXNNNN
>
> DKGandBH
>
> --
> SPAM:
>
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>
> "Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
> news:40fe4cef$0$18194$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > Yes but if you choose the letters like say JIM-001, yes it is a standard
> > plate but with their new pricing system, if you choose what letters you
> get
> > charged an annual fee.
> >
> > Did this on their site
> > Vehicle type: Car/Light Truck
> > Content: JIM095
> > Content type: Personalised
> > Style: White
> > Cost: $50.00 ordering fee plus annual fee of $100.00
> >
> > http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/myPlates/olpsChoosePlates.do?action=createNew
if
> > you want to have a look.
> >
> > Style and content fees
> > http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/numberplates/pricelist.html
> >
> > Looks like you can not personalise the Black/yellow ones.
> >
> >
> >
> > "DKGandBH" <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote in message
> > news:40fe4a1d$0$29262$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> > If they are the std number plates, then it would only be a 1 off fee.
> > DKGandBH
> >
> > --
> > SPAM:
> >
>
http://cgi6.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=dkgandbh
> >
> > "Zeljko" <zeljko@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:40fdee34$0$16108$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > Probably the same as their "Semi-personalised" ones they have now. $50
> > > upfront then a $100 annual fee.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "feral" <plonked@home.ru> wrote in message
> > > news:2m65urFjbmifU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > > Forg wrote:
> > >
> > > Wonder what "PH00CK" will cost. I take it "special ones"
> > > will cost more. :-)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Take Care.
> > > Feral
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

"Dave W. @yourmail.org.au>" <wickhams-007<nospam> wrote in message
news:40fe5e42$1@news.velocitynet.com.au...
> I head Scully quoting similar figures on the news tonight.
>
> How do you get 31 million?
>
> I get 26 x 26 x 10 x 10 x 26 x 26 which equals almost 46 million combos.
>
> Are they not going to isssue certain letters or numbers?


wouldnt it be more like

26 x 26 x 99 x 99 x 26 x 26    -


Boc

"Ozboc" <Boc@your_undies_smell.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dave W. @yourmail.org.au>" <wickhams-007<nospam> wrote in message
> news:40fe5e42$1@news.velocitynet.com.au...
> > I head Scully quoting similar figures on the news tonight.
> >
> > How do you get 31 million?
> >
> > I get 26 x 26 x 10 x 10 x 26 x 26 which equals almost 46 million combos.
> >
> > Are they not going to isssue certain letters or numbers?
>
>
> wouldnt it be more like
>
> 26 x 26 x 99 x 99 x 26 x 26    -
>
>
> Boc
>

Nope---just 2 single digit numbers in the middle.

DKGandBH
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"Ozboc" <Boc@your_undies_smell.com> wrote:
> "Dave W. @yourmail.org.au>" <wickhams-007<nospam> wrote:
> > I get 26 x 26 x 10 x 10 x 26 x 26 which equals almost 46 million
combos.
>
> wouldnt it be more like
> 26 x 26 x 99 x 99 x 26 x 26    -
>
Only if there was four numbers in the middle (and 69 was banned)
Knob

My math skill may not be the best but your logic works except the 45.69
million odd combos includes all combinations including 1 to 5 digits and the
fact they do not have O or I as they get mixed up with 0 and 1 on the same
plate.So it would be 24x24x10x10x24x24 =  33.17 million minus (All the 1 to
5 combo's) 1.38 million. Leaves about 31.79 million. There could be other
combos they do not allow but nothing comes to mind.



"Dave W. @yourmail.org.au>" <wickhams-007<nospam> wrote in message
news:40fe5e42$1@news.velocitynet.com.au...
I head Scully quoting similar figures on the news tonight.

How do you get 31 million?

I get 26 x 26 x 10 x 10 x 26 x 26 which equals almost 46 million combos.

Are they not going to isssue certain letters or numbers?

"Ken Oaf" <tipsy@beerlover.com.au> wrote in message
news:v58sf0h771qsob1sp5dmam653d0bgg100s@4ax.com...
> On 21 Jul 2004 02:22:11 GMT, athol <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Just heard on the radio news that NSW have just announced that
> > they are releasing new standard issue number plates.
> >
> > Black on yellow plates.
> >
> > Letter, Letter, Number, Number, Letter, Letter.
> >
> > They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?
>
> The 31 million possible combinations will last until 2050
>
>

DKGandBH wrote:
> I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
> throughout the range ?

The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
use a particular number plate.

On behalf of the rest of us, they set out to make the best possible
return on the rights to special number plates. Be glad they had the
decency not to change the rules for people who already "owned" their
special number.

As a tax payer I have no problem with governments selling the right to
use a particular number for the best return they can get, just like any
commercial organisation sells their offerings for the best return.

That will give them about 4 billion combinations using the figures below.


"Ozboc" <Boc@your_undies_smell.com> wrote in message
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wouldnt it be more like

26 x 26 x 99 x 99 x 26 x 26    -


Boc

Sure,

But why is the price of the "service" they are selling after the number
plate has been made etc... different ?

Exactly the same process would be used to renew a $100 annual fee as it
would a $130 annual fee.

Just a question...not government bashing.
DKGandBH

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"Graham W" <zebedee@alphalink.commercial.au> wrote in message
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> DKGandBH wrote:
> > I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
> > throughout the range ?
>
> The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
> use a particular number plate.
>
> On behalf of the rest of us, they set out to make the best possible
> return on the rights to special number plates. Be glad they had the
> decency not to change the rules for people who already "owned" their
> special number.
>
> As a tax payer I have no problem with governments selling the right to
> use a particular number for the best return they can get, just like any
> commercial organisation sells their offerings for the best return.

DKGandBH wrote:
> Sure,
>
> But why is the price of the "service" they are selling after the number
> plate has been made etc... different ?
>
> Exactly the same process would be used to renew a $100 annual fee as it
> would a $130 annual fee.
>
> Just a question...not government bashing.

Because some people are prepared to pay more.

It's pretty standard marketing theory. Supply and demand for
personalised plates are both pretty elastic. Best price is largely about
what produces the best multiple of #customers x $fee. Charge more for
fancier numbers because people will willingly pay more.

And those of us who think the prices are more than the numbers are worth
chuckle to ourselves as the government makes money in voluntary fees
instead of taxes.

Graham W wrote:
> DKGandBH wrote:
>
>> I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
>> throughout the range ?
>
>
> The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
> use a particular number plate.

Exactly. That is why a new sequence is required. It opens up their
market for more personal plates. The current formats have been
done to death.

I don't think GovCo would be doing much business in new ones now,
they are all in the auto section of the newspaper for between $1K
and $10K.

> On behalf of the rest of us, they set out to make the best possible
> return on the rights to special number plates. Be glad they had the

Since the yearly fee came into effect, it is in their interests to
produce a new format. The timing of the two events is probably such
that would folk won't notice. Well, guess what? they did here.

> decency not to change the rules for people who already "owned" their
> special number.

Yup, otherwise I'd be dummy spitting. They have though done equally
evil things with land tax though.

you forgot CO00OL. I would personally like FK11NL.

Adam

"Jock" <the-nospam-bloke@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:AxpLc.9877$K53.1888@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> TO00OL as well :)
> Jock
> "Dirty Sanchez" <DS@nospam.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40fdff16$1@mail.netspeed.com.au...
> | Jock wrote:
> | > Sounds like a revenuer's dream with the imaginations of the RI11CE r's
> going
> | > for it yet again.  Bob Carr, you are a marvel.
> | > SO11ID  for the GTHO owner, RR01ID for the Olympic athlete,   For the
> doofer
> | > DO00OF for the computing elite LE37ER  it goes on.,........
> | > Jock
> |
> | How about FO00OL? :-)
>
>

Those slimlines plates look shithouse on cars with a provision for a larger
sized plate, but that is just my opinion...

Peter

"RodP" <rodp@hotmail.com.removethispart> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b68fcaddc0ccaeb98a253@news-server...
> In article <2m62ahFiu7imU1@uni-berlin.de>, me@privacy.net says...
>
> > They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?
>
> Wasn't it 2050?
>
> Considering we have 3 letters, 2 numbers and a letter available, I'm
> wondering why they've bothered with these new number plates?
>
> Cheers,
> Rod.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:43:56 +1000, Graham W
<zebedee@alphalink.commercial.au> wrote:

[snip]
> Be glad they had the
>decency not to change the rules for people who already "owned" their
>special number.

If they try that on, I'll not only be returning my current plates,
I'll be *regularly* going to the RTA to request new plates (that
particular "service" doesn't cost anything, BTW). They fuck with me, I
fuck with them - simple.

Neil
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Thundercords
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:34:56 +1000, Graham W
<zebedee@alphalink.commercial.au> wrote:

>DKGandBH wrote:
>> Sure,
>>
>> But why is the price of the "service" they are selling after the number
>> plate has been made etc... different ?
>>
>> Exactly the same process would be used to renew a $100 annual fee as it
>> would a $130 annual fee.
>>
>> Just a question...not government bashing.
>
>Because some people are prepared to pay more.

And I was under the impression that people who have a monopoly who do
things like that were seen as very, very bad by the ACCC.

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:14:13 +1000, "Peter" <peterb@idl.net.au> wrote:

> Those slimlines plates look shithouse on cars with a provision for a larger
> sized plate, but that is just my opinion...

Nearly as bad as the arse end of many 4WD vehicles that have 2 spaces for number
plates.

Neil Fisher wrote:
> And I was under the impression that people who have a monopoly who do
> things like that were seen as very, very bad by the ACCC.

/toby mode on

You might have a point there....

/toby mode off

DKGandBH <dkgandbh@froggy.com.au.removeme> wrote:
> I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
> throughout the range ?

because it can.



it doesnt seem fair...

The ACCC (federal regulator) normally requires  price of things  produced
by a monopoly to be reasonably related to be the cost of providing that thing.

However, the ACCC probably hasnt been allowed to attack State government
owned enterprises.

Graham W <zebedee@alphalink.commercial.au> wrote:
> DKGandBH wrote:
>> I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
>> throughout the range ?
>
> The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
> use a particular number plate.
>
> On behalf of the rest of us, they set out to make the best possible
> return on the rights to special number plates. Be glad they had the
> decency not to change the rules for people who already "owned" their
> special number.

You got that wrong. The important word you used was "owned"..
If you owned the plate, and the state government took it off you (or prevented you
using it only so they can charge  for you to use it) ,
then you would be due compensation....thats  common law, a principle of law
which not even state governments can legislate aganst.

They can try to legislate, but that legislation is routinely overriden  by
courts, which decide the principle of ownership isnt something that
legislation can alter.

> As a tax payer I have no problem with governments selling the right to
> use a particular number for the best return they can get, just like any
> commercial organisation sells their offerings for the best return.

Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
> Graham W wrote:
>> DKGandBH wrote:
>>
>>> I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
>>> throughout the range ?
>>
>>
>> The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
>> use a particular number plate.
>
> Exactly. That is why a new sequence is required. It opens up their
> market for more personal plates. The current formats have been
> done to death.

Nonsense.

The new sequence is for standard release, due to the
completion of the run of ABC-123 sequence.

If the NSW RTA just  wanted to sell more personalised plates,
they would make a new type of personaliased plate ONLY.

>  I don't think GovCo would be doing much business in new ones now,
> they are all in the auto section of the newspaper for between $1K
> and $10K.

The new ones arent transferrable ?


> Since the yearly fee came into effect, it is in their interests to
> produce a new format. The timing of the two events is probably such
> that would folk won't notice. Well, guess what? they did here.

TO explain a conspiracy, you also need to explain why the obvious (nonconspiracy)
 theory is wrong.. IE Can you explain what they were going to do with the current standard format ?
maybe invent a few new letters and numbers to put on ???

>> special number.
>
> Yup, otherwise I'd be dummy spitting. They have though done equally
> evil things with land tax though.

Ah, well yeah they can argue that if you cant afford to live there,
you can just rent it out, so land tax isnt really affecting your
right to own the land, also rates system set the precedent that you haved
to pay to own land....

Peter <peterb@idl.net.au> wrote:
> Those slimlines plates look shithouse on cars with a provision for a larger
> sized plate, but that is just my opinion...

They could just make the slimline plates the same size as the standard plates.
but I guess they consulted the cops, who want to be able to complete/correct
a plate that they havent read properly. Having the special format with far fewer
plates issued, they can more likely pick the correct vehicle.

> Peter
>
> "RodP" <rodp@hotmail.com.removethispart> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1b68fcaddc0ccaeb98a253@news-server...
>> In article <2m62ahFiu7imU1@uni-berlin.de>, me@privacy.net says...
>>
>> > They reckon that the numbering system should last until 2025?!?
>>
>> Wasn't it 2050?
>>
>> Considering we have 3 letters, 2 numbers and a letter available, I'm
>> wondering why they've bothered with these new number plates?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Rod.
>
>

The Government have a monopoly on a lot of things... :-(
DKGanDBH

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"Graham W" <zebedee@alphalink.commercial.au> wrote in message
news:41005ebe$1@news.alphalink.com.au...
> Neil Fisher wrote:
> > And I was under the impression that people who have a monopoly who do
> > things like that were seen as very, very bad by the ACCC.
>
> /toby mode on
>
> You might have a point there....
>
> /toby mode off

DKGandBH wrote:

> The Government have a monopoly on a lot of things... :-(
> DKGanDBH

One for Graham W. to ponder...

A problem I have with an ongoing fee for custom plates is the
content of the plate is the intellectual property of the
person who ordered it.

IOW the person that ordered it saved GovCo the effort of
managing/issuing/designing a plate sequence.

To be 100% correct here, the plates issued by GovCo using
their sequence should carry the $100 yearly fee (since the
plate user is displaying the intellectual property of GovCo,
and GovCo need to manage that sequence) whilst a personal
plate saves them all that effort.

The only thing that would have to remain as it is would be
the one off handling/stamping fee.

When you think about it - that could be a win-win for
GovCo and the general public.

> To be 100% correct here, the plates issued by GovCo using
> their sequence should carry the $100 yearly fee (since the
> plate user is displaying the intellectual property of GovCo,
> and GovCo need to manage that sequence) whilst a personal
> plate saves them all that effort.

They still need to keep track of the 1-off orders. So they don't get issued
multiple times.

But that shouldn't cost *that* much

DKGandBH

DKGandBH wrote:

>>To be 100% correct here, the plates issued by GovCo using
>>their sequence should carry the $100 yearly fee (since the
>>plate user is displaying the intellectual property of GovCo,
>>and GovCo need to manage that sequence) whilst a personal
>>plate saves them all that effort.
>
> They still need to keep track of the 1-off orders. So they don't get issued
> multiple times.
>
> But that shouldn't cost *that* much

They need to keep track of every plate. In the case I suggest
it would be covered under the mentioned handling/stamping
fee.

Of course, for those folk who rock up at the RTA wanting to
change rego into their name or rego a new vehicle there might
be a blank look.

"What plate do you want with that?"

"Ummm?"

"With a new vehicle we can issue you with a plate, it costs $50.
However if we provide the content of the plate there is a $5
yearly fee.

I see you wish to register a used vehicle in your name. The
plates were issued by us so there is a yearly fee of $5, or
design your own content and pay a once off of $50 for a new
plate"

..... Of course, the RTA would *NOT* provide a "$ set rego/generate"
type button on the counter ....

hubiack
explammy
indowsps
crylocon
sharesed

Choose a rego from this list, or press RETURN to get a new list

"Oh, OK leave it as it is".

Again - I think it would be a real win-win :-)

John Smith wrote:
> Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>
>>Graham W wrote:
>>
>>>DKGandBH wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
>>>>throughout the range ?
>>>
>>>The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
>>>use a particular number plate.
>>
>>Exactly. That is why a new sequence is required. It opens up their
>>market for more personal plates. The current formats have been
>>done to death.
>
> Nonsense.

Why?

> The new sequence is for standard release, due to the
> completion of the run of ABC-123 sequence.

And... please explain the meaning of any (NSW) sequence ????

UK have sequence. NSW has never had one. With the yellow
and black plates it's a best guess to the age of any given
plate in a sequence.

You thinking of some sort of "degree of separation" re: AAA NN A
vs: AAA NNN ?

> If the NSW RTA just  wanted to sell more personalised plates,
> they would make a new type of personaliased plate ONLY.

Ummm, they are already producing more styles (colour comes to
mind), not to mention all the legacy stuff. QLD are considering
styles I'd not even think of.

>> I don't think GovCo would be doing much business in new ones now,
>>they are all in the auto section of the newspaper for between $1K
>>and $10K.

> The new ones arent transferrable ?

Don't know. It would surprise me if they were not.

>>Since the yearly fee came into effect, it is in their interests to
>>produce a new format. The timing of the two events is probably such
>>that would folk won't notice. Well, guess what? they did here.
>
> TO explain a conspiracy, you also need to explain why the obvious (nonconspiracy)
> theory is wrong.. IE Can you explain what they were going to do with the current
 > standard format ?
> maybe invent a few new letters and numbers to put on ???

Nope. The format of the plate suggests combinations, such as YEL1OW,
ENJO1T, etc. This was a big consideration.

>>>special number.
>>
>>Yup, otherwise I'd be dummy spitting. They have though done equally
>>evil things with land tax though.
>
> Ah, well yeah they can argue that if you cant afford to live there,
> you can just rent it out, so land tax isnt really affecting your
> right to own the land, also rates system set the precedent that you haved
> to pay to own land....

Oh shite ... you are really _clueless_ on land tax. The fact that I pay
it is because we rent 1/2 of the $2.7M property out. The profit re land
tax will probably stop that in a number of years. It is currently on two
titles - we are thinking what will be on what if we _have_ to sell half
of it.

It really is only worth $75K. The rest is *bullshit* due to
overpopulation and greed. I live in it (can't sell and live in it at
the same time, and I might die before I sell it). So where does that
leave land tax ?

Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote:

You dont make any sense, and make no logical argument.

You winge about land tax .. My winge is that it isnt being used to build
public housing, to keep house prices down, which would keep land tax lower.


> Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Graham W wrote:
>>>
>>>>DKGandBH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I also don't get how the annual "book keeping" fee can be different
>>>>>throughout the range ?
>>>>
>>>>The government is selling a product to you. The product is the right to
>>>>use a particular number plate.
>>>
>>>Exactly. That is why a new sequence is required. It opens up their
>>>market for more personal plates. The current formats have been
>>>done to death.
>>
>> Nonsense.
>
> Why?
>
>> The new sequence is for standard release, due to the
>> completion of the run of ABC-123 sequence.
>
> And... please explain the meaning of any (NSW) sequence ????
>
> UK have sequence. NSW has never had one. With the yellow
> and black plates it's a best guess to the age of any given
> plate in a sequence.
>
> You thinking of some sort of "degree of separation" re: AAA NN A
> vs: AAA NNN ?
>
>> If the NSW RTA just  wanted to sell more personalised plates,
>> they would make a new type of personaliased plate ONLY.
>
> Ummm, they are already producing more styles (colour comes to
> mind), not to mention all the legacy stuff. QLD are considering
> styles I'd not even think of.
>
>>> I don't think GovCo would be doing much business in new ones now,
>>>they are all in the auto section of the newspaper for between $1K
>>>and $10K.
>
>> The new ones arent transferrable ?
>
> Don't know. It would surprise me if they were not.
>
>>>Since the yearly fee came into effect, it is in their interests to
>>>produce a new format. The timing of the two events is probably such
>>>that would folk won't notice. Well, guess what? they did here.
>>
>> TO explain a conspiracy, you also need to explain why the obvious (nonconspiracy)
>> theory is wrong.. IE Can you explain what they were going to do with the current
> > standard format ?
>> maybe invent a few new letters and numbers to put on ???
>
> Nope. The format of the plate suggests combinations, such as YEL1OW,
> ENJO1T, etc. This was a big consideration.
>
>>>>special number.
>>>
>>>Yup, otherwise I'd be dummy spitting. They have though done equally
>>>evil things with land tax though.
>>
>> Ah, well yeah they can argue that if you cant afford to live there,
>> you can just rent it out, so land tax isnt really affecting your
>> right to own the land, also rates system set the precedent that you haved
>> to pay to own land....
>
> Oh shite ... you are really _clueless_ on land tax. The fact that I pay
> it is because we rent 1/2 of the $2.7M property out. The profit re land
> tax will probably stop that in a number of years. It is currently on two
> titles - we are thinking what will be on what if we _have_ to sell half
> of it.
>
> It really is only worth $75K. The rest is *bullshit* due to
> overpopulation and greed. I live in it (can't sell and live in it at
> the same time, and I might die before I sell it). So where does that
> leave land tax ?

John Smith <Noemail@noemail.com> wrote:
> Patrick Young <patrick@hilux.ace.unsw.edu.au> wrote:

> You dont make any sense, and make no logical argument.

> You winge about land tax .. My winge is that it isnt being used to build
> public housing, to keep house prices down, which would keep land tax lower.

AFAIK, Patrick's parent's home is in an area that went from being normal
to being extremely snooty because of proximity to the ocean.  A house
that should, based upon its size, block size, etc. be worth about $75K
is now valued so high that it now attracts land tax.

This is similar to a number of elderly residents in Newcastle's
suburb Merewether, where the council changed the rates calculation such
that the elderly residents couldn't pay their rates on houses that they
had owned for 50+ years and were being forced to sell.

So, according to you, it is reasonable to change the circumstances
surrounding a person such that they are robbed of the home that they've
lived in for most of their life?

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