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Started by "Stewart"
Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:43
Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:43
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:43
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Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been able to install OE in W7?
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bruce Hagen"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:48
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express
> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are
> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been
> able to install OE in W7?
>
Outlook Express was a part of Internet Explorer 6 and that program is not
compatible with Win7.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bruce Hagen"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:50
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 10:50
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"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express
>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are
>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been
>> able to install OE in W7?
>>
>
> No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either.
I'm on a Win7 machine. Look at my message headers. <w>
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bruce Hagen"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:11
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"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
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>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:7q9imoFo3mU1@mid.individual.net...
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>>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express
>>>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are
>>>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone
>>>> been able to install OE in W7?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either.
>>
>>
>> I'm on a Win7 machine. Look at my message headers. <w>
>> --
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP [Mail]
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>
>
> Who would want to? Yes I have seen some kludgy work-arounds to enable WM
> but WLM is superior IMHO....
I am using it for news only. Like OE, it can check for new messages and
download them without having to Sync manually. Nice to be able to just
glance over and see if there are new messages. Can't do that with WLMail.
I don't understand why they did away with that.
Also, I don't care for the tiny little triangle to expand threads as
opposed to the larger + box.
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Mark F."
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:48
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Yes I am running it right now.. "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express > seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are > plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been > able to install OE in W7? >
Re: Windows Mail (Actually Windows Live Mail!)
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:18
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:18
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"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:hho5oc$mm4$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7q9j95FrjpU1@mid.individual.net... >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:hho4gh$l4r$1@speranza.aioe.org... >>> >>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:7q9imoFo3mU1@mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook >>>>> Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I >>>>> know there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs >>>>> available, but has anyone been able to install OE in W7? >>>>> >>>> >>>> No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either. >>> >>> >>> I'm on a Win7 machine. Look at my message headers. <w> >>> -- >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP [Mail] >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >> >> Who would want to? Yes I have seen some kludgy work-arounds to >> enable WM but WLM is superior IMHO.... > > > I am using it for news only. Like OE, it can check for new messages > and download them without having to Sync manually. Nice to be able > to just glance over and see if there are new messages. Can't do that > with WLMail. I don't understand why they did away with that. > > Also, I don't care for the tiny little triangle to expand threads as > opposed to the larger + box. > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA > Was there a DL for WM to install in W7? I really don't care for the WLM handling of newsgroups either (don't much care for the mail interface either)...
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Thip"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:48
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express > seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are > plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been > able to install OE in W7? You need to read the thread "Windows 7 email client." OE won't work in 7 but Windows Live Mail (not Windows Mail) is a viable alternative.
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Chris Sidener"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:59
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:59
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"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:hho4gh$l4r$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7q9imoFo3mU1@mid.individual.net... >> >> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express >>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are >>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been >>> able to install OE in W7? >>> >> >> No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either. > > > I'm on a Win7 machine. Look at my message headers. <w> And mine as well... Chris > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA >
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "FiOS-Dave"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:27
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Sure. Just run Windows XP in a Virtual Machine... Dave "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express > seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are > plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been > able to install OE in W7? >
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "WSZsr"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:37
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AMEN!! "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:7q9j95FrjpU1@mid.individual.net... >> > > Who would want to? Yes I have seen some kludgy work-arounds to enable WM > but WLM is superior IMHO....
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bruce Hagen"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:57
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:57
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"Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Roland Schweiger wrote:
>
>> YES you can install WINDOWS MAIL in Windows7.
>
> I for one would appreciate a more detailed guide as to exactly how to do
> this; I'm not getting on well with Live Mail at all.
>
> Bert
First, you need access to a Vista machine.
On the W7 machine, find the "Windows Mail" folder in Program Files. Rename
it to "OldWindows Mail" as a precaution.
Using a Flash or CD, copy the "Windows Mail" folder in its entirety from
the Vista machine.
Go back to the Win7 machine and copy the "Windows Mail" from the Flash or
CD to a location in Program Files.
Open it and right click on the WinMail.exe file and send a shortcut to the
Desktop. Done.
A few caveats: EML and NWS files will not open in WinMail, but rather
another e-mail client that you will need to have. WinMail also cannot be
made the default mail or news client.
See this as well:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bruce Hagen"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:14
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:14
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"Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Bruce,
>
> Many thanks for the detailed and speedy reply.
>
>> WinMail also cannot be made the default mail or news client.
>
> Oh, that's something of a pity; I was hoping that it could.
>
> I still might try it, but what I really hope is that someone comes up
> wth a third-part email and newsreader for Win7 that emulates the look
> and feel of Outlook Express.
>
> Bert
Have you tried Thunderbird? It's pretty darn close to OE. You can run it
alongside of WLMail to test it if you want to.
Set both programs to Leave a copy of messages on the server. Set one only
to Delete messages after X days.
Sent messages will only show in the e-mail program sent from, but both
will receive all messages.
Thunderbird:
http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird/
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Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:47
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:47
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express > seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are > plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been > able to install OE in W7? > No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either.
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:57
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:57
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"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:hho4gh$l4r$1@speranza.aioe.org... > > "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:7q9imoFo3mU1@mid.individual.net... >> >> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express >>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are >>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been >>> able to install OE in W7? >>> >> >> No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either. > > > I'm on a Win7 machine. Look at my message headers. <w> > -- > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP [Mail] > Imperial Beach, CA > Who would want to? Yes I have seen some kludgy work-arounds to enable WM but WLM is superior IMHO....
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Roland Schweige
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:51
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:51
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"Gordon" > No. Neither can you install Windows Mail either. YES you can install WINDOWS MAIL in Windows7. You need to copy the files winmail.exe msoe.dll from a Windows Vista machine. (be careful there are 32bin and 64bit versions) Then paste to appropriate directory on Win7. But first you must grant yourself full access to the directories and delete the old files on win7. It works, i have it running myself. greetings Roland Schweiger
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Isaak"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:34
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 22:34
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Your headers indicate you're using Windows Mail, not Outlook Express. In news:hhobem$ji0$1@news.eternal-september.org, Mark F. <m.flo@gte.net> typed: > Yes I am running it right now.. > > > > > > "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express >> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are >> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone >> been able to install OE in W7?
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:56
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:56
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Roland Schweiger wrote: > YES you can install WINDOWS MAIL in Windows7. I for one would appreciate a more detailed guide as to exactly how to do this; I'm not getting on well with Live Mail at all. Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:04
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Bruce, Many thanks for the detailed and speedy reply. > WinMail also cannot be made the default mail or news client. Oh, that's something of a pity; I was hoping that it could. I still might try it, but what I really hope is that someone comes up wth a third-part email and newsreader for Win7 that emulates the look and feel of Outlook Express. Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Roland Schweige
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:43
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"Bruce Hagen" > A few caveats: EML and NWS files will not open in WinMail, but rather > another e-mail client that you will need to have. WinMail also cannot be > made the default mail or news client. There are .reg files that will import part of Windows Vista's registry into Win7 so that you can make WinMail the default program and so that it will also open .eml files and behave as standard eMail client (i.e. it will open a mailto:someone@nobody.nw link on a website). These don't however behave correctly on every setup, i managed it on a win7 x86 and win7 x64 machine (both ultimate). Also if you use a different language than English (in my case it is German), you must copy the language files too, when exporting from the original vista directory, in my case the subdirectory was DE-de Generally i also join the opinion that OutlookExpress was a better piece of software than many people said, and that WinMail is easier to use than WLM. However, we will not be able to use these tweeks forever. The Spam filter no longer works, also the orthography check will not work. There are no more updates and so on. WLM is getting better but for the moment i do prefer WinMail. By the way - the Windows Calendar from Windows Vista can also be exported and run easily in Win7. greetings from Dresden. Roland Schweiger
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:15
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"Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message news:SsCdnUB_1-hC5t3WnZ2dnUVZ7vednZ2d@brightview.co.uk... > Ann wrote: > >> Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should >> make winmail >> your default email client ... > > Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a Vista > installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I wonder if > there's a way of extracting the Mail program without doing a full > install? I must check around. > > Bert > > In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files from the install disk libraries from the command line. I believe it was the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open up a command prompt and type it in with a /? to get a list of the options and syntax. You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the compressed library files. Not sure if this is still the case (again, older versions of windows).
Re: Windows Mail
Author: Roy Smith
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 06:57
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 06:57
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On 1/3/2010 5:11 AM, Bert Coules wrote: > Bruce Hagen wrote: > >> Have you tried Thunderbird? > > I insalled it but it got itself into terminal knots with its attempted > auto-setup of my email accounts, then - without asking if I wanted it to > or not - set itself as my default mail program. These two things were > enough to make me dislike it even before I'd tried it, so I uninstalled > it. Perhaps I should give it another go. Is there a way of avoiding the > auto-setup and doing things manually? Yes there is. When the account wizard starts up, go ahead and enter your name email address and password then click on next. After the wizard comes up with what it thinks your account settings should be, you should also see a button in the lower left corner of the window to manually edit the settings. Roy Smith Windows 7 Timestamp: Sunday, January 03, 2010 6:57:51 AM
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:11
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Bruce Hagen wrote: > Have you tried Thunderbird? I insalled it but it got itself into terminal knots with its attempted auto-setup of my email accounts, then - without asking if I wanted it to or not - set itself as my default mail program. These two things were enough to make me dislike it even before I'd tried it, so I uninstalled it. Perhaps I should give it another go. Is there a way of avoiding the auto-setup and doing things manually? Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:13
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Ann wrote: > Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should make > winmail > your default email client ... Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a Vista installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I wonder if there's a way of extracting the Mail program without doing a full install? I must check around. Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 12:25
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"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message news:7qc420Fq31U5@mid.individual.net... > > > "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook >> Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know >> there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but >> has anyone been able to install OE in W7? > > I have given up:( I am using the default mail. I am getting used to > it but it wasn't easy. > > > > -- > https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so many people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and placement of commands and options. Efficiencies went out the door.....
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Ann"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:12
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"Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message news:566dnW9515aVQqLWnZ2dnUVZ7sydnZ2d@brightview.co.uk... Bruce, Many thanks for the detailed and speedy reply. > WinMail also cannot be made the default mail or news client. Oh, that's something of a pity; I was hoping that it could. I still might try it, but what I really hope is that someone comes up wth a third-part email and newsreader for Win7 that emulates the look and feel of Outlook Express. Bert Hi Bert ..... Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should make winmail your default email client ... http://www.sevenforums.com/software/2300-cant-make-windows-mail-default-5.html Ann
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:16
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Roy Smith wrote: > Yes there is. When the account wizard starts up... Thanks very much for that, Roy. Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Ophelia"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 17:27
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express > seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are > plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been > able to install OE in W7? I have given up:( I am using the default mail. I am getting used to it but it wasn't easy. -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:35
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Stewart wrot: > In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files > from the install disk libraries from the command line. Thanks for that. Now that you mention it, I seem to remember once having a third party Cabinet Viewer utility which listed the contents of compressed-file folders without having to extract them first. Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Dave-UK"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:50
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:50
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"Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message news:-4KdnVVYD9buft3WnZ2dnUVZ7oadnZ2d@brightview.co.uk... > Stewart wrot: > >> In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files from the install disk >> libraries from the command line. > > Thanks for that. Now that you mention it, I seem to remember once having a third party Cabinet > Viewer utility which listed the contents of compressed-file folders without having to extract them > first. > > Bert > > Starting with Vista, Microsoft changed the way files are installed during Windows setup. The Vista install DVD has no compressed program files or cabinet archives but has image files of an installation. These have a .wim extension (Windows Image). The two main install files are Boot.wim and Install.wim. To extract files from a wim file you can use 7-Zip: http://www.7-zip.org/ This free program will read a wim file and allow you to copy individual files. The Windows Mail folder is in Install.wim, under Program Files.
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bert Coules"
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 23:12
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Dave-UK wrote: > The Vista install DVD has no compressed program files or cabinet archives > but has image > files of an installation. Again, thanks. I'll give it a go. Bert
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:30
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:30
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"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message news:7qdqpeFb31U3@mid.individual.net... > > > "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hhqug0$fg8$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message >> news:7qc420Fq31U5@mid.individual.net... >>> >>> >>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook >>>> Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I >>>> know there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, >>>> but has anyone been able to install OE in W7? >>> >>> I have given up:( I am using the default mail. I am getting used >>> to it but it wasn't easy. >> Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so >> many people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and >> placement of commands and options. >> >> Efficiencies went out the door..... > > I am using Office 2000. Too many changes are just not good > yannow:)) > -- > https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Yeah, the human mind is a lot like a computer....after a certain age the buffer tends to overflow.
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:31
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 05:31
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"Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hhsnm3$amc$1@news.eternal-september.org... > "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hhq5a1$160$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:SsCdnUB_1-hC5t3WnZ2dnUVZ7vednZ2d@brightview.co.uk... >>> Ann wrote: >>> >>>> Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should >>>> make winmail >>>> your default email client ... >>> >>> Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a >>> Vista installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I >>> wonder if there's a way of extracting the Mail program without >>> doing a full install? I must check around. >>> >> >> In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed >> files from the install disk libraries from the command line. I >> believe it was the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open >> up a command prompt and type it in with a /? to get a list of the >> options and syntax. >> >> You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the >> compressed library files. Not sure if this is still the case >> (again, older versions of windows). > > > With the newer OS installers from MS, it's an image file that can be > mounted to a folder with IMAGEX.EXE. Now you can browse the folder > structure within the image and copy files out. > Thanks for the tip. It may be useful for me at some point (if my personal buffer hasn't overflowed, that is)....
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Seth"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 07:41
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hhq5a1$160$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message > news:SsCdnUB_1-hC5t3WnZ2dnUVZ7vednZ2d@brightview.co.uk... >> Ann wrote: >> >>> Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should make >>> winmail >>> your default email client ... >> >> Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a Vista >> installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I wonder if >> there's a way of extracting the Mail program without doing a full >> install? I must check around. >> > > In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files > from the install disk libraries from the command line. I believe it was > the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open up a command prompt > and type it in with a /? to get a list of the options and syntax. > > You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the compressed > library files. Not sure if this is still the case (again, older versions > of windows). With the newer OS installers from MS, it's an image file that can be mounted to a folder with IMAGEX.EXE. Now you can browse the folder structure within the image and copy files out.
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Ophelia"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 09:25
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hhqug0$fg8$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message > news:7qc420Fq31U5@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express >>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are >>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been >>> able to install OE in W7? >> >> I have given up:( I am using the default mail. I am getting used to it >> but it wasn't easy. > Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so many > people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and placement of > commands and options. > > Efficiencies went out the door..... I am using Office 2000. Too many changes are just not good yannow:)) -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Ophelia"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:03
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:03
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hhsqhl$ov4$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message > news:7qdqpeFb31U3@mid.individual.net... >> >> >> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hhqug0$fg8$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message >>> news:7qc420Fq31U5@mid.individual.net... >>>> >>>> >>>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express >>>>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are >>>>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been >>>>> able to install OE in W7? >>>> >>>> I have given up:( I am using the default mail. I am getting used to it >>>> but it wasn't easy. >>> Same thing when they changed everything in Office 2007, after so many >>> people had grown so accustomed to the original interface and placement >>> of commands and options. >>> >>> Efficiencies went out the door..... >> >> I am using Office 2000. Too many changes are just not good yannow:)) > Yeah, the human mind is a lot like a computer....after a certain age the > buffer tends to overflow. lol indeed:) -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Ophelia"
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:03
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 14:03
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hhsqk3$peq$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:hhsnm3$amc$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hhq5a1$160$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> >>> "Bert Coules" <mal@bertcoules.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:SsCdnUB_1-hC5t3WnZ2dnUVZ7vednZ2d@brightview.co.uk... >>>> Ann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Check here for 2 files you can download and apply, which should make >>>>> winmail >>>>> your default email client ... >>>> >>>> Ah, thanks very much for that. At the moment, though I have a Vista >>>> installation disk, it's not installed on any of my PCs. I wonder if >>>> there's a way of extracting the Mail program without doing a full >>>> install? I must check around. >>>> >>> >>> In older Win versions, you used to be able to extract compressed files >>> from the install disk libraries from the command line. I believe it was >>> the expand command (it's been awhile). You can open up a command prompt >>> and type it in with a /? to get a list of the options and syntax. >>> >>> You used to be able to use windows explorer to look at the compressed >>> library files. Not sure if this is still the case (again, older >>> versions of windows). >> >> >> With the newer OS installers from MS, it's an image file that can be >> mounted to a folder with IMAGEX.EXE. Now you can browse the folder >> structure within the image and copy files out. >> > > Thanks for the tip. It may be useful for me at some point (if my personal > buffer hasn't overflowed, that is).... Yep! Gotta keep them there personal buffers from overflowing... -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Bruce Hagen"
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:01
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:01
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"The Central Scrutinizer" <gcisko@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hi17um$u9b$1@speranza.aioe.org...
> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hho5oc$mm4$1@speranza.aioe.org...
>> I am using it for news only. Like OE, it can check for new messages and
>> download them without having to Sync manually. Nice to be able to just
>> glance over and see if there are new messages. Can't do that with
>> WLMail. I don't understand why they did away with that.
>
> I do not sync manually. WLMail works just like OE only better as far as
> I can tell.
>
> --
> gcisko@hotmail.com
>
It is not the same.
If you use OE or WinMail for news, it can be set to download new messages
whenever check for new messages is set for. (5 minutes. 10 minutes. etc.).
With WLMail, you can do the same, but no newsgroup will show a new message
count, or turn BOLD until you physically go to that group.
IOW, if you're sitting on the couch and watching the monitor from a
distance waiting for a group to signify a new message has arrived, you are
going to be disappointed.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:37
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:37
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"The Central Scrutinizer" <gcisko@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hi17qi$u2e$1@speranza.aioe.org... > Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail. No matter what it's called, IMO it is terrible. > > -- > gcisko@hotmail.com > > "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook >> Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know >> there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but >> has anyone been able to install OE in W7? >>
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "The Central Scr
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:41
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:41
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Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail. -- gcisko@hotmail.com "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express > seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are > plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been > able to install OE in W7? >
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "The Central Scr
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:43
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:43
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"Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:hho5oc$mm4$1@speranza.aioe.org... > I am using it for news only. Like OE, it can check for new messages and > download them without having to Sync manually. Nice to be able to just > glance over and see if there are new messages. Can't do that with WLMail. > I don't understand why they did away with that. I do not sync manually. WLMail works just like OE only better as far as I can tell. -- gcisko@hotmail.com
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "R. C. White"
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 08:09
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Hi, Stewart. It's not a matter of "what it's called". Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail are entirely separate programs. Windows Mail is an integral part of Windows Vista - and isn't supported on any other Windows version. Windows Live Mail is NOT an integral part of ANY Windows version. But it can be downloaded (http://download.live.com ) and installed into any Windows version. (Well, any recent version; I don't know about Windows for Workgroups. ;^} ) Since Windows 7 does not include any mail or news client at all, we Win7 users are free to choose any such programs that we like, either from Microsoft or from third parties. The "path of least resistance" is to use WLM, it seems. That is what I use, largely because it seems much like a near-natural progression: MSIMN > OE through OE6 > WM > WLM > ?? While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.) like nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the next step in the evolution. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX rc@grandecom.net Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hi1b2l$7j2$1@news.eternal-september.org... > > "The Central Scrutinizer" <gcisko@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:hi17qi$u2e$1@speranza.aioe.org... >> Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail. > > No matter what it's called, IMO it is terrible. >> >> -- >> gcisko@hotmail.com >> >> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook Express >>> seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I know there are >>> plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, but has anyone been >>> able to install OE in W7?
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Stewart"
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:48
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:48
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"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message news:Ae-dncVpI_cwBNnWnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@posted.grandecom... > Hi, Stewart. > > It's not a matter of "what it's called". Windows Mail and Windows > Live Mail are entirely separate programs. Yes, I understand that. I just forgot to add the "live" part in my posts. > > Windows Mail is an integral part of Windows Vista - and isn't > supported on any other Windows version. > > Windows Live Mail is NOT an integral part of ANY Windows version. > But it can be downloaded (http://download.live.com ) and installed > into any Windows version. (Well, any recent version; I don't know > about Windows for Workgroups. ;^} ) > > Since Windows 7 does not include any mail or news client at all, we > Win7 users are free to choose any such programs that we like, either > from Microsoft or from third parties. The "path of least > resistance" is to use WLM, it seems. That is what I use, largely > because it seems much like a near-natural progression: MSIMN > OE > through OE6 > WM > WLM > ?? > I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very familiar with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of supplying a version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change of the HI in office 2007 without allowing the user to revert back to the original HI. It automatically made most users less efficient. > While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.) > like nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the > next step in the evolution. Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others, and many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer much more than any other. But I will keep trying. > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > rc@grandecom.net > Microsoft Windows MVP > Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 > > "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:hi1b2l$7j2$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "The Central Scrutinizer" <gcisko@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hi17qi$u2e$1@speranza.aioe.org... >>> Use Windows Live mail. It is not windows mail. >> >> No matter what it's called, IMO it is terrible. >>> >>> -- >>> gcisko@hotmail.com >>> >>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:hho451$i2m$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>>> Windows Mail sure seems like a kludge of a program. Outlook >>>> Express seemed to be much better/faster/more configurable. I >>>> know there are plenty of other 3rd party mail programs available, >>>> but has anyone been able to install OE in W7? >
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Ophelia"
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:30
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:30
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"Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote in message news:hi3li7$a5h$1@news.eternal-september.org... > I actually prefer OE. I used it for a long time, and was very familiar > with navigating with it. What would have been the harm of supplying a > version of it for Win 7? Just like the decided change of the HI in office > 2007 without allowing the user to revert back to the original HI. It > automatically made most users less efficient. Hear! hear! >> While I have my gripes about WLM (pastel UI, hidden Menu Bar, etc.) like >> nearly every other user, I'm mostly happy with it - until the next step >> in the evolution. > Well, I use it grudgingly at the moment. I've tried a few others, and > many have good features, but I have not found one that I prefer much more > than any other. But I will keep trying. I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr We ARE the customers here!!! -- -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/
Re: Windows Mail
Author: "Gordon"
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:01
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"Ophelia" <Ophelia@Elsinore.me.uk> wrote in message news:7qme1fFfv2U3@mid.individual.net... > I know just what you mean. I really, really, really object to being > dictated to about what I am allowed to have... grrrrrrrrrrrrr > We ARE the customers here!!! So you think that by using the built-in mail client that MS decided to include that you are NOT being dictated to? Sheeeesh - I wouldn't want to know when you ARE being dictated to! The whole point of NOT having an email client in Windows 7 is PERSONAL CHOICE!!!!!!! There are at LEAST half a dozen free email clients out there that YOU can choose from - or are you SO used to accepting blindly what MS provides that you are incapable of making any choices any more?
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