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In article <Xns9CF3A459D9F03Cotd@216.196.97.131>
Andy <a@b.c> wrote:

>I'm not interested in Linux. Other than it's quick.

It is quick like any other OS, including Windows when it is still fresh.
Once you install your own software, updates, and start using it
seriously, it starts to slow down.

In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net>
ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>
>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>> that.
>>
>>
>> KenW
>
>Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your point?

Where did you get that number from?
There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.

Ken1943                     <kenw@no295no.net> wrote:

> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server.
> Bin there done that.
>
>
> KenW


Funny you said that.

I just bumped into Linux on my VAIO. The VAIO has a WEB button that runs
a splashTop web browser when pressed when the computer is off, without
loading Win7 64. It runs on Linux that is either on the motherboard or
bios or somewhere immediately loads a web browser is based on the Mozilla
browser.

It also has a few other web apps, Skype, IM support, email, and photo
manager.

I'm not interested in Linux. Other than it's quick.

I was just surprised Sony would think to put a Linux OS on board for this
purpose.

Visit: http://www.splashtop.com/faq.php if you're curious.

Andy

ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:01:14 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9CF3A459D9F03Cotd@216.196.97.131> Andy <a@b.c> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not interested in Linux. Other than it's quick.
>>
>> It is quick like any other OS, including Windows when it is still
fresh.
>> Once you install your own software, updates, and start using it
>> seriously, it starts to slow down.
>
> Ah - I see you've not used Linux. That simply does not happen.


Visit: http://www.splashtop.com/ and scroll down, click on the "See for
yourself" button and watch the video.

I incorrectly conveyed what I meant by "quick."

Andy

ray wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>
>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> KenW
>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>> point?
>> Where did you get that number from?
>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>
> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>
> MAC for graphics
> Linux for desktop and servers
> MS for games

Seriously out-dated information.
Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.

ray wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>>> done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KenW
>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>> point?
>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>
>>> MAC for graphics
>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>> MS for games
>> Seriously out-dated information.
>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>
> You're right.

Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.

  Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.

Who cares?

In article <7q7d8iFni2U12@mid.individual.net>, ray@zianet.com says...
>
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:01:14 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>
> > In article <Xns9CF3A459D9F03Cotd@216.196.97.131> Andy <a@b.c> wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not interested in Linux. Other than it's quick.
> >
> > It is quick like any other OS, including Windows when it is still fresh.
> > Once you install your own software, updates, and start using it
> > seriously, it starts to slow down.
>
> Ah - I see you've not used Linux. That simply does not happen.

Been running Linux since the first days of AIX and RH and the first few
version as well as the latest of Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandrake, etc....

Linux is not faster when you have a GUI, it does get bogged down, and
support for the newest hardware is a real bitch. While I have several
Fedora Core system, I happen to "Like" using XP Pro and Win 7 x64 more
than any of the linux versions from any vendor - I do not experiene the
"slow down" on my win boxes because I keep them clean.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

Ken1943 wrote:
> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server.
> Bin there done that.
>
>
> KenW


First off, "Been there done that" makes more sense. Second, I call BS on
your assessment. One can do MANY useful things within Linux other than
"email, browser or server." I say you are either a winders zealot, or
are lying about having used Linux further than installing/uninstalling
in an hour or so, or both. Sure if you are a, (brain-dead), gamer, then
  yeah, dual boot a Windows flavor for SOME gaming, otherwise, the
"general" user can do just about what they want/need in Linux.. No Ms
Windows needed. I use both for different needs and get the best of BOTH
worlds. This bit of only advocating one or the other crap cracks me up.
..Only shows one or the others' ignorance.

G'day

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:

> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
> that.
>
>
> KenW

Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your point?

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:01:14 -0800, No Spam wrote:

> In article <Xns9CF3A459D9F03Cotd@216.196.97.131> Andy <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>>I'm not interested in Linux. Other than it's quick.
>
> It is quick like any other OS, including Windows when it is still fresh.
> Once you install your own software, updates, and start using it
> seriously, it starts to slow down.

Ah - I see you've not used Linux. That simply does not happen.

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:

> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>
>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>> KenW
>>
>>Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>point?
>
> Where did you get that number from?
> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.

Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:

MAC for graphics
Linux for desktop and servers
MS for games

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>
>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>> done that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> KenW
>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>> point?
>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>
>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>
>> MAC for graphics
>> Linux for desktop and servers
>> MS for games
>
> Seriously out-dated information.
> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.

You're right. Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.

My rule of computing?

"If I can compute easier on a piano, I'll use a piano!!!"
--Andy

ray wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>>>>> done that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>>>> point?
>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>
>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>> MS for games
>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>> You're right.
>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>
>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.

Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.

Who cares? - I
> didn't start the thread.

So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a linux
advocate...a troll.

Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:

> Typing late at night must irritate the family.


What? You can't tell time?

Poor kid.

Andy

ray wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>> You're right.
>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>
>>>> Who cares?
>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>
>> Who cares? - I
>>> didn't start the thread.
>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a linux
>> advocate...a troll.
>
> Just to counter your lies.

Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR!
Oops!

ray wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:15:57 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray
>>>>>>>>>> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>>>> You're right.
>>>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>>>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Who cares? - I
>>>>> didn't start the thread.
>>>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a
>>>> linux advocate...a troll.
>>> Just to counter your lies.
>> Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
>> advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR! Oops!
>
> You spread the FUD, frankie baby, not me.

That is a lie.

I'm just here to correct your
> invalid assertions.

That is another lie.

  Have a good day, frankie.

Don't worry LIAR, I'm having a WONDERFUL day here in sunny SoCal!
Oops!

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:54:25 -0700, Muad'Dib wrote:

> I use both for different needs and get the best of BOTH worlds. This bit
> of only advocating one or the other crap cracks me up. ..Only shows one
> or the others' ignorance.

apps tell the tale. if something is missing in Windows (or Linux), then
you use the operating system which can run the app (or install a VM, if
possible).

but this doesn't mean I can't 'only' advocate one system. it just means I
have to be honest about its limitations.

but I kick myself for giving into the temptation: I shouldn't be adding
to this thread as it is part of the incursion of unproductive 'advocacy'
that this group had been, for a short while, free of.

Felmon

"Muad'Dib" <idaspud52@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4B3EC371.7050607@nospamhotmail.com...

> I use both for different needs and get the best of BOTH worlds. This bit
> of only advocating one or the other crap cracks me up. ..Only shows one or
> the others' ignorance.

Quite agree. I wish some of the hysterically-ignorant users on BOTH sides
would take a leaf out of your book.

In article <7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net>
ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>
>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> KenW
>>>
>>>Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>point?
>>
>> Where did you get that number from?
>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>
>Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>
>MAC for graphics

That's no longer Mac's domain.
In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
willing to spend more.


>Linux for desktop and servers

Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.

>MS for games

And consoles.

No Spam wrote:
> In article <7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net>
> ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>
>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> KenW
>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>> point?
>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>
>> MAC for graphics
>
> That's no longer Mac's domain.
> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
> willing to spend more.
>
>
>> Linux for desktop and servers
>
> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>
>> MS for games
>
> And consoles.

ray is a FUD spreader.

On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>>>> done that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>>> point?
>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>
>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>> MS for games
>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>
>> You're right.
>
> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>
>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>
> Who cares?

Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned. Who cares? - I
didn't start the thread.

On 02/01/2010 3:14 PM, No Spam wrote:
> In article<7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net>
> ray<ray@zianet.com>  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>
>>> In article<7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net>  ray<ray@zianet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> KenW
>>>>
>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>> point?
>>>
>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>
>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>
>> MAC for graphics
>
> That's no longer Mac's domain.
> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
> willing to spend more.

Probably because Macs are technically superior to MS PCs in about every
aspect.  But don't own one personally because of it.  I buy a PC and
dual boot it with a Linux added.

But do admit, the cost of Macs is a serious impediment to their
acceptance.  In fact, about the only valid criticism from MS cheap seats
there is.

>> Linux for desktop and servers
>
> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.

Depends what you use them for, since I use Solaris, Linux, XP, Vista and
OpenBSD, I would say use the right took for the right job.

I find loading up older PCs with TB sized disks, Samba and Linux, they
make excellent storage farms to A/V, music and abckups.  One huge
advantage is a Linux/Samba server is faster than a MS Windows server for
file retrieval, storage and network copy.  And when I backup one system
to another, a Linux to Linux copy goes real fast compared to MS Windows
to MS Windows.

Andy wrote:

> My rule of computing?
>
> "If I can compute easier on a piano, I'll use a piano!!!"
> --Andy

Typing late at night must irritate the family.

--

Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

Andy wrote:

> Death <death@rottingcorpses.x-x> wrote:
>
>> Typing late at night must irritate the family.
>
>
> What? You can't tell time?
>
> Poor kid.
>

No, you dummy.
Typing on your Piano PC keys.
You probably have never seen a real piano.

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>> You're right.
>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>
>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>
>>> Who cares?
>>
>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>
> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>
> Who cares? - I
>> didn't start the thread.
>
> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a linux
> advocate...a troll.

Just to counter your lies.

In article <7qa1orFc51U1@mid.individual.net>
"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
>>
>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>>
>
>And your reasoning for that is?

I don't see the ease of use like Windows and (ahem) Mac.
I don't see COMMERCIAL hardware and software support like Windows and
Mac.
I don't see drivers as much as Windows and Mac.
I don't see industry standard software.
Etc.

In article <HlQ%m.1438$Wl3.1243@newsfe11.iad>
Canuck57 <Canuck57@nospam.com> wrote:

>On 02/01/2010 3:14 PM, No Spam wrote:
>> In article<7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net>
>> ray<ray@zianet.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net>  ray<ray@zianet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>
>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>> point?
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>
>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>
>>> MAC for graphics
>>
>> That's no longer Mac's domain.
>> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
>> willing to spend more.
>
>Probably because Macs are technically superior to MS PCs in about every
>aspect.

Like what, exactly?
Mac use same hardware that PCs use today, I am not sure that you are
aware of this, if you claim that they are superior.

Mac software come way behind their Windows version, that is if they even
do a Mac version.

Technologies on Mac come late and have different name with a higher
price tag.
For example, Apple calls its time machine a technology while other OSes
had that for years and for free.

And the list goes on.

>But don't own one personally because of it.  I buy a PC and
>dual boot it with a Linux added.
>

My guess is that you haven't used a Mac for an extended time or for
living.
I use them, have one at home, and support them at work.
Sorry, I am not impressed at all.
Apple took a rock solid Unix core and turned it into an almost useless
insecure OS.

>But do admit, the cost of Macs is a serious impediment to their
>acceptance.  In fact, about the only valid criticism from MS cheap seats
>there is.
>

Not only the price is better, the hardware is the same, it is more
supported on Windows, the technologies come first on Windows, the
drivers are everywhere, the software come first on Windows and Mac users
have to wait or get a crippled version, ...etc.


>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>
>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>
>Depends what you use them for, since I use Solaris, Linux, XP, Vista and
>OpenBSD, I would say use the right took for the right job.
>

I agree on this.

>I find loading up older PCs with TB sized disks, Samba and Linux, they
>make excellent storage farms to A/V, music and abckups.  One huge
>advantage is a Linux/Samba server is faster than a MS Windows server for
>file retrieval, storage and network copy.  And when I backup one system
>to another, a Linux to Linux copy goes real fast compared to MS Windows
>to MS Windows.

Like I said, for servers, I can't argue Linux value and performance, but
for desktop, I use it just out of curiosity and to keep up with the
technologies.

In article <MPG.25a9f24eae1367e4989b0f@news.eternal-september.org>
Conor <conor@gmx.co.uk> wrote:

>In article <HlQ%m.1438$Wl3.1243@newsfe11.iad>, Canuck57 says...
>> Probably because Macs are technically superior to MS PCs in about
>every
>> aspect.
>
>Is that why they gave up on PPC and moved to Wintel?

You beat me to this. :-)

In article <7qa2dcFni2U23@mid.individual.net>
ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:14:07 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>
>> In article <7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>>> done that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>
>>>>>Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>>point?
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>
>>>Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>
>>>MAC for graphics
>>
>> That's no longer Mac's domain.
>> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
>> willing to spend more.
>>
>
>Is there a particular part of 'old' you don't understand?
>

I am just making sure that you don't believe you own words. ;-)

>>
>>>Linux for desktop and servers
>>
>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>
>I big to differ.
>

Sure, you are entitled to you opinion, and so is everyone.
Linux desktop if was as good as Windows, you'd have seen it take over or
at least compete or put up a fight.
It is not, that's harsh reality.

I like Linux over Windows, being in the IT business but I have to be
realistic also.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:15:57 -0800, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray
>>>>>>>>> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>>> You're right.
>>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares?
>>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>>
>>> Who cares? - I
>>>> didn't start the thread.
>>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a
>>> linux advocate...a troll.
>>
>> Just to counter your lies.
>
> Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
> advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR! Oops!

You spread the FUD, frankie baby, not me. I'm just here to correct your
invalid assertions. Have a good day, frankie.

Alias wrote:
> ray wrote:
>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:15:57 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray
>>>>>>>>>>> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>>>>> You're right.
>>>>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>>>>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares? - I
>>>>>> didn't start the thread.
>>>>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a
>>>>> linux advocate...a troll.
>>>> Just to counter your lies.
>>> Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
>>> advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR! Oops!
>>
>> You spread the FUD, frankie baby, not me. I'm just here to correct
>> your invalid assertions. Have a good day, frankie.
>
> The pathetic thing is he believes the FUD.
>
The pathetic thing is I'm using W 7 and you and your butt-buddy, ray the
lying asshole, aren't!
Talk about your FUD!
Oops!

Canuck57 wrote:
> On 02/01/2010 3:14 PM, No Spam wrote:
>> In article<7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net>
>> ray<ray@zianet.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net>  ray<ray@zianet.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>>> done
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>
>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>> point?
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>
>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>
>>> MAC for graphics
>>
>> That's no longer Mac's domain.
>> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
>> willing to spend more.
>
> Probably because Macs are technically superior to MS PCs in about every
> aspect.  But don't own one personally because of it.  I buy a PC and
> dual boot it with a Linux added.
>
> But do admit, the cost of Macs is a serious impediment to their
> acceptance.  In fact, about the only valid criticism from MS cheap seats
> there is.

IMO the other valid criticism about Macs is all of the DRM.

>
>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>
>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>
> Depends what you use them for, since I use Solaris, Linux, XP, Vista and
> OpenBSD, I would say use the right took for the right job.
>
> I find loading up older PCs with TB sized disks, Samba and Linux, they
> make excellent storage farms to A/V, music and abckups.  One huge
> advantage is a Linux/Samba server is faster than a MS Windows server for
> file retrieval, storage and network copy.  And when I backup one system
> to another, a Linux to Linux copy goes real fast compared to MS Windows
> to MS Windows.
>


--
"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?pC5&tag=nl.e101

"No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
>
> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>

And your reasoning for that is?

felmon wrote:

> but I kick myself for giving into the temptation: I shouldn't be adding
> to this thread as it is part of the incursion of unproductive 'advocacy'
> that this group had been, for a short while, free of.

Jumpin' in the sty, wrestlin' with the pigs. It's amazing how people
can't pass up a stray comment they disagree with. I guess that's whay
true believers are always the most dangerous.

--
Enkidu

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:14:07 -0800, No Spam wrote:

> In article <7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>
>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray <ray@zianet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>>>>> done that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> KenW
>>>>
>>>>Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>point?
>>>
>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>
>>Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>
>>MAC for graphics
>
> That's no longer Mac's domain.
> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
> willing to spend more.
>

Is there a particular part of 'old' you don't understand?

>
>>Linux for desktop and servers
>
> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.

I big to differ.

>
>>MS for games
>
> And consoles.

On  2-Jan-2010, Canuck57 <Canuck57@nospam.com> wrote:

> >>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
> >>>>> done that.

But at least it drives hardware both ancient and modern, something that
Windows lacks. Now if MS kicked Ballmer out, and produced a decent OS
with earler version driver compatibility, then they migh have a half decent
product. As it is most corporate clients are teed off with retraining for
each new half baked OS release.

ray wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:15:57 -0800, Frank wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray
>>>>>>>>>> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>>>> You're right.
>>>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>>>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Who cares? - I
>>>>> didn't start the thread.
>>>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a
>>>> linux advocate...a troll.
>>> Just to counter your lies.
>> Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
>> advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR! Oops!
>
> You spread the FUD, frankie baby, not me. I'm just here to correct your
> invalid assertions. Have a good day, frankie.

The pathetic thing is he believes the FUD.

--
Alias

In article <7qa1orFc51U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon says...
>
> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
> >
> > Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
> >
>
> And your reasoning for that is?

>From Linux Fest:

http://lunduke.com/?pB9

--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

In article <HlQ%m.1438$Wl3.1243@newsfe11.iad>, Canuck57 says...
> Probably because Macs are technically superior to MS PCs in about
every
> aspect.

Is that why they gave up on PPC and moved to Wintel?

--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

In article <%2R%m.39828$Gj2.32843@newsfe01.ams2>, Ato_Zee says...
>
> On  2-Jan-2010, Canuck57 <Canuck57@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
> > >>>>> done that.
>
> But at least it drives hardware both ancient and modern, something that
> Windows lacks.

People who use Windows can afford to buy hardware once every half
decade..

--
Conor
www.notebooks-r-us.co.uk

I'm not prejudiced. I hate everybody equally.

Conor wrote:

> In article <%2R%m.39828$Gj2.32843@newsfe01.ams2>, Ato_Zee says...
>>
>> On  2-Jan-2010, Canuck57 <Canuck57@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there
>> > >>>>> done that.
>>
>> But at least it drives hardware both ancient and modern, something that
>> Windows lacks.
>
> People who use Windows can afford to buy hardware once every half
> decade..

Which hardware? Why should you replace a working printer because you
ve replaced some other hardware or software? How about a scanner? A
monitor?

It's just stupid to accept replacing working hardware because you've
upgraded your OS or replaced your notebook. Of course, this isn't what
happens to most people, but it shouldn't happen to anyone. Microsoft
knows how to write drivers. So do major hardware suppliers. They
don't bother to do so.

--
Enkidu

Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:15:57 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>>>>>>> You're right.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>>>>>>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who cares? - I
>>>>>>>> didn't start the thread.
>>>>>>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a
>>>>>>> linux advocate...a troll.
>>>>>> Just to counter your lies.
>>>>> Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
>>>>> advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR!
>>>>> Oops!
>>>>
>>>> You spread the FUD, frankie baby, not me. I'm just here to correct
>>>> your invalid assertions. Have a good day, frankie.
>>>
>>> The pathetic thing is he believes the FUD.
>>>
>> The pathetic thing is I'm using W 7 and you and your butt-buddy, ray
>> the lying asshole, aren't!
>> Talk about your FUD!
>> Oops!
>
> More lies from the resident fool. I have W7 on another computer for
> gaming.

LIAR!

As it didn't come with a newsreader and I'm only using it for
> gaming, there was no need to install a newsreader for your pathetic
> benefit.

More lies!

  Devil May Cry 4 does rock on Windows 7, I must admit, but the
> rest is a amateurish copy of Ubuntu.

We all know you're an admitted LIAR, CHEAT, THIEF, ATHEIST and a real
POS asshole loser.
Oh and thanks for proving it in here every day...so far.
Oops!...LOL!

>

Gordon wrote:
>
> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:3h70k59lkrfok9r9g2fe7gjunfppkd9mmn@4ax.com...
>> In article <7qa1orFc51U1@mid.individual.net>
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And your reasoning for that is?
>>
>> I don't see the ease of use like Windows and (ahem) Mac.
>
> It's actually EASIER than Windows.
>
>
>> I don't see COMMERCIAL hardware and software support like Windows and
>> Mac.
>
> Pretty much getting there...
>
>
>> I don't see drivers as much as Windows and Mac.
>
> Most things don't NEED "drivers" - they just err work....
>
>> I don't see industry standard software.
>> Etc.
>
> Open Office, The Gimp, Firefox.....many others.
> Just because the label on the box says Microsoft does NOT make it
> "industry standard".

Sorry gordo...but it does.

Alias wrote:
> No Spam wrote:
>> In article <7qa1orFc51U1@mid.individual.net> "Gordon"
>> <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
>>>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>>>>
>>> And your reasoning for that is?
>>
>> I don't see the ease of use like Windows and (ahem) Mac.
>
> Then you've never used Ubuntu.
>
>> I don't see COMMERCIAL hardware and software support like Windows and
>> Mac.
>
> No, you see high quality open source software.
>
>> I don't see drivers as much as Windows and Mac.
>
> Neither Windows nor Mac are drivers and Ubuntu has no problem with
> hardware drivers.
>
>> I don't see industry standard software.
>> Etc.
>
> You're blind.
>
And you're nothing but a lying, cheating thieving POS asshole loser.
Nice combo huh cody?

On 02/01/2010 9:42 PM, No Spam wrote:
> In article<HlQ%m.1438$Wl3.1243@newsfe11.iad>
> Canuck57<Canuck57@nospam.com>  wrote:
>
>> On 02/01/2010 3:14 PM, No Spam wrote:
>>> In article<7q7kfcFni2U13@mid.individual.net>
>>> ray<ray@zianet.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article<7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net>   ray<ray@zianet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin there done
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is your
>>>>>> point?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>
>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>
>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>
>>> That's no longer Mac's domain.
>>> In fact, I don't see any practical use for Macs, except if you are
>>> willing to spend more.
>>
>> Probably because Macs are technically superior to MS PCs in about every
>> aspect.
>
> Like what, exactly?
> Mac use same hardware that PCs use today, I am not sure that you are
> aware of this, if you claim that they are superior.
>
> Mac software come way behind their Windows version, that is if they even
> do a Mac version.
>
> Technologies on Mac come late and have different name with a higher
> price tag.
> For example, Apple calls its time machine a technology while other OSes
> had that for years and for free.
>
> And the list goes on.
>
>> But don't own one personally because of it.  I buy a PC and
>> dual boot it with a Linux added.
>>
>
> My guess is that you haven't used a Mac for an extended time or for
> living.
> I use them, have one at home, and support them at work.
> Sorry, I am not impressed at all.
> Apple took a rock solid Unix core and turned it into an almost useless
> insecure OS.
>
>> But do admit, the cost of Macs is a serious impediment to their
>> acceptance.  In fact, about the only valid criticism from MS cheap seats
>> there is.
>>
>
> Not only the price is better, the hardware is the same, it is more
> supported on Windows, the technologies come first on Windows, the
> drivers are everywhere, the software come first on Windows and Mac users
> have to wait or get a crippled version, ...etc.
>
>
>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>
>>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>>
>> Depends what you use them for, since I use Solaris, Linux, XP, Vista and
>> OpenBSD, I would say use the right took for the right job.
>>
>
> I agree on this.
>
>> I find loading up older PCs with TB sized disks, Samba and Linux, they
>> make excellent storage farms to A/V, music and abckups.  One huge
>> advantage is a Linux/Samba server is faster than a MS Windows server for
>> file retrieval, storage and network copy.  And when I backup one system
>> to another, a Linux to Linux copy goes real fast compared to MS Windows
>> to MS Windows.
>
> Like I said, for servers, I can't argue Linux value and performance, but
> for desktop, I use it just out of curiosity and to keep up with the
> technologies.

If Macs were priced like PCs, Microsoft stock would crash in minutes of
such an announcement.

But for us mortals where money maters, PC with Linux isn't that bad.  It
has been getting consistantly better over the years and to this day even
Microsoft routinely borrows from Linux and FOSS.

That is, there isn't much in MS Windows that didn't exist as FOSS first.

"No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:3h70k59lkrfok9r9g2fe7gjunfppkd9mmn@4ax.com...
> In article <7qa1orFc51U1@mid.individual.net>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>>>
>>
>>And your reasoning for that is?
>
> I don't see the ease of use like Windows and (ahem) Mac.

It's actually EASIER than Windows.


> I don't see COMMERCIAL hardware and software support like Windows and
> Mac.

Pretty much getting there...


> I don't see drivers as much as Windows and Mac.

Most things don't NEED "drivers" - they just err work....

> I don't see industry standard software.
> Etc.

Open Office, The Gimp, Firefox.....many others.
Just because the label on the box says Microsoft does NOT make it "industry
standard".

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> ray wrote:
>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:15:57 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 11:01:14 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:24:55 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 17:28:11 -0800, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:02:01 -0800, No Spam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <7q796qFni2U11@mid.individual.net> ray
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:43:16 -0700, Ken1943 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sucks for anything besides email, browser or server. Bin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there done that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KenW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since that's about all that 98% of the populace does, what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your point?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get that number from?
>>>>>>>>>>>> There millions of gamers out there, and Linux sucks for games.
>>>>>>>>>>> Old admonition: use the computers for what they do well:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> MAC for graphics
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux for desktop and servers
>>>>>>>>>>> MS for games
>>>>>>>>>> Seriously out-dated information.
>>>>>>>>>> Use Windows for all of the above and never look back.
>>>>>>>>> You're right.
>>>>>>>> Yes, Windows is all you need for doing all you mentioned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Linux is not that bad for graphics or games any more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who cares?
>>>>>>> Linux is also all you need for doing what was mentioned.
>>>>>> Gaming? Not according to cody linux isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who cares? - I
>>>>>>> didn't start the thread.
>>>>>> So why are you even in here huh? You don't use Windows...you're a
>>>>>> linux advocate...a troll.
>>>>> Just to counter your lies.
>>>> Lets get this straight...you don't use Windows 7...you are a linux
>>>> advocate...a troll and you are just like cody, aka alias...a LIAR!
>>>> Oops!
>>>
>>> You spread the FUD, frankie baby, not me. I'm just here to correct
>>> your invalid assertions. Have a good day, frankie.
>>
>> The pathetic thing is he believes the FUD.
>>
> The pathetic thing is I'm using W 7 and you and your butt-buddy, ray the
> lying asshole, aren't!
> Talk about your FUD!
> Oops!

More lies from the resident fool. I have W7 on another computer for
gaming. As it didn't come with a newsreader and I'm only using it for
gaming, there was no need to install a newsreader for your pathetic
benefit. Devil May Cry 4 does rock on Windows 7, I must admit, but the
rest is a amateurish copy of Ubuntu.

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Alias

No Spam wrote:
> In article <7qa1orFc51U1@mid.individual.net>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "No Spam" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:96hvj59592vkc9rev2tpqd6r5d89taukq7@4ax.com...
>>> Linux for servers, I agree, but for desktop it still is behind.
>>>
>> And your reasoning for that is?
>
> I don't see the ease of use like Windows and (ahem) Mac.

Then you've never used Ubuntu.

> I don't see COMMERCIAL hardware and software support like Windows and
> Mac.

No, you see high quality open source software.

> I don't see drivers as much as Windows and Mac.

Neither Windows nor Mac are drivers and Ubuntu has no problem with
hardware drivers.

> I don't see industry standard software.
> Etc.

You're blind.

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Alias

On  3-Jan-2010, Enkidu <enkidu@nogodhere.net> wrote:

> It's just stupid to accept replacing working hardware because you've
> upgraded your OS or replaced your notebook. Of course, this isn't what
> happens to most people, but it shouldn't happen to anyone. Microsoft
> knows how to write drivers. So do major hardware suppliers. They
> don't bother to do so.

Of course MS knows how to write drivers, and with little effort could
produce an OS that accepts drivers from XP up, in compatibility
mode.
MS doesn't because it has a cosy relationship with peripheral
mfrs, who are in business to sell more peripherals (and rip us off
for chipped ink cartridges).
The Twain model for image producing devices, applied for other
peripherals, would have been a good starting point, printer
and scanner control languages are not that complex that
they cannot have a common set of drivers.