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the subject is about poor sportsmanship. that includes poor losers
as well as poor winners.

In article <4etino$ma5@murrow.corp.sgi.com>,
Ronnie Townsend <ronnie@winona.csd.sgi.com> wrote:
>Is it just me or is this the worst year ever for teams crying about losing.

	i have to agree with you there. i can't believe that Reggie White
(_my_ Reggie White!) was whining after the game. he didn't even hold
his usual post-game prayer. he actually complained that somebody
scratched his eye. i doubt deacon jones would ever admit that. it's
basically admitting that you got beat. i really couldn't believe he
said that. i guess he's merely human after all.

	but i must point out that our QB shouldered his poor
performance publicly. this is better than aikman's acting out when
he threw a football at the feet of erik williams after the final
sack in the second philly game.

	speaking of williams, would it have been so hard to apologize
for potentially ending another man's career? whether or not his play
was within the rules, he could have made a better statement than that
it was legal and happens all the time. 'course, after it happened,
our John Jurkovich threw a water bottle at williams. jeez.

>Okay I understand that Deion and Michael are two of the biggest jerks in the
>history of the league on the field. However, away from football they are two
>of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet.
	didn't realize you knew those guys personally. all i heard off the
field was those two nice guys cussing so much that one of their mother's
was embarrassed. i'm glad you admit that they're jerks on the field. i
can't believe how much celebration goes on for a simple reception.
behavior on the field counts as part of sportsmanship.

>After they beat Philly in the playoffs the Philly coach whines cause Barry
>said "we kicked their ass." Well they did didn't they?
	making such a statement is just the sort of poor sportsmanship
this thread is about.

>After they beat Green Bay the Packers whined "they played dirty!" Well
>yes they did, but so did you... they were just better at it.
	this game was one of the worst reffed i've ever seen. i'm not
talking about the questionable calls. i'm talking about the fact that
the referrees just about lost control of this game. i'm surprised there
wasn't a bench clearing brawl after Jurko went down. then again, maybe
it's not the referrees' job to raise these football players with
manners and sportsmanship.

>[...]  Whatever
>happened to "Congratulate them, they did what it takes to win.. hopefully
>we'll be able to get 'em next time..."  I can take whining from fans.. we
>don't know any better.. but all this bullshit from the coaches and players
>of the teams the Cowboys beat just rubs me the wrong way.

	i completely agree. the whining etc. is unbelievable from the
coaches and players, as is the excessive celebration, either verbal or
physical. it detracts from the game. you also have to wonder what's
going on when a coach gets dumped for not winning their final
game (i.e. earhardt from the steelers, and maybe bringing walsh
back to the niners after a couple players whined to the owner.
and these weren't rookies, but veterans complaining that it wasn't
their fault that the job didn't get done but that siefert wasn't
calling the right plays. i guess they didn't have the guts to say
anything to his facE.)

>(415-390-2529)
must be tough being from the bay area as a cowboys' fan...:)

--
aneil shirke
shirke@cshl.org

ronnie@winona.csd.sgi.com (Ronnie Townsend) wrote:



>After they beat Pittsburgh the Steelers whine "we outplayed stopped their
>offense and outplayed them for the last 3 quarters!" Okay... so now you
>want every game to start keeping score in the second quarter? And let's
>award the game to the team who gains the most yardage... Oh yeah, return
>yardage also counts... the Cowboys had a 77-0 advantage there!  Whatever
>happened to "Congratulate them, they did what it takes to win.. hopefully
>we'll be able to get 'em next time..."  I can take whining from fans.. we
>don't know any better.. but all this bullshit from the coaches and players
>of the teams the Cowboys beat just rubs me the wrong way.

What the whiners want is to only count scores made by their teams,
while the Cowboys scores are discounted.  Refs can only call penalties
on the Cowboys and the Cowboy players are not allowed to block,
tackle, run patterns or catch the ball. And, oh yes, like in
wrestling, they want their team to be awarded point simply for time of
possession.  That is the perception a playing the Cowboys fairly.  Is
this not the greatest compliment ot his team!

slydrule@ix.netcom.com wrote:


: What the whiners want is to only count scores made by their teams,
: while the Cowboys scores are discounted.  Refs can only call penalties
: on the Cowboys and the Cowboy players are not allowed to block,
: tackle, run patterns or catch the ball. And, oh yes, like in
: wrestling, they want their team to be awarded point simply for time of
: possession.  That is the perception a playing the Cowboys fairly.  Is
: this not the greatest compliment ot his team!

Uh, no.  What at least some of us "whiners" want is to see Dallas play
by the same rules as the rest of the NFL.  We'd like to see offensive
pass interference called on Micheal Irvin more often, since he commits it
on virtually every play, usually fairly blatantly.  We'd like to see
Dallas be forced to honor the salary cap, since the $62 million that
Jerry Jones paid his players is about $25 million more than the cap
allows.  And I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd really like to
see Irvin and Sanders Asshole Jerry and Switzer and the other loudmouths
shut the hell up and just play the game.  We don't need them to tell us
how great they are.  Irvin and Sanders *are* great players, I'll be
the first to admit it.  But they're also arrogant as they come, and
I think a lot of people are pretty sick of their mouthing off.  If you're
truly great, you will be recognized; you don't need to keep telling
everyone about it.


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>
> Uh, no.  What at least some of us "whiners" want is to see Dallas play
> by the same rules as the rest of the NFL.  We'd like to see offensive
> pass interference called on Micheal Irvin more often, since he commits it
> on virtually every play, usually fairly blatantly.  We'd like to see
> Dallas be forced to honor the salary cap, since the $62 million that
> Jerry Jones paid his players is about $25 million more than the cap
> allows.  And I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd really like to
> see Irvin and Sanders Asshole Jerry and Switzer and the other loudmouths
> shut the hell up and just play the game.  We don't need them to tell us
> how great they are.  Irvin and Sanders *are* great players, I'll be
> the first to admit it.  But they're also arrogant as they come, and
> I think a lot of people are pretty sick of their mouthing off.  If you're
> truly great, you will be recognized; you don't need to keep telling
> everyone about it.
>
Jimmy, I believe it was Lefty Gomez [or Dizzy Dean?] who said, "It ain't
bragging if you back it up."

'Nuff said.  Go back to Jealousy Farm.

Gary Gambino Sr.
gdgambz1@homer.louisville.edu

In article <4eua3qINN90k@phage.cshl.org> shirke@phage.cshl.org (Aneil Shirke in Malinow lab) writes:
>	speaking of williams, would it have been so hard to apologize
>for potentially ending another man's career?

Uh, he did.

>>After they beat Philly in the playoffs the Philly coach whines cause Barry
>>said "we kicked their ass." Well they did didn't they?
>	making such a statement is just the sort of poor sportsmanship
>this thread is about.

If you saw the whole sound byte, you know it was not gloating.  A reporter
asked once again about the 4th and 1 call in Philadelphia.  Switzer said
basically that that was not the difference in the game.  Dallas should have
played better.  If they had kicked their ass, like today, the game would
not have come down to that one play.

A fair point, however he phrased it.

>	i completely agree. the whining etc. is unbelievable from the
>coaches and players, as is the excessive celebration, either verbal or
>physical. it detracts from the game.

So you want to go on record against Brooks jumping into the stands after
a TD?




Floyd Goodrich
floydg@cayman.amd.com

>Uh, no.  What at least some of us "whiners" want is to see Dallas play
>by the same rules as the rest of the NFL.

Sort of like we hoped the league would have stepped up last year
and KO'ed the Policy/Deion/Sega deal that went through.

 We'd like to see offensive
>pass interference called on Micheal Irvin more often, since he commits it
>on virtually every play, usually fairly blatantly.

Every play huh.  I guess you colors are showing.
 And I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd really like to
>see Irvin and Sanders Asshole Jerry and Switzer and the other loudmouths
>shut the hell up and just play the game.  We don't need them to tell us
>how great they are.  Irvin and Sanders *are* great players, I'll be
>the first to admit it.  But they're also arrogant as they come, and
>I think a lot of people are pretty sick of their mouthing off.  If you're
>truly great, you will be recognized; you don't need to keep telling
>everyone about it.

Sort of like Ken Norton punching the goal post, or that loud mouth
Rice in the locker room, or that 'overrated' back you guys lost to
Philadelphia in last year's FA battle.


Practice what you preach, cuz' your team surely doesn't!

Walt Ramsey

>        speaking of williams, would it have been so hard to apologize
>for potentially ending another man's career? whether or not his play
>was within the rules, he could have made a better statement than that
>it was legal and happens all the time. 'course, after it happened,
>our John Jurkovich threw a water bottle at williams. jeez.


As I've said before, it is all part of the game.  I don't see anybody
bitching about the lick D. Edwards laid on Thigpen in SBXXX.
That hit had a big chance to end someone's career, and the 'whiners' here
didn't even mention it.  Perhaps it was because NBC didn't replay that
hit into the dirt and make it seem such a big deal.  All the mediots
care about is bashing the boys, so they don't point out the good
plays, the good sportsmanship, or the comraderie that exists, they'd
rather show the bad only.


>>Okay I understand that Deion and Michael are two of the biggest jerks in the
>>history of the league on the field. However, away from football they are two
>>of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet.
>        didn't realize you knew those guys personally. all i heard off the
>field was those two nice guys cussing so much that one of their mother's
>was embarrassed. i'm glad you admit that they're jerks on the field. i
>can't believe how much celebration goes on for a simple reception.
>behavior on the field counts as part of sportsmanship.

Irvin gets paid big $$$ to win football games, not to be sportsmanlike.
Anyone who thinks different needs to reevaluate the definition of the
BUSINESS of pro football.

>
>>After they beat Philly in the playoffs the Philly coach whines cause Barry
>>said "we kicked their ass." Well they did didn't they?
>        making such a statement is just the sort of poor sportsmanship
>this thread is about.

Who gives a shit.  Philadelphia was beaten  by a better team, and that
is what the BUSINESS of football is about, not being pleasant, winning.

>
>>After they beat Green Bay the Packers whined "they played dirty!" Well
>>yes they did, but so did you... they were just better at it.
>        this game was one of the worst reffed i've ever seen. i'm not
>talking about the questionable calls. i'm talking about the fact that
>the referrees just about lost control of this game. i'm surprised there
>wasn't a bench clearing brawl after Jurko went down. then again, maybe
>it's not the referrees' job to raise these football players with
>manners and sportsmanship.

Why would there be a brawl for a play that occurs so frequently to
linemen on both sides of the ball?


It is a business my friends, always has been, always will.
Just ask Danny Noonan, or Don Mededith, both who wanted to play,  but
didn't get EXACTLY what they wanted,

or Preston Pearson on that memorable trade.

Walt Ramsey

In article <4etvq9$i72@cronkite.seas.gwu.edu> doc@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (James J. DiBenedetto) writes:

>Uh, no.  What at least some of us "whiners" want is to see Dallas play
>by the same rules as the rest of the NFL.

They already do.  I think what you really want is to see them play worse
than they do when they play by the same rules as the rest of the NFL.

>                                           We'd like to see offensive
>pass interference called on Micheal Irvin more often, since he commits it
>on virtually every play, usually fairly blatantly.

Irvin was called more often than the entire Steelers team in the Super Bowl,
and the Steelers committed more and more blatant penalties than Irvin did.
Oh yeah, Dallas still won.

>                                                    We'd like to see
>Dallas be forced to honor the salary cap, since the $62 million that
>Jerry Jones paid his players is about $25 million more than the cap
>allows.

Dallas followed the same cap rules every other team did this year.  They
just did so in such a way as to give themselves more of an advantage.  Isn't
it funny that when SF did this in 1994, most of the fans and commentators
made statements about "shrewd salary cap maneuvering" and the like.  Why
don't you like it now when Dallas does it?

>         And I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd really like to
>see Irvin and Sanders Asshole Jerry and Switzer and the other loudmouths
>shut the hell up and just play the game.

Why is what they do any worse than Neil Smith hitting a "home run" after a
sack?  Oh, I see, you're just looking for reasons to hate Dallas.




Floyd Goodrich
floydg@cayman.amd.com

Aneil Shirke in Malinow lab (shirke@phage.cshl.org) wrote:
> 	but i must point out that our QB shouldered his poor
> performance publicly. this is better than aikman's acting out when
> he threw a football at the feet of erik williams after the final
> sack in the second philly game.
Aikman had a very legitimate reason. If you remember the game, dallas
still had a chance for a last second play to possibly win the game from
the eagle 40. Williams gave up on the play, and his man (fuller) ran
around him easily and sacked aikman. Erik just stood there...that's why
aikman was pissed. Wouldn't you be?
> 	 speaking of williams, would it have been so hard to apologize
> for potentially ending another man's career? whether or not his play
> was within the rules, he could have made a better statement than that
> it was legal and happens all the time. 'course, after it happened,
> our John Jurkovich threw a water bottle at williams. jeez.
Erik Williams did apologize personally to jurkovic, and jurkovic politely
accepted it. Both handled the situation well...after the game was over.
> >Okay I understand that Deion and Michael are two of the biggest jerks in the
How about Lambert? Hollywood Henderson? Ray Nietszche? BILL WALSH??
> 	this game was one of the worst reffed i've ever seen. i'm not
> talking about the questionable calls. i'm talking about the fact that
> the referrees just about lost control of this game. i'm surprised there
> wasn't a bench clearing brawl after Jurko went down. then again, maybe
> it's not the referrees' job to raise these football players with
> manners and sportsmanship.
Refs always are lax on calls in playoff games. They usually let teams play.
> 	i completely agree. the whining etc. is unbelievable from the
> coaches and players, as is the excessive celebration, either verbal or
> physical. it detracts from the game. you also have to wonder what's
> going on when a coach gets dumped for not winning their final
> game (i.e. earhardt from the steelers, and maybe bringing walsh
> back to the niners after a couple players whined to the owner.
> and these weren't rookies, but veterans complaining that it wasn't
> their fault that the job didn't get done but that siefert wasn't
> calling the right plays. i guess they didn't have the guts to say
> anything to his facE.)
Seifert's snub by SF ownership with walsh is unbelievable. Just shows the
kind of reactionary policy that frisco has always employed...walsh will
destroy that team unless he has complete autonomy over it's leadership.
Even if he has this he's not guaranteed a winning season, look at his
stanford career. HAHAHA!
-LaFOn

On 5 Feb 1996, Walt Ramsey wrote:

> Date: 5 FEB 1996 21:26:20 GMT
> From: Walt Ramsey <walt_ramsey@ncsu.edu>
> Newgroups: rec.sport.football.pro, alt.sports.football.pro.dallas-cowboys,
>     alt.sports.football.gb-packers, alt.sports.football.pitt-steelers
> Subject: Re: 1995 The worst year ever for sportsmanship
>
>
> >Uh, no.  What at least some of us "whiners" want is to see Dallas play
> >by the same rules as the rest of the NFL.
>
> Sort of like we hoped the league would have stepped up last year
> and KO'ed the Policy/Deion/Sega deal that went through.
>
>  We'd like to see offensive
> >pass interference called on Micheal Irvin more often, since he commits it
> >on virtually every play, usually fairly blatantly.
>
> Every play huh.  I guess you colors are showing.
>  And I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd really like to
> >see Irvin and Sanders Asshole Jerry and Switzer and the other loudmouths
> >shut the hell up and just play the game.  We don't need them to tell us
> >how great they are.  Irvin and Sanders *are* great players, I'll be
> >the first to admit it.  But they're also arrogant as they come, and
> >I think a lot of people are pretty sick of their mouthing off.  If you're
> >truly great, you will be recognized; you don't need to keep telling
> >everyone about it.
>
> Sort of like Ken Norton punching the goal post, or that loud mouth
> Rice in the locker room, or that 'overrated' back you guys lost to
> Philadelphia in last year's FA battle.
>
>
> Practice what you preach, cuz' your team surely doesn't!
>
> Walt Ramsey
>
>
Walt, we don't call 'em the Whiners for nothin'...

Gary Gambino Sr.
gdgambz1@homer.louisville.edu

Walt Ramsey (walt_ramsey@ncsu.edu) wrote:
> Irvin gets paid big $$$ to win football games, not to be sportsmanlike.
> Anyone who thinks different needs to reevaluate the definition of the
> BUSINESS of pro football.

  Football is still a game and I like to think their is still honor in
sports, even professional ones.  I see many other players who "win
football games" without the cockiness and lack of sportmanship that Irvin
portrays game in and game out.  Emmitt Smith is a perfect example of a classy,
and tremendously successful, player.

  I think that getting paid enormous amounts of money is all the more reason
for atheletes, especially successful and talented ones, to set a good example
for the millions of young kids that idolize and *imitate* them.

  I read recently that in many little leagues, the traditional handshakes
after the game have been abandoned because of fights erupting after the
winning team rubs it in a la the Deion dance or Irvin's idiodic antics
(pointing and screaming).

  Do we really need that in sports?

You have a good point. Maybe if the niners were a little more arrogant
they would win more Super Bowls. I'll admit they were the team of the
80's, but they have only won one SB in the nineties and wouldn't have won
that one if they didn't have Deion.

World Champs!
Team of the Nineties and Beyond

Floyd Goodrich (floydg@cayman.amd.com) wrote:
: In article <4eua3qINN90k@phage.cshl.org> shirke@phage.cshl.org (Aneil Shirke in Malinow lab) writes:

: >	i completely agree. the whining etc. is unbelievable from the
: >coaches and players, as is the excessive celebration, either verbal or
: >physical. it detracts from the game.
:
: So you want to go on record against Brooks jumping into the stands after
: a TD?

How is this gloating, or excessive?

And how does celbrating with the fans detract from the game?

Mike

In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960212130202.8047C-100000@pacific>,
James K. Perry <perr4387@kutztown.edu> wrote:
>
>>Dallas SUCKS!	Just wait till next season when Andy Harmon will pick up
>Girl Troy and slam his ass down.  You have to admit that Rhodes is
>better than Switzer.  Switzer is terrible. The only reason he made it to
>the game is because of Johnson.  Girl Troy has no arm.  He gives the ball
>to Emmit or throws to that cockysmacked ass Irvin.  I have one and only
>one thing to say.
>
>			4TH AND ONE
>JKP

Let's see, what did the Eagles do in the playoffs...hmmmm...this is a
tough one...wait...it's starting to come back to me...didn't they get
their asses *kicked* on national tv by Barry & co???

--
Ed Guillen             "Women...can't live with 'em...pass the beer nuts"
guillen@convex.com                                        -Norm Peterson

On 7 Feb 1996, Marc Wallace wrote:

> You have a good point. Maybe if the niners were a little more arrogant
> they would win more Super Bowls. I'll admit they were the team of the
> 80's, but they have only won one SB in the nineties and wouldn't have won
> that one if they didn't have Deion.
>
> World Champs!
> Team of the Nineties and Beyond
>
>
>
>


>Dallas SUCKS!	Just wait till next season when Andy Harmon will pick up
Girl Troy and slam his ass down.  You have to admit that Rhodes is
better than Switzer.  Switzer is terrible. The only reason he made it to
the game is because of Johnson.  Girl Troy has no arm.  He gives the ball
to Emmit or throws to that cockysmacked ass Irvin.  I have one and only
one thing to say.

			4TH AND ONE
JKP

In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960212130202.8047C-100000@pacific>, "James K.
Perry" <perr4387@kutztown.edu> wrote:
[deleted]
>                         4TH AND ONE
> JKP



   SUPER BOWL XXX CHAMPIONS!!!! ;-)


   Cowboys!

Ed Guillen (guillen@convex.com) wrote:
: In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960212130202.8047C-100000@pacific>,
: James K. Perry <perr4387@kutztown.edu> wrote:
: >
: >>Dallas SUCKS!	Just wait till next season when Andy Harmon will pick up
: >Girl Troy and slam his ass down.  You have to admit that Rhodes is
: >better than Switzer.  Switzer is terrible. The only reason he made it to
: >the game is because of Johnson.  Girl Troy has no arm.  He gives the ball
: >to Emmit or throws to that cockysmacked ass Irvin.  I have one and only
: >one thing to say.
: >
: >			4TH AND ONE
: >JKP

4th and one as in Superbowl titles!!!!