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On 5/13/24 10:50, Louis Epstein wrote:
 > Pepin the Short's older brother Carloman and Charlemagne's younger
brother Carloman
 > were set up by their fathers to be co-rulers with them,but quickly
left the picture
 > and the dominant brother did his thing alone.
 >
 > What might either Carloman have done differently had he been the one
who survived?
 >
 > -=-=-
 > The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
 > at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

You know it was rather interesting seeing your post, and
then comparing Wikipedia articles on the subject of
Carloman and Charlemagne and other side articles on
the subject.

It is not obvious if Carloman would have been as
agressive as our time line's Charlemagne in what
was called 'East Francia'.

One possible spin-off what if could be 'no Holy
Roman Empire'.

I start thinking about other usenet groups besides
this one, some of them bad enough that I will not
bother to mention them.  Some of them are just
vast chains of perpetual jeers against each other
by people with vested interests in posting perpetual
chains of jeers.

I think it was somewhat insightful and enjoyable
to see your post and then click on a few links
and compare.  If your posts are not many, it is
still better than a vast string of them where
they are bad, and if you start surfing other
usenet groups you notice that it is more than
possible.  Thank you and keep them going if
it you can do that.

trolidan <trolidous@go.com> wrote:
> On 5/13/24 10:50, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> Pepin the Short's older brother Carloman and Charlemagne's younger
> brother Carloman
>> were set up by their fathers to be co-rulers with them,but quickly
> left the picture
>> and the dominant brother did his thing alone.
>>
>> What might either Carloman have done differently had he been the one
> who survived?
>>
>
> You know it was rather interesting seeing your post, and
> then comparing Wikipedia articles on the subject of
> Carloman and Charlemagne and other side articles on
> the subject.
>
> It is not obvious if Carloman would have been as
> agressive as our time line's Charlemagne in what
> was called 'East Francia'.
>
> One possible spin-off what if could be 'no Holy
> Roman Empire'.

In OTL the empire of Charlemagne divided and the
HRE became identified with the eastern part...if
the Pope still confers an imperial dignity on his
patron but eastern territories are not as widely
included would a "Germany" be assembled or stay
a periphery of an imperial state based on France?

And what of the Iberian marches?


> I start thinking about other usenet groups besides
> this one, some of them bad enough that I will not
> bother to mention them.  Some of them are just
> vast chains of perpetual jeers against each other
> by people with vested interests in posting perpetual
> chains of jeers.
>
> I think it was somewhat insightful and enjoyable
> to see your post and then click on a few links
> and compare.  If your posts are not many, it is
> still better than a vast string of them where
> they are bad, and if you start surfing other
> usenet groups you notice that it is more than
> possible.  Thank you and keep them going if
> it you can do that.
>

>> -=-=-
>> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
>> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

On 6/5/24 00:30, Louis Epstein wrote:
 > trolidan <trolidous@go.com> wrote:
 >> On 5/13/24 10:50, Louis Epstein wrote:
 >>> Pepin the Short's older brother Carloman and Charlemagne's younger
 >> brother Carloman
 >>> were set up by their fathers to be co-rulers with them,but quickly
 >> left the picture
 >>> and the dominant brother did his thing alone.
 >>>
 >>> What might either Carloman have done differently had he been the one
 >> who survived?
 >>>
 >>
 >> You know it was rather interesting seeing your post, and
 >> then comparing Wikipedia articles on the subject of
 >> Carloman and Charlemagne and other side articles on
 >> the subject.
 >>
 >> It is not obvious if Carloman would have been as
 >> agressive as our time line's Charlemagne in what
 >> was called 'East Francia'.
 >>
 >> One possible spin-off what if could be 'no Holy
 >> Roman Empire'.
 >
 > In OTL the empire of Charlemagne divided and the
 > HRE became identified with the eastern part...if
 > the Pope still confers an imperial dignity on his
 > patron but eastern territories are not as widely
 > included would a "Germany" be assembled or stay
 > a periphery of an imperial state based on France?
 >
 > And what of the Iberian marches?

So the Empire is what is generally called now
geographic 'France' rather than 'Germany'?

'France' is united in the 1800s, and Joan of Arc
repels the English from more eastern areas?

The Germans speak a derivative of Latin, but what
do the 'French' speak?

Charles Martel was earlier, but well, who knows
about 'Spain'.

Who can really know, who can understand?

 >
 >> I start thinking about other usenet groups besides
 >> this one, some of them bad enough that I will not
 >> bother to mention them.  Some of them are just
 >> vast chains of perpetual jeers against each other
 >> by people with vested interests in posting perpetual
 >> chains of jeers.
 >>
 >> I think it was somewhat insightful and enjoyable
 >> to see your post and then click on a few links
 >> and compare.  If your posts are not many, it is
 >> still better than a vast string of them where
 >> they are bad, and if you start surfing other
 >> usenet groups you notice that it is more than
 >> possible.  Thank you and keep them going if
 >> it you can do that.
 >>
 >
 >>> -=-=-
 >>> The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
 >>> at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
 >