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Peter Seebach wrote:
> 
> So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and
> suggested the retronym "Shpxrq hc.  Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc".
> 
> If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what furrfu
> is and this won't be interesting to you.  ;)

Yep. Similar situation popped up on alt.folklore.urban a little while
back; the new guy 'reverse engineered' furrfu to get exactly the same
result you cite. Not only was 'furrfu' a mystery, the guy didn't even
know what rot13 was. Damn, I feel old...

   Philippe

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Peter Seebach <seebs@plethora.net> wrote:
 :So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested
 :the retronym "Shpxrq hc.  Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc".
                ^      ^    ^       ^       ^      ^

So, rot13(Furrfu) = "Sheesh" ?


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On 04 May 2000 18:41:15 GMT, seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote:

>So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested
>the retronym "Shpxrq hc.  Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc".

Thank you! The best laugh I've had in at least two weeks ....

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Peter Seebach <seebs@plethora.net> wrote:
>So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and suggested
>the retronym "Shpxrq hc.  Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc".

>If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what furrfu is and this
>won't be interesting to you.  ;)

I had a bored moment.

elna ryan
ivar vine
ebola robyn
green terra
gena tran
pyrex clerk
ones barf
geri trev
fran sena
only bayl
nera aren
ryan elna
arne near
near arne
clerk pyrex
sync flap
tran gena
graf tens
cheryl purely
trev geri
snore faber
purely cheryl
shone fubar
aren nera
pure cher
cher pure
urea her]
what jung
jung what
tyner glare
robyn ebola
cert preg
rail envy
envy rail
engr rate
glare tyner
tang gnat
craf pens
pres cerf
faber snore
preg cert
snag fant
kenl xray
terra green
fubar shone
gnat tang
fury shel
shea furn
shel fury
xray kenl
barf ones
sena fran
bayl only
net arg
nor abe
ga t'
ney arl
nov abi
n a
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r e
s f
rng eat
a n
b o
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h u
i v
l y
bar one
bet org
tnt gag
try gel
vs if
jul why
aha nun
one bar
org bet
nun aha
if vs
we jr
rfc esp
am nz
rfd esq
hey url
she fur
abe nor
url hey
esp rfc
esq rfd
fur she
cfv psi
ing vat
cbc pop
ink vax
why jul
wha jun
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In article <957491317.23645.0.nnrp-09.9e98d142@news.demon.co.uk>,
Ian Stirling <Inquisitor@I.am> wrote:

 > I had a bored moment.
 >
 > elna ryan
 > ...

By an odd circumstance of synchronicity, I was playing games this past
evening.  Someone else had come up with  "Junqqn Sevpxvat Chgm"  , which
happened to have a useful set of initials, and I came up with one that
opened up to equally recognizable initials with a bit more:  "Zephyr
Labgyns".  N arj neg sbez!     ehr

Brian Boutel (brian@boutel.co.nz) writes:
>
> I always thought that Spice Girl Geri Halliwell was a bloke in drag.

  So who was that gal in Penthouse a few months ago?  (Of course, I only
  read the articles, but in this case, I couldn't help wondering if her
  picture was a refined version of the card deck that was run to the
  1403 printer at Queen's U. in '68.)

In article <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net>,
   seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote:
>So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and
suggested
>the retronym "Shpxrq hc.  Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc".
>
>If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what
>furrfu is and this won't be interesting to you.  ;)

I don't know how you encoded anything, but I liked the
sound of the word furrfu.  The picture that came to my
mind was a cat having a hissy fit on a bad hair day.

/BAH

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In article <B537E80B96682F959B@0.0.0.0>,
  ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) wrote:
> N arj neg sbez!

The word list is a great step towards it, but not enough. In addition to a
good list of words and phrases that the creative mind can rearrange in
interesting ways, there should be a little program to display straight and
rot13-ed text in adjacent windows so the artist can tinker[1] with it.

Once these tools are provided, we can expect that somebody will have a bored
moment and reward us all with a wrok of rot13 art, which will most likely
show up in a reply to the Benpyr.

===

[1] for example, creative misspellings where no rot13-able words fit exactly.


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Ian Stirling wrote:
>
>
> I had a bored moment.
>
> [...]
>
> geri trev

I always thought that Spice Girl Geri Halliwell was a bloke in drag.

Nice of him to give us a clue...

--b

In article <8eui51$n46$6@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>In article <3911c44b$1$8250$3c090ad1@news.plethora.net>,
>   seebs@plethora.net (Peter Seebach) wrote:
>>So, someone on a mailing list I'm on hadn't seen Furrfu before, and
>suggested
>>the retronym "Shpxrq hc.  Ernyyl, ernyyl, shpxrq hc".
>>
>>If you don't know how I encoded that, you don't know what
>>furrfu is and this won't be interesting to you.  ;)
>
>I don't know how you encoded anything, but I liked the
>sound of the word furrfu.  The picture that came to my
>mind was a cat having a hissy fit on a bad hair day.

Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your
methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of
the posts).

Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?

/BAH

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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

> Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your
> methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of
> the posts).
>
> Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?

No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3.
Have a trawl through the News Express help file - you may find it there
too.
--
Nick Spalding

In article <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

 > Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?

Take the rest of the weekend off and program it, Barbara.  It's a lot
easier than it sounds.

 -- E "gd&r" R

In article <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:
>Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your 
>methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of
>the posts).  
>
>Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?

map!  tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m
in .exrc and !! is your friend (rot-13 the current line), ditto for
!}, !G, etc. (to the end of paragraph, EOF, yodda, yodda).

Trick being: tr <string1> <string2> takes the input, does the substitution
and outputs the result. And !<movement><command><ESC> takes lines up to
the place where <movement> would get you, feeds them to <command> and
replaces them with the output. !! is a shortcut for !j (one line down),
 in map! argument escapes the  (<ESC>).

BTW, how would it look in TECOese?

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In article <B53A8432966827D322@0.0.0.0>,
   ehrice@his.com (Edward Rice) wrote:
>In article <8f121l$kkg$12@bob.news.rcn.net>,
>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?
>
>Take the rest of the weekend off and program it, Barbara.  It's a lot
>easier than it sounds.
>
> -- E "gd&r" R

Whap!

Oh, no.  I'm not going to fall into that trap again.
I found myself getting the programming itch just yesterday
and promptly applied calamine lotion.  Whew!

/BAH

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In article <jcc8hsgn6gdfqr3en2ctooiadddbsthbep@4ax.com>,
   Nick Spalding <spalding@iol.ie> wrote:
>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your
>> methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of
>> the posts).
>>
>> Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?
>
>No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3.

Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!
Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that.

>Have a trawl through the News Express help file - you
>may find it there too.

I vaguely remember the last time I tried to get help
from one of these critters I run.  [cringing emoticon
exhibiting Pavlovian behaviour].  :-)))

/BAH


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In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:
>>No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3.
>
>Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!
>Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that.

On most terminals I've used (including the Gnome Terminal on the Linux
box I'm currently typing this on (not my home box)), Ctrl/3 produces
ESC, like Ctrl/[.

-- don

Don Stokes wrote:
>
> On most terminals I've used (including the Gnome Terminal on the Linux
> box I'm currently typing this on (not my home box)), Ctrl/3 produces
> ESC, like Ctrl/[.

By the simple algorithm CTRL-n (n = 0-7) gives you the character
3n (octal). :-)

	Johnny

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In article <957713340.599862@shelley.paradise.net.nz>, Don Stokes wrote:
>In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:
>>>No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3.
>>
>>Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!
>>Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that.
>
>On most terminals I've used (including the Gnome Terminal on the Linux
>box I'm currently typing this on (not my home box)), Ctrl/3 produces
>ESC, like Ctrl/[.

I suspect the terminals you've used were inspired by the VT series
terminals, which had a number of shortcuts like that.  They still produce
the same old 128 ASCII characters, of course.

Of course if you have a special MIT or SAIL terminal, plus the right version
of TECO (or EMACS), then Control-3 _is_ a character of its own.  So is
Control-a (not the same as Control-A).

-- Derek

In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <jcc8hsgn6gdfqr3en2ctooiadddbsthbep@4ax.com>,
>   Nick Spalding <spalding@iol.ie> wrote:

>>No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3.

>Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!
>Now I wonder what the -10 would have done with that.

It never would have received it.  This type of command was the end of
the line for the early ibm-pc clones.

THere were a handful that happily emultated being an ibm and ran
ms-dos, sometimes also having a 6502 or a z80 around as well.  All
was well until programs started reading the raw key codes instead
of the official keyboard input.  Since these other machines (not
clones, really, just able to run the programs) had different keyboards,
they couldn't run the new programs, and the wave of 100% compatibles
became the only way to go (even though the XT wasn't 100% compatible . . .)

hawk

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On Sun, 07 May 00 10:57:21 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

>In article <jcc8hsgn6gdfqr3en2ctooiadddbsthbep@4ax.com>,
>   Nick Spalding <spalding@iol.ie> wrote:
>>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Somebody sent me some mail, thank you, explaining your
>>> methods (I had already figured the method out by the context of
>>> the posts).
>>>
>>> Now, what I want to is....do you do the rots in your head?
>>
>>No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press Ctrl-3.
>
>Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!

I don't know what version he uses, but here ebg-13 is intuitively
CTRL-R. Anyhow, <ctrl>-3 not being a character is absolutely
irrelevant.

In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

>> No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press
>> Ctrl-3.

> Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!

You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being used
as a command-key sequence.

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In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>,
viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote:

> BTW, how would it look in TECOese?

ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO.  In fact, check out the original
source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there.

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Simon Slavin wrote:
>
> In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>,
> viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote:
>
> > BTW, how would it look in TECOese?
>
> ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO.  In fact, check out the original
> source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there.

Why would EMACS have ROT13?

Btw, I was planning on writing up a ROT13 in TECO, but I forgot about
it again. I should dig up my TECO manual. There are one or two things
I'll have to check up before writing...

	Johnny

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In article <B53E548396684F4D2@10.0.1.2>,
   slavins@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost (Simon Slavin) wrote:
>In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>,
>viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote:
>
>> BTW, how would it look in TECOese?
>
>ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO.  In fact, check out the original
>source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there.

I don't have a TECO manual.  I also have no idea how to it
in TECO.  I was a whiz at editing with TECO, not programming
with it.

/BAH

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In article <8fbn2f$djv$2@bob.news.rcn.net>,
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>greg@apple2.com wrote:
>>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>>>Nick Spalding <spalding@iol.ie> wrote:

>>>> No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press
>>>> Ctrl-3.

>>> Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!

>> You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being
>> used as a command-key sequence.

> Are you trying to tell me that <ctrl>-3 indicates the two keys get
> punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that the two keys
> are punched one after the other?  That's stupid.

Where are you pulling that from?  The punctuation around "ctrl" is
irrelevant to the fact that Nick was talking about a command and you've
confused it with typing a character reference.  Simultaneity doesn't
enter into it.

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In article <greg-202A9D.14151409052000@news.binary.net>,
   greg@apple2.com wrote:
>In article <8f3rql$88l$6@bob.news.rcn.net>,
>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
>
>>> No.  Using Agent I simply highlight the relevant text and press
>>> Ctrl-3.
>
>> Wow!  I hadn't realized that <ctrl>-3 was a character!
>
>You're confusing control as a character modifier with control being used
>as a command-key sequence.
>
Are you trying to tell me that <ctrl>-3 indicates the two keys
get punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that
the two keys are punched one after the other?  That's stupid.

The reason the angle brackets encased the "ctrl" was to
indicate that it was one word, more specifically, one key.
The dash indicated that both keys were depressed at the
same time.  None of these conventions were fool-proof.
We never did figure out one of those documentary mechanisms.

/BAH

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On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist
<Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote:

[...]
>Why would EMACS have ROT13?

Because there's no reason for it not to.

C-h a rot13 lists toggle-rot13-mode and rot13-other-window.

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Dave Hansen wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist
> <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote:
>
> [...]
> >Why would EMACS have ROT13?
>
> Because there's no reason for it not to.
>
> C-h a rot13 lists toggle-rot13-mode and rot13-other-window.

Um. EMACS != GNU-EMACS...

	Johnny

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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:

> Are you trying to tell me that <ctrl>-3 indicates the two keys
> get punched simultaneously and that ctrl-3 indicates that
> the two keys are punched one after the other?  That's stupid.
>
> The reason the angle brackets encased the "ctrl" was to
> indicate that it was one word, more specifically, one key.
> The dash indicated that both keys were depressed at the
> same time.  None of these conventions were fool-proof.
> We never did figure out one of those documentary mechanisms.

Both together was what I meant.
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Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> Simon Slavin wrote:
> >
> > In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>,
> > viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote:
> >
> > > BTW, how would it look in TECOese?
> >
> > ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO.  In fact, check out the original
> > source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there.
>
> Why would EMACS have ROT13?
>
> Btw, I was planning on writing up a ROT13 in TECO, but I forgot about
> it again. I should dig up my TECO manual. There are one or two things
> I'll have to check up before writing...
>
You can probably download the TECO manual faster than you can find
yours.  So go get another copy at:

   ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/teco/doc/teco.doc

(No, this is *not* an MS word file.)

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dhansen@cyberoptics.com (Dave Hansen) writes:

> On Wed, 10 May 2000 05:37:30 GMT, Johnny Billquist
> <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote:
>
> [...]
> >Why would EMACS have ROT13?
>
> Because there's no reason for it not to.
>
> C-h a rot13 lists toggle-rot13-mode and rot13-other-window.

There's even more to it:

gnus-summary-caesar-message
  Command: Caesar rotate the current article by 13.
  Variable: (not documented)
message-caesar-buffer-body
  Command: Caesar rotates all letters in the current buffer by 13 places.
message-caesar-region
  Command: Caesar rotation of region by N, default 13, for decrypting netnews.
message-caesar-translation-table
  Variable: (not documented)
message-make-caesar-translation-table
  Function: Create a rot table with offset N.
message-xmas-make-caesar-translation-table
  Function: Create a rot table with offset N.

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In article <391A91D7.1E781FBC@netinsight.se>,
   Johnny Billquist <Johnny.Billquist@netinsight.se> wrote:
>Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>
>> <0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$
>>
>> If you run this on TECO-11 you can replace the first conditional with
>> <0A:;0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$
>>
>> Spray with $ if you feel unsafe.
>>
>> Now, isn't TECO wonderful?

Jeez.  You've used characters I've never typed :-).


>
>Argh. And here's the bugfix if you tried running it:
>
><0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID''C>$$

<grin>  It's very nice to know that TECO hasn't changed
a bit.  TW always erupted with those Arggh words when
he was writing one.

/BAH

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Charles Richmond wrote:
>
> Johnny Billquist wrote:
> >
> > Simon Slavin wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <8f3uuo$rek@steklov.math.psu.edu>,
> > > viro@steklov.math.psu.edu (Alexander Viro) wrote:
> > >
> > > > BTW, how would it look in TECOese?
> > >
> > > ROT-13 would be trivial in TECO.  In fact, check out the original
> > > source for EMACs -- it's almost certainly in there.
> >
> > Why would EMACS have ROT13?
> >
> > Btw, I was planning on writing up a ROT13 in TECO, but I forgot about
> > it again. I should dig up my TECO manual. There are one or two things
> > I'll have to check up before writing...
> >
> You can probably download the TECO manual faster than you can find
> yours.  So go get another copy at:
>
>    ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/teco/doc/teco.doc

Ah. Thanks.
Now, this should do it...

<0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$

If you run this on TECO-11 you can replace the first conditional with
<0A:;0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$

Spray with $ if you feel unsafe.

Now, isn't TECO wonderful?

	Johnny

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Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> <0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$
>
> If you run this on TECO-11 you can replace the first conditional with
> <0A:;0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID'C>$$
>
> Spray with $ if you feel unsafe.
>
> Now, isn't TECO wonderful?

Argh. And here's the bugfix if you tried running it:

<0A"L;'0A"A0A-79"L0A+13ID|0A-13ID''C>$$

	Johnny

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