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Started by HenHanna
Sun, 05 Jan 2025 20:04
While Baudelaire did not invent the notion of the flâneur, ...
Author: HenHanna
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2025 20:04
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2025 20:04
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i'm a huge fan of the C.Nolan film [Following] flâneur -- was the notion invented by Baudelaire? [Post-Baudelaire Development] After Baudelaire, the concept of the flâneur continued to evolve: Walter Benjamin, in the 20th century, further developed the idea in his work "The Arcades Project," using Baudelaire's flâneur as a starting point. The concept spread beyond Paris to other European cities, particularly Berlin. In conclusion, while Baudelaire did not invent the notion of the flâneur, his work was instrumental in shaping and popularizing the concept as we understand it today. The flâneur's origins can be traced back earlier, with significant development occurring during and after the French Revolution. On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 9:17:49 +0000, occam wrote: > > A flâneur (FR) is apparently "... an ambivalent figure of urban > affluence and modernity, representing the ability to wander detached > from society" > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur > > Wiki: A near-synonym of the noun is boulevardier. > > As there are not many boulevards in London, the synonym is not much > help. The other suggestions - urban male "stroller", "lounger", > "saunterer", or "loafer" - also miss the mark somewhat. > "Lounger" and "loafer" for me are /indoor/ terms. A "saunterer" > describes a far more energetic activity than "stroller". > > Is this one of those terms (like Schadenfreude) that we have to resign > to as eternally foreign?
Re: While Baudelaire did not invent the notion of the flâneur, ...
Author: HenHanna
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 23:02
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2025 23:02
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 0:00:35 +0000, Ross Clark wrote: > On 6/01/2025 9:04 a.m., HenHanna wrote: >> i'm a huge fan of the C.Nolan film [Following] >> >> >> flâneur -- was the notion invented by Baudelaire? >> >> >> [Post-Baudelaire Development] >> >>        After Baudelaire, the concept of the flâneur continued to >> evolve: >> >> Walter Benjamin, in the 20th century, further developed the idea in his >> work "The Arcades Project," using Baudelaire's flâneur as a starting >> point. >> >> The concept spread beyond Paris to other European cities, particularly >> Berlin. >> >> >>         In conclusion, while Baudelaire did not invent the notion of >> the flâneur, his work was instrumental in shaping and popularizing the >> concept as we understand it today. The flâneur's origins can be traced >> back earlier, with significant development occurring during and after >> the French Revolution. >> >> >> >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 9:17:49 +0000, occam wrote: >>> >>> A flâneur (FR) is apparently "... an ambivalent figure of urban >>> affluence and modernity, representing the ability to wander detached >>> from society" >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur >>> >>> Wiki: A near-synonym of the noun is boulevardier. >>> >>> As there are not many boulevards in London, the synonym is not much >>> help. The other suggestions - urban male "stroller", "lounger", >>> "saunterer", or "loafer" - also miss the mark somewhat. >>> "Lounger" and "loafer" for me are /indoor/ terms. A "saunterer" >>> describes a far more energetic activity than "stroller". >>> >>> Is this one of those terms (like Schadenfreude) that we have to resign >>> to as eternally foreign? > > I first heard/read this word as a youth; the phrase "flâneurs and > dilettantes" sticks in my mind to this day. I had some idea what a > dilettante was -- not a good thing to be called -- so flâneur was > probably similar. But I did have to look it up. Since then it has lived > in a quiet suburb of my vocabulary, not getting out very often. > > Probably a little later I heard about Baudelaire. And then again in the > 1980s some friends of mine were very excited about Walter Benjamin.... > > But not until today did I bother to look into its etymology. According > to Dauzat, "flâner" is not terribly old (1645), and comes from Norman > dialect, and thither probably from Scandinavian -- Norwegian flana 'to > go here and there'. Like what the Vikings did. __________________________ for some reason... when i think of the word flâneur i think of the closing shot in the movie Eugene Onegin (starring Ralph Fiennes ) the last shot is Onegin standing alone on a street -------- He became a flâneur _________________ The movie "Onegin" (1999) is based on Alexander Pushkin's 1833 novel in verse "Eugene Onegin". Directed by Martha Fiennes, Ralph Fiennes' sister, with music composed by their brother Magnus Fiennes. Stars Ralph Fiennes as Eugene Onegin and Liv Tyler as Tatyana Larina.
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