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cannabis... and the law :)
#141546
Author: slider
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2025 10:42
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### - smile, was researching online for reviews of various strains, have  
seen quite a few...

and came across this dude on youtube reviewing one of the most expensive  
ones (Atlantic Glue @ ÂŁ10 per g) which was interesting enough to then  
check out some of his other reviews, and am looking through what is  
actually quite a long list of vids and reading some of the comments and  
stuff, when i come across some remarks re the legal side of things?

this guy turning out to be a kind of activist in his own right as one of  
his short vids shows him collecting his confiscated cannabis items from  
the police station, my keen interest being aroused at this point as to  
what happened and why, and he's made some videos about it!

and so here he is reviewing medical strains and now also giving legal  
advice via his channel to users about what to do about it if arrested and  
there's a debate as to what's legal and what's not, and i'm getting more &  
more interested by the minute?

e.g., in the comments one person relating a personal event in starbucks  
and a manager being nasty to them and calling the police when this person  
started vaping cannabis in there (laughing, coz that IS a bit cheeky  
innit) and our man coming back to them saying that's all wrong, the law  
having changed businesses are supposed to make reasonable adjustments for  
disabled people being prescribed cannabis, in coffeebars, cinemas, on  
buses/trains, and/or on/in whatever other public services, OR you can sue  
them!!! and lol this includes suing the police for wrongful arrest!  
(currently worth about ÂŁ1,500) and apparently by law they haven't got a  
leg to stand on and you WILL win AND be compensated!

this particular dude and his channel making a point of 'educating' various  
businesses and police stations by writing to them, and, if neccessary, by  
example and collecting any compensations via no-win-no-fee solicitors  
who're apparently only too happy to take-on such cases because they win  
every time! and matey's encouraging others to do the same as a means to  
spreading the word about medical usage now being legal!

all this revealing the state of play only 2 weeks ago with the law and  
medical users in the uk and what's actually going-on in society today  
because of it, this dude taking it upon himself to 'educate' various  
businesses (and police stations heh) due to people being discriminated  
against for having to take a prescribed medicine, something that's not a  
problem with any other medicines but is with cannabis that has to be  
inhaled and that has a distinct smell...

smile, i'd wanted to find out a bit more about the law and all this didn't  
i, and now i have, cheers, although this particular dude got raided at  
home for possession and had his items confiscated (which is how he's now  
got a video of him collecting it from the police station a few days later  
when they realised they had to give it back!!!)

he'd told them at the time he was a medical user and showed them his  
prescriptions (which they immediately claimed were fake) and refused to  
call his clinic for confirmation... him ultimately seeing all this as  
being yet another police station being educated about 'the law' (in which  
ignorance is no defense, especially for the police) and thus hopefully  
wont be raiding any others before at least checking out if they're medical  
users or not...

iow: as yet there's clearly no available database of medical users for the  
police to refer to!

he has a link to a government guidelines leaflet he got hold of regarding  
these laws, which, although am not going to be using or carrying any  
around in public anytime soon, i think i'd like a copy of to keep at home  
just in case, this is the link to that video & leaflet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr52980bfbM

basically, as long as you're at home doing it (coz they's not quite sure  
yet about people using in public), you have a valid prescription, and some  
kind of an approved medical vaping-kit to do it with (because 'smoking' it  
is still illegal), then technically you're allowed to do it and you can't  
be raided or arrested for it, this apparently being extended to public  
usage as well on the basis that people may need to take their medications  
wherever they are and it's no one else's business what what they do... to  
be asked to leave a restaurant or a bus because of it being classed as  
unreasonable!

interesting huh, especially if/when the police themselves often don't know  
the law?

lol this dude might make a weed-activist of me yet haha, coz he's right! :D
Re: cannabis... and the law :)
#141550
Author: slider
Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2025 15:51
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### - this guy haha, he's defo an activist even before the weed thing came
along he was winding the cops up over various things, quite openly being
critical of them, going to protests about one thing or another and filming
it while naming & shaming anyone who behaves badly etc...

the weed thing being really just another stick he now uses to beat the
police with as per this short vid of his, with him amiably chatting to
some fairly decent policeman, who 'is' just doin' his job, his disarming
remarks regarding legality not giving matey anything to rear-up about he
wanders off to bother some other poor coppers haha :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym9JePFR6lg

i mean, i dunno about you thang but am not like that myself, i have no axe
to grind as such with the cops in that regard, him telling them he's gonna
be smoking it in a minute and that it's all legal and stuff and there's
fuck-all they can do about it (winding them up iow) being unnecessary to
say the least?

he's obviously getting a lot out of it though, he's enjoying it lol, and
although i enjoy smoking/using it too i don't feel the same need to ram it
down their throats or to make them (or anyone) feel uncomfortable about
it, i have my own personal opinions about it (am pro usage and
legalisation) but don't feel any need to suddenly go on marches on it's
behalf...

although i did sign this! (which is about as-active as i get heh) :)))
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700860

if, otoh, am stopped and/or arrested for it, at least now i've gots 'some'
idea as to my rights & stuff, this dude, who is obviously suffering from
some form of mental/emotional imbalance and resulting obsessive
behaviours, which he claims the weed genuinely smooths-out for him to some
degree, has helped though in his own way on the legal side of things, his
reviews of the strains also being useful as it's virtually the same
catalog list as the clinic's i'm currently with, possibly even from the
same uk pharmacies (there's more company's than dispensing pharmacy's, so
likely shared)

it's been an interesting journey anyway: being prepared for an outright
scam and thang finally happy for getting me into some sorta shit etc, me
calling his bluff (oh the games we play) only to find it's isn't a scam at
all and that you can indeed obtain some damn fine greens this way! it's
been a very nice surprise, cheers :)

(am trying to think of summat i can give you in return but you're very
difficult to prescribe for, no worries sport, will think of/find
something...)

;)
Re: cannabis... and the law :)
#141552
Author: slider
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2025 14:17
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### - lol this guy is crackin' me up haha :))))

smile, i can just see my activist-self going around doing this now huh,  
challenging authority and defying ignorance, him currently sitting in the  
middle of nottingham main train station in this video waiting to get  
nicked by the police - who're on their way! (what a character haha)

e.g., he apparently went in and talked to the transport police there  
before commencing, and is now sitting mid-foyer, grinding weed and hitting  
his vaping machine with some good bud, literally 'daring' the cops to  
pinch him so he can debate/argue with them, maybe even get himself  
arrested in the worst case scenario and then sue them for ÂŁ1,500  
compensation lol, he feels he KNOWS the law and is only observing his  
medical rights! (and is quite brave of him really considering he can't  
venture outside 'without' his meds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Wzt85Mos8

(cue the imaginary resulting courtroom scene later...) so mr, erm,  
'smacksalad' or 'smackhead' or whatever you call yourself; you had an  
electric pipe, a grinder, a bong and some cannabis in a public place, and  
openly smoked it while claiming a need to medicate yourself as a legal  
medical cannabis patient with every right to do so if/when required??  
(pandemonium in the court haha)

this guy really going through the mill confronting all this live while  
obviously having quite bad mental and emotional problems to cope with, it  
clearly being very stressful for him and yet he persists, even to having  
to explain to the cops at length, under pressure, the difference between  
vaping and nebulising, this being unacceptable in the sense that someone  
taking their medicine in public is actually likely to be someone who's  
being taken-ill, is in-trouble and needing medical attention, what they  
DON'T need is to hassled and arrested and/or told to move-on, or to be  
thrown off a train if they're having a panic attack in public, THAT IS  
discrimination!

and so at the end he gets out his bong and says, "fuck 'em!" - lol good  
for him!

he's a cannabis hero and pioneer haha...

and actually looks a bit like william burroughs? ;)
Re: cannabis... and the law :)
#141575
Author: slider
Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 10:29
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### - an update on that petition to grow your own medical cannabis...

although it actually reached 13,000+ votes, they've just totally blanked  
it hah...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700860

their reasoning being all wrong, of course, their 'expert' likely some  
backroom bookworm never having used it themselves in their entire life!

this being their official response:

Government responded
This response was given on 19 May 2025

Homegrown cannabis is not a safe or appropriate substitute for regulated  
Cannabis Based Products for Medicinal Use and there are no plans to change  
the law to permit its use.

The response in full:
The Government sympathises with patients suffering from painful and  
debilitating conditions and can understand their desire to seek the best  
and most affordable treatment available. However, homegrown cannabis  
cannot be substituted for Cannabis Based Products for Medicinal Use  
(CBPMs) and we have no plans to allow this.

In line with the advice of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs,  
Cannabis-Based Products for Medicinal Use were rescheduled to Schedule 2  
under the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001 (the 2001 Regulations) on 1  
November 2018. If the CBPM product is unlicensed (i.e. without a marketing  
authorisation granted in accordance with the medicines legislation  
applicable in the UK) and is being ordered otherwise than for a clinical  
trial, the decision to order/prescribe the medicine can only be made by a  
doctor on the Specialist Register of the General Medical Council.

The law itself does not restrict which conditions CBPMs may be prescribed  
for and there is no legal impediment to specialist doctors prescribing  
CBPMs where clinically appropriate and in the best interests of patients.  
It is important to remember that only products meeting the definition of a  
CBPM, in accordance with medicines legislation, were rescheduled.

Products not meeting this definition (other than cannabis-based medicines  
that have received marketing authorisation and have been separately  
scheduled) remain Schedule 1 drugs under the 2001 Regulations. Schedule 1  
drugs cannot ordinarily be possessed or supplied except under a Home  
Office licence. Cannabis cannot be cultivated except under a Home Office  
licence and the Home Office does not grant licences to grow cannabis for  
personal consumption.

Expert advice does not support the substitute of home grown or street  
cannabis for CBPMs. In July 2018 the then UK Government’s Chief Medical  
Adviser, Professor Dame Sally Davies considered the available evidence of  
the therapeutic and medicinal benefits of cannabis-based products in  
“Cannabis Scheduling Review Part 1: The therapeutic and medicinal benefits  
of Cannabis based products – a review of recent evidence”  
(https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cannabis-scheduling-review-part-1)  
and concluded that:

“Cannabis has many active chemicals and only cannabis or derivatives  
produced for medical use can be assumed to have the correct concentrations  
and ratios. Using other forms, such as grown or street cannabis, as  
medicine for therapeutic benefit is potentially dangerous. The evidence  
that cannabis and some of its derivatives can be addictive and harmful has  
been known for some time and is not disputed by recent science, so I  
believe the reasons it is a controlled drug in the UK stand.” (Paragraph  
1.3)

“This review covers only medical cannabis and cannabis based medicinal  
products designed specifically for medicinal use. Grown cannabis has over  
100 active drugs, which can have a wide variety of concentrations and  
ratios creating different and often severe side effects… Because different  
forms of grown cannabis have different concentrations and ratios of these  
drugs, grown or street cannabis cannot safely be substituted for medicinal  
cannabis.” (Paragraph 2.4)

While this legislative change enabled access by prescription, by or under  
the direction of a specialist clinician, it did not change the processes  
that ensure NHS funding is prioritised for medicines proven safe and  
clinically and cost effective – that is medicines, such as the  
cannabis-based medicines Sativex and Epidyolex, that are approved by the  
Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and the  
National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE).

NICE states that more research is the key to building the evidence base to  
support the use of CBPMs. Until we see robust evidence on the safety,  
quality, and efficacy of these products, clinicians will remain reluctant  
to prescribe them and the NHS will not be able to make decisions on  
routine funding. That is why we continue to encourage manufacturers of  
unlicensed products to conduct research to support the use of their  
products and seek regulatory approval, and why we offer scientific and  
research advice from MHRA and the National Institute for Health and Care  
Research (NIHR).

The barrier to accessing these products on the NHS is one of evidence, not  
government regulation, and the Department of Health and Social Care is  
working closely with regulatory, research and NHS partners to establish  
clinical trials to test the safety and efficacy of these products.

Home Office

***

### - i mean duh? the whole POINT of 'medical' cannabis is surely that of  
people finding the different STRAIN(s) that work BEST for them, no? what  
then could be risky or dangerous about that patient discovering a strain  
that particularly works for them say via a clinic, purchasing the seeds  
for it and growing that same strain themselves for only a tenth of the  
commercial cost??

seeds aren't illegal in the uk! you can buy any strain over the counter!  
it's only illegal to germinate them!

nah, imho that's a very lame excuse on their part, they are obviously  
enjoying the income they're making from it as things currently stand  
instead and don't want to make thing better for the people requiring it,  
what a stitch-up!

iow: we still live in a very ignorant and greedy world!

a world where the wolves knowingly feed-off the sick & dying!

iow: they don't do anything for the sick because it might be good for SICK  
people, that's all just PR-hype! they do it only for the money and what  
they can make out of it, the american medical insurance system being proof  
enough of that! poor people can't afford it!!!

80% of people CAN'T afford it!!!

which, in a democracy where what's best for the majority supposedly rules,  
is indeed scandalous!

and which, incidentally,  is one of the things malcolm x got absolutely  
right when he said:

"we don't live in a democracy - we live in a hypocrisy!"

for here's another prime example of it right there!

(rolls eyes...) thang reckons it's the only little frankenstein-society we  
gots, so the right thing to do is to support it come what may? (and then  
attacks you if/when you find fault with any of society's obviously crappy  
ways and injustices lol) he didn't however abide by their laws when it  
came to growing/selling some himself huh, there clearly being things he  
*doesn't* agree with then, this making him a hypocrite!

this thing over licensed patients 'using but not growing' cannabis being  
an example of same!

and coz lol: they've clearly got all the wrong people doing all the wrong  
jobs haha...

it's 2025 folks but wallyworld still rools :D

as for thang's perfect society:

Ode To A Passing Monster.

Oh Frankie, oh monster that we made
Our hands are torn and bleeding
 From all the work you made us do
While we were only sleeping

You never made for easy life
And oil was your undoing
The pressures were exceeding great
The leaks were ever growing

And when in time you clanked your last
And fell you down to earth
We thought at least for one last great blast...
But pfffft was all we heard!

Ah monster-monster shining bright
By mortal minds all carved
Go 'gently' now into that night
Ere' mankind gasps its last...

--slider 2007 ;)
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