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On 6/15/25 10:54 AM, Don Vito Martinelli wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to
>> decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any
>> real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html
>> website but who has a simple html website that isn't github hosted at
>> this point.. we do but that is besides the point.

*NO* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's one of the reasons I'm a SeaMonkey user!

>
> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
> is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.

AGREED!

frg wrote:
> A bit on short notice.
>
> Agenda:  https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-06-15
>
> * 15 June, 14:00 UTC, 10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm
> Hong Kong
> * Other timezones:
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day&month=6&year 25&hour&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
>
> * IRC channel #seamonkey - ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> We're doing another instance of our tri-weekly SeaMonkey Status meetings
> on IRC.
>
> Please add agenda items we should discuss, we're trying to get a good
> view there where the SeaMonkey project is right now, what the progress
> is compared to last time and where we are headed.
>
> Main agenda items:
>     - Action Items
>     - Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree
>     - Release Train
>     - Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
>     - 2.x (Last, Current, Next)
>     - Feature List, Planning
>     - Roundtable - Personal Status Updates
>
> If you can't participate, please remember to fill in all the info you
> can tell us in the wiki.
>
> Best regards and see you on Sunday.

I was sort of lurking while that was going on, lurked and then went out
for a while.  One comment (apart from the .21 being a "quiet" release, I
hope):

> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html website but who has a simple html website that isn't github hosted at this point.. we do but that is besides the point.

It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.

On 2025-06-15, Don Vito Martinelli wrote:

> frg wrote:
>>
>> Agenda:  https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-06-15
[...]
>> We're doing another instance of our tri-weekly SeaMonkey Status
>> meetings on IRC.
[...]
>
> I was sort of lurking while that was going on, lurked and then went
> out for a while.  One comment (apart from the .21 being a "quiet"
> release, I hope):
>
>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to
>> decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of
>> any real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple
>> html website but who has a simple html website that isn't github
>> hosted at this point.. we do but that is besides the point.
>
> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
> is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.

Oops. I meant to comment on that but got distracted commenting on Anubis
at MozillaZine.

I think Composer can still be quite useful as it is currently; a few
issues do exist, and I should get back to trying to debug and fix what I
can...

--
Nuno Silva (njsg)

Don Vito Martinelli wrote:
> frg wrote:
>> A bit on short notice.
>>
>> Agenda:  https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-06-15
>>
>> * 15 June, 14:00 UTC, 10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm Hong Kong
>> * Other timezones:
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day&month=6&year 25&hour&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
>>
>> * IRC channel #seamonkey - ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey
>>
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> We're doing another instance of our tri-weekly SeaMonkey Status meetings on
>> IRC.
>>
>> Please add agenda items we should discuss, we're trying to get a good view
>> there where the SeaMonkey project is right now, what the progress is
>> compared to last time and where we are headed.
>>
>> Main agenda items:
>>     - Action Items
>>     - Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree
>>     - Release Train
>>     - Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
>>     - 2.x (Last, Current, Next)
>>     - Feature List, Planning
>>     - Roundtable - Personal Status Updates
>>
>> If you can't participate, please remember to fill in all the info you can
>> tell us in the wiki.
>>
>> Best regards and see you on Sunday.
>
> I was sort of lurking while that was going on, lurked and then went out for a
> while.  One comment (apart from the .21 being a "quiet" release, I hope):
>
>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to decommision the
>> composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any real effective webdev
>> for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html website but who has a simple
>> html website that isn't github hosted at this point.. we do but that is
>> besides the point.
>
> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking is the
> reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.

There are no plans to remove the composer. It won't see real enhancements
until more people do actual work but even I fix it up now and then.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id27146



FRG

frg wrote:
> Don Vito Martinelli wrote:
>> frg wrote:
>>> A bit on short notice.
>>>
>>> Agenda:  https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-06-15
>>>
>>> * 15 June, 14:00 UTC, 10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm
>>> Hong Kong
>>> * Other timezones:
>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day&month=6&year 25&hour&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
>>>
>>> * IRC channel #seamonkey - ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> We're doing another instance of our tri-weekly SeaMonkey Status
>>> meetings on IRC.
>>>
>>> Please add agenda items we should discuss, we're trying to get a good
>>> view there where the SeaMonkey project is right now, what the
>>> progress is compared to last time and where we are headed.
>>>
>>> Main agenda items:
>>>     - Action Items
>>>     - Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree
>>>     - Release Train
>>>     - Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
>>>     - 2.x (Last, Current, Next)
>>>     - Feature List, Planning
>>>     - Roundtable - Personal Status Updates
>>>
>>> If you can't participate, please remember to fill in all the info you
>>> can tell us in the wiki.
>>>
>>> Best regards and see you on Sunday.
>>
>> I was sort of lurking while that was going on, lurked and then went
>> out for a while.  One comment (apart from the .21 being a "quiet"
>> release, I hope):
>>
>>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to
>>> decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any
>>> real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html
>>> website but who has a simple html website that isn't github hosted at
>>> this point.. we do but that is besides the point.
>>
>> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
>> is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.
>
> There are no plans to remove the composer. It won't see real
> enhancements until more people do actual work but even I fix it up now
> and then.
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id27146
>
>
>
> FRG

Hi, I sort of guessed that later - "Browser Crusade" was a clue.
Sorry for the "Aufregung".

Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 6/15/25 10:54 AM, Don Vito Martinelli wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to
>>> decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any
>>> real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html
>>> website but who has a simple html website that isn't github hosted at
>>> this point.. we do but that is besides the point.
>
> *NO* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> It's one of the reasons I'm a SeaMonkey user!
>
>>
>> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
>> is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.
>
> AGREED!
>
>

This is a "me too" moment.

Don Vito Martinelli <hyperspace.flyover@vogon.gov.invalid> wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 6/15/25 10:54 AM, Don Vito Martinelli wrote:
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to
> >>> decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any
> >>> real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html
> >>> website but who has a simple html website that isn't github hosted at
> >>> this point.. we do but that is besides the point.
> >
> > *NO* !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > It's one of the reasons I'm a SeaMonkey user!
> >
> >>
> >> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
> >> is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.
> >
> > AGREED!

> This is a "me too" moment.

Add me!
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frg wrote on 16/6/25 1:12 am:
> Don Vito Martinelli wrote:
>> frg wrote:
>>> A bit on short notice.
>>>
>>> Agenda:  https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/StatusMeetings/2025-06-15
>>>
>>> * 15 June, 14:00 UTC, 10am Eastern, 3pm UK, 4pm Central Europe, 10pm
>>> Hong Kong
>>> * Other timezones:
>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day&month=6&year 25&hour&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
>>>
>>> * IRC channel #seamonkey - ircs://libera.chat/seamonkey
>>>
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> We're doing another instance of our tri-weekly SeaMonkey Status
>>> meetings on IRC.
>>>
>>> Please add agenda items we should discuss, we're trying to get a good
>>> view there where the SeaMonkey project is right now, what the
>>> progress is compared to last time and where we are headed.
>>>
>>> Main agenda items:
>>>     - Action Items
>>>     - Status of the SeaMonkey Buildbot Master and Tree
>>>     - Release Train
>>>     - Extensions and Plugins Compatibility Tracking
>>>     - 2.x (Last, Current, Next)
>>>     - Feature List, Planning
>>>     - Roundtable - Personal Status Updates
>>>
>>> If you can't participate, please remember to fill in all the info you
>>> can tell us in the wiki.
>>>
>>> Best regards and see you on Sunday.
>>
>> I was sort of lurking while that was going on, lurked and then went
>> out for a while.  One comment (apart from the .21 being a "quiet"
>> release, I hope):
>>
>>> I do however think maybe it is time to consider planning to
>>> decommision the composer.. it simply isn't up to the challenge of any
>>> real effective webdev for the past decade.. It can edit a simple html
>>> website but who has a simple html website that isn't github hosted at
>>> this point.. we do but that is besides the point.
>>
>> It ain't broke and does not need fixing, and that kind of the thinking
>> is the reason Firefox is pretty much a niche browser nowadays.
>
> There are no plans to remove the composer. It won't see real
> enhancements until more people do actual work but even I fix it up now
> and then.
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id27146
>
> FRG

Many thanks on behalf of we Composer users. Much appreciated!