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micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
news:kgf07k1p2d0gi4fal3m4iojsgj0joqm98p@4ax.com:

>
> This is the public site for the named country club, yet when you go any
> of its sections in Firefox, all you can see is a picture, and you can't
> scroll below it
> https://www.invitedclubs.com/clubs/prestonwood-country-club
>
> It has entries near the top for Our Story, Golf, Amenities, Membership,
> all of them are just one picture (except Golf that has L & R buttons to
> see other pictures.
>
> So I thought maybe this is a problem with FF, and I looked on Edge and
> Chrome.  Heck, it's even worse there.  You can only see the top half of
> the picture.  For Golf, the L & R buttons are gone and you can only see
> the sky.
>
> How come these people*** can't afford a decent webpage?
>
> "Members and nonmembers are welcome to book events with us." So the
> webpage is meant for everyone, not just those who log in.
>
>
> ***My brother lives a half block from this place, and he's a doctor and
> make a bunch of money, and he has an expensive house with a pool in an
> expensive neighborhood, though he's not interested in clubs or golf.
> Still I was looking at his street on the map and curious about what I
> had found down the block when I was visiting him.

I use FF 64-bit esr on my Win 7 Pro machine.  Ads are generally blocked by
AdBlock.  No other extensions to FF.  FF reports it is version 115.25.0
esr.  Win 7 Pro still gets daily updates for the build in scanner but not
for any apps, since I don't have any installed.  All scripting options
within FF are disabled.

The web page above displays well and appears fully functional.  There is a
pop-up movie ad for the site that works, but had to be closed to see and
use the web page underneath.

BTW, I occasionally see the described misbehavior when one of the early FF
Tabs has rendered a YouTube video with what can only be described as lots
of drivers to disble the scroll keys and arrow buttons.  This may also be
YT's attempt to keep me from bypassing ads in the videos, which it hasn't
figured out how to do yet.  Any tabs created after the malicious drivers
are installed inherit the bad behavior, especially being unable to scroll
down.  I get around this by closing any FF Tabs that have the behavior and
just restart FF again.  Problem solved.

Also, I refuse to sign in to any app, even FF, that asks for user or
account information.  I don't share FF accounts across computers which is
an easy route to infect other computers, IMHO.

micky wrote:

> https://www.invitedclubs.com/clubs/prestonwood-country-club
> How come these people*** can't afford a decent webpage?

FF 140.0.4 here with ghostery enabled, it looks like a properly working
(but uninteresting to me) website ...

On 7/11/2025 9:47 PM, micky wrote:
>
> This is the public site for the named country club, yet when you go any
> of its sections in Firefox, all you can see is a picture, and you can't
> scroll below it
> https://www.invitedclubs.com/clubs/prestonwood-country-club
>
> It has entries near the top for Our Story, Golf, Amenities, Membership,
> all of them are just one picture (except Golf that has L & R buttons to
> see other pictures.
>
> So I thought maybe this is a problem with FF, and I looked on Edge and
> Chrome.  Heck, it's even worse there.  You can only see the top half of
> the picture.  For Golf, the L & R buttons are gone and you can only see
> the sky.
>
> How come these people*** can't afford a decent webpage?
>
> "Members and nonmembers are welcome to book events with us." So the
> webpage is meant for everyone, not just those who log in.
>
>
> ***My brother lives a half block from this place, and he's a doctor and
> make a bunch of money, and he has an expensive house with a pool in an
> expensive neighborhood, though he's not interested in clubs or golf.
> Still I was looking at his street on the map and curious about what I
> had found down the block when I was visiting him.

Not here.  I tried it using FF 130.0.4 64-bit with the add=on extensions
Privacy Badger and uBlock origin fully implemented.  For me, the web
page responds appropriately to every hyperlink to what the hyperlink
title leads me to expect.  Don't know what your doing Micky.  Have you
tried opening your installation of FF in what's now called "troubleshoot
mode" with all extensions, themes and custom settings temporarily
disabled?

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 05:47:54 -0000 (UTC),
David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
>news:kgf07k1p2d0gi4fal3m4iojsgj0joqm98p@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> This is the public site for the named country club, yet when you go any
>> of its sections in Firefox, all you can see is a picture, and you can't
>> scroll below it
>> https://www.invitedclubs.com/clubs/prestonwood-country-club
>>
>> It has entries near the top for Our Story, Golf, Amenities, Membership,
>> all of them are just one picture (except Golf that has L & R buttons to
>> see other pictures.
>>
>> So I thought maybe this is a problem with FF, and I looked on Edge and
>> Chrome.  Heck, it's even worse there.  You can only see the top half of
>> the picture.  For Golf, the L & R buttons are gone and you can only see
>> the sky.
>>
>> How come these people*** can't afford a decent webpage?
>>
>> "Members and nonmembers are welcome to book events with us." So the
>> webpage is meant for everyone, not just those who log in.
>>
>>
>> ***My brother lives a half block from this place, and he's a doctor and
>> make a bunch of money, and he has an expensive house with a pool in an
>> expensive neighborhood, though he's not interested in clubs or golf.
>> Still I was looking at his street on the map and curious about what I
>> had found down the block when I was visiting him.
>
>I use FF 64-bit esr on my Win 7 Pro machine.  Ads are generally blocked by
>AdBlock.  No other extensions to FF.  FF reports it is version 115.25.0
>esr.  Win 7 Pro still gets daily updates for the build in scanner but not
>for any apps, since I don't have any installed.  All scripting options
>within FF are disabled.
>
>The web page above displays well and appears fully functional.  There is a
>pop-up movie ad for the site that works, but had to be closed to see and
>use the web page underneath.

I don't get any pop-ups either!
>
>BTW, I occasionally see the described misbehavior when one of the early FF
>Tabs has rendered a YouTube video with what can only be described as lots
>of drivers to disble the scroll keys and arrow buttons.

I almost always have youtube tabs and unless I just restarted FF,
usually one of them has been opened.  Now that neither windows nor FF
crash much, they can both be open for 5 or more days (wiht some sleeping
or hibernating in between), so almost all the time a youtube video will
have run some time earlier.    -- Though I don't know what you mean
about disablling scroll keys and arrow buttons.  The left and right
arrows always work in youtube to skip backward and forward, and there
are no scroll bars in full-screen mode, and in other modes the vertical
scroll bar works.

>  This may also be
>YT's attempt to keep me from bypassing ads in the videos, which it hasn't
>figured out how to do yet.

Hey, how do you do that?   I used to use something-video-enhancer, but a
couple years ago they made the author revert to an earlier version that
didn't skip ads.

>  Any tabs created after the malicious drivers
>are installed inherit the bad behavior, especially being unable to scroll
>down.

That would account for it, and I certainly would never have suspected
Youtube.  This also, I think, shows the advantage of talking to people
instead of so-called AI.  I doubt if any AI now or even later could have
considered all the factors I brought up, (Although if it read your post,
maybe it would cite it.)

> I get around this by closing any FF Tabs that have the behavior and
>just restart FF again.  Problem solved.

What I did is restart with a profile I've looked at but never used and
which has no other tabs and indeed the whole website looked fine. Glad
to see the country-club set is not so stupid they didn't notice that
their page doesn't work.

This however does not account for Chrome and Edge.  In a while I'll go
dowwnstairs and check that comptuer again, but those two browsers were
started fresh and one didn't have any pre-existing tabs.  Even though
it's not FF, I'll post back about them. .

>Also, I refuse to sign in to any app, even FF, that asks for user or
>account information.  I don't share FF accounts across computers which is
>an easy route to infect other computers, IMHO.

I don't sign in either, but that's largely because I have no desire to
sync different instances.  Just last night it wanted me to sign in for
some other reason.

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 07:56:52 +0100, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>> https://www.invitedclubs.com/clubs/prestonwood-country-club
>> How come these people*** can't afford a decent webpage?
>
>FF 140.0.4 here with ghostery enabled, it looks like a properly working
>(but uninteresting to me) website ...

Same version, I should have said that, but it looks like version doesn't
matter.   Only I-don't-care-about-cookies and the Camelizer for add-ons.
Though last night after all of this, I put in Password-toggler and
Custom-Google-visited-link-olor

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:55:59 -0400,
Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:

>
>Not here.  I tried it using FF 130.0.4 64-bit with the add=on extensions
>Privacy Badger and uBlock origin fully implemented.  For me, the web
>page responds appropriately to every hyperlink to what the hyperlink
>title leads me to expect.  Don't know what your doing Micky.  Have you
>tried opening your installation of FF in what's now called "troubleshoot
>mode" with all extensions, themes and custom settings temporarily
>disabled?

Used a barely used profile and it all worked okay, and just now, on this
upstairs computer, Edge and Chrome worked fine too.

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:14:02 -0400, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:55:59 -0400,
>Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Not here.  I tried it using FF 130.0.4 64-bit with the add=on extensions
>>Privacy Badger and uBlock origin fully implemented.  For me, the web
>>page responds appropriately to every hyperlink to what the hyperlink
>>title leads me to expect.  Don't know what your doing Micky.  Have you
>>tried opening your installation of FF in what's now called "troubleshoot
>>mode" with all extensions, themes and custom settings temporarily
>>disabled?
>
>Used a barely used profile and it all worked okay, and just now, on this
>upstairs computer, Edge and Chrome worked fine too.

On the downstairs, win11, Edge loaded the pages correctly, and there
were still pages loaded yesterday, which were wrong but when reloaded
were fine again.

OTOH, Chrome, which has only two windows, one of which has only a google
search page and a wikipedia page, and the other had just one tab,  not
youtube, it still didn't work.  Just like yesterday

So I went back to FF and it didn't work either.  I'm sure I could close
all the other tabs or use a new profile and it would work, but not worth
the effort.

David, do you think the drivers Youtube loads in Firefox could also mess
up webpages in Chrome and Edge.   Do they use the same drivers?  And
could loading a youtube page in Chrome or Edge mess up FF?   If so, it's
a good thing it doesn't happen very often.

In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Mon, 14 Jul 2025 03:30:04 -0000 (UTC),
David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
>news:c6a57k5pt4sv2vj9g375fu844hbbgi5k2f@4ax.com:
>
>> In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:14:02 -0400, micky
>> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>>In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:55:59 -0400,
>>>Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not here.  I tried it using FF 130.0.4 64-bit with the add=on extensions
>>>>Privacy Badger and uBlock origin fully implemented.  For me, the web
>>>>page responds appropriately to every hyperlink to what the hyperlink
>>>>title leads me to expect.  Don't know what your doing Micky.  Have you
>>>>tried opening your installation of FF in what's now called "troubleshoot
>>>>mode" with all extensions, themes and custom settings temporarily
>>>>disabled?
>>>
>>>Used a barely used profile and it all worked okay, and just now, on this
>>>upstairs computer, Edge and Chrome worked fine too.
>>
>> On the downstairs, win11, Edge loaded the pages correctly, and there
>> were still pages loaded yesterday, which were wrong but when reloaded
>> were fine again.
>>
>> OTOH, Chrome, which has only two windows, one of which has only a google
>> search page and a wikipedia page, and the other had just one tab,  not
>> youtube, it still didn't work.  Just like yesterday
>>
>> So I went back to FF and it didn't work either.  I'm sure I could close
>> all the other tabs or use a new profile and it would work, but not worth
>> the effort.
>>
>> David, do you think the drivers Youtube loads in Firefox could also mess
>> up webpages in Chrome and Edge.   Do they use the same drivers?  And
>> could loading a youtube page in Chrome or Edge mess up FF?   If so, it's
>> a good thing it doesn't happen very often.
>
>I don't know or use Chrome or Edge.  They were never useful to me and
>quickly ignored for FF.  Been with FF almost from its start.  I grew up

Me too.

>with the browser wars and thus hated supporting web apps.
>
>I was a career computer developer and well aware of what your computer or
>your "phone" can do behind your back.  For your security please keep the
>lowest number of tabs/pages open and when not in use -- close the
>application.  I understand that my wife loves her iPhone and FB crap.  It
>didn't phase her that I was able to take a photo and recording with her
>iPhone without ever touching it.  It scared me how easy it was.  Any
>"script kiddie" can do it.  I didn't even need to use my experience
>breaking into computers!
>
>Win 10 is 50% spyware.  Win 11 about 98%.  Don't trust anything cloud-based
>to keep your information private.  If it has a microphone, camera, or other
>such technology -- it can and likely has been used against you.

I don't use the cloud, though I wish I could get One Drive to stop
trying to put in a startup program (Anvir notifies me and I quarentine
it.  I wonder if deleting it would be any better,  I think it would
still keep asking.)

My camera is disabled in Device Manager, except if there a zoom session
where I want it (and that has lots it's novelty even for the HOA
meetings.

I do like very much that I found out that Whatsapp will run on the PC
even when the phone is not on, and I can sned and receive texts and
voice calls with those who have whatsapp.  In fact I'm using it right
now and though I despise texting, my friend, after 50 years in the USA,
still has a pretty thick French accent, but not when she writes. So with
her writing is better than talking.   Programs that use the regular
dialar like Phone Link and My Phone Explorer are very helpful to but
they do require the phone to be on.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
news:c6a57k5pt4sv2vj9g375fu844hbbgi5k2f@4ax.com:

> In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 13:14:02 -0400, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>>In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:55:59 -0400,
>>Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Not here.  I tried it using FF 130.0.4 64-bit with the add=on extensions
>>>Privacy Badger and uBlock origin fully implemented.  For me, the web
>>>page responds appropriately to every hyperlink to what the hyperlink
>>>title leads me to expect.  Don't know what your doing Micky.  Have you
>>>tried opening your installation of FF in what's now called "troubleshoot
>>>mode" with all extensions, themes and custom settings temporarily
>>>disabled?
>>
>>Used a barely used profile and it all worked okay, and just now, on this
>>upstairs computer, Edge and Chrome worked fine too.
>
> On the downstairs, win11, Edge loaded the pages correctly, and there
> were still pages loaded yesterday, which were wrong but when reloaded
> were fine again.
>
> OTOH, Chrome, which has only two windows, one of which has only a google
> search page and a wikipedia page, and the other had just one tab,  not
> youtube, it still didn't work.  Just like yesterday
>
> So I went back to FF and it didn't work either.  I'm sure I could close
> all the other tabs or use a new profile and it would work, but not worth
> the effort.
>
> David, do you think the drivers Youtube loads in Firefox could also mess
> up webpages in Chrome and Edge.   Do they use the same drivers?  And
> could loading a youtube page in Chrome or Edge mess up FF?   If so, it's
> a good thing it doesn't happen very often.

I don't know or use Chrome or Edge.  They were never useful to me and
quickly ignored for FF.  Been with FF almost from its start.  I grew up
with the browser wars and thus hated supporting web apps.

I was a career computer developer and well aware of what your computer or
your "phone" can do behind your back.  For your security please keep the
lowest number of tabs/pages open and when not in use -- close the
application.  I understand that my wife loves her iPhone and FB crap.  It
didn't phase her that I was able to take a photo and recording with her
iPhone without ever touching it.  It scared me how easy it was.  Any
"script kiddie" can do it.  I didn't even need to use my experience
breaking into computers!

Win 10 is 50% spyware.  Win 11 about 98%.  Don't trust anything cloud-based
to keep your information private.  If it has a microphone, camera, or other
such technology -- it can and likely has been used against you.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
news:d7457kp1rg8scl0ksrl0a7n8iugfi06lm2@4ax.com:

> In alt.comp.software.firefox, on Sat, 12 Jul 2025 05:47:54 -0000 (UTC),
> David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote in
>>news:kgf07k1p2d0gi4fal3m4iojsgj0joqm98p@4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>> This is the public site for the named country club, yet when you go any
>>> of its sections in Firefox, all you can see is a picture, and you can't
>>> scroll below it
>>> https://www.invitedclubs.com/clubs/prestonwood-country-club
>>>
>>> It has entries near the top for Our Story, Golf, Amenities, Membership,
>>> all of them are just one picture (except Golf that has L & R buttons to
>>> see other pictures.
>>>
>>> So I thought maybe this is a problem with FF, and I looked on Edge and
>>> Chrome.  Heck, it's even worse there.  You can only see the top half of
>>> the picture.  For Golf, the L & R buttons are gone and you can only see
>>> the sky.
>>>
>>> How come these people*** can't afford a decent webpage?
>>>
>>> "Members and nonmembers are welcome to book events with us." So the
>>> webpage is meant for everyone, not just those who log in.
>>>
>>>
>>> ***My brother lives a half block from this place, and he's a doctor and
>>> make a bunch of money, and he has an expensive house with a pool in an
>>> expensive neighborhood, though he's not interested in clubs or golf.
>>> Still I was looking at his street on the map and curious about what I
>>> had found down the block when I was visiting him.
>>
>>I use FF 64-bit esr on my Win 7 Pro machine.  Ads are generally blocked
by
>>AdBlock.  No other extensions to FF.  FF reports it is version 115.25.0
>>esr.  Win 7 Pro still gets daily updates for the build in scanner but not
>>for any apps, since I don't have any installed.  All scripting options
>>within FF are disabled.
>>
>>The web page above displays well and appears fully functional.  There is
a
>>pop-up movie ad for the site that works, but had to be closed to see and
>>use the web page underneath.
>
> I don't get any pop-ups either!
>>
>>BTW, I occasionally see the described misbehavior when one of the early
FF
>>Tabs has rendered a YouTube video with what can only be described as lots
>>of drivers to disble the scroll keys and arrow buttons.
>
> I almost always have youtube tabs and unless I just restarted FF,
> usually one of them has been opened.  Now that neither windows nor FF
> crash much, they can both be open for 5 or more days (wiht some sleeping
> or hibernating in between), so almost all the time a youtube video will
> have run some time earlier.    -- Though I don't know what you mean
> about disablling scroll keys and arrow buttons.  The left and right
> arrows always work in youtube to skip backward and forward, and there
> are no scroll bars in full-screen mode, and in other modes the vertical
> scroll bar works.
>
>>  This may also be
>>YT's attempt to keep me from bypassing ads in the videos, which it hasn't
>>figured out how to do yet.
>
> Hey, how do you do that?   I used to use something-video-enhancer, but a
> couple years ago they made the author revert to an earlier version that
> didn't skip ads.

My only browser is FF.  Now up to date thanks to esr becoming available.  I
refuse to log in to anything.  FF plus AdBlock Free from years ago is most
of it.  Also disable ALL scripting options in your browser.  Those were
hacked many decades ago.

>>  Any tabs created after the malicious drivers
>>are installed inherit the bad behavior, especially being unable to scroll
>>down.
>
> That would account for it, and I certainly would never have suspected
> Youtube.  This also, I think, shows the advantage of talking to people
> instead of so-called AI.  I doubt if any AI now or even later could have
> considered all the factors I brought up, (Although if it read your post,
> maybe it would cite it.)

Never ever trust anything AI!  LLMs look more human than my 1980's Eliza
implementation.  They (thankfully) don't understand anything yet, including
what they just told you on Google.  It is just advanced language
manipulation.

<snip>