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On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 08:55:06 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 22:50:27 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>
>>>Lucifer <LuciferMorningstar@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a desktop computer with an i5 quad core without hyperthreading
>>>> and with eight gigs RAM.
>>>> The desktop gives 5888 with geekbench 2.4.
>>>> I have a laptop with an i7 quad core with hyperthreading  and with
>>>> four gigs RAM.
>>>> The laptop gives 7415 with geekbench 2.4.
>>>>
>>>> Yet the laptop seems slower. It takes longer to start.
>>>> Is that only because it has less RAM? Would it be worth me upgrading
>>>> the RAM?
>>>
>>>https://www.geekbench.com/
>>>
>>>I see no mention of benchmarking the storage media (HDD, SSD).  You
>>>don't mention what type (HDD or SSD) of drive you desktop and laptop
>>>computers use.
>>
>> Speccy says the laptop uses
>> 596GB Western Digital WDC WD6400BPVT-75HXZT1 (SATA)
>> and the desktop uses
>> 931GB Western Digital WDC WD10EARS-00YSB1 ATA Device (SATA)
>>
>> Could it be programs running in the background on the laptop?
>> I will run Startup Control.
>
>
>In your desktop, the WD10EARS-00YSB1 is a 5400 RPM 1TB HDD, but it's a
>"green" drive.  It supports SATA-2 3 Gbps.
>
>  Note: I never use green HDDs in my builds.  They contain firmware to
>  put them to sleep.  In hosts where they were hosts, backup programs
>  sometimes failed because of the HDD going to sleep and not waking up
>  fast enough.  The backup job gets busy compressing a huge file, the
>  green drive goes to sleep, then the backup program expects the drive
>  to be immediately available to copy the compressed file but the drive
>  doesn't react fast enough, so the backup fails.  Swapped out the green
>  drive with a blue (5400 RPM) or black (7200 RPM) and the backup
>  failures went away.  If you haven't encountered problems with the
>  green drive's lag to spin up, it's not an issue for you.

I have a WD Purple 2 TB. Would that be better than the green?

>In your laptop, the WD6400BPVT-75HXZT1 is a 5400 RPM 640 GB HDD, and a
>"blue" drive.  It supports SATA-2 3.0 Gbps.
>
>While your HDDs support SATA3 doesn't mean your desktop or laptop do.

I suspect the laptop drive is slower than the desktop drive.

>When was the last time you ran a defrag on your HDDs?  While Windows 10
>runs a background defrag on Windows startup and also has one scheduled
>(Task Scheduler -> Task Scheduler Library -> Microsoft -> Windows ->
>Defrag), that doesn't mean the computer was powered up or out of
>hibernation at the scheduled time, and boot-time defrag only works on a
>reboot, not from a resume from hibernation.

I have not done a defrag on either.
The desktop has a fresh install of Windows 10.
The laptop was upgraded from Windows 7.

>I agree with Paul that the benchmark probably takes into account the 4
>extra HT cores in its performance testing.  That the benchmark uses the
>cores for deeper concurrent parallelism doesn't mean your programs do.
>Go into the UEFI/BIOS and disable hyperthreading.  Your laptop will be
>back to a 4-core count, the same as for your desktop, and then re-run
>the benchmark.  While that will put the desktop and laptop on similar
>foundation with the same core count, the laptop's CPU is still a mobile
>version of the i7.  To reduce heat and save on battery power, the mobile
>version will tend to throttle itself.

I will try that.

>  Note: I've not ever used that benchmark program.  You might want to
>  try something more well known, like Passmark.  You might also want to
>  run HD Tune for a disk benchmark on both computers.  Just because the
>  drives have similar specs doesn't mean the motherboards do, like one
>  might have better I/O performance, say, for the data bus.  DO NOT RUN
>  the write test as that is destructive (wipes the HDD).  Per their
>  version comparison at https://www.hdtune.com/download.html, the write
>  test is disabled in the freeware version.
>
>Startup programs definitely have an impact on responsiveness.  The more
>processes that are running then the more context switches there are and
>the CPU has less time per processes (disregarding priority).  You could
>use Task Manager's Startup tab to disable the startup programs (no 3rd
>party tool needed) and retest both your computers.  That's when you also
>decide if you really need all those startup programs.  I also go through
>the services (services.msc) to check which ones I can stop and disable.
>For example, AMD likes to install their hotkey poller service but it is
>superfluous if you never want to use their hotkeys to effect changes to
>your video settings.  Lots of programs install services that the dev
>thinks you just must have but are superfluous.  They wrote it, so it
>just must be highly critical ... yeah, right (roll eyes).
>
>While unused system RAM is wasted RAM, you still want some reserved for
>when you later load other programs.  That you have less RAM in your
>laptop than in your desktop doesn't mean it isn't enough.  Go into Task
>Manager, Performance tab, and check how much unused memory you have
>after a reboot of Windows.

Thanks for the info.