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Mark Carter wrote:
> Pricelessware:
> http://www.pricelessware.org
>
> Pricelessware Home:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
>
> acf Posting Tips:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
>
> Ware Glossary:
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php
>
> alt.comp.freeware FAQ:
> http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html

Hmmmm, *this* is not exactly what I mean. Sorry.

Just an other suggestion:

"Welcome, dear reader (lurker) and/or contributor to alt.comp.freeware.

In this Usenet-group we discuss *freeware*. A definition of *freeware*
can be found at the Ware Glossary at
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php, and the FAQ of
this group at http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html. We all
highly appreciate when everybody discuss *freeware* only.

When you like to contribute to this group, we recommend that you read
the 'acf Posting Tips' first. Those tips can be found at
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php.

Once a year all members of this group (contributors and 'lurkers')
choose the best freeware programs available on the net. These elections
are held in the last quarter of each year. The results of last year's
vote can be found at the Pricelessware sites:
http://www.pricelessware.org and http://www.pricelesswarehome.org.

This Usenet-group is an unmoderated group. This means that there is no
'boss' around here. But it also means that everybody is entitled to
send an abuse to the ISP of a poster when he/she 'trolls' or 'spams'
this group.

This group is one of the three groups dedicated to *freeware*. The
other groups are alt.comp.freeware.discussion (for general discussions
about freeware) and alt.comp.freeware.games (for the discussion of
freeware games).

A lot of the links to freeware programs mentioned in this group are
collected and published on the 'Links to Freeware'-page at
http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/.

This message is posted on a weekly basis and is intented to be at the
service of new visitors to this group."


Something like this?

With kind regards,

--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
hmdejong_NO_SPAM_@hccnet.nl (Remove _NO_SPAM_)
'Links to Freeware'
http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/
http://www.linkstofreeware.vze.com/
http://home.hccnet.nl/hmdejong/

Henk de Jong wrote:

> Hmmmm, *this* is not exactly what I mean. Sorry.

Understood. That post is just a temporary continuation of the the links
posts I've been making - until we get the language of the welcome
message worked out.

Your draft looks like a good start to me. Thanks Henk.

I suggest we name the message "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware".

Comments and suggestions from the group please.

FYI - the message will be posted once a week for the benefit of
newcomers to the ACF newsgroup.

Susan

*******************************************************

"Welcome to alt.comp.freeware"

*******************************************************

> "Welcome, dear reader (lurker) and/or contributor to alt.comp.freeware.
>
> In this Usenet-group we discuss *freeware*. A definition of *freeware*
> can be found at the Ware Glossary at
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php, and the FAQ of
> this group at http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html. We all
> highly appreciate when everybody discuss *freeware* only.
>
> When you like to contribute to this group, we recommend that you read
> the 'acf Posting Tips' first. Those tips can be found at
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php.
>
> Once a year all members of this group (contributors and 'lurkers')
> choose the best freeware programs available on the net. These elections
> are held in the last quarter of each year. The results of last year's
> vote can be found at the Pricelessware sites:
> http://www.pricelessware.org and http://www.pricelesswarehome.org.
>
> This Usenet-group is an unmoderated group. This means that there is no
> 'boss' around here. But it also means that everybody is entitled to send
> an abuse to the ISP of a poster when he/she 'trolls' or 'spams' this group.
>
> This group is one of the three groups dedicated to *freeware*. The other
> groups are alt.comp.freeware.discussion (for general discussions about
> freeware) and alt.comp.freeware.games (for the discussion of freeware
> games).
>
> A lot of the links to freeware programs mentioned in this group are
> collected and published on the 'Links to Freeware'-page at
> http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/.
>
> This message is posted on a weekly basis and is intented to be at the
> service of new visitors to this group."

*********************

> Mark Carter wrote:
>
>> Pricelessware:
...

Henk de Jong wrote:

> Hmmmm, *this* is not exactly what I mean. Sorry.
>
> Just an other suggestion:
...

Please note that I am now back at work, so further discussions on this
matter might well be missed by me.

I'm not sure how we're all going to sort out what the text should be. My
instincts are to stand back from the argument, let everyone else discuss
it between themselves, and then post whatever text the group finally
agree upon.

Henk de Jong wrote:

> Just an other suggestion:
...

Also, to throw my 2p into the pot, I think the Green Eggs Report might
also be a useful resource for people. And the link to search Google acf
would be a useful resource, too. These would be good resources to
mention. Alternatively, a good place to put them would be on a
Pricelessware(home) Resources page. The weekly message could link to
that instead.

Henk de Jong wrote:

>> I suggest we name the message "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware".
>
> That's fine to me.
>
>> Comments and suggestions from the group please.
>
> Maybe we need another thread for this. One that must have the attention
> from all in here.

I agree - if it's okay with you I'll start this thread:

Subject: Proposed "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware" message

and include your draft of the message, references to the previous
threads etc. in my post.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Mark Carter wrote on 24-8-2004 :
> Henk de Jong wrote:
>
>> Just an other suggestion:
> ...
>
> Also, to throw my 2p into the pot, I think the Green Eggs Report might also
> be a useful resource for people. And the link to search Google acf would be a
> useful resource, too. These would be good resources to mention.
> Alternatively, a good place to put them would be on a Pricelessware(home)
> Resources page. The weekly message could link to that instead.

Yes, that is a good suggestion. Maybe we could add them.

I like to see some opinions from others in this group.

With kind regards,

--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
hmdejong_NO_SPAM_@hccnet.nl (Remove _NO_SPAM_)
'Links to Freeware'
http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/
http://www.linkstofreeware.vze.com/
http://home.hccnet.nl/hmdejong/

Henk de Jong wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:

>> I agree - if it's okay with you I'll start this thread:
>>
>> Subject: Proposed "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware" message
>>
>> and include your draft of the message, references to the previous
>> threads etc. in my post.
>
> All Right. Let's go for it :-)

done. :)

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher wrote on 24-8-2004 :
> Henk de Jong wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm, *this* is not exactly what I mean. Sorry.
>
> Understood. That post is just a temporary continuation of the the links posts
> I've been making - until we get the language of the welcome message worked
> out.

Also understood here :-)

>
> Your draft looks like a good start to me. Thanks Henk.

You're welcome Susan.

>
> I suggest we name the message "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware".

That's fine to me.

>
> Comments and suggestions from the group please.

Maybe we need another thread for this. One that must have the attention
from all in here.

>
> FYI - the message will be posted once a week for the benefit of newcomers to
> the ACF newsgroup.
>
> Susan
>
> *******************************************************
>
> "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware"
>
> *******************************************************
>
>> "Welcome, dear reader (lurker) and/or contributor to alt.comp.freeware.
>>
>> In this Usenet-group we discuss *freeware*. A definition of *freeware* can
>> be found at the Ware Glossary at
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php, and the FAQ of this
>> group at http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html. We all highly
>> appreciate when everybody discuss *freeware* only.
>>
>> When you like to contribute to this group, we recommend that you read the
>> 'acf Posting Tips' first. Those tips can be found at
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php.
>>
>> Once a year all members of this group (contributors and 'lurkers') choose
>> the best freeware programs available on the net. These elections are held
>> in the last quarter of each year. The results of last year's vote can be
>> found at the Pricelessware sites: http://www.pricelessware.org and
>> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org.
>>
>> This Usenet-group is an unmoderated group. This means that there is no
>> 'boss' around here. But it also means that everybody is entitled to send an
>> abuse to the ISP of a poster when he/she 'trolls' or 'spams' this group.
>>
>> This group is one of the three groups dedicated to *freeware*. The other
>> groups are alt.comp.freeware.discussion (for general discussions about
>> freeware) and alt.comp.freeware.games (for the discussion of freeware
>> games).
>>
>> A lot of the links to freeware programs mentioned in this group are
>> collected and published on the 'Links to Freeware'-page at
>> http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/.
>>
>> This message is posted on a weekly basis and is intented to be at the
>> service of new visitors to this group."
>
> *********************

Maybe we should add the suggestion from Mark too.

With kind regards,

--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
hmdejong_NO_SPAM_@hccnet.nl (Remove _NO_SPAM_)
'Links to Freeware'
http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/
http://www.linkstofreeware.vze.com/
http://home.hccnet.nl/hmdejong/

Susan Bugher wrote:
> Henk de Jong wrote:
>
>>> I suggest we name the message "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware".
>>
>> That's fine to me.
>>
>>> Comments and suggestions from the group please.
>>
>> Maybe we need another thread for this. One that must have the attention
>> from all in here.
>
> I agree - if it's okay with you I'll start this thread:
>
> Subject: Proposed "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware" message
>
> and include your draft of the message, references to the previous threads
> etc. in my post.
>

All Right. Let's go for it :-)

With kind regards,

--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
hmdejong_NO_SPAM_@hccnet.nl (Remove _NO_SPAM_)
'Links to Freeware'
http://www.linkstofreeware.nl/
http://www.linkstofreeware.vze.com/
http://home.hccnet.nl/hmdejong/

"Susan Bugher" <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in message
news:10ime82pboko5d1@corp.supernews.com...
> Henk de Jong wrote:
>
> > Hmmmm, *this* is not exactly what I mean. Sorry.
>
> Understood. That post is just a temporary continuation of the the links
> posts I've been making - until we get the language of the welcome
> message worked out.
>
> Your draft looks like a good start to me. Thanks Henk.
>
> I suggest we name the message "Welcome to alt.comp.freeware".

1. I agree with Henk's draft, also inclusion of Google ACF Search link and
Green Eggs report link.
2. I suggest that the message be prefixed so that it appears at the head of
the list alphabetically, and also to give regulars something specific if
they want to filter out the message. Something like:
***Welcome to alt.comp.freeware

===

Frank Bohan
¶  When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction.

Mark Carter wrote:

Hi Mark,

Are you willing to continue automating the "alt.comp.freeware
information" posts? If you are this is a request that you drop the [VP]
filter (apologies for the confusion).

I've added info about the other acf newsgroups and an acf search link.
The revised post follows - the old post is below it (for comparison).

Susan

*************

This message is posted on a weekly basis.

alt.comp.freeware (ACF, acf) is one of three groups dedicated to
freeware. The other groups are:
alt.comp.freeware.games (ACFG)
alt.comp.freeware.discussion

Search alt.comp.freeware
http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search?dq=&num0&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&group=alt.comp.freeware&safe=off&scoring=d

Pricelessware information
http://www.pricelessware.org
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org

acf information
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Index.php

acf Members Sites
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Members.php
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/linksacf.htm

acf FAQ
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html

acfWiki
http://www.markcarter.me.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AcfWiki

***********
(old post)

 > Pricelessware:
 > http://www.pricelessware.org
 >
 > Pricelessware Home:
 > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
 >
 > acf Posting Tips:
 > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
 >
 > Ware Glossary:
 > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/WareGlossary.php
 >
 > alt.comp.freeware FAQ:
 > http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html

***********

Mark Carter wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> Done. All adjustments made as requested; and will be effective from the
> next post.

Thanks Mark.  :)

> Not sure what the procedure should be regarding future revisions.

Standard Operating Procedure => Post the suggested
addition/revision/deletion. Discussion to follow as needed.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher wrote:
> Mark Carter wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Are you willing to continue automating the "alt.comp.freeware
> information" posts?

Yes

> If you are this is a request that you drop the [VP]
...
> The revised post follows - the old post is below it (for comparison).
...

Done. All adjustments made as requested; and will be effective from the
next post.

Not sure what the procedure should be regarding future revisions.

One way of reaching consensus about revisions in future I thought might
work is for people to declare their interest in performing revisions,
and then keep passing round successive drafts in a continuous circle
until no more revisions are made. Whatever version remains after the
rounds are made is the one that makes it to the release. The potential
problem I see with this system is that when a stalemate is reached
between 2 entrenched positions.

Susan Bugher wrote:

>> Not sure what the procedure should be regarding future revisions.

> Standard Operating Procedure => Post the suggested
> addition/revision/deletion. Discussion to follow as needed.

Fair enough. A simple majority vote to supercede the previous standard
posting would, I hope, be regarded as fair and acceptable. I trust that
is agreeable to all; or at least the majority.

It would be nice so that the post wasn't considered set in stone; but
without changing it willy-nilly.