🚀 go-pugleaf

Lenny Nero wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:08:14 -0400, from under the noise of black
> helicopters Susan Bugher said...
>
>
>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004 apps
>>that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as needed.
>>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>>
>>Comments please.

> Every one I could think of was there, just would the DUN manager be
> classed as a down/up load amount tool like DU meter (Not free) or down 2
> home ?

Down2Home is a Bandwidth Monitor:

http://jitserv.coolfreepage.com/index2.htm

Down2Home

Down2Home 1.3 is a program that monitors your ADSL/Cablemodem/Dialup
traffic and provides you with usefull statistics about the amount of
data your PC has transferred.

Use it to see what's happening on your Dial-up/DSL or Cable connected on
your PC. Check if there is data transferred when you don't want
it.(Spyware, backdoors, whatever) Or use it to keep control over your
transfer volume...

--------

A DUN manager is different. The INTERNET DUN Manager on PL2004 is NetLaunch:

NetLaunch
(Freeware)
Windows OS: Windows 95/98/ME/NT/2000/XP
Languages: English, many other languages (v 3.14E)
Description: NetLaunch allows you to start and shutdown applications
whenever you connect and disconnect from the internet via Dial-Up
Networking. It allows you to schedule connections and disconnections,
and can automatically fill-in your password and press the Connect button
for you. It also gives you a handy place to keep all your popular
Internet applications.
Author: -- Company: Black Castle Software
Home Page:
http://www.blackcastlesoft.com/netlaunch/default.asp
download page v 3.14E (Win 9X/ME/NT4) (English) (nlsetup.exe) (152 KB),
v 4.00.0320 (2004-03-11) (Win 2000/XP) (English) (setup.msi) (673 KB)
http://www.blackcastlesoft.com/NetLaunch/download.asp

-------

so many apps, so *many* Subcategories. . .   ;)

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Lenny Nero wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:57:40 -0400, from under the noise of black
> helicopters Susan Bugher said...

>>Lenny Nero wrote:

>>>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:08:14 -0400, from under the noise of black
>>>helicopters Susan Bugher said...

>>>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
>>>>apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as
>>>>needed.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php

>>Down2Home is a Bandwidth Monitor:

> It was just that I could not where that sort of thing would go in your
> list.

If you're wondering about a category for a *specific* freeware app see
if it's on this list (click the app's link to get to its
Category/Subcategory page).

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_ProgramIndex.php

and/or use this page as a guideline:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_CategoryIndex.php

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:08:14 -0400, from under the noise of black
helicopters Susan Bugher said...

> This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004 apps
> that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as needed.
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> Comments please.
>
> Susan

Every one I could think of was there, just would the DUN manager be
classed as a down/up load amount tool like DU meter (Not free) or down 2
home ?

L.
--

A sad view of the future,
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:57:40 -0400, from under the noise of black
helicopters Susan Bugher said...

> Lenny Nero wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:08:14 -0400, from under the noise of black
>> helicopters Susan Bugher said...
>>
>>
>>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
>>>apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as
>>>needed.
>>>
>>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>>>
>>>Comments please.
>
>> Every one I could think of was there, just would the DUN manager be
>> classed as a down/up load amount tool like DU meter (Not free) or down
>> 2 home ?
>
> Down2Home is a Bandwidth Monitor:
>
[...]

It was just that I could not where that sort of thing would go in your
list.

I want to go as free and open as I can but DUmeter is good... I just dont
want it on the new box and down 2 home was the only other I had found so
far, I do admit that I have not looked 'that' hard as yet :)

L.
--

A sad view of the future,
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html

Susan Bugher wrote:

> This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
> apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added
> as needed.
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> Comments please.
>
> Susan

Ok, you are asking for comments, right?  I mean, if I come back with
some comment, suggestions, are you going to treat me like in the other
thread where you asked for comments to your suggestions, I did, and
then you got snippy with me.  Don't ask for comments if you're not
going to read them and use them.

Otherwise, I'm going over the list and will have some
comments/suggestions wihtin a day or so.  Unless there's a cutoff on
when you will stop taking comments?

-Garrett

Susan Bugher wrote:

> Garrett wrote:
>
> > Susan Bugher wrote:
> >
> > > This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> > > PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories
> > > will be added as needed.
> > >
> > > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> > Ok, you are asking for comments, right?  I mean, if I come back with
> > some comment, suggestions, are you going to treat me like in the
> > other thread where you asked for comments to your suggestions, I
> > did, and then you got snippy with me.  Don't ask for comments if
> > you're not going to read them and use them.
>
> I'll read and discuss comments from you and others. The goal is to
> reach agreement. I'm looking for a group consensus - not a fight.

I'm not looking for a fight either.  But when I disagreed with you in
the other thread, you got a bit snippy with me about it.  I only wanted
to leave my comment in with the others, that was all.

> > Otherwise, I'm going over the list and will have some
> > comments/suggestions wihtin a day or so.  Unless there's a cutoff on
> > when you will stop taking comments?
>
> It would be nice to have subcategories resolved prior to the start of
> nominations and discussion (Oct.1) - so that the apps can be
> discussed in the proper threads. Probably won't happen though. . .
> :)

Thank you... I will definitely have this in before then.  I'd rather
try to get all the small things out of the way before you get busy with
the noms and votes.  :-)

And please, when I do post back on this, please don't get upset by it.
I'm sure that you'll disagree with some of it, but it's only
suggestions and not a demand or an insult or such.  All I ask is that
my suggestions or comments are treated as fairly as everyone else's
here.  Nobody should get jumped or treated unjustly when they are
merely responding in proper.

-Garrett

Garrett wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
>>apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added
>>as needed.
>>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php

> Ok, you are asking for comments, right?  I mean, if I come back with
> some comment, suggestions, are you going to treat me like in the other
> thread where you asked for comments to your suggestions, I did, and
> then you got snippy with me.  Don't ask for comments if you're not
> going to read them and use them.

I'll read and discuss comments from you and others. The goal is to reach
agreement. I'm looking for a group consensus - not a fight.

> Otherwise, I'm going over the list and will have some
> comments/suggestions wihtin a day or so.  Unless there's a cutoff on
> when you will stop taking comments?

It would be *nice* to have subcategories resolved prior to the start of
nominations and discussion (Oct.1) - so that the apps can be discussed
in the proper threads. Probably won't happen though. . .   :)

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher wrote:

> This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
> apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as
> needed.
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> Comments please.
>
> Susan

Comment. I think Business-Home are two seperate categories.
Suggestion. Home broken into Hobbies & Home:
(Yes, I said this last year.)

Home: e-Sword
There's always someone asking for a cross-stitch program. If someone brings
up a nomination for such there would be a (sub)category for it.

Astronomy: Cartes du Ciel (Sky Charts) and others that people mention
frequently. Cellestia, Stellarium. The last two also availble in other OS

Musician's Tools: AP Guitar tuner, K3Guitune. Guitar Effects - Stompbox,
GNuitar, etc
We get a lot of requests for a synthesizer(always that same guy), sheet
music forms and guitar tab writing software.

VanBasco's Karaoke Player (OMG)

B*by*w*re - Uhhh. never mind that one.

It would a surprise or very hard for the people that the list is intended
for to find such programs.

I only bring this up for clarities sake.
I realize that the list can't be an all-encompassing entity for there may
not be enough votes or interests in these catagories.

If I'm OT on this thread just tell me and crawl back into the hole where I
came from. :)
--
°¿°
http://www.earths-ocular.com/

dszady wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> > This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> > PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will
> > be added as needed.
> >
> > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
> >
> > Comments please.
> >
> > Susan
>
> Comment. I think Business-Home are two seperate categories.
> Suggestion. Home broken into Hobbies & Home:
> (Yes, I said this last year.)

I agree with you on this one.  I was going to suggest MISCELLANEOUS
though since there really wan't a whole lot for HOME specifically.  But
HOME-HOBBY on the the other hand allows for some other programs fit in
there much better... Good choice Dszady!

[snip]

> B*by*w*re - Uhhh. never mind that one.

Ah! thats a fighting word there!!!  Don't Do It!!

> It would a surprise or very hard for the people that the list is
> intended for to find such programs.
>
> I only bring this up for clarities sake.
> I realize that the list can't be an all-encompassing entity for there
> may not be enough votes or interests in these catagories.
>
> If I'm OT on this thread just tell me and crawl back into the hole
> where I came from. :)


-Garrett

Garrett <justsayno@tospam.net> wrote in message
news:xn0dm7aig45wxfd006@news.comcast.giganews.com...
> dszady wrote:
>
> > Susan Bugher wrote:
> >
> > > This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> > > PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will
> > > be added as needed.
> > >
> > > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
> > >
> > > Comments please.
> > >
> > > Susan
> >
> > Comment. I think Business-Home are two seperate categories.
> > Suggestion. Home broken into Hobbies & Home:
> > (Yes, I said this last year.)
>
> I agree with you on this one.  I was going to suggest MISCELLANEOUS
> though since there really wan't a whole lot for HOME specifically.  But
> HOME-HOBBY on the the other hand allows for some other programs fit in
> there much better... Good choice Dszady!
>
> [snip]

> >
> > If I'm OT on this thread just tell me and crawl back into the hole
> > where I came from. :)
>
> -Garrett

Question: How about a catagory for " Health- Fittness - Medical " programs?
Possibly as a
sub catagory to "Home"?  I don't think of this as a "hobby" though.

OhnO the Clown wrote:

>
> Garrett <justsayno@tospam.net> wrote in message
> news:xn0dm7aig45wxfd006@news.comcast.giganews.com...
> > dszady wrote:
> >
> > > Susan Bugher wrote:
> > >
> > > > This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> > > > PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories
> > > > will be added as needed.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
> > > >
> > > > Comments please.
> > > >
> > > > Susan
> > >
> > > Comment. I think Business-Home are two seperate categories.
> > > Suggestion. Home broken into Hobbies & Home:
> > > (Yes, I said this last year.)
> >
> > I agree with you on this one.  I was going to suggest MISCELLANEOUS
> > though since there really wan't a whole lot for HOME specifically.
> > But HOME-HOBBY on the the other hand allows for some other programs
> > fit in there much better... Good choice Dszady!
> >
> > [snip]
>
> > >
> > > If I'm OT on this thread just tell me and crawl back into the hole
> > > where I came from. :)
> >
> > -Garrett
>
> Question: How about a catagory for " Health- Fittness - Medical "
> programs?  Possibly as a
> sub catagory to "Home"?  I don't think of this as a "hobby" though.

I'd second that one too! Already have a good candidate in mind, which
was mentioned here quite some times.

Dick

dszady wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>
>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
>>apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as
>>needed.
>>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php

> Comment. I think Business-Home are two seperate categories.
> Suggestion. Home broken into Hobbies & Home:
> (Yes, I said this last year.)
 >
> Home: e-Sword
> There's always someone asking for a cross-stitch program. If someone brings
> up a nomination for such there would be a (sub)category for it.

IMO we should add subcategories to the Nominations list when program
descriptions are submitted rather than try to anticipate all possible
nominations now. IIRC I have 900+ subcategories on the acf Program Info
pages - I think most programs that will be nominated already are in a
subcategory on those pages. That should be a good starting point - and
it should make category placement easier than it was last year.

> Astronomy: Cartes du Ciel (Sky Charts) and others that people mention
> frequently. Cellestia, Stellarium. The last two also availble in other OS

These were "orphans". They used to be in DESKTOP. . .

> Musician's Tools: AP Guitar tuner, K3Guitune. Guitar Effects - Stompbox,
> GNuitar, etc
> We get a lot of requests for a synthesizer(always that same guy), sheet
> music forms and guitar tab writing software.
>
> VanBasco's Karaoke Player (OMG)

Those are Multi-Media apps.

> B*by*w*re - Uhhh. never mind that one.
>
> It would a surprise or very hard for the people that the list is intended
> for to find such programs.

The hardest program to find seems to be the OCR app. . .

I don't know any *good* place for it - but trust the search boxes will
help. . .

> I only bring this up for clarities sake.
> I realize that the list can't be an all-encompassing entity for there may
> not be enough votes or interests in these catagories.
>
> If I'm OT on this thread just tell me and crawl back into the hole where I
> came from. :)

Dead on target for this thread.  :)

This is the PL2004 distribution of programs.

14 BUSINESS-HOME
12 DESKTOP
32 FILE UTILITIES
17 GRAPHICS
57 INTERNET
15 MULTIMEDIA
23 ORGANIZERS
13 PROGRAMMING
19 SECURITY
36 SYSTEM UTILITIES
13 TEXT
10 WEB DESIGN

These are the PL2004 BUSINESS-HOME apps:

1	ESBCalc
2	Convert
3	Sphygmic Spreadsheet
4	OpenOffice.org
5	WordWeb
6	All-Purpose Spell Checker (APSC)
7	Ragtime Solo
8	Extended Character Map
9	AllChars
10	The Font Thing
11	X-Fonter
12	Graph Paper Printer
13	Cartes du Ciel (Sky Charts)
14	e-Sword

BUSINESS-HOME is one of the smaller pages. We only have two *strictly*
"hobby" apps on that page. The other "hobby" apps are in GRAPHICS (17)
AND MULTI-MEDIA (15).

IMO we need to consider the apps that ACF *actually* does select as
Pricelessware when we talk about Category pages - rather than programs
we *could* select.

PL2005 probably won't be a whole lot different from PL2004. Could you
tell us which PL2004 apps you would move? (The Program Index page can be
sorted on the Category-Subcategory columnn.) What would be where? How
many apps would be on the different pages?

IMO the present Categories are reasonably satisfactory - before we make
a change I'd like to be sure it will be an improvement.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

H.M.A. (Dick) Hazeleger wrote:

> OhnO the Clown wrote:
>
>
>>Garrett <justsayno@tospam.net> wrote in message
>>news:xn0dm7aig45wxfd006@news.comcast.giganews.com...
>>
>>>dszady wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Susan Bugher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
>>>>>PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories
>>>>>will be added as needed.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>>>>>
>>>>>Comments please.
>>>>>
>>>>>Susan
>>>>
>>>>Comment. I think Business-Home are two seperate categories.
>>>>Suggestion. Home broken into Hobbies & Home:
>>>>(Yes, I said this last year.)
>>>
>>>I agree with you on this one.  I was going to suggest MISCELLANEOUS
>>>though since there really wan't a whole lot for HOME specifically.
>>>But HOME-HOBBY on the the other hand allows for some other programs
>>>fit in there much better... Good choice Dszady!
>>>
>>>[snip]
>>
>>>>If I'm OT on this thread just tell me and crawl back into the hole
>>>>where I came from. :)
>>>
>>>-Garrett
>>
>>Question: How about a catagory for " Health- Fittness - Medical "
>>programs?  Possibly as a
>>sub catagory to "Home"?  I don't think of this as a "hobby" though.
>
>
> I'd second that one too! Already have a good candidate in mind, which
> was mentioned here quite some times.

"Other subcategories will be added as needed." IOW when you post the
program description we can discuss the subcategory. For suggested
subcategories see:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_CategoryIndex.php

Your app might even be listed. . .     ;)

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_BUSINESS-HOME.php#6.08Health:MedicalOrganizer
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/P_BUSINESS-HOME.php#6.08Health:WorkBreakReminders

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in message news:<10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>...
> This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
> apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as
> needed.
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> Comments please.
>
> Susan

How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
different PDA OSes and free software fo those.

»Q« wrote:

> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in
> <news:10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
>>PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will
>>be added as needed.
>>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>>
>>Comments please.
>
> Is the suggestion, in some other thread, that subcategories not be tied
> to single categories, undesirable or unworkable?  There weren't many
> responses to it, but the were supportive of the idea.

I meant to respond to that. sorry. . .

Cross-referencing always *sounds* like a good idea. . .

but. . .

There *is* a cross-reference *column* on the Program Index page:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/PL2004ProgramIndex.php

The few entries there are ones I added. No one has offered additional
suggestions. . .

PL2003 had some cross-references on the category pages - adding those
required a fair amount of additional work. Again, to the best of my
recollection - no *additional* cross-references were suggested by the
group.

ISTM that enthusiasm for the *idea* is high - willingness to help
*implement* the idea is low. . .

IMO that's because there isn't a real *need*. . .

IMO acf regulars *are* finding apps without much difficulty - and when
they can't it's usually because they don't know the name of the type of
app they're looking for. IOW - additional subcategory references
wouldn't necessarily help. IMO the Google search boxes that were
recently added to the PLH site web pages will be more help for that kind
of problem than subcategory cross-referencing.

My take on cross-referencing -> it's not worth the effort.

JMHO

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in
<news:10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>:

> This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will
> be added as needed.
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> Comments please.

Is the suggestion, in some other thread, that subcategories not be tied
to single categories, undesirable or unworkable?  There weren't many
responses to it, but the were supportive of the idea.

--
»Q«

ubaB ilagnaB wrote:

> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in message news:<10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>...
>
>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for PL2004
>>apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories will be added as
>>needed.
>>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php

> How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
> different PDA OSes and free software fo those.

Those are not goals of the Pricelessware List.

This is the way it works: you nominate an app - it is added to the
Pricelessware Nominations List in an *existing* Category (the
subcategory may be new). New sections/ pages/ categories are created
*after* there is a demonstrated need - not before.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher wrote:

> ubaB ilagnaB wrote:
>
> > Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in message
> > news:<10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> > > This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> > > PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories
> > > will be added as needed.
> > >
> > > http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>
> > How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
> > different PDA OSes and free software fo those.
>
> Those are not goals of the Pricelessware List.
>
> This is the way it works: you nominate an app - it is added to the
> Pricelessware Nominations List in an existing Category (the
> subcategory may be new). New sections/ pages/ categories are created
> after there is a demonstrated need - not before.
>
> Susan

So, I think what you are saying is that if someone nominates some PDA
apps, and if the group votes to include them, then group will just have
to figure out where to put them.  Not that PDA stuff can't be included,
just needs to be brought up by someone during the vote.  Right?

-Garrett

Garrett wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>>ubaB ilagnaB wrote:
>>
>>>Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in message
>>>news:<10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>...
>>>
>>>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
>>>>PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories
>>>>will be added as needed.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
>>
>>>How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
>>>different PDA OSes and free software fo those.
>>
>>Those are not goals of the Pricelessware List.
>>
>>This is the way it works: you nominate an app - it is added to the
>>Pricelessware Nominations List in an existing Category (the
>>subcategory may be new). New sections/ pages/ categories are created
>>after there is a demonstrated need - not before.

> So, I think what you are saying is that if someone nominates some PDA
> apps, and if the group votes to include them, then group will just have
> to figure out where to put them.  Not that PDA stuff can't be included,
> just needs to be brought up by someone during the vote.  Right?

Yup. :)

IMO the suggestion to create a PDA section now implies a change in the
PL goals as stated in the proposed Pricelessware Selection Procedures.
The goal is to nominate the best *programs*. Filling categories is *not*
a goal.

I probably should have quoted this in my reply:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/PL-Procedures.htm

<q>
Criteria for Selection

The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs of
the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The goals of the Pricelessware List do
NOT include selecting programs to fit every subcategory. The programs
picked are not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available
Freeware, but rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is best?"
</q>

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> Garrett wrote:
>
> > Susan Bugher wrote:
> >
> >>ubaB ilagnaB wrote:
> >>
> >>>Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:<10i76psppiin1e9@corp.supernews.com>...
> >>>
> >>>>This are the Categories and Subcategories I propose to use for
> >>>>PL2004 apps that are selected for PL2005. Other subcategories
> >>>>will be added as needed.
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005CategoryIndex.php
> >>
> >>>How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
> >>>different PDA OSes and free software fo those.
> >>
> >>Those are not goals of the Pricelessware List.
> >>
> >>This is the way it works: you nominate an app - it is added to the
> >>Pricelessware Nominations List in an existing Category (the
> >>subcategory may be new). New sections/ pages/ categories are created
> >>after there is a demonstrated need - not before.
>
> > So, I think what you are saying is that if someone nominates some PDA
> > apps, and if the group votes to include them, then group will just have
> > to figure out where to put them.  Not that PDA stuff can't be included,
> > just needs to be brought up by someone during the vote.  Right?
>
> Yup. :)
>
> IMO the suggestion to create a PDA section now implies a change in the
> PL goals as stated in the proposed Pricelessware Selection Procedures.
> The goal is to nominate the best *programs*. Filling categories is *not*
> a goal.
>
> I probably should have quoted this in my reply:
>
> http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/PL-Procedures.htm
>
> <q>
> Criteria for Selection
>
> The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
> Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs of
> the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The goals of the Pricelessware List do
> NOT include selecting programs to fit every subcategory. The programs
> picked are not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available
> Freeware, but rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is best?"
> </q>

And where in that text does it limit the computer type. Just as you want
to add freeware from other OS's does not PDA's full in the above
criteria?
Stan

>
> Susan
> --
> Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
> acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
> alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
> Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Stan Weiss wrote:

> Susan Bugher wrote:
>
>>>>ubaB ilagnaB wrote:

>>>>>How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
>>>>>different PDA OSes and free software fo those.

>>I probably should have quoted this in my reply:
>>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/PL-Procedures.htm
>>
>><q>
>>Criteria for Selection
>>
>>The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
>>Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs of
>>the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The goals of the Pricelessware List do
>>NOT include selecting programs to fit every subcategory. The programs
>>picked are not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available
>>Freeware, but rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is best?"
>></q>


> And where in that text does it limit the computer type.

Hi Stan,

It doesn't and I didn't say there was a such a limit.

The suggestion was "How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one
detailing all the different PDA OSes and free software fo those."

The goal is to nominate the best *programs* we can think of. You may
nominate as many programs for PDAs as you like.

but. . . under the present procedures

We *don't* add a "section on PDAs" and then try to find programs to fill
it.

We nominate *programs* and add new categories for them if necessary.

If we want to select the Pricelessware List *primarily* by category we
have to change the Pricelessware *goals*.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

I was not looking for a PDA section only if there were programs for the
PDA in some of the present categories could they be listed. From your
reply I believe the answer is yes.
Stan

Susan Bugher wrote:
>
> Stan Weiss wrote:
>
> > Susan Bugher wrote:
> >
> >>>>ubaB ilagnaB wrote:
>
> >>>>>How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one detailing all the
> >>>>>different PDA OSes and free software fo those.
>
> >>I probably should have quoted this in my reply:
> >>
> >>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/PL-Procedures.htm
> >>
> >><q>
> >>Criteria for Selection
> >>
> >>The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
> >>Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs of
> >>the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The goals of the Pricelessware List do
> >>NOT include selecting programs to fit every subcategory. The programs
> >>picked are not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available
> >>Freeware, but rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is best?"
> >></q>
>
> > And where in that text does it limit the computer type.
>
> Hi Stan,
>
> It doesn't and I didn't say there was a such a limit.
>
> The suggestion was "How about a section on PDAs. I'd like to see one
> detailing all the different PDA OSes and free software fo those."
>
> The goal is to nominate the best *programs* we can think of. You may
> nominate as many programs for PDAs as you like.
>
> but. . . under the present procedures
>
> We *don't* add a "section on PDAs" and then try to find programs to fill
> it.
>
> We nominate *programs* and add new categories for them if necessary.
>
> If we want to select the Pricelessware List *primarily* by category we
> have to change the Pricelessware *goals*.
>
> Susan
> --
> Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
> acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
> alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
> Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Stan Weiss wrote:

> I was not looking for a PDA section only if there were programs for the
> PDA in some of the present categories could they be listed. From your
> reply I believe the answer is yes.

The answer *is* yes. They don't have to be in a *present* category. It's
the *program* that gets nominated.

Note: There is one prohibited category. Games have not been considered
eligible because they are discussed in alt.comp.freeware.games - I think
I forgot to include that in the proposed PL procedures - will revise the
procedures if necessary to include that bit of info.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Stan Weiss <srweiss@erols.com> wrote in news:4127879F.31EE9D33@erols.com:

>> <q>
>> Criteria for Selection
>>
>> The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
>> Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs
of
>> the readers of alt.comp.freeware. The goals of the Pricelessware List
do
>> NOT include selecting programs to fit every subcategory. The programs
>> picked are not meant to be an exhaustive list of the best available
>> Freeware, but rather an answer to the often asked "which _____ is
best?"
>> </q>
>
> And where in that text does it limit the computer type. Just as you
want
> to add freeware from other OS's does not PDA's full in the above
> criteria?
> Stan
>

It doesn't. It is my understanding that PDA freeware could indeed be
nominated. If it gets seconded and people vote that it should be
included, then it would be. At least that's how I understand the current
procedure.

--
burnr
http://freeware4u.com
http://shelbina-info.com

MLC wrote:
> _Susan Bugher_, sabato 21/ago/2004:
>
>
>>Note: There is one prohibited category. Games have not been considered
>>eligible because they are discussed in alt.comp.freeware.games - I think
>>I forgot to include that in the proposed PL procedures - will revise the
>>procedures if necessary to include that bit of info.
>
>
> Shouldn't we think again about it?
> The Criteria for Selection are:
>
> "The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
> Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs of
> the readers of alt.comp.freeware."
>
> and often here we talk and suggest also games, and these games are freeware
> programs.
> If existed alt.comp.freeware.browsers, couldn't we consider browsers
> eligible?
 >
> I'd like to have also games in the Pricelessware List.

I made a misstatement above. I don't think games have ever been allowed
on the PL. . .

ACF.games was created by ACF participants. *When* it was created there
was a consensus in ACF that games should no longer be discussed in this
group - that was some years back.

ACF.games participants have created one list of best games. They may be
interested in creating another - perhaps as a joint project with ACF.

IMO we should explore other possibilities in a joint discussion with
ACF.games participants *before* discussing the addition of games to the
Pricelessware List.

JMHO

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

_Susan Bugher_, sabato 21/ago/2004:

> Note: There is one prohibited category. Games have not been considered
> eligible because they are discussed in alt.comp.freeware.games - I think
> I forgot to include that in the proposed PL procedures - will revise the
> procedures if necessary to include that bit of info.

Shouldn't we think again about it?
The Criteria for Selection are:

"The program should be one of the best Freeware programs available. The
Pricelessware List is a compilation of the favorite Freeware programs of
the readers of alt.comp.freeware."

and often here we talk and suggest also games, and these games are freeware
programs.
If existed alt.comp.freeware.browsers, couldn't we consider browsers
eligible?

I'd like to have also games in the Pricelessware List.
--
Maria Luisa C - 21/08/2004 22.22.02

MLC wrote:

>I'd like to have also games in the Pricelessware List.

So would I.

MLC wrote:

> _Susan Bugher_, domenica 22/ago/2004:
>
>
>>IMO we should explore other possibilities in a joint discussion with
>>ACF.games participants *before* discussing the addition of games to the
>>Pricelessware List.
>>
>>JMHO
>
>
> OK. I haven't subscribed yet to acf.games, I'll do it.
> If someone else is interested he/she/we could explore this possibility... :)

I read it (don't remember if I've ever posted). I'll watch for your post.

FWIW - quite a few ACF participants post in ACF.games too.

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

_Susan Bugher_, domenica 22/ago/2004:

> IMO we should explore other possibilities in a joint discussion with
> ACF.games participants *before* discussing the addition of games to the
> Pricelessware List.
>
> JMHO

OK. I haven't subscribed yet to acf.games, I'll do it.
If someone else is interested he/she/we could explore this possibility... :)
--
Maria Luisa C - 22/08/2004 16.29.23

Some of this may be of use, or not.  I still think this is too
complicated, but I feel that some of these would place some things in
areas where they are more likely to be found.

BUSINESS	Calculator
BUSINESS	Character Macro
BUSINESS	Converter: Units
BUSINESS	Desk Top Publishing
BUSINESS	Dictionary
BUSINESS	Graph Paper Printer
BUSINESS	Office Suite
BUSINESS	Scheduler
BUSINESS	Spell Checker
BUSINESS	Spreadsheet
BUSINESS	Word Processor

DESKTOP		Application Launcher
DESKTOP		Application Launcher: Multipurpose
DESKTOP		Clock: Customizer
DESKTOP		Clock: Mulitple Time Zone
DESKTOP		Desktop Customizer
DESKTOP		Mouse Tool
DESKTOP		Window Tool

FILE UTILITIES	CD Burning
FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Access
FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Customizer
FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Listing
FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Path Copy
FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Shortcuts
FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Structure Copy
FILE UTILITIES	Disk Space Reporting
FILE UTILITIES	File Compression: Unzip
FILE UTILITIES	File Compression: Zip-Unzip
FILE UTILITIES	File Manager: Browser
FILE UTILITIES	File Manager: Tools
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Backup
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Cleaner
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Removal
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Renamer
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Splitter
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Undelete
FILE UTILITIES	Files: Validate/Undelete
FILE UTILITIES	Long File Names Tool
FILE UTILITIES	Search
FILE UTILITIES	Search And Replace

GRAPHICS	Color Picker
GRAPHICS	Diagram And Chart Drawing Tool
GRAPHICS	Editor: 3D
GRAPHICS	Editor: Fractals
GRAPHICS	Editor: Icons
GRAPHICS	Editor: Photo-Paint
GRAPHICS	Editor: Vector Graphics
GRAPHICS	Icon Extractor
GRAPHICS	Image Cataloguer
GRAPHICS	Screen Capture
GRAPHICS	Screen Ruler
GRAPHICS	Screensaver Maker
GRAPHICS	Viewer: Image Optimizer
GRAPHICS	Viewer: Multipurpose
GRAPHICS	Watermark Tool

INTERNET	Bookmarks/Favorites: Convert To HTML
INTERNET	Bookmarks/Favorites: Management
INTERNET	Bookmarks/Favorites: Verification
INTERNET	Browser, Web: Addon Tools
INTERNET	Browser, Web: Client
INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Cleaner
INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Removal
INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Shell
INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Tweaking
INTERNET	Browser, Web: Popup Blocking
INTERNET	Browser, Web: Search Toolbar
INTERNET	Browser, Web: Tool
INTERNET	Browser: Form Filler
INTERNET	Clipboard tool: URL Tool
INTERNET	Content Filter
INTERNET	Cookie Manager
INTERNET	Dial-Up Networking Utilities
INTERNET	Download Manager
INTERNET	Download Web Sites
INTERNET	Email and Newsgroup: Client
INTERNET	Email: Checking
INTERNET	Email: Client
INTERNET	Email: Outlook Express Tool
INTERNET	Email: Outlook Tool
INTERNET	Email: Quote Tool
INTERNET	Email: Spam Tool
INTERNET	FTP: Client
INTERNET	Instant Message: Multiple Protocal Client
INTERNET	Network Tool
INTERNET	Newsreader: Binary Download Client
INTERNET	Newsreader: Client
INTERNET	Peer To Peer File Sharing
INTERNET	Remote Desktop Access
INTERNET	Server: Email and Newsgroup
INTERNET	Telnet: Client
INTERNET	Weather Reporting: Client
INTERNET	Web Site Screen Capture

MISCELLANEOUS	Alternate Operating System
MISCELLANEOUS	Astronomy
MISCELLANEOUS	Musician Tool
MISCELLANEOUS	Religion
MISCELLANEOUS	Automation: Dialog Dismissal
MISCELLANEOUS	Clipboard Extender

MULTIMEDIA	Audio-Video: Editor
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Editor
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Encoders-Decoders
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Karaoke
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: MP3 Encoder
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: MP3 ID3 Editing
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: MP3 Normalization
MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Player
MULTIMEDIA	CD Ripper: Editor
MULTIMEDIA	Multimedia: Player

ORGANIZERS	Calendar
ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: File and Directory
ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: Media
ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: Software
ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: System
ORGANIZERS	Notes
ORGANIZERS	Notes and Graphics
ORGANIZERS	Notes and Reminder

PROGRAMMING	Batch Files
PROGRAMMING	Editor: Hex
PROGRAMMING	Editor: Install/Setup
PROGRAMMING	Editor: Multi-Language
PROGRAMMING	Editor: Resource
PROGRAMMING	Macros
PROGRAMMING	Programming Languages

SECURITY	Anti-Virus
SECURITY	Encryption
SECURITY	Firewall
SECURITY	Monitor: Registry/Directory/File
SECURITY	Monitor: Scripting
SECURITY	TCP/IP Monitoring
SECURITY	Password Manager
SECURITY	Password Viewer
SECURITY	Anti-Spyware
SECURITY	Security patch

SYSTEM UTILITIES	Backup: Drivers
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Boot and Partition Manager
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Boot Manager
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Cleaner: Backup And Remove DLLs
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Cleaner: Files and Registry
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Cpu Cooler
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Format Diskettes
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Install-Uninstall Tool
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Memory Tool
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Misc: Unix For Windows
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Module Dependency
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Screen Resolution
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Partition Tool
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Memory
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Motherboard
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Process
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Resources
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Backup
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Cleaner
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Editor
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Monitoring
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Search
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Start-Up Tool
SYSTEM UTILITIES	System Tweaker
SYSTEM UTILITIES	Time Synchronizer

TEXT	Character Map
TEXT	Compare Text In Files
TEXT	Convert: HTML To Text
TEXT	Convert: OCR
TEXT	Convert: Text To PDF
TEXT	Convert: Text To Speech
TEXT	Notepad Editors
TEXT	Font Manager

WEB DEVELOPMENT		Text To HTML
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Editor: HTML Source Code
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Editor: HTML WYSIWYG
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: Calendar
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: File List
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: Image Gallery
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: Index Maker
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: 3D Font Image
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: Button and Tile Generation
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: GIF Animation
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: JPG Cleaner
WEB DEVELOPMENT		Links: Check/Validate


-Garrett

Garrett wrote:

> Some of this may be of use, or not.  I still think this is too
> complicated, but I feel that some of these would place some things in
> areas where they are more likely to be found.

Hi Garrett,

I'm not in favor of adding a 13th Category page called MISCELLANEOUS. I
think your proposed revisions will get more response from the group if
you show the *changes*. IOW if you include the PL2004 Categories after
your proposed categories.

> BUSINESS	Calculator
> BUSINESS	Character Macro
> BUSINESS	Converter: Units
> BUSINESS	Desk Top Publishing
> BUSINESS	Dictionary
> BUSINESS	Graph Paper Printer
> BUSINESS	Office Suite
> BUSINESS	Scheduler
> BUSINESS	Spell Checker
> BUSINESS	Spreadsheet
> BUSINESS	Word Processor
>
> DESKTOP		Application Launcher
> DESKTOP		Application Launcher: Multipurpose
> DESKTOP		Clock: Customizer
> DESKTOP		Clock: Mulitple Time Zone
> DESKTOP		Desktop Customizer
> DESKTOP		Mouse Tool
> DESKTOP		Window Tool
>
> FILE UTILITIES	CD Burning
> FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Access
> FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Customizer
> FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Listing
> FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Path Copy
> FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Shortcuts
> FILE UTILITIES	Directory/Folder: Structure Copy
> FILE UTILITIES	Disk Space Reporting
> FILE UTILITIES	File Compression: Unzip
> FILE UTILITIES	File Compression: Zip-Unzip
> FILE UTILITIES	File Manager: Browser
> FILE UTILITIES	File Manager: Tools
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Backup
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Cleaner
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Removal
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Renamer
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Splitter
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Undelete
> FILE UTILITIES	Files: Validate/Undelete
> FILE UTILITIES	Long File Names Tool
> FILE UTILITIES	Search
> FILE UTILITIES	Search And Replace
>
> GRAPHICS	Color Picker
> GRAPHICS	Diagram And Chart Drawing Tool
> GRAPHICS	Editor: 3D
> GRAPHICS	Editor: Fractals
> GRAPHICS	Editor: Icons
> GRAPHICS	Editor: Photo-Paint
> GRAPHICS	Editor: Vector Graphics
> GRAPHICS	Icon Extractor
> GRAPHICS	Image Cataloguer
> GRAPHICS	Screen Capture
> GRAPHICS	Screen Ruler
> GRAPHICS	Screensaver Maker
> GRAPHICS	Viewer: Image Optimizer
> GRAPHICS	Viewer: Multipurpose
> GRAPHICS	Watermark Tool
>
> INTERNET	Bookmarks/Favorites: Convert To HTML
> INTERNET	Bookmarks/Favorites: Management
> INTERNET	Bookmarks/Favorites: Verification
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: Addon Tools
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: Client
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Cleaner
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Removal
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Shell
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: MSIE Tweaking
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: Popup Blocking
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: Search Toolbar
> INTERNET	Browser, Web: Tool
> INTERNET	Browser: Form Filler
> INTERNET	Clipboard tool: URL Tool
> INTERNET	Content Filter
> INTERNET	Cookie Manager
> INTERNET	Dial-Up Networking Utilities
> INTERNET	Download Manager
> INTERNET	Download Web Sites
> INTERNET	Email and Newsgroup: Client
> INTERNET	Email: Checking
> INTERNET	Email: Client
> INTERNET	Email: Outlook Express Tool
> INTERNET	Email: Outlook Tool
> INTERNET	Email: Quote Tool
> INTERNET	Email: Spam Tool
> INTERNET	FTP: Client
> INTERNET	Instant Message: Multiple Protocal Client
> INTERNET	Network Tool
> INTERNET	Newsreader: Binary Download Client
> INTERNET	Newsreader: Client
> INTERNET	Peer To Peer File Sharing
> INTERNET	Remote Desktop Access
> INTERNET	Server: Email and Newsgroup
> INTERNET	Telnet: Client
> INTERNET	Weather Reporting: Client
> INTERNET	Web Site Screen Capture
>
> MISCELLANEOUS	Alternate Operating System
> MISCELLANEOUS	Astronomy
> MISCELLANEOUS	Musician Tool
> MISCELLANEOUS	Religion
> MISCELLANEOUS	Automation: Dialog Dismissal
> MISCELLANEOUS	Clipboard Extender
>
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio-Video: Editor
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Editor
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Encoders-Decoders
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Karaoke
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: MP3 Encoder
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: MP3 ID3 Editing
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: MP3 Normalization
> MULTIMEDIA	Audio: Player
> MULTIMEDIA	CD Ripper: Editor
> MULTIMEDIA	Multimedia: Player
>
> ORGANIZERS	Calendar
> ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: File and Directory
> ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: Media
> ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: Software
> ORGANIZERS	Cataloger: System
> ORGANIZERS	Notes
> ORGANIZERS	Notes and Graphics
> ORGANIZERS	Notes and Reminder
>
> PROGRAMMING	Batch Files
> PROGRAMMING	Editor: Hex
> PROGRAMMING	Editor: Install/Setup
> PROGRAMMING	Editor: Multi-Language
> PROGRAMMING	Editor: Resource
> PROGRAMMING	Macros
> PROGRAMMING	Programming Languages
>
> SECURITY	Anti-Virus
> SECURITY	Encryption
> SECURITY	Firewall
> SECURITY	Monitor: Registry/Directory/File
> SECURITY	Monitor: Scripting
> SECURITY	TCP/IP Monitoring
> SECURITY	Password Manager
> SECURITY	Password Viewer
> SECURITY	Anti-Spyware
> SECURITY	Security patch
>
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Backup: Drivers
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Boot and Partition Manager
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Boot Manager
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Cleaner: Backup And Remove DLLs
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Cleaner: Files and Registry
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Cpu Cooler
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Format Diskettes
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Install-Uninstall Tool
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Memory Tool
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Misc: Unix For Windows
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Module Dependency
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Screen Resolution
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Partition Tool
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Memory
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Motherboard
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Process
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Monitor: Resources
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Backup
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Cleaner
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Editor
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Monitoring
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Registry: Search
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Start-Up Tool
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	System Tweaker
> SYSTEM UTILITIES	Time Synchronizer
>
> TEXT	Character Map
> TEXT	Compare Text In Files
> TEXT	Convert: HTML To Text
> TEXT	Convert: OCR
> TEXT	Convert: Text To PDF
> TEXT	Convert: Text To Speech
> TEXT	Notepad Editors
> TEXT	Font Manager
>
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Text To HTML
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Editor: HTML Source Code
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Editor: HTML WYSIWYG
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: Calendar
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: File List
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: Image Gallery
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Generate: Index Maker
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: 3D Font Image
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: Button and Tile Generation
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: GIF Animation
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Graphics: JPG Cleaner
> WEB DEVELOPMENT		Links: Check/Validate
>
>
> -Garrett

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Peter Seiler wrote:

> Susan Bugher - 27.08.2004 17:09 :
>
>
>>Garrett wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Some of this may be of use, or not.  I still think this is too
>>>complicated, but I feel that some of these would place some things in
>>>areas where they are more likely to be found.
>>
>>Hi Garrett,
>>
>>I'm not in favor of adding a 13th Category page called MISCELLANEOUS. I
>>think your proposed revisions will get more response from the group if
>>you show the *changes*. IOW if you include the PL2004 Categories after
>>your proposed categories.

> Hi Susan,
>
> with respect, is it really necessary fully quoting Garrets long list
> again? Perhaps others quotes the whole list in an answer to your posting
> again and again and so on.
> If someone needs/wants to see this list, one can/should read it back in
> the thread, imo.

Humble apologies. What *was* I thinking?  :(

Taking my own advice I've uploaded a page that shows *which* PL2004
subcategories/ programs are moving. See:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2005/PL2005ProgramIndex.php

If you want to see where the apps were before compare that page and the
PL2004 page:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/2004/PL2004ProgramIndex.php

Most of the PL2005 links work - ATM PL2005 pages show PL2004 programs. . .

Susan
--
Pricelessware Home: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org
acf Posting Tips: http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/acf/Posting.php
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html
Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org

Susan Bugher - 27.08.2004 17:09 :

> Garrett wrote:
>
>> Some of this may be of use, or not.  I still think this is too
>> complicated, but I feel that some of these would place some things in
>> areas where they are more likely to be found.
>
> Hi Garrett,
>
> I'm not in favor of adding a 13th Category page called MISCELLANEOUS. I
> think your proposed revisions will get more response from the group if
> you show the *changes*. IOW if you include the PL2004 Categories after
> your proposed categories.
>
>> BUSINESS	Calculator

[about 200 list quoting lines snipped}

Hi Susan,

with respect, is it really necessary fully quoting Garrets long list
again? Perhaps others quotes the whole list in an answer to your posting
again and again and so on.
If someone needs/wants to see this list, one can/should read it back in
the thread, imo.

Nice weekend!

--
by(e) PS

spam will be killed