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Dave Haas wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me WHY a specific behavior is immoral?  Is it immoral
> solely because God says it is?  Aren't there some things that God said
> where immoral that many religions ignore?  Does this mean that they
> aren't immoral?

Some good questions and they need good answers.  Some immoral actions
are obvious and the results are immediate such as murder.  Other actions
which cause long term damage might not be so obvious.  So, God tells us
that these actions are also immoral.

> I realize that many may claim that we can not know God's motives and
> shouldn't even think about why he does what he does, however, unless one
> is incapable of thought he must be able to speculate on why God should
> care if humans fornicate or steal or lie or whatever.

As many psychologists say, premarital sex steals the joy of sex in
marriage. To wit, divorces are now equaling marriages statistically.  If
I stole your car, you would think I wronged you and you would be right.
If no law forbid me from doing so, you would not have a complaint about
it.

> If he made us to
> have free will so that we can do those things he doesn't want us to do
> then why did he make us with free will in the first place?  Does he have
> an ulterior motive?
>
No ulterior motive!  If he did not make you free will and the first time
you tried to steal something and your head suddenly developed a
splitting headache, you would complain that "He doesn't let me do
anything."

> For that matter are all immoral acts equally immoral?  Are some more
> immoral than others?  Does God judge on this basis or is he blind to
> justice.

Sin is sin.  A white lie is like murder in the spiritual sense.
However, in the physical sense, murder is instantaneously.  A white lie
might take a while to hurt someone, if not the liar.

> Do all Christians or other religions agree on what things are and are not
> moral.

No.  They do not.  Christians are to "grow in grace and knowledge" (2
Peter 3:18).
 1) First, we need to seek knowledge and then apply that knowledge to
understanding (Prov. 2:2-3.
 2) Then we develop wisdom in how to use the knowledge we have (Prov.
1:2,3,7 & 20 and other verses in Proverbs.
Some Christians have more wisdom than others just as some teachers,
fathers, and politicians, for example, have more wisdom than others.

Dick

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Dave Haas wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me WHY a specific behavior is immoral?  Is it immoral
> solely because God says it is?  Aren't there some things that God said
> where immoral that many religions ignore?  Does this mean that they
> aren't immoral?
>
> I realize that many may claim that we can not know God's motives and
> shouldn't even think about why he does what he does, however, unless one
> is incapable of thought he must be able to speculate on why God should
> care if humans fornicate or steal or lie or whatever.  If he made us to
> have free will so that we can do those things he doesn't want us to do
> then why did he make us with free will in the first place?  Does he have
> an ulterior motive?
>
> For that matter are all immoral acts equally immoral?  Are some more
> immoral than others?  Does God judge on this basis or is he blind to
> justice.
>
> Do all Christians or other religions agree on what things are and are not
> moral.

Many religions are human supremacist: humans are better than
animals and thus shouldn't be like them. As a consequence
that which is natural is often equated with "sinfull": lust,
greed, gluttony..etc. As sexuality is the apex of animalism
- it is a very very bad thing and only barely allowable as
being the only way to perpetuate the species. Serious
religious people don't do sex at all. And homosexuality -
which doesn't perpetuate the species even, this is verboten!

(Many Christians don't understand this of their own
religion! -They really believe God endorses lust, sex and
f*cking like bunnies as long as it's in a heterosexual
married context. -Ha Ha!)

The "we must deny our animal selves" aspect of religion and
spirituality is very common - however it is not the context
for "Morality" for many faiths. It is not wrong to behave as
an animal if you ARE an animal: some religions don't condemn
, but rather, use their detachment to feel superior.

All religions I've looked at, even Church of Satan, have a
variation of "the Golden Rule" as the backbone of their
morality: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you".
Common also are dictates to be as compassionate and loving
as possible. Many religions use such a directive to indicate
eating of meat, requiring the premature death of a sentient
feeling creature, is immoral.

The bottom line is that some people limit their lives in
ways to allow them to feel "moral" - and then they are upset
at others who don't also choose as they have - and then have
the audacity to enjoy themselves! -How dare they! -Such
immorality should be punished!

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