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Barbed Wire & Thumbtacks wrote in message ...

>J. Villagomez wrote in message <6qkqmv$af0$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...
>>Hey I'm American and I'm not bad! It's just the Christians!


J., it's the Jews too.

In order for Republicans & Democrats to get the Jewish vote & the Fundie
Xian vote, the US must continue to arm Israel.

Probably, Jewish money / bankers also have something to do with the US
often standing virtually alone with Israel in the UN.

Also probably, the US wants to keep the Moslems destabilized.  United
Islam & the US wouldn't be able to count on Middle East oil's continued
availability.

& then there's Iran where goddamn Uncle Sam put the Shah back on his
throne & trained his SAVAK torture police.

& then there's Guatemale where goddamn Uncle Sam deposed (& murdered?
I've forgotten the details) Arbenz & instituted & regularly trained govt.
killers.

& govt. killers in Chile & El Salvador & Nicaragua & here & there in Africa.
Etc.

>Recently I was in Boston and I didn't pick up any negative attitude that
>everyone thinks the American has. I was given excellent hope and everyone
>was very polite. I felt like I was back in Toronto (the only place worth
>living..but I'm biased).
>
>Kevin

You're probably white, Kevin, & Canada generally stands with the US
in the UN & on US America's battlefields.

Myself, I wish I were living in New Zealand where the New Zealanders wisely
won't let goddamn Uncle Sam bring in his goddamn nukes.

Pfooey on Uncle Sam.

If the Moslems or the commies or whomever continue to kill Uncle Sam's
minions in
foreign lands, it's OK by me.

If the Moslems or the commies or whomever, finally nuke Wall St. or DC to
get Uncle
Sam out of their business, that's OK with me too.  Just so long as my buddy
in Arlington
& his family aren't casualties.

Bob S. the chummy asshole who's recalcitrantly antiAmerican

Minions of Uncle Sam fucking around in foreign lands:
Come home.  Come home.
Jesus is calling you home.

J. Villagomez wrote in message <6qkqmv$af0$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...
>Hey I'm American and I'm not bad! It's just the Christians!
>
>--

Recently I was in Boston and I didn't pick up any negative attitude that
everyone thinks the American has. I was given excellent hope and everyone
was very polite. I felt like I was back in Toronto (the only place worth
living..but I'm biased).

Kevin

Mindflayer wrote:
>
> In forest deep, where dark things sleep, Barbed Wire & Thumbtacks penned
> this in one fell sweep: <LUpz1.56$1b5....@sapphire.mtt.net>
> >
> > J. Villagomez wrote in message <6qkqmv$af0$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...
> > >Hey I'm American and I'm not bad! It's just the Christians!
> > >
> > >--
> >
> > Recently I was in Boston and I didn't pick up any negative attitude that
> > everyone thinks the American has. I was given excellent hope and everyone
> > was very polite. I felt like I was back in Toronto (the only place worth
> > living..but I'm biased).
>
>         <G> Visit New York City.


      Or L.A.  (hint: Try not to get shot.)



Kenny

Hey I'm American and I'm not bad! It's just the Christians!

--
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"I have two jobs: one is to lead the Church and hold the priesthood.  The
other is to raise the children.  I let the men pick first." -God
"God bless America, because nobody else has." -Some playa hater
"Somebody else's junk is another's religion."
"Just Shoot Me." - NBC
"Just Sue Me." - AOL
"Just Moo Me." - Cow
"Just Screw Me." - All Theists
"Just Do Me." - Bill Clinton
"USA. The Cure for Insomnia." - USA Channel
"Boy, time does fly when you're reading.... THE BIBLE? Eeeewwww..." - Bart
Simpson
"SHUT THE F__K UP!" - Jesus Christ on Jesus and Pals
"Our Savior!" - Jesus Christ after Robert Smith destroyed Mecha Streisand

In forest deep, where dark things sleep, Barbed Wire & Thumbtacks penned
this in one fell sweep: <LUpz1.56$1b5....@sapphire.mtt.net>
>
> J. Villagomez wrote in message <6qkqmv$af0$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...
> >Hey I'm American and I'm not bad! It's just the Christians!
> >
> >--
>
> Recently I was in Boston and I didn't pick up any negative attitude that
> everyone thinks the American has. I was given excellent hope and everyone
> was very polite. I felt like I was back in Toronto (the only place worth
> living..but I'm biased).

	<G> Visit New York City.
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Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks. Well in that last
one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another. This is just
our century to fuck up, then next one when I become president I will make
USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.

--
GAMMAS (Gemini And Mathematic Militant Atheistic Scorpio) #1
The Left Wing Chancellor
Kaolinite is hot on Sailor Moon Super although she looks like a slut.
"I have two jobs: one is to lead the Church and hold the priesthood.  The
other is to raise the children.  I let the men pick first." -God
"God bless America, because nobody else has." -Some playa hater
"Somebody else's junk is another's religion."
"Just Shoot Me." - NBC
"Just Sue Me." - AOL
"Just Moo Me." - Cow
"Just Screw Me." - All Theists
"Just Do Me." - Bill Clinton
"USA. The Cure for Insomnia." - USA Channel
"Boy, time does fly when you're reading.... THE BIBLE? Eeeewwww..." - Bart
Simpson
"SHUT THE F__K UP!" - Jesus Christ on Jesus and Pals
"Our Savior!" - Jesus Christ after Robert Smith destroyed Mecha Streisand

Organization:

In alt.atheism maff91 <maf...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
: On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
: <RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:

:>Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
:>then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks. Well in that last
:>one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another. This is just
:>our century to fuck up, then next one when I become president I will make
:>USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.

: Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!

WOOHOO!!! Finally, I get to stop paying taxes....

On 10 Aug 1998 17:32:17 GMT, tee...@spamtrap.com wrote:

>Organization:
>
>In alt.atheism maff91 <maf...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>: On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
>: <RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
>:>Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
>:>then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks. Well in that last
>:>one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another. This is just
>:>our century to fuck up, then next one when I become president I will make
>:>USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.
>
>: Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!
>
>WOOHOO!!! Finally, I get to stop paying taxes....

Yep. Only politicians will be taxed! ;-)

Elf Sternberg wrote:
>
>
>         I'm sorry, no matter what you may feel about the American
> government's "real world" policies towards the rest of Earth, there is
> absolutely no fucking justification for the mass-murder of innocents.
> You have a problem, you raise an army and you put warriors on the
> field and you fight it out with honor.  Bombs are the tools of cowards
> and fools, and there will be retribution.

Talk about idealism.

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:17:40 -0400, "Bob S." spake unto the multitude,
saying in <6qklk5$7fls$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>

>I'm not sorry when ANY US embassies are blown up.
>
>Hope somebody blows up another one tomorrow!
>
>Go to
>http://site034145.primehost.com/articles/0397/kubarkin.htm
>for only a small part of the reason I think the US deserves
>it.
>
>Pfooey on Uncle Sam.

Shame about to 140+ dead and 4000 ish injured Kenyan and Tanzanian
Citizens. Still, I expect that you can't make an omlette without
breaking eggs, or heads.

>Remember Guatemala!
>
>Those who live by the sword deserve to die by the sword.  -- attributed to
>Jesus
>
>
>Bob S. the chummy antiAmerican asshole
>

---
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
- attrib: Pauline Reage

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
<RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:

>Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
>then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks. Well in that last
>one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another. This is just
>our century to fuck up, then next one when I become president I will make
>USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.

Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!

!**?#!#$ wrote:

> > ) Shame about to 140+ dead and 4000 ish injured Kenyan and Tanzanian
> > ) Citizens. Still, I expect that you can't make an omlette without
> > ) breaking eggs, or heads.

> Bob thinks smashing baby skulls should be an Olympic sport.

liguini and clam sauce.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

!**?#!#$ wrote:
>
> > ) Shame about to 140+ dead and 4000 ish injured Kenyan and Tanzanian
> > ) Citizens. Still, I expect that you can't make an omlette without
> > ) breaking eggs, or heads.
>
> Bob thinks smashing baby skulls should be an Olympic sport.

Just about anything is already, so why not this one? Gives nations with
high baby mortality rates another export good.

> ) Shame about to 140+ dead and 4000 ish injured Kenyan and Tanzanian
> ) Citizens. Still, I expect that you can't make an omlette without
> ) breaking eggs, or heads.

Bob thinks smashing baby skulls should be an Olympic sport.

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maff91 wrote:

> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
> <RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >when I become president I will make
> >USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.

I like your enthousiasm... but I find that believing the president still
has any kind of power to be quite naive. The power is in the hands of big
corporations now, for better or (probably the) worse.

> Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!

Good idea. Can I help?

--
a.a atheist #1172       sXe       BAAWA

"I'm so tired of all the f**ked up minds
Of all the terrorist religions and their bulls**t lines"
"What pretension! Everlasting peace...
Everything must cease"

- Bad Religion, "Positive Aspect of Negative Thinking" and "Cease"

To Reply by email:  jptheria AT interlinx DOT qc DOT ca

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:17:40 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> jibbered
semi-coherently:

>I'm not sorry when ANY US embassies are blown up.
>
>Hope somebody blows up another one tomorrow!
>

So do you think those were just crappy buildings over in Africa, or
did the Terrorists have really good bombs?



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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 10:20:38 -0500, dark...@BAAWA.org (DarkAngel)
wrote:

>maff91 wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
>> <RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>
>> >when I become president I will make
>> >USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.
>
>I like your enthousiasm... but I find that believing the president still
>has any kind of power to be quite naive. The power is in the hands of big
>corporations now, for better or (probably the) worse.
>
>> Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!
>
>Good idea. Can I help?

Volunteers are always welcome! ;-)

In article <6qklk5$7fls$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>
    "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> writes:

>I'm not sorry when ANY US embassies are blown up.
>Hope somebody blows up another one tomorrow!

	I'm sorry, no matter what you may feel about the American
government's "real world" policies towards the rest of Earth, there is
absolutely no fucking justification for the mass-murder of innocents.
You have a problem, you raise an army and you put warriors on the
field and you fight it out with honor.  Bombs are the tools of cowards
and fools, and there will be retribution.

	Elf, who loves his country and fears his government.

--
Elf M. Sternberg - www.halcyon.com/elf
A Decade of Usenet: On-line since August 18, 1988

   I have looked into the abyss, and the abyss has looked into me.
   Neither liked what we saw.
                  --- Brother Theodore

In forest deep, where dark things sleep, Elf Sternberg penned this in one
fell sweep: <6qnut0$s93$1...@brokaw.wa.com>
> In article <6qklk5$7fls$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>
>     "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> writes:
>
> >I'm not sorry when ANY US embassies are blown up.
> >Hope somebody blows up another one tomorrow!
>
> 	I'm sorry, no matter what you may feel about the American
> government's "real world" policies towards the rest of Earth, there is
> absolutely no fucking justification for the mass-murder of innocents.
> You have a problem, you raise an army and you put warriors on the
> field and you fight it out with honor.  Bombs are the tools of cowards
> and fools, and there will be retribution.

	Elf, your "warriors" are mostly scared-shitless young kids who signed
up because they believed some stupid ad proclaiming that army will make them
"all they can be" -- dead meat in this particular case, I imagine. Or,
perhaps they simply had a cruel streak and thought it would be cool to wave
a gun around and shoot someone ever once in a while.
	There may be honor in combat, but there is no honor in death --
certainly not in death of innocent, scared, somewhat cruel and selfish young
kids. They are no different from the rest of the "innocents" except they
have been taught how to pull the trigger. They are not honorable warriors
who come to fight for their ideals or to test their skills -- they are sheep
being led to slaughter. There is honor in combat and there is honor in
defending your land and your people, but there is no honor in war.

--
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On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:27:10 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> jibbered
semi-coherently:

>If the Moslems or the commies or whomever continue to kill Uncle Sam's
>minions in
>foreign lands, it's OK by me.
>

If we just conquered the whole world, then they wouldn't be foriegn
lands. Then we could kick all those foriegners out of OUR planet hand
have a lot of land to build on. THEN we could really have some nice
suburbs.



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Lord of Petty Annoyances
Ambrose Bierce Mexican Travel Agency Cabal
http://members.xoom.com/ABMTAC
-><-
Non Ordo Seclorum!
-><-

J. Villagomez wrote:
>
<snip>
> USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.

Not without learning how to quote....

Madog Velkor wrote in message <35cf185...@news.cc.ucf.edu>...
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:27:10 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> jibbered
>semi-coherently:
>
>>If the Moslems or the commies or whomever continue to kill Uncle Sam's
>>minions in
>>foreign lands, it's OK by me.
>>
>
>If we just conquered the whole world, then they wouldn't be foriegn
>lands. Then we could kick all those foriegners out of OUR planet hand
>have a lot of land to build on. THEN we could really have some nice
>suburbs.


The bombing of OK City proved that foreigners aren't alone kicking
Uncle Sam.

Back in the Vietnam War, a math research center (used by Uncle Sam)
was blown up, at U. Wisconsin if memory serves.

& I heard rumors (squelched by Uncle Sam?) that some trains carrying
missles in the heartland were derailed.

Etc.

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:27:10 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> wrote:

<BEGIN POLITICS>

(snip alot of shite about American policies and practices)

;Pfooey on Uncle Sam.

I have one thing to say to you:

FUCK YOU for thinking that it's okay to kill people, whatever your
politics. I feel sorry for theists, but I have no sympathy for people
who applaud the murder of other people. It was someone with your
dipshit attitude towards the US that killed 186 people, including
innocent children, in Oklahoma. It's a dipshit attitude like yours
towards other countries that propogates the Troubles in NI. It's
dipshit people like you that think the it's laudable to kill
civilians.

And, you'd best hope your friends in Arlington are never hurt, and
that their families never have to suffer the loss that the families of
the victims of terrorists and other cowards. There are far too many
dipshits in this world with the potential to kill others needlessly.

Don't reply, I have nothing further to discuss with you on this
subject.
</END POLITICS>

Mise le meas,

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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:13:27 GMT, "maff91" spake unto the multitude,
saying in <35f04618...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>

>On 10 Aug 1998 17:32:17 GMT, tee...@spamtrap.com wrote:
>
>>Organization:
>>
>>In alt.atheism maff91 <maf...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>: On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
>>: <RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>
>>:>Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
>>:>then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks. Well in that last
>>:>one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another. This is just
>>:>our century to fuck up, then next one when I become president I will make
>>:>USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.
>>
>>: Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!
>>
>>WOOHOO!!! Finally, I get to stop paying taxes....
>
>Yep. Only politicians will be taxed! ;-)

No taxation without representation! Does this mean if I give up my
vote I don't have to pay taxes?

---
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
- attrib: Pauline Reage

In article <35cf8b14...@news.bit-net.com>, onb...@splegg-net.com
spoke unto the masses saying...
> On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:10:50 -0400, min...@ix.netcom.com (Mindflayer)
> wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> Recently I was in Boston and I didn't pick up any negative attitude that
> >> everyone thinks the American has. I was given excellent hope and everyone
> >> was very polite. I felt like I was back in Toronto (the only place worth
> >> living..but I'm biased).
> >
> >	<G> Visit New York City.
>

Piggybacking, but hey!

Dont piss on NYC, you ##*%$*#&$%*#@!

Seriously, most people in NYC are nice, its just the assholes who make
the news.

--
regards,
David J. Devejian
widsith <at> panix <dot> com

Aren't we all a bunch of self-righteous prigs?

I wish it were a world where the worse offence against society was double
parking, but it's not, nor will it be anytime soon. So we will all
participate in organised violence. The choice is are you the killer or the
killed. If you're the killer, in person or by proxy.

Quakers, Tibetan monks, and few others have demonstrated their willingness
to be killed without retalition. The rest of us haven't. Instead we create
governments that promise to kill them before they kill us. And to do so we
induce fresh young bodies to kill and be killed on our behalf.

Now if you're willing to say, "Kill me, imprison me, torture me, just
don't kill in my name," then fine, harp away. Otherwise They aren't doing
it, We are. Take some responsibilty for your part in the game.

In particular, if you ridicule or harass soldiers because some particular
war was bad idea (almost always the case), who do you expect to be your
proxy the next time someone scares the shit out of you? If you expect some
boy to die in your place, why not give him some big words like honour and
courage? Why not save the energy of your anger for politicians and society
as a whole?


For some reason, true pacificists seem more unwilling to criticise the
violence of others than those of us who hide behind our armies.

--
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the flare of crimson fades to gray. |       smj...@my-dejanews.com
They rest their violence, the rest is silence.|   www.geocities.com
Their empty years are ash and clay. | /SoHo/Studios/5079/index.html

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:03:53 +0800, "Therion Ware"
<tw...@eac.geocities.com> (Therion T. Ware) wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:13:27 GMT, "maff91" spake unto the multitude,
>saying in <35f04618...@newnews.dial.pipex.com>
>
>>On 10 Aug 1998 17:32:17 GMT, tee...@spamtrap.com wrote:
>>
>>>Organization:
>>>
>>>In alt.atheism maff91 <maf...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>: On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:06:47 -0700, "J. Villagomez"
>>>: <RZASh...@geocities.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>:>Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
>>>:>then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks. Well in that last
>>>:>one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another. This is just
>>>:>our century to fuck up, then next one when I become president I will make
>>>:>USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.
>>>
>>>: Forget it. I'm going to abolish government. So there!
>>>
>>>WOOHOO!!! Finally, I get to stop paying taxes....
>>
>>Yep. Only politicians will be taxed! ;-)
>
>No taxation without representation! Does this mean if I give up my
>vote I don't have to pay taxes?

Yep. ;-)

>
>---
>"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
>- attrib: Pauline Reage

Al B wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:31:47 -0400, min...@ix.netcom.com (Mindflayer)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >       Elf, your "warriors" are mostly scared-shitless young kids who signed
> >up because they believed some stupid ad proclaiming that army will make them
> >"all they can be" -- dead meat in this particular case, I imagine. Or,
> >perhaps they simply had a cruel streak and thought it would be cool to wave
> >a gun around and shoot someone ever once in a while.
> >       There may be honor in combat, but there is no honor in death --
> >certainly not in death of innocent, scared, somewhat cruel and selfish young
> >kids. They are no different from the rest of the "innocents" except they
> >have been taught how to pull the trigger. They are not honorable warriors
> >who come to fight for their ideals or to test their skills -- they are sheep
> >being led to slaughter. There is honor in combat and there is honor in
> >defending your land and your people, but there is no honor in war.
> *****************************************************
>
> If anyone doubts the above words, then I suggest they go see "Saving
> Private Ryan".  For those who think that war is honor and glory
> Hollywood style will be disabused of that notion 5 minutes into the
> movie.  No other movie has ever captured the true horror of combat
> better than Spielberg in this one.
>
I saw it the first day it came out.  I've never seen an entire audience
so subdued by a movie before.  By the end of the movie, there wasn't a
dry eye in the theater.

> Don't take your kids.
>
I know someone who took her 12-year old sister to see it.  I heard the
sister was sick for the next 2 days.
--
Carl Funk   "nil illegitimi carborundum"
 a.a atheist #1229       ICQ#16282427
to bypass my SPAM-deflector, it helps if you realize I am
asthmatic.  i.e.  no SMOKING please!

On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:42:53 -0700, Kenny <kenfe...@geocities.com>
wrote:

;      Or L.A.  (hint: Try not to get shot.)

Whoever needs to take that hint *deserves* to get shot. =)

Mise le meas,

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| found in the tail of a comet." - Harlan Ellison               |
+---------------------------------------------------------------+

(...snipped a whole heck of a lot of stuff...)


Sometimes I wonder if the Americans who gripe about America's treatment of
other nations have ever really been abroad. The US Government is actually
one of the more careful of the Meddler nations. Take a look at the French,
or at how the Indians/Asians meddle in the affairs of their neighbors.

Most XXC US atrocities can be acredited to one of the following:
-Taking care of US citizens' interests first
-Taking care of Lobbyists interests
   (mostly, but not always doomed to failure)
-Backing the wrong guy by mistake/incompetence
-Just plain fucking up.

Bob's rantings about the embassies are just Bob trolling for outrage. I
doubt even Bob would approve of offing 18 innocents for every American.
caught in the blast. That's just a PR backfire, and may hurt your movement
more than help.

I can't stand Mohammed. He's so Greyfaced, he thinks all jokes are
personal insults. How insecure do you have to be to feel you have to kill
everyone who doesn't agree with you?

-=-
Marc Etienne Lachance
"Fnord the fenching argwuffles!"
-=-

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:14:52 GMT, ten.knilhtrae@eedeez.reversed (Al B)
let loose with:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:31:47 -0400, min...@ix.netcom.com (Mindflayer)
>wrote:

>If anyone doubts the above words, then I suggest they go see "Saving
>Private Ryan".  For those who think that war is honor and glory
>Hollywood style will be disabused of that notion 5 minutes into the
>movie.  No other movie has ever captured the true horror of combat
>better than Spielberg in this one.

Even more than the "Green Berets"?  I don't see how a movie could be
more real than the "Green Berets" much less any John Wayne movie.
Have you seen "the Conquerer"?  John Wayne as Gingus Kahn how could
any movie be more real than this one?

>Don't take your kids.

> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:14:52 GMT, ten.knilhtrae@eedeez.reversed (Al B)
> let loose with:
>
> >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:31:47 -0400, min...@ix.netcom.com (Mindflayer)
> >wrote:
>
> >If anyone doubts the above words, then I suggest they go see "Saving
> >Private Ryan".  For those who think that war is honor and glory
> >Hollywood style will be disabused of that notion 5 minutes into the
> >movie.  No other movie has ever captured the true horror of combat
> >better than Spielberg in this one.



Tony G.

> Even more than the "Green Berets"?  I don't see how a movie could be
> more real than the "Green Berets" much less any John Wayne movie.
> Have you seen "the Conquerer"?  John Wayne as Gingus Kahn how could
> any movie be more real than this one?


The ever-so-militaristic Wayne's
"Green Berets" was but a recruiting
film that, in many circles, is rec-
ognized as having helped to prolong
American involvement in Vietnam.
And, given the films' propagandist-
ic nature, it was in fact very "st-
erilized".


> >Don't take your kids.


And for an excellant read on the subject,
read "Johnny Got His Gun".



Persevere.
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guy wrote:

>> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:14:52 GMT, ten.knilhtrae@eedeez.reversed (Al B)
>> let loose with:
>>
>> >On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:31:47 -0400, min...@ix.netcom.com (Mindflayer)
>> >wrote:
>>
>> >If anyone doubts the above words, then I suggest they go see "Saving
>> >Private Ryan".  For those who think that war is honor and glory
>> >Hollywood style will be disabused of that notion 5 minutes into the
>> >movie.  No other movie has ever captured the true horror of combat
>> >better than Spielberg in this one.
>
>
>
>Tony G.
>
>> Even more than the "Green Berets"?  I don't see how a movie could be
>> more real than the "Green Berets" much less any John Wayne movie.
>> Have you seen "the Conquerer"?  John Wayne as Gingus Kahn how could
>> any movie be more real than this one?
>
>
>The ever-so-militaristic Wayne's
>"Green Berets" was but a recruiting
>film that, in many circles, is rec-
>ognized as having helped to prolong
>American involvement in Vietnam.
>And, given the films' propagandist-
>ic nature, it was in fact very "st-
>erilized".


How could you say that? Now I suppose you're going to tell me that M*A*S*H
wasn't a historically accurate picture of the Korean Front in WWII. I
mean, M*A*S*H was one of the grittiest TV Series about war that I've ever
seen, and was almost as realistic as Sgt. Rock Comix. Steven Spielberg is
just making up excuses for why he dodged the draft during the last war.

HTH.HAND.

-=-
Marc Etienne Lachance
"Fnord the fenching argwuffles!"
-=-

Marc Lachance wrote in message ...

>(...snipped a whole heck of a lot of stuff...)

>Bob's rantings about the embassies are just Bob trolling for outrage. I
>doubt even Bob would approve of offing 18 innocents for every American.
>caught in the blast.

<chuckling>
When you're right, Marc, you're right.  You were right on target above.

By now even I am ashamed of myself.
There I was masturbating to wargasm right in front of everybody.
Where's my shame?

I do hate Uncle Sam tho, but it's also true that I often get carried away
when I'm in rant mode.

>I can't stand Mohammed. He's so Greyfaced, he thinks all jokes are
>personal insults. How insecure do you have to be to feel you have to kill
>everyone who doesn't agree with you?

>-=-
>Marc Etienne Lachance
>"Fnord the fenching argwuffles!"
>-=-

Who's Mohammed tho?

Bob S. the chummy asshole who likes ranting 'n' raving so much he sometimes
carries himself away to total assininity

!**?#!#$ wrote in message ...
>Aren't we all a bunch of self-righteous prigs?

Isn't this a boring essay !**?#!#$ has posted.

>I wish it were a world where the worse offence against society was double
>parking, but it's not, nor will it be anytime soon. So we will all
>participate in organised violence. The choice is are you the killer or the
>killed. If you're the killer, in person or by proxy.

>Quakers,

Richard Nixon was a goddamn Quaker.  Duh.

>Tibetan monks

Pfooey on the Dalai Lama.  The goddamn Tibetan monks preyed on
peasants gullibility in order to dominate Tibetan peasants.

Dalai Lama seems nice to goddamn Western liberals because he's exotic.
In reality Tibetan monks were about as benificent as goddamn Roman
Catholic hierarchy.

If you see the Dalai Lama on the road, kill him.

>, and few others have demonstrated their willingness
>to be killed without retalition.

"Take your place on The Great Mandala..."


The rest of us haven't. Instead we create
>governments that promise to kill them before they kill us.

Or maybe secret govt. agents kill us if we don't conform to pop. mores.

>And to do so we
>induce fresh young bodies to kill and be killed on our behalf.

Fuck that shit.

I tried to warn the kids that they may end up disabled vets, damned to vet
hospitals, where they'll reek of nicotine & urine,
& have to fuck / suck each other (if their dick hasn't been blown / shot
off) to get ANY sexual release.

But none of you guys wanted to talk about disabled vets & their hellish
fate....

>Now if you're willing to say, "Kill me, imprison me, torture me, just
>don't kill in my name," then fine, harp away. Otherwise They aren't doing
>it, We are. Take some responsibilty for your part in the game.

More than enough !**?#!#$ a k a Joey Tissue condescending lecturing for me.

<snip>

J. Villagomez wrote in message <6qlha0$t2r$1...@nnrp3.snfc21.pbi.net>...
>Well if you look at USA like that. And FYI it's more foriegners that die
>then tycoon fat cat americans in those terrorist attacks.

Probably terrorist attacks should be better targeted.
Also, probably the US supports more terrorist attacks than any other nation
on earth.

>Well in that last
>one it was. And every country fucked up some time or another.

Fun fact: The US is the only nation to have dropped a nuke on civilians of
another nation.  & the US did it twice.

>This is just our century to fuck up,

'Our' fucking up was fated????

>then next one when I become president I will make
>USA have 0% crime rate, 100% genius rate and I'll take over the world.

>--
>GAMMAS (Gemini And Mathematic Militant Atheistic Scorpio) #1

I'm a Gemini & (a) Mathematic (baby).

Guy Marsh wrote in message ...
>And for an excellant read on the subject,
>read "Johnny Got His Gun".


Dalton Trumbo was a leftist who approved
keeping _Johnny Got His Gun_ out of print
during WWII.

Madog Velkor wrote in message <35cf184...@news.cc.ucf.edu>...
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 13:17:40 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> jibbered
>semi-coherently:

>>I'm not sorry when ANY US embassies are blown up.

>>Hope somebody blows up another one tomorrow!

>So do you think those were just crappy buildings over in Africa, or
>did the Terrorists have really good bombs?


So do you think that was just a crappy building in OK City or did
the Terrorists have a really good bomb?

Maybe the World Trade Center wasn't such a crappy building tho.
Or if the bomb had been better, maybe the whole World Trade Center
would have been toppled.

Tony G. wrote in message <35d1ecb...@news.fatnet.net>...

>I don't see how a movie could be
>more real than the "Green Berets" much less any John Wayne movie.
>Have you seen "the Conquerer"?  John Wayne as Gingus Kahn how could
>any movie be more real than this one?

John Wayne Bobbitt was John Wayne's namesake.
John Wayne Gacy was John Wayne's namesake.

John goddamn Wayne was a goddamn WWII draft
dodger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No shit!!!!!!

Bob S. the chummy asshole who nearly pukes anytime a lame-o right-winger
cites John Wayne as his hero

Marc Lachance wrote in message ...
>guy wrote:

>How could you say that? Now I suppose you're going to tell me that M*A*S*H
>wasn't a historically accurate picture of the Korean Front in WWII.

"WWII"????????????????
M*A*S*H was Korean War, Marc.  Don't you Europeans know yer US history?

Probably, M*A*S*H is my favorite movie of the 1970s, regardless of realism
or
lack thereof.

> I mean, M*A*S*H was one of the grittiest TV Series about war that I've
ever
>seen

The TV show was nicer than the movie.

>, and was almost as realistic as Sgt. Rock Comix.

Marvel's Sgt. Fury was even more idiotic than DC's Sgt. Rock.
I read 'em both.

Also Gunner, Sarge, & Pooch.

Didn't get into DC's Haunted Tank or Amerindian pilot
comic (Lt. Cloud?).

Or dinosaur war stories, tho they were probably cool.

Joe Kubert, who (originally) drew Sgt. Rock, also drew Tales of the Green
Beret, the comic strip.

Bob S. the chummy asshole who KNOWS 1960s comic books

>Steven Spielberg is
>just making up excuses for why he dodged the draft during the last war.

Any American young man who wasn't a total fool dodged the Vietnam War draft.
I dodged it.

I wrote Foreign Language Press in Peking & asked for (& received)
Mao's Red Book.

I wrote an Army recruiter & claimed that I wanted to kill Vietnamese
villagers & eat
burnt dead bodies & feel veins in my teeth.  (So, I plagerized Arlo
Guthrie.)

Etc.

Marc, it's the hypocritical draft dodgers of my generation I detest.  Those
Republican
etc. creeps who were for the Vietnam War but wanted poor kids to do the
fighting
& dying & getting maimed.

Elf Sternberg <e...@halcyon.com> wrote:

> 	I'm sorry, no matter what you may feel about the American
> government's "real world" policies towards the rest of Earth, there is
> absolutely no fucking justification for the mass-murder of innocents.
> You have a problem, you raise an army and you put warriors on the
> field and you fight it out with honor.  Bombs are the tools of cowards
> and fools, and there will be retribution.

   Fuck that shit, Elf.

   Bombs are the tools of those who lack the *power* to "fight it out with
honour". The "rules of war" you mention above are a crock of shit designed
to somehow "legitimate" the use of force by those countries with the
advantage in fielding mass armies - the prime example at present being
America.

   One notes that during the Gulf War, America deliberately bombed
civilian infrastructures, and is the enforcer of the current sanctions
with deadly results. The Americans *invented* the idea of strategic
bombardment, chose to drop two nuclear bombs on *cities* during WWII,
deliberately blew the shit out of South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia while
warring against *North Vietnam*, and was one half of a MAD pact to fuck up
the world environment if they got annoyed enough.

   It is correct to object to the killing of African civilians in striking
against American embassies. *That* is a barbaric act. But the blowing up
of the embassy in the Lebenon a while back, to take one example, was an
act of war - even if you object to the reasons of those fighting.

   America has civilian blood on its hands in Central America, South
America, the Middle East, Asia and Indonesia. There are many groups who
see striking against facilities of the government of America, such as
embassies, as a retaliation in an ongoing conflict. Argue that killing
African civilians in doing so is immoral, if you like, but don't give us
bullshit about it being immoral unless they march troops into the field
for technically superior forces to slaughter.

   If I were in your place, I'd be worried about the fact that you've made
so many enemies, in a time when the means for massive destruction via
nuclear or biological weapons is becoming more and more dispersed.

- Tony Q.
--
   "The American people, taking one with another, constitute the
most timorous, sniveling, poltroonish, ignominious mob of serfs and
goose-steppers ever gathered under one flag in Christendom since
the end of the Middle Ages." - H. L. Mencken.

Darryl L. Pierce wrote in message
<35cf3240...@news.rdu.bellsouth.net>...
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:27:10 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> wrote:

><BEGIN POLITICS>

>(snip alot of shite about American policies and practices)

>>Pfooey on Uncle Sam.

>I have one thing to say to you:

>FUCK YOU

Do you REALLY want to fuck me, Darryl?
Are you a QUEER or something>

>for thinking that it's okay to kill people, whatever your
>politics.

You're a goddamn liar Darryl if you say you don't think it's
okay to kill people, whichever people you prefer killed.

[snip]

> It was someone with your
>dipshit attitude towards the US that killed 186 people, including
>innocent children, in Oklahoma.

186 ain't shit.
How many children do you suppose Uncle Sam killed in Vietnam?
How many children do you suppose Uncle Sam killed at Nagasaki?
How many at Hiroshima?

Fair is fair.  If it's OK to kill foreign kids, it's OK to kill US kids.

>It's a dipshit attitude like yours
>towards other countries that propogates the Troubles in NI. It's
>dipshit people like you that think the it's laudable to kill
>civilians.

Maybe the goddamn British ought to just LEAVE NI & maybe
the killing will stop.  Maybe the Catholic majority of Ireland
will need to 'pacify' the Protestant minority a bit, but afterwards
there should be relative peace.

& by the way, dumb-shit, did you know that all the shit in Ireland
started 100s of years ago when goddamn Scotch Presbyterians
COLONIZED Ireland & Ireland's Catholic natives were forced off
their land.

& circa 150 years ago, the occupationist land-stealers allowed
a million Catholics, including children, to starve during the Potato
Famine.

>And, you'd best hope your friends in Arlington are never hurt, and
>that their families never have to suffer the loss that the families of
>the victims of terrorists and other cowards.

Uncle Sam is the #1 terrorist in the world.
Uncle Sam killing babies created bad karma.
For karma to be balanced, US babies will be killed.

The (bad) karmic cycle needs to be ended.  It won't end by
other countries being nice to the US.  Rather the US, being #1 &
#1 terrorist nation, needs to change its evil ways.

>There are far too many
>dipshits in this world with the potential to kill others needlessly.

I probably won't kill anybody, Darryl.
(Tho I did kill billions & billions of potential human beings back in my
teenage years.)

>Don't reply, I have nothing further to discuss with you on this
>subject.

Kiss my purple anal sphincter, Darryl.
Shitheads who spew their shit & then self-righteously
demand that shit not be spewed back at them really piss me off.
I have a policy to NEVER honor such demands.

Bob the chummy asshole whose trolling really pissed off Darryl

David Devejian wrote:

> In article <35cf8b14...@news.bit-net.com>, onb...@splegg-net.com
> spoke unto the masses saying...
> > On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:10:50 -0400, min...@ix.netcom.com (Mindflayer)
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >> Recently I was in Boston and I didn't pick up any negative attitude that
> > >> everyone thinks the American has. I was given excellent hope and everyone
> > >> was very polite. I felt like I was back in Toronto (the only place worth
> > >> living..but I'm biased).
> > >
> > >     <G> Visit New York City.
> >
>
> Piggybacking, but hey!
>
> Dont piss on NYC, you ##*%$*#&$%*#@!
>
> Seriously, most people in NYC are nice, its just the assholes who make
> the news.

Hmmm thats the same anywhere though ... I want to live in New York for a while..
and a few other places (L.A. is one..) All those big places where lots happens and
people die lots (Calcutta here we come). Might live in some small places too...
Hmmm *sigh* the world really is fucked up isn't it? =(


                 HoL
         -Friendly PsYCHoPaTH-

"V is for VIRTUE so i aint gonna hurt you.
 E is for EVEN if you want me too."
                      Nick Cave - LOVERMAN

> > Guy Marsh wrote in message ...
> > >And for an excellant read on the subject,
> > >read "Johnny Got His Gun".


Timothy Sutter:

> > Dalton Trumbo was a leftist who approved
> > keeping _Johnny Got His Gun_ out of print
> > during WWII.


Really?!  I knew it to be one
of the most frequently banned
books in history.  But I wasn't
aware that its author was one
of its censors.  Pity.
Do you know where I might be
able to verify this?


> he was also blacklisted and
> yet still wrote for hollywood
> under an assumed name.
>
> and , of course, did the screen play for ....Papillion.



Persevere.
Guy. #1158

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Darryl L. Pierce <mcpi...@usa.net> wrote:

> FUCK YOU for thinking that it's okay to kill people, whatever your
> politics. I feel sorry for theists, but I have no sympathy for people
> who applaud the murder of other people.

   So, do you support continuing sanctions against Iraq, Darryl  ?

- Tony Q.
--
   "The American people, taking one with another, constitute the
most timorous, sniveling, poltroonish, ignominious mob of serfs and
goose-steppers ever gathered under one flag in Christendom since
the end of the Middle Ages." - H. L. Mencken.

!**?#!#$ wrote in message ...
>> ) Shame about to 140+ dead and 4000 ish injured Kenyan and Tanzanian
>> ) Citizens. Still, I expect that you can't make an omlette without
>> ) breaking eggs, or heads.

>Bob thinks smashing baby skulls should be an Olympic sport.


You mean it isn't already an Olympic sport, !**?#!#$ ???!!!!

It's long been an official US sport, tho it's generally
(but not exclusively -- remember Ludlow)
played on foreign fields.

Pfooey on Uncle Sam & all his toadies.

Bob S. the chummy asshole who shamelessly masturbated publicly to
wargasm re bombing US embassies, & tho he's now ashamed, won't
back off re US being the #1 terrorist nation in the world

The leader and brains behind the bombings
http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/ouch.jpg








Guy Marsh wrote in message ...
>
>
>
>> >Tony G.
>> >
>> >> Even more than the "Green Berets"?  I don't see how a movie could be
>> >> more real than the "Green Berets" much less any John Wayne movie.
>> >> Have you seen "the Conquerer"?  John Wayne as Gingus Kahn how could
>> >> any movie be more real than this one?
>
>
>I wrote:
>
>> >The ever-so-militaristic Wayne's
>> >"Green Berets" was but a recruiting
>> >film that, in many circles, is rec-
>> >ognized as having helped to prolong
>> >American involvement in Vietnam.
>> >And, given the films' propagandist-
>> >ic nature, it was in fact very "st-
>> >erilized".
>
>
>Marc Lachance:
>
>> How could you say that? Now I suppose you're going to tell me that
M*A*S*H
>> wasn't a historically accurate picture of the Korean Front in WWII. I
>> mean, M*A*S*H was one of the grittiest TV Series about war that I've ever
>> seen, and was almost as realistic as Sgt. Rock Comix. Steven Spielberg is
>> just making up excuses for why he dodged the draft during the last war.
>
>
>"...the Korean Front in WWII."
>
>Marc, I would be delighted to
>discuss this with you.  But you
>first need to acquire a sense
>of history.
>
>
>
>Persevere.
>Guy. #1158
>
>       Socialist Labor Party of America (SLP)
>                  Member-at-large
>                 http://www.slp.org
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>
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>
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>                       Parties

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:26:40 -0700, gu...@ptw.com (Guy Marsh) let loose
with:



>Tony G.

>> Even more than the "Green Berets"?  I don't see how a movie could be
>> more real than the "Green Berets" much less any John Wayne movie.
>> Have you seen "the Conquerer"?  John Wayne as Gingus Kahn how could
>> any movie be more real than this one?

>The ever-so-militaristic Wayne's
>"Green Berets" was but a recruiting
>film that, in many circles, is rec-
>ognized as having helped to prolong
>American involvement in Vietnam.
>And, given the films' propagandist-
>ic nature, it was in fact very "st-
>erilized".

You mean a John Wayne film is less than realistic?

>> >Don't take your kids.


>And for an excellant read on the subject,
>read "Johnny Got His Gun".

Are you talking about the Dalton Trumbo book?

>Persevere.
>Guy. #1158

Bob S. wrote:

> Guy Marsh wrote in message ...
> >And for an excellant read on the subject,
> >read "Johnny Got His Gun".

> Dalton Trumbo was a leftist who approved
> keeping _Johnny Got His Gun_ out of print
> during WWII.

he was also blacklisted and
yet still wrote for hollywood
under an assumed name.

and , of course, did the screen play for ....Papillion.


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Mindflayer wrote in message ...

> Elf, your "warriors" are mostly scared-shitless young kids who signed
>up because they believed some stupid ad proclaiming that army will make
them
>"all they can be" -- dead meat in this particular case, I imagine.

At times Uncle Sam drafts soldiers.
& some veterans end up worse than dead -- permanently disabled,
living out hellish lives in veterans hospitals when the only sex available
for disabled, whose dick wasn't blown or shot off, is homosexual sex.

>Or,
>perhaps they simply had a cruel streak and thought it would be cool to wave
>a gun around and shoot someone ever once in a while.

Those probably make Rangers.

> There may be honor in combat,

The hell you say!!!!!

>but there is no honor in death --


Even less than zero in permanent disability, to the degree that one ends up
damned spend the rest of one's life in veterans hospital.

>certainly not in death of innocent, scared, somewhat cruel and selfish
young
>kids.

This sounds like another lecture.

>They are no different from the rest of the "innocents" except they
>have been taught how to pull the trigger.

The big difference is that Uncle Sam's hitmen do their hitting in foreign
countries where foreign innocents are slaughtered but innocents in the
hitmen's families are at no risk of slaughter back home.

But maybe that unfair US advantage is evaporating.  I hope so.
Uncle Sam ain't going to quit slaughtering innocents until he
fears that his actions put his own innocents at risk.

No justice, no peace.

[rest of lecture snipped]