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Petter Mårtensson wrote:
>
> Timothy Sutter wrote
> > Bob S. wrote:
> >
> > > Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

What color were the wafers?

> > > Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> > > such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> > > of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> > > etc.
> >
> > I bet you think some monkey walked
> > into a bowling alley and made sense.

It wasn't a pomegranate.

> Never underestimate the power of Bobo.
>
> --
> May Goddess put twinkles in your eyes.

Or Twinkies in your cupboard.  You can live on Scotch whisky and
Twinkies.  One man did.

--
Rev Chuck,
Alt.Atheism Mark of the IPU #203,
Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997.
Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.

people see what they want to see.

Bob S. wrote:

> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?
>
> Maybe because Roman Catholics are more open to
> the possibility of seeing religious apparitions.
>
> Maybe because religious apparitions are more a part
> of their consensual reality / reality tunnel than that of
> atheists, Protestants, etc.
>
> Maybe faking Mary apparitions  is a big hobby of RC
> pranksters like faking UFO photos is a big hobby of
> some prankster teenage boys & other pranksters like
> faking ghostly apparitions is a requirement of biz to some
> seance operators.
>
> Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> etc.
>
> That is, maybe / Maybe Mary apparitions are manifestations of
> the Collective Unconsciousness.
>
> Hail, Charles Fort!
>
> Let it all hang out!
>

Bob S. wrote:

> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

> Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> etc.

I bet you think some monkey walked
into a bowling alley and made sense.

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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
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Timothy Sutter wrote
> Bob S. wrote:
>
> > Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?
>
> > Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> > such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> > of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> > etc.
>
> I bet you think some monkey walked
> into a bowling alley and made sense.

Never underestimate the power of Bobo.


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Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> !**?#!#$ wrote:
>
> > > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
> > False, but we'll let it slide.
>
> no we won't.
>
> Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.
>
> oh yes he did.
>

He slaughtered them in the name of Paranoia.

--
Rev Chuck,
Alt.Atheism Mark of the IPU #203,
Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997.
Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.

Bob S. wrote:
>
> Capella wrote in message
>
>
> >Capella #5
> >150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed
> >prophecies, etc.  . . .  at:
> >http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide
>
> Atheists have committed more than a few
> attrocities of their own, you know.
>

Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".



Capella #5
150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed
prophecies, etc.  . . .  at:
http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

Capella wrote:

> Capella #5
> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

so this is a "guide to atheism."

ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
make even my giggle.
gee whiz, you shake the very foundations of christian thought.

please, you shatter my faith in atheists.

you need a nice hobby capella.

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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
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HowD wrote in message <6qitba$52f$1...@news-2.news.gte.net>...

Howdy do, HowD.

>people see what they want to see.


That's only one side of the coin, isn't it?

Other side of coin:
People don't see what they don't want to see.

Determining the nature of reality ain't as easy
as it might seem.


The nature of reality is ever concealing itself. -- Heraclitus

>Bob S. wrote:

>> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

>> Maybe because Roman Catholics are more open to
>> the possibility of seeing religious apparitions.

>> Maybe because religious apparitions are more a part
>> of their consensual reality / reality tunnel than that of
>> atheists, Protestants, etc.


Hail, Charles Fort.

Pfooey on fundamentalist materialists.

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Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> Petter Mårtensson wrote:
>
> > Timothy Sutter wrote
>
> > > Bob S. wrote:
>
> > > > Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?
>
> > > > Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> > > > such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> > > > of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> > > > etc.
>
> > > I bet you think some monkey walked
> > > into a bowling alley and made sense.
>
> > Never underestimate the power of Bobo.
>
> what about "Boob?"
>
> Jeremy? Hillary?
>
> ad hoc, ad loc and quid quo pro
> so little time, so much to know.

so little time, excuse me.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Capella wrote in message
<7285244F1B56A3E2.04EA170...@library-proxy.airnews.ne
t>...

>> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

>Why do millions of people see ghosts and UFOs, yet no one has ever
>taking a clear closeup picture of such things?

Maybe because:

The nature of reality is in the habit of concealing itself. -- Heraclitus

Or maybe because, floating tables & raising ghosts, is biz.
& re UFOs, maybe because teenage boys, etc., like to hoax.

But do you believe in meteorites, Capella?  Scientists used to say that
stones falling from the sky is an impossibility.

& do you believe in ball lightning?  I'm not sure whether scientists believe
in ball lightning or not.

& how about rains of frogs, etc.?

Hail Charles Fort!

>I have heard of apparations in clouds and oil stains that appear
>to have just been a random arrangement that looks somewhat like a
>human figure, so of course it has to be St. Mary.

I saw a pic of a ghost Civil War soldier.  Looking closer at the
pic, the soldier was 'really' vegetation, tree branches, etc.
Kinda like those famous pics of a vain old woman & a
greedy Jew.  Have you seen those pics, Capella?

Still, Capella, I wonder about the pic of the ghost Civil War
soldier I saw.  I didn't see Tim Sutter's Virgin in that pic.  Neither
did I see a vain old woman or a greedy Jew.  I saw a dying(?)
Civil War soldier, sitting propped against a tree.

>The funniest apparation I ever heard of was when Columbus was about
>to invade an indian population to convert them to
>Christianity (actually probably more for their gold) and he
>noticed that the indian forces were many times larger than his
>own, he reported that suddenly an apparition of Mary occurred,
>telling him not to fight.

Too bad that goddamn genocidist bastard didn't listen to
his apparition.  In his 2nd voyage, Columbus cut off
hands of native Americans who didn't bring him enough
gold.  It got so bad that native American parents killed their
own children to save 'em from more horrific treatment from
Columbus & his band of nazis.

(Hitler was a goddamn Roman Catholic too.)

>Capella #5
>150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed
>prophecies, etc.  . . .  at:
>http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

Atheists have committed more than a few
attrocities of their own, you know.

Bob S. the chummy asshole who confounds himself at times

"Capel" == "Capella" writes:

   >>>Snip<<<


The funniest apparation I ever heard of was when Columbus was about
to invade an indian population to convert them to
Christianity (actually probably more for their gold) and he
noticed that the indian forces were many times larger than his
own, he reported that suddenly an apparition of Mary occurred,
telling him not to fight.


   I still chuckle at the Jesus in the taco shell.  I wonder if Taco Bell knows about this?

--

Mark C.
#99

"..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions
 there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any..."
       [_The Age of Reason_, Thomas Paine, p. 104]

Rev Chuck wrote:

> Petter Mårtensson wrote:

> > Timothy Sutter wrote

> > > Bob S. wrote:

> > > > Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

> What color were the wafers?

> > > > Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> > > > such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> > > > of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> > > > etc.

> > > I bet you think some monkey walked
> > > into a bowling alley and made sense.

> It wasn't a pomegranate.

> > Never underestimate the power of Bobo.

> > May Goddess put twinkles in your eyes.

> Or Twinkies in your cupboard.  You can live on Scotch whisky and
> Twinkies.  One man did.

if your gonna binge on scotch, you, at least, need some cheeseburgers.

Twinkies just won't cut it.


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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Timothy Sutter wrote in message <35CCF...@geocities.com>...
>Bob S. wrote:

>> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

>> Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
>> such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
>> of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
>> etc.

>I bet you think some monkey walked
>into a bowling alley and made sense.


Timmy, you're a monkey.
You've probably walked in a bowling alley sometime or other in your life.
Did you make sense?

Hail, Charles Fort!

Pfooey on fundamentalist materialists.

The nature of reality is ever concealing itself.  -- Heraclitus

PS.  Are you a Roman Catholic monkey, Timmy?
A Hail-Mary-full-of-grace monkey?

Don't be sore that I put Virgin apparitions in the same
bag as Harvey apparitions / DT alcohol apparitions.

I joke.  I am serious.  I don't disbelieve in Virgin
apparitions, nor do I believe in Virgin apparitions.
I have never experienced a Virgin apparition
for myself.  ("for myself" is a redundancy.)

> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

Why do millions of people see ghosts and UFOs, yet no one has ever
taking a clear closeup picture of such things?

I have heard of apparations in clouds and oil stains that appear
to have just been a random arrangement that looks somewhat like a
human figure, so of course it has to be St. Mary.

The funniest apparation I ever heard of was when Columbus was about
to invade an indian population to convert them to
Christianity (actually probably more for their gold) and he
noticed that the indian forces were many times larger than his
own, he reported that suddenly an apparition of Mary occurred,
telling him not to fight.


Capella #5
150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed
prophecies, etc.  . . .  at:
http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 16:00:27 -0400, "Bob S." <b...@uranus.com> jibbered
semi-coherently:

>Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?
>
Aren't you arware of the Narcotic properties of Holy Water? Exactly
how do you think the Church got so rich? Illegaly Holy Water sales I
bet you!



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Petter Mårtensson wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote

> > Bob S. wrote:

> > > Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?

> > > Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
> > > such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
> > > of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
> > > etc.

> > I bet you think some monkey walked
> > into a bowling alley and made sense.

> Never underestimate the power of Bobo.

what about "Boob?"

Jeremy? Hillary?

ad hoc, ad loc and quid quo pro
some little time, so much to know.


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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

In article <MPG.1038dc7b...@news.panix.com>,
 wid...@panix.goaway.com, David J. Devejian says...
>
>In article <35CF1F...@geocities.com>, tsu...@geocities.com
>says...
>> maff91 wrote:
>>
>> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:
>>
>> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>>
>> > >False, but we'll let it slide.
>>
>> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.
>>
>> Stalin in Russia.
>>
>> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
>> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
>>
>> need more?
>>
>
>Timmy!  How are you again!
>
>Do you know what a 'citation' is?
>
>Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
>please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?

A Chevy?

--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3
--

In article <35CE26...@geocities.com>,
 tsu...@geocities.com, Timothy Sutter says...
>
>Capella wrote:
>
>> Capella #5
>> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide
>
>so this is a "guide to atheism."
>
>ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
>make even my giggle.
>gee whiz, you shake the very foundations of christian thought.
>
>please, you shatter my faith in atheists.

Well -thanks- Tim.  Way to ruin the ending for everyone else!

>
>you need a nice hobby capella.

I had a nice hobby capella once but I lost it.
Now I have a hobby acappella.

--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3
--

!**?#!#$ wrote:

> > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> False, but we'll let it slide.

no we won't.

Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.

oh yes he did.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> !**?#!#$ wrote:
>
> > > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
> > False, but we'll let it slide.
>
> no we won't.
>
> Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.
>
> oh yes he did.
>

Simply not true. Stalin's political murders and his allowing of
the starving of millions of people had nothing to do with Atheism.

If you could prove that his intent was to rid Russia of believers,
it might be a different story, but the atheists went down with the
believers side by side. This had nothing to do with religion, just
paranoid politics and diversion of resources for political purposes.


Capella #5
150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed
prophecies, etc.  . . .  at:
http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

In article <35CF1F...@geocities.com>, tsu...@geocities.com
says...
> maff91 wrote:
>
> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:
>
> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
> > >False, but we'll let it slide.
>
> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.
>
> Stalin in Russia.
>
> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
>
> need more?
>

Timmy!  How are you again!

Do you know what a 'citation' is?

Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?


--
regards,
David J. Devejian
widsith <at> panix <dot> com

> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

False, but we'll let it slide.

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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:26:47 -0400, Timothy Sutter
<tsu...@geocities.com> wrote:

>maff91 wrote:
>
>>(!**?#!#$) wrote:
>
>> >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
>> >False, but we'll let it slide.
>
>> Why? Support your assertions with citations.
>
>Stalin in Russia.
>
>Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
>an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
>
>need more?

Yep. Citations and reference to support your assertion that atheism
rather than Communism was responsible for those atrocities.


"The evils of Communism are the same as those that existed in
Christianity  during the Ages Of Faith.  The OGPU differs only
quantitatively from the  Inquisition.  Its cruelties are of the same
sort, and the damage that it does  to the intellectual and moral life
of Russians is of the same sort as that  which was done by the
Inquisitors wherever they prevailed.  The Communists  falsify history,
and the church did the same until the Renaissance. If  the Church is
not now as bad as the Soviet government, that is due to the
 influence of those who attacked the church; from the Council of Trent
until  the present day, whatever improvements it has effected have
been due to  its enemies."
       [Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?",
        1954; published in a Swedish newspaper during the
        height of Sen. Joe McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria]


"The Communist, like the Christian, believes that his doctrine is
 essential to salvation, and it is this belief which makes salvation
 possible for him.  It is the similarities between Christianity and
 Communism that make them incompatible with each other."
    [Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?",
     1954; published in a Swedish newspaper during the
     height of Sen. Joe McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria]


"The most dangerous features of Communism are reminiscent of the
 medieval Church.  They consist of fanatical acceptance of doctrines
 embodied in a sacred book, unwillingness to examine these doctrines
 critically, and savage persecution of those who reject them."
    [Bertrand Russell, "Can Religion Cure Our Troubles?",
     1954; published in a Swedish newspaper during the
     height of Sen. Joe McCarthy's anti-communist hysteria]

Rev Chuck wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote:

> > !**?#!#$ wrote:

> > > > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> > > False, but we'll let it slide.

> > no we won't.

> > Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.

> > oh yes he did.

> He slaughtered them in the name of Paranoia.


same thing, in his case.

he was carrying the banner of Marxist/Leninist Atheism.

and Russian Jews were a favorite target.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

> ) > > > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
> ) >
> ) > > False, but we'll let it slide.
> ) >
> ) > no we won't.
> ) >
> ) > Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.
> ) >
> ) > oh yes he did.
> ) >
> )
> ) He slaughtered them in the name of Paranoia.

You're just so clever. Murder for German tribal politics is to blamed on
their latest religion, but not murder for Slavic tribal politics.

So let me see if I understand the generalistion: Evil things done by a
person professing a religion are always the fault of that religion. Evil
things done by a person professing no religion are always the fault of
just that person.

Now I see now why no one has murderred in the name or cause of atheism: by
axiom. See, if you just made your premises clear at the start, it could
prevent much needless wrangling.

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Their empty years are ash and clay. | /SoHo/Studios/5079/index.html

"TS" == "Timothy Sutter" writes:

Capella wrote:

> Capella #5
> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

so this is a "guide to atheism."

ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
make even my giggle.

   Make even your *what* giggle?


gee whiz, you shake the very foundations of christian thought.


   I don't think that that's his intent.


please, you shatter my faith in atheists.


   Exactly *what* is your faith in atheists?


you need a nice hobby capella.


   He probably does.


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307
--

Mark C.
#99

"..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions
 there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any..."
       [_The Age of Reason_, Thomas Paine, p. 104]

In article <35CE25...@geocities.com>,
 tsu...@geocities.com, Timothy Sutter says...
>
>Bob S. wrote:
>
>> Timothy Sutter wrote...
>
>> >Bob S. wrote:
>
>> >> Why do Roman Catholics see apparitions?
>
>> >> Maybe Mary apparitions are a subset of phenomena
>> >> such as Holy Guardian Angel apparitions, apparitions
>> >> of alien guides from Sirius, Bunnyman / Harvey apparitions,
>> >> etc.
>
>> >I bet you think some monkey walked
>> >into a bowling alley and made sense.
>
>> Timmy, you're a monkey.
>> You've probably walked in a bowling alley sometime or other in your life.
>> Did you make sense?
>
>I'm not a monkey. similar genetics does not an identity make.
>I'm not a monkey anymore than I'm a dog or
>a cat or a tomato or an ear of corn.
>if yer so goddamned sure of yourself
>then why don't you go ahead and cross a
>human with an orangutan and get it over with?
>come on, Bob, we wanna see what it will be.
>get in your lab and splice a man and a monkey.
>prove it once and for all.
>
>what will you prove? absolutely nil.
>
>you'll have a freaky chromosome mixture
>that will either be a human or an animal.

Oh, I see they've already done...  wait...
 um... nevermind.

>the easy joke here is,
>"oh I see they've already done *that* experiment
>with yer mommy and daddy and now
>look at the mess we got."
>
>so what are ya Bob? a mankey?
>
>not me bub.

 A minkey?

>see Bob, you can descend to the level of a monkey,
>but you'll never raise monkeys up to
>the level of human beings.
>
>and if you wanna spew that yanyang bullshit
>about how sweet and civilized apes are
>and they never ...blah blah blah,
>eh, skip it,
>
>you just have some fantasy about being
>a submissive for a silverback gorilla.
>
>> Hail, Charles Fort!
>
>> Pfooey on fundamentalist materialists.
>
>> The nature of reality is ever concealing itself.  -- Heraclitus
>
>> PS.  Are you a Roman Catholic monkey, Timmy?
>> A Hail-Mary-full-of-grace monkey?
>
>as a matter of fact, no I am not.
>I don't even go to church.
>maybe I will someday, but I don't much care
>for this bullshit with atheists who went to
>seminary school being "pastors" in a christian church.
>
>
>> Don't be sore that I put Virgin apparitions in the same
>> bag as Harvey apparitions / DT alcohol apparitions.
>
>> I joke.  I am serious.  I don't disbelieve in Virgin
>> apparitions, nor do I believe in Virgin apparitions.
>> I have never experienced a Virgin apparition
>> for myself.  ("for myself" is a redundancy.)
>
>It's a non-issue with me.
>
>I have no reason to believe that
>Mary isn't buried in the ground.
>
>I know for sure that Jesus was
>resurrected because Jesus is alive in me.

Your great-grandparents' genes are alive in you, too.
Were -they- resurrected?

--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3
--

On 10 Aug 1998 03:45:59 GMT, smj...@my-dejanews.com (!**?#!#$) wrote:

>> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
>False, but we'll let it slide.

Why? Support your assertions with citations.

  >>>Snip<<<


So let me see if I understand the generalistion: Evil things done by a
person professing a religion are always the fault of that religion.

   No, evil deeds done by a person professing a religion on the orders
of such religion is the fault of that religion.




 Evil
things done by a person professing no religion are always the fault of
just that person.


   Or, evil deeds that are done by a person (religious or not) who don't
use a ideology as a motivating force, is the fault of just that one person.
--

Mark C.
#99

"..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions
 there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any..."
       [_The Age of Reason_, Thomas Paine, p. 104]

In article <7285244F1B56A3E2.04EA17040A90D892.
74E61820...@library-proxy.airnews.net>, cap...@airmail.net, Capella says...
>
>
>The funniest apparation I ever heard of was when Columbus was about
>to invade an indian population to convert them to
>Christianity (actually probably more for their gold) and he
>noticed that the indian forces were many times larger than his
>own, he reported that suddenly an apparition of Mary occurred,
>telling him not to fight.

I'd love to hear of a Mary Apparition that said, "Kisk ass, dude!"

--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3
--

maff91 wrote:

>(!**?#!#$) wrote:

> >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> >False, but we'll let it slide.

> Why? Support your assertions with citations.

Stalin in Russia.

Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.

need more?


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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

"Bob S." wanted to know:

>& do you believe in ball lightning?  I'm not sure whether scientists believe
>in ball lightning or not.

Ball Lightning is reproducable an a laboratory. It ain't easy to do, but
enough independant labs have done it to move it from "maybe" to "really"

>
>& how about rains of frogs, etc.?
>

Is also "reverse engineerable". Can be documented, and the explainable
without having to reengineer the current model of meteorology.

Blame guys like Pliny the Elder. He wrote about meteors, but he also wrote
about basilisks roaming the Germanic forests. All of his works took a
major credibility hit during the Age of Enlightenment. You still believe
the sun orbits the earth?

-=-
Marc Etienne Lachance
"Fnord the fenching argwuffles!"
-=-

In article <35CE7F...@geocities.com>,
 tsu...@geocities.com, Timothy Sutter says...
>
>!**?#!#$ wrote:
>
>> > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
>> False, but we'll let it slide.
>
>no we won't.
>
>Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.
>
>oh yes he did.

In a strictly moral sense, they weren't -his-.  He stole them.

--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3

--

"TS" == "Timothy Sutter" writes:

   >>>Snip Tim's whining, rants and insults<<<


I know for sure that Jesus was
resurrected because Jesus is alive in me.


   Oww!  That must hurt!  Is that like the *Alien*
movies?  Is he going to pop out of your chest pretty
soon?


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307
--

Mark C.
#99

"..but the Bible is such a book of lies and contradictions
 there is no knowing which part to believe or whether any..."
       [_The Age of Reason_, Thomas Paine, p. 104]

Capella wrote:
>
> Timothy Sutter wrote:
> >
> > Rick.C wrote:
> >
> > >  Timothy Sutter says...
> >
> > > >Capella wrote:
> >
> > > >> Capella #5
> > > >> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide
> >
> > > >so this is a "guide to atheism."
> >
> > > >ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
> > > >make even my giggle.
> > > >gee whiz, you shake the very foundations of christian thought.
> >
> > > >please, you shatter my faith in atheists.
> >
> > > Well -thanks- Tim.  Way to ruin the ending for everyone else!
> >
> > > >you need a nice hobby capella.
> >
> > > I had a nice hobby capella once but I lost it.
> > > Now I have a hobby acappella.
> >
> > if you don't like my punctuation, just fix it.
> >
> > I fix your quotation marks when I feel the need.
> >
> > but then yer joke wouldn't mean anything.
>
> Thanks again Tim, another plug at the top of this post.

I don't mind providing hits to your page,
but your errors and contradictions
bit is truly a work of art.

the crux of christianity lies
on the mode of death of Judas.

did he hang himself of fall in a ravine or both?

please, tell me it ain't so.

this disturbs the whole percentage.


and both geneologies are correct.

one is for Joseph, the husband of Mary,

and the other is for Joseph, the Father of Mary.

they had to put both geneologies in.

Husband/Father are nearly identical in the Greek.




> Capella #5
> 150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed prophecies, etc...
> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide


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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> Rick.C wrote:
>
> >  Timothy Sutter says...
>
> > >Capella wrote:
>
> > >> Capella #5
> > >> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide
>
> > >so this is a "guide to atheism."
>
> > >ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
> > >make even my giggle.
> > >gee whiz, you shake the very foundations of christian thought.
>
> > >please, you shatter my faith in atheists.
>
> > Well -thanks- Tim.  Way to ruin the ending for everyone else!
>
> > >you need a nice hobby capella.
>
> > I had a nice hobby capella once but I lost it.
> > Now I have a hobby acappella.
>
> if you don't like my punctuation, just fix it.
>
> I fix your quotation marks when I feel the need.
>
> but then yer joke wouldn't mean anything.

Thanks again Tim, another plug at the top of this post.

Capella #5
150 bible errors, contradictions, atrocities, failed prophecies, etc...
http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

>
> --
>        So What!                      Timothy Sutter
>        http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Mark C. wrote:

> "TS" == "Timothy Sutter" writes:

>    >>>Snip Tim's whining, rants and insults<<<

ay man, Bob loves that stuff, how dare you?

> I know for sure that Jesus was
> resurrected because Jesus is alive in me.

>    Oww!  That must hurt!  Is that like the *Alien*
> movies?  Is he going to pop out of your chest pretty
> soon?

It does hurt some.

I may just jump out of my own skin.


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Rick.C wrote:

>  Timothy Sutter says...

> >!**?#!#$ wrote:

> >> > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> >> False, but we'll let it slide.

> >no we won't.

> >Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.

> >oh yes he did.

> In a strictly moral sense, they weren't -his-.  He stole them.

that's even worse.

and all in the name of Atheism, too.

what a scoundrel.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

I AM INTENSELY JEALOUS.

I had hoped that by using two quote characters I would be the most confusing.

> ) ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
> ) make even my giggle.
> )
> )    Make even your *what* giggle?

I had never thought of quoting by mere differential indentation. I

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Their empty years are ash and clay. | /SoHo/Studios/5079/index.html

Rick.C wrote:

>  David J. Devejian says...

> >Timothy Sutter says...

> >> maff91 wrote:

> >> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:

> >> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> >> > >False, but we'll let it slide.

> >> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.

> >> Stalin in Russia.

> >> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
> >> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.

> >> need more?

> >Timmy!  How are you again!

> >Do you know what a 'citation' is?

> >Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
> >please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?

> A Chevy?

I've got a friend.

again.

I seem to attract this sort.

They just love my shiny Uniform and big Gold Badge.


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Rick.C wrote:

>  Timothy Sutter says...

> >Capella wrote:

> >> Capella #5
> >> http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide

> >so this is a "guide to atheism."

> >ha ha ha. most of your 150 problems with the bible
> >make even my giggle.
> >gee whiz, you shake the very foundations of christian thought.

> >please, you shatter my faith in atheists.

> Well -thanks- Tim.  Way to ruin the ending for everyone else!

> >you need a nice hobby capella.

> I had a nice hobby capella once but I lost it.
> Now I have a hobby acappella.

if you don't like my punctuation, just fix it.

I fix your quotation marks when I feel the need.

but then yer joke wouldn't mean anything.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

David J. Devejian wrote:
>
> In article <TpZz1.23$YV1....@news.siscom.net>,
> Ric...@horseradish.net says...
> > In article <MPG.103a1c3a...@news.panix.com>,
> >  wid...@panix.goaway.com, David J. Devejian says...
> > >
> > >In article <35CFFA...@geocities.com>, tsu...@geocities.com
> > >says...
> > >> Rick.C wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >  David J. Devejian says...
> > >>
> > >> > >Timothy Sutter says...
> > >>
> > >> > >> maff91 wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > >> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
> > >>
> > >> > >> > >False, but we'll let it slide.
> > >>
> > >> > >> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.
> > >>
> > >> > >> Stalin in Russia.
> > >>
> > >> > >> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
> > >> > >> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
> > >>
> > >> > >> need more?
> > >>
> > >> > >Timmy!  How are you again!
> > >>
> > >> > >Do you know what a 'citation' is?
> > >>
> > >> > >Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
> > >> > >please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?
> > >>
> > >> > A Chevy?
> > >>
> > >> I've got a friend.
> > >>
> > >> again.
> > >>
> > >> I seem to attract this sort.
> > >>
> > >> They just love my shiny Uniform and big Gold Badge.
> > >>
> > >
> > >Oh wow! That is a type of citation, but you didnt provide one of those
> > >either, nor is it what maff meant.  So, maff wins!!!!  But thank you
> > >for playing Tim, please try again soon.
> >
> > Nope!  Doesn't count.  That was a soliloquy.  An aside.
> > A private moment in the life of Timothy Sutter.  How -dare-
> > you barge in and claim victory!
> >
>
> The life of Timothy Sutter... <imagines>  <shudders>
>
> Hmmm, I was giving timmy the benefit of the doubt.  He referenced a
> uniform and gold badge, I thought he was talking about cops, who do
> give citations.
>
> Besides, I didnt barge in and claim victory.  I was always here, (I
> dont know where you are) and I gave victory to maff.  He wins, not me.
> So give him the fnords.  Or is the prize argwuffles now?
>
> But if Tim wants he can try again.  Tim, what is a citation?

when you grow to my stature, I'll consider your quibbling remarks.

till then go play with yourself.


> > If you were referring to the "Chevy" bit, that was mine and
> > you can't have it.  Nyaaah!
> >
> >
>
> I dont want it.  I wanna Harley!
>
> --
> regards,
> David J. Devejian
> widsith <at> panix <dot> com

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

In article <MPG.103a1c3a...@news.panix.com>,
 wid...@panix.goaway.com, David J. Devejian says...
>
>In article <35CFFA...@geocities.com>, tsu...@geocities.com
>says...
>> Rick.C wrote:
>>
>> >  David J. Devejian says...
>>
>> > >Timothy Sutter says...
>>
>> > >> maff91 wrote:
>>
>> > >> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:
>>
>> > >> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>>
>> > >> > >False, but we'll let it slide.
>>
>> > >> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.
>>
>> > >> Stalin in Russia.
>>
>> > >> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
>> > >> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
>>
>> > >> need more?
>>
>> > >Timmy!  How are you again!
>>
>> > >Do you know what a 'citation' is?
>>
>> > >Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
>> > >please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?
>>
>> > A Chevy?
>>
>> I've got a friend.
>>
>> again.
>>
>> I seem to attract this sort.
>>
>> They just love my shiny Uniform and big Gold Badge.
>>
>
>Oh wow! That is a type of citation, but you didnt provide one of those
>either, nor is it what maff meant.  So, maff wins!!!!  But thank you
>for playing Tim, please try again soon.

Nope!  Doesn't count.  That was a soliloquy.  An aside.
A private moment in the life of Timothy Sutter.  How -dare-
you barge in and claim victory!

If you were referring to the "Chevy" bit, that was mine and
you can't have it.  Nyaaah!


--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3
--

In article <35CFFA...@geocities.com>,
 tsu...@geocities.com, Timothy Sutter says...
>
>Rick.C wrote:
>
>>  David J. Devejian says...
>
>> >Timothy Sutter says...
>
>> >> maff91 wrote:
>
>> >> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:
>
>> >> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
>> >> > >False, but we'll let it slide.
>
>> >> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.
>
>> >> Stalin in Russia.
>
>> >> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
>> >> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
>
>> >> need more?
>
>> >Timmy!  How are you again!
>
>> >Do you know what a 'citation' is?
>
>> >Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
>> >please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?
>
>> A Chevy?
>
>I've got a friend.
>
>again.
>
>I seem to attract this sort.
>
>They just love my shiny Uniform and big Gold Badge.

Jesus Freaks get uniforms now?!?  Hmmmm...  Jesus ain't
really such a bad guy, you know.  I could like Jesus.
You think he'd give me a uniform, too?  What color are they?



--
Rick.C
mhm 15x3
--

In article <35D07D...@geocities.com>, tsu...@geocities.com
says...
> David J. Devejian wrote:
> >
<snip>
> >
> > Hmmm, I was giving timmy the benefit of the doubt.  He referenced a
> > uniform and gold badge, I thought he was talking about cops, who do
> > give citations.
> >
> > Besides, I didnt barge in and claim victory.  I was always here, (I
> > dont know where you are) and I gave victory to maff.  He wins, not me.
> > So give him the fnords.  Or is the prize argwuffles now?
> >
> > But if Tim wants he can try again.  Tim, what is a citation?
>
> when you grow to my stature, I'll consider your quibbling remarks.
>
> till then go play with yourself.
>

BZZZZZZ!!!!!   Wrong answer.  You lose.  Fnords to maff!


More seriously though, you did not provide citations to maff.  You
simply replied with more general comments.  Explain why Stalin's
actions are due to his atheism (if indeed he was an atheist).  He was
also a vodka drinker and had a moustache.  Why do you attribute his
atrocities to his atheism and not his vodka drinking?

--
regards,
David J. Devejian
widsith <at> panix <dot> com

PS, what is your stature?  There seems to be some debate.

Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> Capella wrote:
>
> > Timothy Sutter wrote:
>
> > > !**?#!#$ wrote:
>
> > > > > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
>
> > > > False, but we'll let it slide.
>
> > > no we won't.
>
> > > Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.
>
> > > oh yes he did.
>
> > Simply not true. Stalin's political murders and his allowing of
> > the starving of millions of people had nothing to do with Atheism.
>
> > If you could prove that his intent was to rid Russia of believers,
> > it might be a different story, but the atheists went down with the
> > believers side by side. This had nothing to do with religion, just
> > paranoid politics and diversion of resources for political purposes.
>
> nope. and martyrs for the Atheist cause were ok by Stalin.
>
> just so long as Communism was in and
>
> Russian Orthodox and Judaism were wiped out.
>
> But if you were a good christian, and also a
> brilliant mathemetician, you get to live in Siberia.
>
> or haven't you read Solzjenitsyn?
>
> yeah, he was alive while Stalin ran roughsghod over the Russians.

and then when they got him out of there finally and he came to america
and started spoutung his christian theology

the sorry assed Atheist americans turned their backs on him.

their golden boy anti russian symbol was a christian.

boo hoo.

now he's back in Russia.


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       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Rick.C wrote:

>  Timothy Sutter says...

> >Rick.C wrote:

> >>  David J. Devejian says...

> >> >Timothy Sutter says...

> >> >> maff91 wrote:

> >> >> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:

> >> >> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> >> >> > >False, but we'll let it slide.

> >> >> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.

> >> >> Stalin in Russia.

> >> >> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
> >> >> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.

> >> >> need more?

> >> >Timmy!  How are you again!

> >> >Do you know what a 'citation' is?

> >> >Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
> >> >please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?

> >> A Chevy?

> >I've got a friend.

> >again.

> >I seem to attract this sort.

> >They just love my shiny Uniform and big Gold Badge.

> Jesus Freaks get uniforms now?!?  Hmmmm...  Jesus ain't
> really such a bad guy, you know.  I could like Jesus.
> You think he'd give me a uniform, too?  What color are they?

we have a varied line of assorted colors.

very snappy. all gilt and flash.


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

maff91 wrote:
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:26:47 -0400, Timothy Sutter
> <tsu...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >maff91 wrote:
> >
> >>(!**?#!#$) wrote:
> >
> >> >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
> >
> >> >False, but we'll let it slide.
> >
> >> Why? Support your assertions with citations.
> >
> >Stalin in Russia.
> >
> >Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
> >an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
> >
> >need more?
>
> Yep. Citations and reference to support your assertion that atheism
> rather than Communism was responsible for those atrocities.


"Atheism was responsible for Stalin's Atrocities."

Albert Einstein to Enrico Fermi over coffee at Princeton.
  July 24, 1951

there, now it's official.

--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

Capella wrote:

> Timothy Sutter wrote:

> > !**?#!#$ wrote:

> > > > ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".

> > > False, but we'll let it slide.

> > no we won't.

> > Stalin murdered millions of his own people in the name of Atheism.

> > oh yes he did.


> Simply not true. Stalin's political murders and his allowing of
> the starving of millions of people had nothing to do with Atheism.

> If you could prove that his intent was to rid Russia of believers,
> it might be a different story, but the atheists went down with the
> believers side by side. This had nothing to do with religion, just
> paranoid politics and diversion of resources for political purposes.

nope. and martyrs for the Atheist cause were ok by Stalin.

just so long as Communism was in and

Russian Orthodox and Judaism were wiped out.

But if you were a good christian, and also a
brilliant mathemetician, you get to live in Siberia.

or haven't you read Solzjenitsyn?

yeah, he was alive while Stalin ran roughsghod over the Russians.


--
       So What!                      Timothy Sutter
       http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/2307

In article <TpZz1.23$YV1....@news.siscom.net>,
Ric...@horseradish.net says...
> In article <MPG.103a1c3a...@news.panix.com>,
>  wid...@panix.goaway.com, David J. Devejian says...
> >
> >In article <35CFFA...@geocities.com>, tsu...@geocities.com
> >says...
> >> Rick.C wrote:
> >>
> >> >  David J. Devejian says...
> >>
> >> > >Timothy Sutter says...
> >>
> >> > >> maff91 wrote:
> >>
> >> > >> >(!**?#!#$) wrote:
> >>
> >> > >> > >> ) Not in the name of or for any cause of "Atheism".
> >>
> >> > >> > >False, but we'll let it slide.
> >>
> >> > >> > Why? Support your assertions with citations.
> >>
> >> > >> Stalin in Russia.
> >>
> >> > >> Mao's "cultural revolution" was nothing more than
> >> > >> an attempt to wipe out religion in "his" playland.
> >>
> >> > >> need more?
> >>
> >> > >Timmy!  How are you again!
> >>
> >> > >Do you know what a 'citation' is?
> >>
> >> > >Hmmmm, judging by how you reponded to maff's post, I guess not.  But
> >> > >please prove me wrong.  What is a citation?
> >>
> >> > A Chevy?
> >>
> >> I've got a friend.
> >>
> >> again.
> >>
> >> I seem to attract this sort.
> >>
> >> They just love my shiny Uniform and big Gold Badge.
> >>
> >
> >Oh wow! That is a type of citation, but you didnt provide one of those
> >either, nor is it what maff meant.  So, maff wins!!!!  But thank you
> >for playing Tim, please try again soon.
>
> Nope!  Doesn't count.  That was a soliloquy.  An aside.
> A private moment in the life of Timothy Sutter.  How -dare-
> you barge in and claim victory!
>

The life of Timothy Sutter... <imagines>  <shudders>

Hmmm, I was giving timmy the benefit of the doubt.  He referenced a
uniform and gold badge, I thought he was talking about cops, who do
give citations.

Besides, I didnt barge in and claim victory.  I was always here, (I
dont know where you are) and I gave victory to maff.  He wins, not me.
So give him the fnords.  Or is the prize argwuffles now?

But if Tim wants he can try again.  Tim, what is a citation?


> If you were referring to the "Chevy" bit, that was mine and
> you can't have it.  Nyaaah!
>
>

I dont want it.  I wanna Harley!

--
regards,
David J. Devejian
widsith <at> panix <dot> com