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On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>
> I like Americans.
> They are so unlike Canadians.
> They do not take their policemen seriously.
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry was that he wasn't very good at it.  His minimalist style doesn't lend itself to deeper meaning/transformational magic that a good poem produces.

It's a sarcastic poem, with references from 100 years ago that some readers might have to look up.  We doubt that it took him 5 minutes to write the poem, straight on, no revisions.

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>
> I like Americans.
> They are so unlike Canadians.
> They do not take their policemen seriously.
> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html

I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.

Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

Great choice.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:18:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>
> >> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> >> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
> >>
> >> I like Americans.
> >> They are so unlike Canadians.
> >> They do not take their policemen seriously.
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> >
> > I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
> >
> > Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.
> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:
>
> I like Canadians.
> They are so unlike Americans.
> They go home at night.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html
>
> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
> that it's likely they were published together.
>
> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.
>
> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
> for Worst. Poem. Ever.
>
> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway


I'm pretty sure I was thinking about Hemingway's "Canada" poem, which I remember now we've discussed here in the distant past.

>
>
>
>
>
> > Great choice.

On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> I like Americans.
>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>
> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
>
> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:

I like Canadians.
They are so unlike Americans.
They go home at night.
[...]
https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html

Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
that it's likely they were published together.

I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.

The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
for Worst. Poem. Ever.

https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway





> Great choice.

On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> > I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
> >
> > I like Americans.
> > They are so unlike Canadians.
> > They do not take their policemen seriously.
> > [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry was that he wasn't very good

As if you were a competent judge of poetry.

at it. His minimalist style doesn't lend itself to deeper meaning/transformational magic that a good poem produces.
>
> It's a sarcastic poem, with references from 100 years ago that some readers might have to look up. We doubt that it took him 5 minutes to write the poem, straight on, no revisions.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote: 
> > 
> > > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4: 
> > > I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway 
> > > 
> > > I like Americans. 
> > > They are so unlike Canadians. 
> > > They do not take their policemen seriously. 
> > > [...] 
> > > 
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html 
> > We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry was that he wasn't very good
> As if you were a competent judge of poetry.
> at it. His minimalist style doesn't lend itself to deeper meaning/transformational magic that a good poem produces. 
> > 
> > It's a sarcastic poem, with references from 100 years ago that some readers might have to look up. We doubt that it took him 5 minutes to write the poem, straight on, no revisions.
>

Let's see:

I Like Canadians
By A Foreigner

I like Canadians.
They are so unlike Americans.
They go home at night.
Their cigarettes don't smell bad.
Their hats fit.
They really believe that they won the war.
They don't believe in Literature.
They think Art has been exaggerated.
But they are wonderful on ice skates.
A few of them are very rich.
But when they are rich they buy more horses
Than motor cars.
Chicago calls Toronto a puritan town.
But both boxing and horse-racing are illegal
In Chicago.
Nobody works on Sunday.
Nobody.
That doesn't make me mad.
There is only one Woodbine.
But were you ever at Blue Bonnets?
If you kill somebody with a motor car in Ontario
You are liable to go to jail.
So it isn't done.
There have been over 500 people killed by motor cars
In Chicago
So far this year.
It is hard to get rich in Canada.
But it is easy to make money.
There are too many tea rooms.
But, then, there are no cabarets.
If you tip a waiter a quarter
He says "Thank you."
Instead of calling the bouncer.
They let women stand up in the street cars.
Even if they are good-looking.
They are all in a hurry to get home to supper
And their radio sets.
They are a fine people.
I like them.

Like much of Hemingway's prose, this is written at a second grade level.  The humor is mildly amusing.

As a poem, it's an example of chopped prose.

As prose, it's decidedly unimpressive.

That said, Hemingway's poetry is a world above that of our group jackass.  He writes in complete sentences, and manages to express a coherent idea throughout the piece.  And, he has managed to infuse the piece with a dry, sarcastic sense of humor -- something that our Donkey could not even comprehend, much less attempt.

So, yes... I'd say that NancyGene is capable of judging poetry (unlike our resident Donkey, who has repeatedly demonstrated that he is not).

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>
>>> I like Americans.
>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>>
>> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
>>
>> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:

> I like Canadians.
> They are so unlike Americans.
> They go home at night.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html

> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
> that it's likely they were published together.

> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.

> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
> for Worst. Poem. Ever.

> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway

I'll have to check out "The Soul of Spain", I'm pretty sure I haven't read it.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 7:30:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> >
> >> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> >> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
> >>
> >> I like Americans.
> >> They are so unlike Canadians.
> >> They do not take their policemen seriously.
> >> [...]
> >
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> >
> > Let's see:
>
> > I Like Canadians
> > By A Foreigner
>
> > I like Canadians.
> > They are so unlike Americans.
> > They go home at night.
> > Their cigarettes don't smell bad.
> > Their hats fit.
> > They really believe that they won the war.
> > They don't believe in Literature.
> > They think Art has been exaggerated.
> > But they are wonderful on ice skates.
> > A few of them are very rich.
> > But when they are rich they buy more horses
> > Than motor cars.
> > Chicago calls Toronto a puritan town.
> > But both boxing and horse-racing are illegal
> > In Chicago.
> > Nobody works on Sunday.
> > Nobody.
> > That doesn't make me mad.
> > There is only one Woodbine.
> > But were you ever at Blue Bonnets?
> > If you kill somebody with a motor car in Ontario
> > You are liable to go to jail.
> > So it isn't done.
> > There have been over 500 people killed by motor cars
> > In Chicago
> > So far this year.
> > It is hard to get rich in Canada.
> > But it is easy to make money.
> > There are too many tea rooms.
> > But, then, there are no cabarets.
> > If you tip a waiter a quarter
> > He says "Thank you."
> > Instead of calling the bouncer.
> > They let women stand up in the street cars.
> > Even if they are good-looking.
> > They are all in a hurry to get home to supper
> > And their radio sets.
> > They are a fine people.
> > I like them.
> This reads very much like a parody of the then contemporary, and very famous poet Carl Sandburg.
>
> Much later, the Beat poets, and even later than that, poets such as Frank O'Hara and Charles Bukowski would very successfully write poetry in this style.
> > As a poem, it's an example of chopped prose.
> aka "Modern Poetry".
>
> Look it up.

Are you claiming that "Modern Poetry" is officially defined as "chopped prose"?


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 8:06:36 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 7:30:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> > 
> > > On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > >> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote: 
> > > 
> > >> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4: 
> > >> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway 
> > >> 
> > >> I like Americans. 
> > >> They are so unlike Canadians. 
> > >> They do not take their policemen seriously. 
> > >> [...] 
> > > 
> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html 
> > > 
> > > Let's see: 
> > 
> > > I Like Canadians 
> > > By A Foreigner 
> > 
> > > I like Canadians. 
> > > They are so unlike Americans. 
> > > They go home at night. 
> > > Their cigarettes don't smell bad. 
> > > Their hats fit. 
> > > They really believe that they won the war. 
> > > They don't believe in Literature. 
> > > They think Art has been exaggerated. 
> > > But they are wonderful on ice skates. 
> > > A few of them are very rich. 
> > > But when they are rich they buy more horses 
> > > Than motor cars. 
> > > Chicago calls Toronto a puritan town. 
> > > But both boxing and horse-racing are illegal 
> > > In Chicago. 
> > > Nobody works on Sunday. 
> > > Nobody. 
> > > That doesn't make me mad. 
> > > There is only one Woodbine. 
> > > But were you ever at Blue Bonnets? 
> > > If you kill somebody with a motor car in Ontario 
> > > You are liable to go to jail. 
> > > So it isn't done. 
> > > There have been over 500 people killed by motor cars 
> > > In Chicago 
> > > So far this year. 
> > > It is hard to get rich in Canada. 
> > > But it is easy to make money. 
> > > There are too many tea rooms. 
> > > But, then, there are no cabarets. 
> > > If you tip a waiter a quarter 
> > > He says "Thank you." 
> > > Instead of calling the bouncer. 
> > > They let women stand up in the street cars. 
> > > Even if they are good-looking. 
> > > They are all in a hurry to get home to supper 
> > > And their radio sets. 
> > > They are a fine people. 
> > > I like them. 
> > This reads very much like a parody of the then contemporary, and very famous poet Carl Sandburg. 
> > 
> > Much later, the Beat poets, and even later than that, poets such as Frank O'Hara and Charles Bukowski would very successfully write poetry in this style. 
> > > As a poem, it's an example of chopped prose. 
> > aka "Modern Poetry". 
> > 
> > Look it up.
> Are you claiming that "Modern Poetry" is officially defined as "chopped prose"? 

You speak to someone who defines things by HIS world view, so you're doomed in any intellectual debates.  I don't think modern poetry can be defined so easily and so simply-- other than _all_ the poetry styles (not just one) unique to the "modern" time period which also is a subjective definition.  Hemingway and Beats, I don't think are so modern in these modern times, if you ask this heathen.

> Michael Pendragon 
> "Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey." 
> -- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 9:21:38 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 8:06:36 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 7:30:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > >> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > >> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4: 
> > > >> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway 
> > > >> 
> > > >> I like Americans. 
> > > >> They are so unlike Canadians. 
> > > >> They do not take their policemen seriously. 
> > > >> [...] 
> > > > 
> > > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html 
> > > > 
> > > > Let's see: 
> > > 
> > > > I Like Canadians 
> > > > By A Foreigner 
> > > 
> > > > I like Canadians. 
> > > > They are so unlike Americans. 
> > > > They go home at night. 
> > > > Their cigarettes don't smell bad. 
> > > > Their hats fit. 
> > > > They really believe that they won the war. 
> > > > They don't believe in Literature. 
> > > > They think Art has been exaggerated. 
> > > > But they are wonderful on ice skates. 
> > > > A few of them are very rich. 
> > > > But when they are rich they buy more horses 
> > > > Than motor cars. 
> > > > Chicago calls Toronto a puritan town. 
> > > > But both boxing and horse-racing are illegal 
> > > > In Chicago. 
> > > > Nobody works on Sunday. 
> > > > Nobody. 
> > > > That doesn't make me mad. 
> > > > There is only one Woodbine. 
> > > > But were you ever at Blue Bonnets? 
> > > > If you kill somebody with a motor car in Ontario 
> > > > You are liable to go to jail. 
> > > > So it isn't done. 
> > > > There have been over 500 people killed by motor cars 
> > > > In Chicago 
> > > > So far this year. 
> > > > It is hard to get rich in Canada. 
> > > > But it is easy to make money. 
> > > > There are too many tea rooms. 
> > > > But, then, there are no cabarets. 
> > > > If you tip a waiter a quarter 
> > > > He says "Thank you." 
> > > > Instead of calling the bouncer. 
> > > > They let women stand up in the street cars. 
> > > > Even if they are good-looking. 
> > > > They are all in a hurry to get home to supper 
> > > > And their radio sets. 
> > > > They are a fine people. 
> > > > I like them. 
> > > This reads very much like a parody of the then contemporary, and very famous poet Carl Sandburg. 
> > > 
> > > Much later, the Beat poets, and even later than that, poets such as Frank O'Hara and Charles Bukowski would very successfully write poetry in this style. 
> > > > As a poem, it's an example of chopped prose. 
> > > aka "Modern Poetry". 
> > > 
> > > Look it up. 
> > Are you claiming that "Modern Poetry" is officially defined as "chopped prose"?
> You speak to someone who defines things by HIS world view, so you're doomed in any intellectual debates. I don't think modern poetry can be defined so easily and so simply-- other than _all_ the poetry styles (not just one) unique to the "modern" time period which also is a subjective definition. Hemingway and Beats, I don't think are so modern in these modern times, if you ask this heathen.
> 

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter.  Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:15:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon. 
> 
> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> 
> HTH and HAND.

What are you spewing, now, Donkey?

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:15:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.
>
> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
>
> HTH and HAND.


You're stuck with nowhere to go.

Most have written you off: wife, children, friends, bandmates.

You're alone.

Like I said, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon. 

After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 

Again, HTH and HAND.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:24:03 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:15:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
>
> > No surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon. 
> > 
> > After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> > 
> > HTH and HAND.
> You're stuck 

You wish, you obsessive, feeble-minded old fart.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:24:40 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Like I said, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.
> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
> Again, HTH and HAND. 

What are you spewing, now, Donkey?

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

Again, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.

After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.

And so it goes.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:37:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Again, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.
> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
> And so it goes.

I can set the record straight as long as you keep spewing, Donkey.

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> As most of us know, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.
> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
> Just to correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, again. 

\I can set the record straight as long as you keep spewing, Donkey.

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:40:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> 
> > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > 
> >> As most of us know, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon. 
> >> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> >> Just to correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, again. 
> 
> > I can set the record straight
> No reason to, I already did, you shit slinging little monkey. 

I can set the record straight as long as you keep spewing, Donkey.

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:45:18 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:40:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> > 
> > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> 
>> As most of us know, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon. 
> 
>> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> 
>> Just to correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, again. 
> 
> I can set the record straight 

Like I said, there's no reason to, Pendragon, I already did, you shit slinging little monkey.

HTH and HAND.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:55:27 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:45:18 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:40:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > 
> >> As most of us know, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon. 
> > 
> >> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> > 
> >> Just to correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, again. 
> > 
> > I can set the record straight
> Like I said, there's no reason to, Pendragon, I already did, you shit slinging little monkey. 
> 
> HTH and HAND. 
> 
> 🙂

What are you spewing, now, Donkey?

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

To set the record straight, it's not a  surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.

After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 

And so it goes.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> To set the record straight, it's not a surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
> And so it goes. 
> 
> 🙂

What are you spewing, now, Donkey?

Here's what I actually said:

"Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences.

I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits.

Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort.

Michael Pendragon
"Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery."
-- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976

Just setting the record straight.


Michael Pendragon
"Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:27:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > To set the record straight, it's not a surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey. 
> > After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> > And so it goes. 
> > 
> > 🙂
> What are you spewing, now, Donkey? 
> 
> Here's what I actually said:
> "Modern Poetry," in Donkeyese, is a catch-all term that serves to excuse our resident Donkey's inability to compose in complete sentences. 
> 
> I use "Modern Poetry" as a derogatory term for 20th & 21st century poetry that has little-to-no popular appeal, and appears to exist only as a means for university professors to receive their requisite publication credits. 
> 
> Officially, it refers (loosely) to poetry from the mid-1800s on, wherein imagery and emotion take precedence over rhyme and meter. Two of the Three Greater Gods of Poetry are often classified as "moderns" (Poe and Whitman), so I don't detest all "Modern Poetry" -- only such examples as Hemingway's that require little compositional skill and, apparently, effort. 
> 
> Michael Pendragon 
> "Will Donkey smelled pretty good for a Dockery." 
> -- Ahmos Zu-Bolton, Pegasus: The Carver High Literary Journal, May 1976
> Just setting the record straight. 
> 
> 
> Michael Pendragon
> "Will Dockery smelled pretty good for a donkey."

NAILED IT!1!

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 1:44:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> I like Americans.
>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> [...]
>
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>

> Let's see:

> I Like Canadians
> By A Foreigner

> I like Canadians.
> They are so unlike Americans.
> They go home at night.
> Their cigarettes don't smell bad.
> Their hats fit.
> They really believe that they won the war.
> They don't believe in Literature.
> They think Art has been exaggerated.
> But they are wonderful on ice skates.
> A few of them are very rich.
> But when they are rich they buy more horses
> Than motor cars.
> Chicago calls Toronto a puritan town.
> But both boxing and horse-racing are illegal
> In Chicago.
> Nobody works on Sunday.
> Nobody.
> That doesn't make me mad.
> There is only one Woodbine.
> But were you ever at Blue Bonnets?
> If you kill somebody with a motor car in Ontario
> You are liable to go to jail.
> So it isn't done.
> There have been over 500 people killed by motor cars
> In Chicago
> So far this year.
> It is hard to get rich in Canada.
> But it is easy to make money.
> There are too many tea rooms.
> But, then, there are no cabarets.
> If you tip a waiter a quarter
> He says "Thank you."
> Instead of calling the bouncer.
> They let women stand up in the street cars.
> Even if they are good-looking.
> They are all in a hurry to get home to supper
> And their radio sets.
> They are a fine people.
> I like them.

This reads very much like a parody of the then contemporary, and very famous poet Carl Sandburg.

Much later, the Beat poets, and even later than that, poets such as Frank O'Hara and Charles Bukowski would very successfully write poetry in this style.

> As a poem, it's an example of chopped prose.

aka "Modern Poetry".

Look it up.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:42:31 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:27:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
>
> > > To set the record straight, it's not a surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey. 
> > > After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. 
> > > And so it goes. 

<...>

> NAILED IT!1!

Good afternoon, Ash.

🙂

No surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.

After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.

HTH and HAND.

On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 17:10:17 UTC-4, vhug...@gmail.com wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> > I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>
> > I like Americans.
> > They are so unlike Canadians.
> > They do not take their policemen seriously.
> > [...]
>
> > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> Interesting... I did not know of E.H. poetry....


Damn it.  My first guess was wrong.
But evidently, bail was set high this time.

As most of us know, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.

After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.

Just to correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, again.

🙂

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:04:21 PM UTC, ME wrote:
....
> Damn it. My first guess was wrong.
> But evidently, bail was set high this time.

The "GoBailMeOut" app wasn't working on the holiday weekend, so he was the county's guest.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 11:10:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> As most of us know, it's no surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon.
>> After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
>> Just to correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight, again.

> I can set the record straight

No reason to, I already did, you shit slinging little monkey.

HTH and HAND.

🙂

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>
>>> I like Americans.
>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>>
>> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
>>
>> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:

> I like Canadians.
> They are so unlike Americans.
> They go home at night.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html

> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
> that it's likely they were published together.

> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.

> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
> for Worst. Poem. Ever.

> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway

It's obvious parody of "Modern poetry", don't you think?

George J. Dance wrote:
>
> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway

> I like Americans.
> They are so unlike Canadians.
> They do not take their policemen seriously.
> [...]

> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html

Interesting... I did not know of E.H. poetry....

On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 4:53:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:42:31 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:27:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > > To set the record straight, it's not a surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
> > > > After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
> > > > And so it goes.
> <...>
>
> > NAILED IT!1!
>
> Good afternoon, Ash.

I take offense at a odious, petty, spiteful pettifogging two bit nugatory comix poet, two faced illiberal lecherous Trump wannabe wishing me "good afternoon"!

You promised me poetry
and the only thing you offer this group is petty post editing to misrepresent (aka put words in people mouths, also commonly known as lying)
So this, sWilly's theme song from the "Best Lil Trollhouse in Usenet," is dedicated to the Trump of this dump-  Will Dockery!1!
and "fuck your afternoon!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKMVlHz9FQ

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 4:53:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:42:31 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 1:27:56 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 12:39:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> > > > To set the record straight, it's not a surprise you don't understand or appreciate "Modern poetry", Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
>> > > > After all, you're the putz with the fantasies of burning the poetry of such modern poets as Charles Bukowski, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg.
>> > > > And so it goes.
>> <...>
>>
>> > NAILED IT!1!
>>
>> Good afternoon, Ash.

> I take offense

No offense intended.

🙂

On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 5:25:16 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Quite interesting.... 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-Ernest-Hemingway/dp/0803272596 
> 
> **************his poetry deserves close attention, if only because it is so revealing. Through verse he expressed anger and disgust—at Dorothy Parker and Edmund Wilson, among others. He parodied the poems and sensibilities of Rudyard Kipling, Joyce Kilmer, Robert Graves, Robert Louis Stevenson, and Gertrude Stein. He recast parts of poems by the likes of Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot, giving them his own twist. And he invested these poems with the preoccupations of his novels: sex and desire, battle and aftermath, cats, gin, and bullfights. Nowhere is his delight in drubbing snobs and overrefined writers more apparent. 
> In this revised edition of the Complete Poems, the editor, Nicholas Gerogiannis, offers here an afterword assessing the influence of the collection, first published in 1979, and an updated bibliography. Readers will be particularly interested in the addition of "Critical Intelligence," a poem written soon after Hemingway's divorce from his first wife in 1927 *********************************

Good find.

Quite interesting....

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Poems-Ernest-Hemingway/dp/0803272596

**************his poetry deserves close attention, if only because it is so revealing. Through verse he expressed anger and disgust—at Dorothy Parker and Edmund Wilson, among others. He parodied the poems and sensibilities of Rudyard Kipling, Joyce Kilmer, Robert Graves, Robert Louis Stevenson, and Gertrude Stein. He recast parts of poems by the likes of Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot, giving them his own twist. And he invested these poems with the preoccupations of his novels: sex and desire, battle and aftermath, cats, gin, and bullfights. Nowhere is his delight in drubbing snobs and overrefined writers more apparent.
In this revised edition of the Complete Poems, the editor, Nicholas Gerogiannis, offers here an afterword assessing the influence of the collection, first published in 1979, and an updated bibliography. Readers will be particularly interested in the addition of "Critical Intelligence," a poem written soon after Hemingway's divorce from his first wife in 1927 *********************************

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> I like Americans.
>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html

> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.

> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

> Great choice.


When Hemingway turned his hand to verse
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/jun/04/ernesthemingway.poetry

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> I like Americans.
>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html

> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.

> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

> Great choice.

I am reminded most of Carl Sandburg, in actuality....

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>
>>> I like Americans.
>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html

>> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.

>> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

>> Great choice.

> I am reminded most of Carl Sandburg, in actuality....

I feel like Hemingway was actually doing a parody of Modern Poetry such as Carl Sandburg.

On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 4:50:18 PM UTC- NancyGene wrote:
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, George Dance wrote: 
> 
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4: 
> 
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway 
> 
>> I like Americans. 
>> They are so unlike Canadians. 
>> They do not take their policemen seriously. 
> 
>> [...] 
>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> 
> We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry was that he wasn't very good 

Like your wrongheaded dismissal of Charles Bukowski, this is another knee jerk hatchet job on a form of poetry you obviously don't understand, Nancy Gene. 

HTH and HAND.

(Just a simple autocorrect typo, easily corrected)

🙂

NancyGene wrote:

> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> I like Americans.
>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry was that he wasn't very good

Like your wrongheaded dismissal of Charles Bukowski, this is another know jerk hatchet job on a form of poetry you obviously don't understand, Nancy Gene.

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 8:18:59 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>
> >> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
> >> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
> >>
> >> I like Americans.
> >> They are so unlike Canadians.
> >> They do not take their policemen seriously.
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> >
> > I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
> >
> > Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.
> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:
>
> I like Canadians.
> They are so unlike Americans.
> They go home at night.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html
>
> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
> that it's likely they were published together.
>
> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.
>
> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
> for Worst. Poem. Ever.
>
> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway

I think I read this one a long while ago, going over there now to have a look.

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>
>>> I like Americans.
>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>>
>> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
>>
>> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:

> I like Canadians.
> They are so unlike Americans.
> They go home at night.
> [...]
> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html

> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
> that it's likely they were published together.

> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.

> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
> for Worst. Poem. Ever.

> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway


Again, Hemingway's poetry strikes me as possibly a parody of the then current "Modern" free verse.

Will Dockery wrote:

> George J. Dance wrote:

>> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>>
>>>> I like Americans.
>>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>>>
>>> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
>>>
>>> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

>> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
>> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:

>> I like Canadians.
>> They are so unlike Americans.
>> They go home at night.
>> [...]
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html

>> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
>> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
>> that it's likely they were published together.

>> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
>> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
>> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.

>> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
>> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
>> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
>> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
>> for Worst. Poem. Ever.

>> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway


> Again, Hemingway's poetry strikes me as possibly a parody of the then current "Modern" free verse.

You seem to be on to it there, Doc....

Victor H. wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:

>> George J. Dance wrote:

>>> On 2022-07-04 4:11 p.m., Will Dockery wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 12:32:51 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>>>
>>>>> I like Americans.
>>>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>>>>
>>>> I remember the other Hemingway poem I read, now.
>>>>
>>>> Very similar to this one, same conversational style, as you mentioned, comparable to the delivery of Frank O'Hara or Jerry Seinfeld.

>>> There are two possibilities I can think of. The most likely is "I Like
>>> Canadians", a companion piece Hemingway wrote. It starts off:

>>> I like Canadians.
>>> They are so unlike Americans.
>>> They go home at night.
>>> [...]
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2017/07/i-like-canadians-ernest-hemingway.html

>>> Both poems came out in Toronto's defunct /Star Weekly/ magazine, in the
>>> same year (which is all the date my source gives). They're so similar
>>> that it's likely they were published together.

>>> I agree with what you said about the poems' style; I can easily imagine
>>> them as monologues delivered by a Canadian and an American as part of a
>>> speakoff competition, perhaps a roast.

>>> The other possibility is "The Soul of Spain, with Mcalmon and Bird the
>>> Publishers." That's in the same style, but less unity in subject to hold
>>> it together; so it wanders all over the place, and sounds like the
>>> ramblings of a madman. It's on the wiki only because it's my candidate
>>> for Worst. Poem. Ever.

>>> https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/The_Soul_of_Spain_/_Ernest_Hemingway


>> Again, Hemingway's poetry strikes me as possibly a parody of the then current "Modern" free verse.

> You seem to be on to it there, Doc....

Perhaps.

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> George Dance wrote:
>
>> > >> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> > >> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>> > >>
>> > >> I like Americans.
>> > >> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> > >> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> > >> [...]
>> > >
>> > > https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>> > >
>> > > Let's see:
>> >
>> > > I Like Canadians
>> > > By A Foreigner
>> >
>> > > I like Canadians.
>> > > They are so unlike Americans.
>> > > They go home at night.
>> > > Their cigarettes don't smell bad.
>> > > Their hats fit.
>> > > They really believe that they won the war.
>> > > They don't believe in Literature.
>> > > They think Art has been exaggerated.
>> > > But they are wonderful on ice skates.
>> > > A few of them are very rich.
>> > > But when they are rich they buy more horses
>> > > Than motor cars.
>> > > Chicago calls Toronto a puritan town.
>> > > But both boxing and horse-racing are illegal
>> > > In Chicago.
>> > > Nobody works on Sunday.
>> > > Nobody.
>> > > That doesn't make me mad.
>> > > There is only one Woodbine.
>> > > But were you ever at Blue Bonnets?
>> > > If you kill somebody with a motor car in Ontario
>> > > You are liable to go to jail.
>> > > So it isn't done.
>> > > There have been over 500 people killed by motor cars
>> > > In Chicago
>> > > So far this year.
>> > > It is hard to get rich in Canada.
>> > > But it is easy to make money.
>> > > There are too many tea rooms.
>> > > But, then, there are no cabarets.
>> > > If you tip a waiter a quarter
>> > > He says "Thank you."
>> > > Instead of calling the bouncer.
>> > > They let women stand up in the street cars.
>> > > Even if they are good-looking.
>> > > They are all in a hurry to get home to supper
>> > > And their radio sets.
>> > > They are a fine people.
>> > > I like them.
>> > This reads very much like a parody of the then contemporary, and very famous poet Carl Sandburg.
>> >
>> > Much later, the Beat poets, and even later than that, poets such as Frank O'Hara and Charles Bukowski would very successfully write poetry in this style.
>> > > As a poem, it's an example of chopped prose.
>> > aka "Modern Poetry".
>

> I don't think modern poetry can be defined so easily and so simply-- other than _all_ the poetry styles (not just one) unique to the "modern" time period which also is a subjective definition.  Hemingway and Beats, I don't think are so modern in these modern times

No shit, Sherlock.

🙂

NancyGene wrote:

> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>
>> I like Americans.
>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>> [...]
>>
>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
> We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry

Poetry wasn't really E.H.'s thing, he was a hard edged writer of prose...

Zod wrote:

> NancyGene wrote:

>> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 4:32:51 PM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
>>> Penny's Poetry Blog's poem for July 4:
>>> I like Americans, by Ernest Hemingway
>>>
>>> I like Americans.
>>> They are so unlike Canadians.
>>> They do not take their policemen seriously.
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2022/07/i-like-americans-ernest-hemingway.html
>> We think that the reason Hemingway didn't write much poetry

> Poetry wasn't really E.H.'s thing, he was a hard edged writer of prose...

Good morning, you nailed it.