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On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:03:59 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 4:49:11 PM UTC-4, HC wrote: 
> > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 4:11:26 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 8:04:04 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:56:07 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:23:08 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 2:01:39 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 5:57:05 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:50:45 PM UTC-4, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:41:06 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 4:45:42 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:53:54 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:39:28 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:13:48 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 3:06:13 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 10:49:33 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 1:53:30 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 9:15:46 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 11:03:37 AM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-4, Cujo DeSockpuppet wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NancyGene <nancygene...@gmail.com> wrote in 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > news:82dbeb29-3613-46f3...@googlegroups.com: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 8:55:20 AM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 4:07:36 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 3:57:14 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:53:32 AM UTC-4, NancyGene 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 3:48:24 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:26:31 AM UTC-4, NancyGene 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 2:10:03 PM UTC, HC wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-4, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > NancyGene wr 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 10:06:15 AM UTC, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blackpo...@ 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aol.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Oh no, they're still right here. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > end message 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > All's quiet on the Usenet front so far. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hey! What type of Remarque do you call that? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > You can call us Maria but not Erich. We see that was 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > published 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1928. Have you read the book? Everyone knows the title, but who now 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has read the book? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Iā€™ve only ever read the Arthurian legend, since I canā 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > €™t read German. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > "All Quiet on the Western Front" was written originally in 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > German, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but evidently the translation into English is excellent. Arthur Wesley 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wheen must be the Arthur to which you refer? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Yes, of course, thank you. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > We don't generally like translations of books. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Good to know, thanks. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you read "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo?" That was a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > translation of a book written in Swedish, and we found it to be ugly. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We hated the book, but evidently the movie was good? We didn't see 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. Perhaps the magic of the writing was left in Sweden? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought his trilogy was quite good but the writing was wooden. Daniel 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig and Christopher Plummer were magniicent in the American version of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the movie but Rooney Mara was the star. There's Swedish versions of 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these with subtitles. Never watched those. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agree--the writing never brought the story alive, although there was a horrific description of rape and revenge. We didn't see any of the movies. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second trilogy had a better translator but it was also a different 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > author. Those are good in their own right. None of these were made into 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > films that I know about (in the US anyway). 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original author died before the book was published. We haven't read any of the spin-offs, as we didn't like the first book. Not our favorite themes. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's a third trilogy with a third author coming. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good morning. What do you mean by “wooden” writing? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see any of Ibish's poem translations for an example of wooden writing. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll just take you at your word, thanks. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, see (read) for yourself! If Marina Tsvetayeva was a popular/respected poet in Russia, we would never know why by reading Ibish's translations. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The original scriptures may have been wonderfully or badly composed, but we were blessed with lyrical scholar/writers who worked on the King James Bible. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates last words: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Crito, I owe a cock to Asclepius; will you remember to pay the debt?" 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://socrates.clarke.edu/aplg0190.htm 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Crito, we ought to offer a cock to Asclepius. See to it, and don't forget.", 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.is.wayne.edu/mnissani/2030/phaedo.htm 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They don't say quite the same thing, do they?hen it would say something even more different. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, they don't, and it should probably have been translated as "hen." Those male translators! 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But what does it mean? 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Animal sacrifice. Socrates means (or, according to what Plato said) that his accusers had cured him of the disease of life. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > However, if you are Jordy's Uncle, translations may vary. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, excuse me. I’m familiar with the plot, and I’m not Jordy’s Uncle, but translations 
> > > > > > > > > > > obviously do vary. I’m curious as to why. What do you think the differing translations mean? 
> > > > > > > > > > People not familiar with colloquialisms in another language or an ancient language, looking on a website for a translator, and synonyms. 
> > > > > > > > > Who had the better sense of humor, Plato or Socrates? 
> > > > > > > > Socrates-- he had his buddies come over for his execution... 
> > > > > > > The question should be "who had the better translator?" 
> > > > > > How does humor translate? 
> > > > > Only as well as the translator. 
> > > > Duh. So, is humor best translated by someone who understands it in their native language? 
> > > We are not experts in humor, translation, natives or languages, but if the translator doesn't understand what is being said in the source material, how can he accurately convey the thoughts into another language? 
> > Exactly. So, there are several scholarly translations of Plato’s account of Socrates. 
> > How does one decide which most accurately conveys the thoughts of either?
You decide that you don't care.  Also, only read things that were originally written in English.  

> Right there- there's your problem-- you're relying on dry stuffy scholars for humor!
We prefer Wet Ones.