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Will Dockery wrote:

> Victor H. wrote:

>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Response from George Dance attempting to clear up Pendragon's confusion:

>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ArTmAUO-RQw/m/PFMio5mICQAJ

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>>>> George J. Dance wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-05 11:03 a.m., Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>>> Were you asleep in the 1990s-2000s, Pendragon?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Love it or hate it, the hip-hop and rap influence on the current poetry scene is real.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Look it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were discussing the change from traditional to modern poetry, Donkey, and the subsequent redefinition of poetry (abandonment of rhymed-metered verse).

>>>> No, we'd moved on from that and were talking about the rediscovery of
>>>> rhyme (beginning in the 1980s).

>>>> <q>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I learned to begin to embrace rhyme, meter and form, et cetera, in these
>>>>>> later years.

>>>>> I won't claim any credit, since you were using rhymes before I got on
>>>>> the group. But I do think that being on aapc was probably a big
>>>>> influence on your doing that.

>>>> I think perhaps the [advent] of HIP HOP spoken word poetry helped bring
>>>> on the changes as well.....
>>>> </q>

>>>> Will, of course, was talking about himself and his own discovery of
>>>> rhyme. Zod was pointing out that the former didn't happen in a vacuum;
>>>> Will's pesonal evolution was happening in, and reflective of, a general
>>>> popular trend in poetry post-1980.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Hip-hop and rap did not appear until long after the change had taken place.
>>>>> 2) Hip-hop and rap rely heavily on rhyme and meter, and would represent a popular movement to restore traditional poetry.

>>>> Exactly what Zod was saying. The hip-hop movement didn't occur in a
>>>> vacuum, though; there were other factors behind the rediscovery of
>>>> rhyme. The most important, academically, was the rise of New Formalism,
>>>> which was a movement of poetics as much as poetry.

>>>> But the biggest influence, I'd say, was as always the internet. Suddenly
>>>> (over 25 or so years, or just the blink of an eye in terms of the
>>>> tradition), public domain poetry went from a few dusty books in
>>>> second-hand shelves, that hardly anyone even noticed much less bought,
>>>> to being seen and read by millions.

>>>>> You and your Stink are obviously unaware of both the history of modern poetry and of the history of poetry in general.
>>>>>

>>>> No, that looks like a case of misunderstanding.

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>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/ArTmAUO-RQw/m/PFMio5mICQAJ


>>> Again, I thank you for setting the record straight on this here matter.....

> Good evening my friend, tell Mike I said hello.

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