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On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 8:41:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 1:13:35 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:47:41 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 11:27:31 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 8:57:55 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 5:42:55 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > On Friday, August 5, 2022 at 8:01:50 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 11:49:39 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 10:11:19 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:35:42 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 11:30:08 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 12:26:07 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 6:30:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > On Tuesday, August 2, 2022 at 10:34:44 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 11:23:47 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> Good choice, Jordy. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > >> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And "The History of Modern 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where Steven Watson seems to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > have gotten most of his information) about the movement that took off around 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the form can be traced back 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of Revolt" aka "Free Versers". 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most famous poets of this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute Rhythm/, that is [...] 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being expressed...." 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for the new poets, the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" and vers librists, because 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > they championed the rise of free verse, which replaced fixed stanzas, meter 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called it. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In addition, there were other distinctive factions during 1910-1917 and beyond... 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > > The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel Lindsay, Harry Kemp and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists all fit under the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of Revolt, the Free-Versers. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Poets loosely associated with these groups included: 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Richard Aldington 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Amy Lowell 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Vacel Lindsay 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Harry Kemp 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Donald Evans 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Allen Norton 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Louise Norton 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Hilda Doolittle 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Mina Loy 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > William Carlos Williams 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Alfred Kreymborg 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Ezra Pound 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 Sinclair Lewis wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay.." 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > And so it goes... so it shall ever be. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > > Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten........ 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > Ping: Jordy: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > I'm reading of another from that great generation of poets, Octavio Paz: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/ 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio Paz, “Masks of Dawn” 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> > "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once—a man for far too many seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country and countrymen.. Among other things..." 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> Hello Jordy, agreed. 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > thank you, same to you 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > bonjour, Will 
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> > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello again my friend, great to see you here. 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Shalom WIll 
> > > > > > > > > > > Good evening again, Jordy. 
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> > > > > > > > > > hola Will 
> > > > > > > > > Great to see you again, my friend, I hope you are having a great morning. 
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> > > > > > > > thank you, same to you 
> > > > > > > Good morning again, Jordy. 
> > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > bonjour, Will 
> > > > > Great to see you again, my friend. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Shalom Will 
> > > Again, great to see a friendly face here on Usenet, Jordy. 
> > > 
> > 
> > hola Will
> Good morning, my friend. 
> 
> 🙂
     bonjour, Will