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Article #829350Re: Charles Bukowski poem reviewed
From: HC
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:07
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2022 13:07
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On Saturday, July 30, 2022 at 4:01:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > On Monday, July 25, 2022 at 6:05:18 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote: > > > > > On 2022-07-24 8:26 a.m., HC wrote: > > >> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 7:37:26 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: > > >>> Another one from Bukowski, "Bluebird": > > >>> > > >>> https://youtu.be/lyMS4qJ8NXU > > >> > > >> Blech. > > > > > > > > > Wow! It's a good thing I read "Bluebird" for myself. I might've formed > > > the wrong opinion of it. > > For continuity, the George Dance review of "Bluebird": > > > > George J. Dance wrote: > > > > > > > On 2022-07-21 7:00 p.m., NancyGene wrote: > > > >> On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:51:22 PM UTC, blackpo...@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >> https://youtu.be/lyMS4qJ8NXU > > > > > >> It's really just a paragraph or two being read. > > > > > > No, it's not 'just" a prose paragraph. Just from Bukowski's reading, you > > > can tell he's reading a poem: you can hear the line breaks. > > > > > >> That said, we don't like the last line ("But I don't weep, do you?"). > > > > > >> It reminds us of a former first lady's coat, which said "I don't really > > > care, do you?" although the Bukowski quote predates that. > > > > > > I don't know, but I'd bet it was her husband who said that. That's > > > always a problem in a poem (when a line or phrase unintentionally echoes > > > something more familiar, resulting in a mixed image), but it's probably > > > one that will go away: the Nixons have been consigned to the dustbin of > > > history, where they belong. > > > > > >> Having the line end with "do you?" is a totally obvious choice and hurts the poem. > > > > > > It may detract from the poem for some; it turns it from a purely > > > introspective piece into a didactic or 'message' poem. But there's > > > nothing wrong with didacticism per se. And I admire Bukowski for going there. > > > > > > I think "Bluebird" was written as a spoken piece (from all that > > > repetition); that Bukowski was considering his audience, whom he was > > > writing for; and that his audience -- tough guys, hard workers and hard > > > drinkers, rebels without a cause -- are the men most likely to have > > > their own bluebird problem, > Like I said, Charles Bukowski was a poet of the people, similarly to Carl Sandburg before him. > > and (for the same reason) most likely to > > > suppress that knowledge. He cannot count on that sort of man (he knows, > > > since he's been one himself) to just suddenly think, "Gee, he's not only > > > talking about himself -- he's talking about a general truth about man, > > > which might be true of me as well." Especially in a spoken reading, > > > where he and his audience will have passed on to another poem a few > > > moments later. For the poem to be most effective, he has to give his > > > audience that thought explicitly. > > > > Like I wrote earlier, good to see Charles Bukowski finally got a fair shake here. > ... Shouldnโt that read โsimilar toโ, rather than โsimilarly toโ?
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