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On 2022-05-18 8:25 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 4:50:29 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-05-18 2:46 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 6:31:57 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 2:02:25 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>>>> I have heard of her but she's still obscure to the general public.
>>>>>
>>>>> In New York City or anywhere.
>>>> As I'd recently explained to you about John Donne: When a line from someone's poem forms the title of a popular novel, you can be sure that the poet (and his/her work) is well known.
>>>>
>>>> The title of J. K. Rowling's novel The Cuckoo's Calling (2013) follows a line in Rossetti's poem A Dirge. (Wikipedia)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Pendragon
>>>> "It was done before me and after me, I'm simply adding my version."
>>>> -- Will "The Amazing Criswell" Dockery
>>>
>>> "Who has seen the wind?" has been used as the title for a song and a book. It is Donkey's lack of education speaking, not the "obscurity" of the poet.
>> "Who Has Seen the Wind?" was a film of Canadian W.O. Mitchell's novel.
>> Just like "For Whom the Bell Tolls" was a movie of Hemingway's novel.
>>
>> Which is the point: When I hear those titles, I think of Mitchell and
>> Hemingway, *not* of Rossetti and Donne. And my bias is toward poetry
>> over novels.
>
> I'm sorry to say this, George, but my opinion of you has just been taken down several notches.
>

LOLZ! You've just spent a week telling the group and myself that I'm
mentally ill. And now your opinion has just gone down from that! I
shudder to think where it will end.

> Do you associate "The Sound and the Fury" primarily with Faulkner?  "East of Eden," "Of Mice and Men" and "The Grapes of Wrath" primarily with Steinbeck?  "Remembrance of Things Past" with Proust?
> "Tender Is the Night," with Fitzgerald?  "Doors of Perception," "Heaven and Hell," and "Brave New World" with Huxley?
>

Yes, I associate all of those titles with the author of the book,
immediately. OTOH, I immediately caught only 2 references to poems, by
Burns and Shakespeare (plus 2 to plays, both by Shakespeare, and one to
the Bible). That's all I could get from unprodded memory. As I just
reminded NG, when memory fails, there's always Wikipedia; but it's too
much like cheating to use it here when this is so clearly a memory test.

> When you fail to pick up on literary references in the title of a book, one wonders if you understand the book at all.

I don't think even the latest publishers of translators of Proust's
series understood the reference, since they've dropped that
Shakespeare's line as the title.