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On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 5:31:14 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-05-05 11:03 a.m., Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 10:48:57 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> Were you asleep in the 1990s-2000s, Pendragon?
> >>
> >> Love it or hate it, the hip-hop and rap influence on the current poetry scene is real.
> >>
> >> Look it up.
> >
> > We were discussing the change from traditional to modern poetry, Donkey, and the subsequent redefinition of poetry (abandonment of rhymed-metered verse).
> No, we'd moved on from that and were talking about the rediscovery of
> rhyme (beginning in the 1980s).
>
> <q>
> >>
> >> I learned to begin to embrace rhyme, meter and form, et cetera, in these
> >> later years.
>
> > I won't claim any credit, since you were using rhymes before I got on
> > the group. But I do think that being on aapc was probably a big
> > influence on your doing that.
> I think perhaps the [advent] of HIP HOP spoken word poetry helped bring
> on the changes as well.....
> </q>
>
> Will, of course, was talking about himself and his own discovery of
> rhyme. Zod was pointing out that the former didn't happen in a vacuum;
> Will's pesonal evolution was happening in, and reflective of, a general
> popular trend in poetry post-1980.
> >
> > 1) Hip-hop and rap did not appear until long after the change had taken place.
> > 2) Hip-hop and rap rely heavily on rhyme and meter, and would represent a popular movement to restore traditional poetry.
> Exactly what Zod was saying. The hip-hop movement didn't occur in a
> vacuum, though; there were other factors behind the rediscovery of
> rhyme. The most important, academically, was the rise of New Formalism,
> which was a movement of poetics as much as poetry.
>
> But the biggest influence, I'd say, was as always the internet. Suddenly
> (over 25 or so years, or just the blink of an eye in terms of the
> tradition), public domain poetry went from a few dusty books in
> second-hand shelves, that hardly anyone even noticed much less bought,
> to being seen and read by millions.
> > You and your Stink are obviously unaware of both the history of modern poetry and of the history of poetry in general.
> >
> No, that looks like a case of misunderstanding.

Obviously a misunderstanding, as I've done intense studies of poetry history (the eras and poets who interest me) for almost fifty years now.