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Re: PPB: Dandelions / George Sulzbach

#732492
From: Michael Pendrago
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 18:04
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On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 7:24:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 5:19:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 4:37:07 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote: 
> > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 4:24:43 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 1:08:19 PM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote: 
> > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 12:32:13 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:45:07 AM UTC-4, Hieronymous Corey wrote: 
> > > > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 11:39:30 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 3:39:42 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 3:22:21 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 3:15:54 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 3:09:10 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, April 7, 2021 at 8:38:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> The quote demonstrates your fascism. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bring me the definition of fascism. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, here you go, Ash: 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Fascism (/ˈfΓ¦ΚƒΙͺzΙ™m/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy ... fascism often manifests a belief in racial "purity" or a "master race", usually synthesized with some variant of racism or bigotry of a demonized other; the idea of "purity" has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilizations, genocides, mass killings or 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > forced deportations against a perceived other..." 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nuking the Middle East has nothing to do with 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is something the original fascists might have endorsed,as in: 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "...the idea of "purity" has motivated fascist regimes to commit massacres, forced sterilizations, genocides, mass killings." 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > You're the proud fascist here, Pendragon. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Fascism isn't necessarily about racial "purity," Will. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > It's a form of government wherein the good of the State takes precedence over the individual: 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > "One of the most common and strongest criticisms of fascism is that it is a tyranny.[269] Fascism is deliberately and entirely non-democratic and anti-democratic..." 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Fascist_aesthetics 
> > > > > > > > That's right, Will. Fascism is not equal to democracy. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Did you really need Wikipedia to tell you this? 
> > > > > > > Usenet is fundamentally democratic. Every fascist and/or idiot has their say. 
> > > > > > Which is why Usenet groups inevitable devolve into battlegrounds and habitats for trolls. Not because it is a democracy, but because too much leeway is given to the idiots. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If a Usenet group is to work, there have to be rules within that group. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And for rules to have any meaning, there has to be some means of enforcing them. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Since most of us prefer posting in a "safe" environment, having productive, intelligent, and friendly discussions with our peers, etc., the adoption of a set of rules can be seen as both a necessity and as a benefit to the group as a whole. This is how a democracy should work. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The rules should be malleable and subject to change as the membership changes, and or as the majority opinion sees fit. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Democracy without enforced rules results in anarchy and chaos. 
> > > > > You can’t enforce rules here. You can make guidelines. 
> > > > True. 
> > > > > On the one hand, you can hope people think your guidelines 
> > > > > make enough sense to want to follow them to everyone’s benefit. 
> > > > In which case, the guidelines are enforced by the members. 
> > > > > On the other hand, you can defecate. See which hand fills first. 
> > > > That's a defeatist way of looking at things, Corey. 
> > > > 
> > > > If enough members were to join -- and to adopt the guidelines -- those who refuse to comply would quickly find themselves having been relegated to the role of fruit flies. 
> > > Bzzzzzzzz 
> > Oh, Corey, you've always been a fruit fly.
> Back to gay laming again, Pendragon? 
> 
> "People who associate with lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people may be called fruit flies[66] (along with fruit bats) regardless of their sex. Fruit fly can also refer to a gay man." 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_(slang)#Fruit_fly

No, Will.  A fruit fly is just a tiny, almost insignificant insect.  I could have called him a gnat, but that wouldn't have corresponded to my sentence.

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